I've read more than once that Toronto women are some of the hardest to crack. Be that as it may, I'll be there between June 29 and July 10th, and I would like to go out a bit either to a club or something where the ladies gather.
I don't know how to say the following without sounding like an old fart desperately trying to hang on to his youth, LOL, but even though I'm in my early 40's, I act anything but.
I guess that depends on the individual but the 40's guys that I know are all fat, lethargic slugs who have given up and would rather sit at home watching Survivor, and would be embarrassed to hit on women below 35. Myself, I refuse to even consider anything over 35 unless she is mighty fine, and even then, I find myself hitting on the early-20's girls a lot more often than a guy my age should.
Also, nearly all of my friends are between 27-37 because they are usually the ones still into going out and having fun. Bottom line is that I am a 28-yr-old dude stuck in a 40-something body.
So, if anyone is still reading this and would like to hang out on a Friday or Saturday between those dates, let me know.
I really don't care if you're 24 or 45, but I want to go somewhere there's life. I don't want the destination to be a smoke-filled jazz lounge with 50-yr-old grandmothers.
Sorry for the long explanation but I wanted to try to explain where I'm coming from.
I don't really know where the good places in Toronto are anymore (I'm from there but have lived abroad for 15 years) but I'm thinking along the lines of a club where the clientele is around 24-32 or so. (It's getting harder for me to score with girls much younger - although it doesn't stop me from trying! - I just don't want to come off too 'creepy' looking for being the old guy hitting on the 20-yr-olds, ya know?)
I normally go to dance clubs here so I'm good with that. Or maybe something more subdued would be fine as long as there is a nice selection of women to choose from. I'm open to other ideas as well.
As for my PU level, well, honestly, I haven't really gamed all that much for a few years. I made the mistake of getting married and was completely out of it for about 5 or 6 years. So I can't promise that I'll be the best wing you ever saw.
(However, typically, for me it's not about winging for each other so much as just hanging out. I often break away from the group to go PU solo and then regroup later for breaks. I'll do my best to have your back if you want me to, or we can just split up and regroup for a drink a bit later.)
This post must sound really disjointed. haha. Sorry. It's late and I'm really tired...
Anyway, if anyone is interested in meeting up, let me know. Email is: adminatimmoralpsychologydotcom.
Thanks.
I can't do nothing for a meetup but I can help in leading ya in the right direction of venues. Are you staying downtown while your in town? How are your logistics? And you looking to roll solo or with a group of your buddies most nights? How are your money situation? You established and not worrying about costs on this trip?
Your generally going to spending time in King West, Yorkville. I suggest also hitting up happy hour spots in the core. Since your in town for a while you can easily swoop up some numbers/leads with girls after work and then try to swing some dates while your in town.
Fill me in on a bit more info and I'll try and give you some carrots on where to go.
It will be interesting to see how older dudes work their game here in Toronto. In all honesty I think you will find it easier then me for a man simply just trying to get tale being established with status and some bank roll you can weasel women a lot more easy then me begin a broke student lol.
Welcome back though. Toronto is indeed a tough nut to crack but its still a solid place to spend some time in the summer for a trip for sure.
Thanks for the reply, Kosko.
To answer your questions:
1) Unfortunately, I'll be staying with family in Pickering/Ajax area, so no bringing anyone back there.
2) Most of my buddies of old have moved away to different parts of the country or to other countries. There's only one left in the area and he's a great friend, but he's been married with kids for 20 years and doesn't get the PUA mindset at all so unless someone from here wants to hang I guess I'll be going solo.
3) Money is tight-ish. I'm not completely flat broke but I want to limit expenses as much as I can. I don't need to limit myself to no-cover places and $3 drinks, LOL, but I am not interested in trawling clubs with $50 covers and $15 drinks either.
4) Not sure what you mean by logistics. Transportation? I might get a car to borrow if I'm lucky. Otherwise, I'm looking at trains/subway/cabs.
More info:
My main purpose is visiting family so I won't really have the time to go around PU'ing every day. Realistically, I'm probably limited to a Friday or Saturday night out - one each weekend perhaps, which means that I'll probably be going for the ONS as I don't have time to do the three-date routine. IIRC, Yorkville is a bit upscale, right? Suit up and splash some cash type places? How affordable are these places? I can suit up, but like I said, I'm not interested in dropping $150 for a few drinks at a club. If a smokin' hottie drops into my lap then I'll pay for a hotel if she doesn't have a place to go to though.
As you can see, I'm not a high-flyer with a huge bankroll so it may not be any easier than a broke student after all. LOL We'll see.
