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I went out the other night and pulled a number from this 7 out side of the club using gmanifesto's smoking technique( which works amazingly well). Now having gone through the text vs calling forms I have decided to call. What is a good formula for call game if she dosen't anwser the first time and it goes to voicemail? Would I leave a message saying call me back or what? At that point would i wait a day or so and go to text game?

(07-29-2012 02:12 PM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I went out the other night and pulled a number from this 7 out side of the club using gmanifesto's smoking technique( which works amazingly well). Now having gone through the text vs calling forms I have decided to call. What is a good formula for call game if she dosen't anwser the first time and it goes to voicemail? Would I leave a message saying call me back or what? At that point would i wait a day or so and go to text game?

What time of day did you call? maybe shes working. call back at a diff time and if she still doesnt pick up hit her with a text right after sayn whatever:

hey i tried to hit you up wanted to see if blah blah blah, got this thing going on tonight can you hang out. anyways let me know

(07-29-2012 02:37 PM)hypesession Wrote: [ -> ]call back at a diff time and if she still doesnt pick up hit her with a text right after sayn whatever:

hey i tried to hit you up wanted to see if blah blah blah, got this thing going on tonight can you hang out. anyways let me know

I do this sometimes. Or, I wait 6-7 days and then text her. I used to leave voicemails but not so much anymore.

Is voicemail dead???

I haven't called her yet. What I want to know is how to leave a effective voice message if she doesn't answer

effective voice message... yeah

i'd call her again after few days. meanwhile focus on other girls

(07-29-2012 03:22 PM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]What I want to know is how to leave a effective voice message if she doesn't answer

"whatsup jenny, its sketness , what are doing thursday? i'm going to happy hour at the restaurant/bar, wanna hang out? "

HOW you say it is just as important as what you say. I hope your feeling strong and confident!

Whatever you do, don't sound like a needy little pussy!

"Hi, it's Sketness, I met you at The Douchebag Emporium Friday night. Give me a call."

The less you say the better. Be aware she will be looking for reasons to disqualify you and the slightest hint of hesitation. voice cracking, high pitch, or other signs of lack of confidence or neediness and you are probably finished.

Which is why I seldom leave voicemails for girls i haven't yet had a date with. Once you have had face time with her beyond the initial pickup, the voicemail is much less critical since she has had plenty of opportunity to judge you in person

So in this instance would texting be better than calling? Im still in the experimental stage with my game.

If i had to be a teacher id kill myself

(07-29-2012 02:12 PM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I went out the other night and pulled a number from this 7 out side of the club using gmanifesto's smoking technique( which works amazingly well). Now having gone through the text vs calling forms I have decided to call. What is a good formula for call game if she dosen't anwser the first time and it goes to voicemail? Would I leave a message saying call me back or what? At that point would i wait a day or so and go to text game?

'Hello, this is Sketness, we met outside of __________ last week. Anyways I'm going to a very nice place I know of near _________ for drinks on __________. Give me a call back and I will tell you where it is.'

The order is; introduction, reminder, plan and a subtle order.

Quick and minimalist, the high-efficiency of tight game encapsulated. On my end, this is of course done 2-3 days after the initial meet, and the plans are usually set for a Tuesday, Wednesday or a Thursday.

When leaving a girl a message, do not;

- Make a corny joke...the temptation will be there, resist it.
- Ramble on for more than 30 seconds; it's a sign of insecurity.
- Seek approval; no 'I was calling to see if you wanted to hangout sometime...' or other things of that nature.
- Hang up on the machine, everyone has caller ID, she will know it was you. This comes across creepy and insecure.
- Call her back after a few days. This is bad advice because the ball is now in her court. She has your number, she knows you, and if she is attractive she has had a small army of guys call her, fail to get through and then call back a few days (or for the most beta, a few hours) later. How many of these guys did she fuck? I'm going to guess zero. Calling once and leaving a powerful message with a plan, and not calling again is a sign of confidence. If you have to call her back, 1-2 weeks later is acceptable (this is actually a good chance to 'sell' if you get her on the line; 'Yeah I tried to get you but you missed the call. Anyways I just got back into town from __________, let's grab some drinks at _________'). If she doesn't take this call, then assume the lead is dead.
- No weekend first dates; weekends are for four things: catching up with friends/family, hunting, chilling and fucking any girls you already have in the system. Don't give a girl you have yet to fuck the most important time of your week. Monday is no good (most exhausting day of most people's workweeks), Tuesday and Wednesday are good, Thursday is also good (but also a good day to be out there looking for new leads), but the weekend? No.
- This should go without saying, but drink date...not dinner, not coffee, alcohol.