Just wanted to point out and make clear that I've been out of the game for quite a while, so I'll probably be rusty. Since I've never really "gamed" in Toronto, I might be downright atrocious. LOL
My goal for meeting up is just to have fun and meet some of the guys from this board to PU with. I don't want to get too hardcore and serious about it.
Welcome, not sure where you are going to find $3 drinks - I can see you have been out of the scene for awhile.
If money is tight then downtown would be out of the question, I would try and find spots in Scarborough or close to where you are staying. I am on the west side so cannot give you any details but I did check a few places on the Danforth, they seemed sort of chilled. One place in particular called Local.
On a side note, you said your old friends have moved out of the country, anywhere interesting?
There ARE $3 beers/drinks/shots places, primarily on Adelaide West, such as Bar 244. ($5 cover! free before 10pm)
Beware that such bars are super small, and by 11:30 they get PACKED with a 19-24 college crowd. Lots of guys.
Of course there's King St. with $10+ covers and $6+ beers/drinks. Crowd is more upscale, or "uptight", you can feel a pretentious vibe easily, but if you're dressed top notch, got a bill to waste on drinks and shit, you'll fit in.
Yorkville is just as pricey as King St. if not more. Very strict dress code, very asshole-ish bouncers, especially if you roll solo. I wouldn't recommend it because of "hit and miss" theory explained below.
Middle ground would be anywhere on Richmond St./Peter St. and Queen West St. where cover can not go over $10, and drinks range from $4-$6.
I would recommend Tattoo Rock Parlor on Queen West St. for starters. $5.50 drinks/beers, $10 cover, somewhat decent crowd. Lots of tourists based on what i observed from my visit there two weeks ago.
Overall, a solid mentality to have in Toronto is that location does NOT determine if you're gonna pick up or not, as most of the time it is a "hit or miss" in this town. So get your vibe in check, dress nice, and i can't emphasize this enough...DO NOT EXPECT ANYTHING OUT OF THE EVENING, in fact expect that NO ONE WILL EVEN LOOK AT YOU.
I say this because i've burned rooms before, approached the max number of girls there and got cockblocked, rejected, escorted by security out, you name it. While other times, i would be totally out of it, just wanna finish my drink, and hope for a better song to come with my next drink, and before i knew it, i was making out with one broad while her girlfriend was wrapped around me from behind (who i got her number/bang after a week) lol.
(06-27-2012 08:55 PM)rudebwoy Wrote: [ -> ]Welcome, not sure where you are going to find $3 drinks - I can see you have been out of the scene for awhile.
If money is tight then downtown would be out of the question, I would try and find spots in Scarborough or close to where you are staying. I am on the west side so cannot give you any details but I did check a few places on the Danforth, they seemed sort of chilled. One place in particular called Local.
On a side note, you said your old friends have moved out of the country, anywhere interesting?
I have to disagree STRONGLY. Do not go to Scarborough, just stay home, you'll have a better time, trust me. I've been to Scarborough bars, and they are bad in the sense that the few rare ones attended by young crowds (20-30) are very multicultural, and everyone sticks with their own like hair on soap. The rest of bars are filled with old guys (50+) who are regulars and go there for a drink and watch games.
Thanks for the info guys. I haven't been able to check the board till now, but I'm glad I did. I'm planning to go out tonight. Not sure where I'll end up, but will definitely take this info into consideration. I'm going out solo and I have no idea what to expect because it's not something I ever do. It's funny that if I go out with a friend(s), we will walk in together but then we'll not even see each other for 2 hours while we are hitting on women the whole time, but if I walk in alone, I find it hard to do anything even though it should be the exact same thing. Tonight, I won't expect much, but it will be good for me to go out and battle that part of me.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to go out the night of my last post because something came up last minute but I did get to go out the following weekend a couple of times.
The first night out was with an old college friend whom I haven't seen for years. Unfortunately, she has no idea how to wing at all and ended up cockblocking me. The next night I went out solo but ended up getting lost and walking around for two hours just to go somewhere for an hour before having to go home.
I didn't get the chance to really do much but I did leave wondering why everyone keeps bagging on Toronto so hard. I thought the women weren't nearly as bitchy as I expected from the posts. Most that I talked to were fine and in fact, the girl my friend cockblocked me with was more than fine. Things were going far beyond my expectations and she was a solid 8.5. The fact that she was probably around 24 or 25 made it even more surprising. I figured the age difference would have been a bigger deal. If my friend hadn't screwed it up for me, I can't say definitely what would have happened, but I am pretty confident for a followup date at least.
I also got the number and email of an 18-yr-old stunner (8 or 9 - seriously gorgeous) on the train the next morning. Sadly, when I contacted her, she said that the age diff was too much for her to handle. "I am attracted to you and I really want to meet you but I don't think I should because of our age diff" was the theme of her resistance. I would have needed more time than the couple of days I had to get past that. And she kept mentioning that living in different countries would make it too hard to have a relationship. Duh! No shit. Who needs a relationship? So I would have had to get past that too. Would have been a lot of work.
Still, overwhelmingly, I found that the women responded very positively and that if I had the option to go the two or three date route, I would have slayed. Maybe slayed is overstating it but I'm sure I would've done OK. LOL If it's even better in other places, I imagine the pussy is just growing on trees there.
I haven't picked up in Toronto for a long, long time and that was when I had no game at ALL. Plus, what game I do have was all developed overseas, so I was concerned that it might be irrelevant there. Then with 60 or 70% TFTF (too fat to fuck), and the other 30% some being ugly, too thin, and other factors, I really thought I would bomb big time. I never imagined that all of my best interactions came from some of the hottest girls I've ever even talked to in a club.
I wish I had the chance to go there for a couple of months or so to see how I would fare with a bit of time on my side. I've never been good with ONS PU's and let's face it, they are hard for anyone anyway.
Anyway, I don't know where you guys are going, but I managed to find quite a few very friendly (and HOT) girls in Toronto and in fact, no one was ever rude to me or came across as a big bitch. I think things might be tougher in Japan, actually!
How long where you here for?
(07-13-2012 09:59 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote: [ -> ]I also got the number and email of an 18-yr-old stunner (8 or 9 - seriously gorgeous) on the train the next morning. Sadly, when I contacted her, she said that the age diff was too much for her to handle. "I am attracted to you and I really want to meet you but I don't think I should because of our age diff" was the theme of her resistance.
Did you lie about your age? If she was 18 years old, you could have tried to say you were 25 to 28. But, don't tell her your real age. Some might say that's weak, but who cares. At the end of the day, 18 year olds are prime pussy. If you have to lie to get into their pants to be it. They are not exactly innocent virgins, the way they slut it out with guys their own age.
rudeboy, dates are in the title.
ManAbout, no, I didn't lie. Maybe I should have, but when she asked my age, I told her to guess and she nailed it within a year so I don't think I could've lied by more than a couple of years anyway. Incidentally, I don't think it's weak to lie to a girl for PU at all. I just didn't think I'd get away with it without being called on it.
(07-15-2012 08:10 AM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote: [ -> ]rudeboy, dates are in the title.
ManAbout, no, I didn't lie. Maybe I should have, but when she asked my age, I told her to guess and she nailed it within a year so I don't think I could've lied by more than a couple of years anyway. Incidentally, I don't think it's weak to lie to a girl for PU at all. I just didn't think I'd get away with it without being called on it.
I can tell you've been out of the game for a while. Always lie as much as you can, the fact that she was asking your age meant the ball was in your court. Tell her you are 25 but you've had a very experienced life and then consolidate your 50 years of living into 25 years.
She's 18, what the fcuk does she know
Girls being friendly and dropping there pants are two different things completely.
Your post makes alot of assumptions, like if you had more time.
As for the 18 year old, why didn't you tell her that you have moved back to Toronto. Maybe she was looking a sugar daddy.!!
I didn't assume anything. Sometimes the difference between being just friendly and into you are difficult to distinguish. Sometimes it's not. The way the girls I mentioned looked at me and talked to me, it was obvious beyond a doubt that they weren't only being friendly. Doesn't mean I wouldn't have messed up down the line with these 2 in particular because there was still plenty of ground to cover and time for mistakes, but there's no question where we were at at the time. I had other girls that WERE just being friendly and I didn't convince myself it was more than what it was.
Telling the 18 that I moved back wouldn't have put any pressure on her to meet me and I only had a couple days left. Perhaps I should've said that I was in town for a few days to set things up, have to go back for a month but then will be back in Toronto for good after that. This could have worked in that she doesn't want to wait a month and a half to meet me again so will do her best to hook up with me before I go back for a month.
As for lying about my age, I just don't look all that young, so a serious lie by more than a few years would have been out of the question (and wouldn't help much with such a large difference in age). If she was 27, saying I'm 37 might have helped, but at 18, I don't think it would have. But still, you're right Moma, if you meant that I should just make a joke out of it and leave her wondering about my real age. That would've been a better answer.
That's OK. Noted for next time. I'm aware that Japanese game is VERY different from Toronto game and I need to brush up a bit. I expected much much less from my nights out so I'm OK with it.