Do

- Have a plan; at this stage in the game you should have at least 2-3 token spots (more in big cities) to take girls for drinks, and ideally, have a few bartenders there on lock. Sell this plan; one of the most egregious messaging mistakes I see guys make (and I myself still slip and make on occasion) is saying 'Let's hang out sometime!' instead of selling her on a plan.
- Have the proper affect in your voice; you should command, but also be nonchalant. Master the vibe.
- Set up preliminary logistics. This is not a phone game tip, but if you're going for the first-date bang, the bar should be a fifteen minute walk from home maximum. If you have to spend 30 minutes in a taxi, for every two minutes your chances of getting laid that night decrease by 5%.

(07-29-2012 09:22 PM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]So in this instance would texting be better than calling? Im still in the experimental stage with my game.

Yes, texting is usually the way to go. I have changed my perspective a bit since this thread..

Leaving a voicemail?

I Fucked up I texted "hey its sketness whats up" a fucking rookie mistake,she hasen't texted back for a day now. I knew I should have gone with my gut feeling and called but in reading some of the comments I convenced myself that call was a thing of the past. you live and you learn. I might send a restart text later this week but more than likely ill just call this one a fail and move on

(07-31-2012 01:51 AM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I Fucked up I texted "hey its sketness whats up" a fucking rookie mistake

This is not a mistake! You texted her, now she will get back to you if she in interested. If she doesn't return your text, I'm not sure a phone call would have made any difference..?

But, it sounds like YOU really want to call. So call her then. Just wait a week.

I'm like you, I want to get the chick on the phone and talk to her. Next time you meet a girl, call instead of text. Do your own experimenting and come up with your own conclusions. Don't take our word for it.

Call her in 8-10 days.

I don't see any mistake here

(07-31-2012 01:51 AM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I Fucked up I texted "hey its sketness whats up" a fucking rookie mistake,she hasen't texted back for a day now. I knew I should have gone with my gut feeling and called but in reading some of the comments I convenced myself that call was a thing of the past. you live and you learn. I might send a restart text later this week but more than likely ill just call this one a fail and move on

You're looking at this all wrong

Girls love to get texts, even from guys who are just acquaintances.

If a girl won't respond to a text from you it's most likely because she doesn't want any more contact with you

It's very unlikely that a girl would respond to a phone call from a man she doesn't know yet wouldn't respond to a text from him

The only mistake I see is that you didn't identify where you met her. she might have given her number out to ten guys this week and might not remember who you are or might have confused you with another guy she didn't like

How many number have you ever gotten from girls? I 've gotten plenty and I can tell you the flake rate is very high-many girls simply will never respond back to you. It's nothing to be concerned about at all.

Besides it's only been a day, you might still hear from her

(07-31-2012 08:55 PM)MrXY Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-31-2012 01:51 AM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I Fucked up I texted "hey its sketness whats up" a fucking rookie mistake,she hasen't texted back for a day now. I knew I should have gone with my gut feeling and called but in reading some of the comments I convenced myself that call was a thing of the past. you live and you learn. I might send a restart text later this week but more than likely ill just call this one a fail and move on

You're looking at this all wrong

Girls love to get texts, even from guys who are just acquaintances.

If a girl won't respond to a text from you it's most likely because she doesn't want any more contact with you

It's very unlikely that a girl would respond to a phone call from a man she doesn't know yet wouldn't respond to a text from him

The only mistake I see is that you didn't identify where you met her. she might have given her number out to ten guys this week and might not remember who you are or might have confused you with another guy she didn't like

How many number have you ever gotten from girls? I 've gotten plenty and I can tell you the flake rate is very high-many girls simply will never respond back to you. It's nothing to be concerned about at all.

Besides it's only been a day, you might still hear from her

If many girls are never texting you back, then you're doing something wrong. Girls talk to people all the time, and most of them -- especially the attractive ones -- tend to be good enough at talking that they can hit you back on conversational autopilot if you approach the right way.

Saying "hey, what's up?" works for friends and chicks you already know but it comes off as boring and kind of generic for a girl who is still formulating an opinion about you. Say something more interesting. Stimulate a response.

You might want sex from the girl but so do a bunch of other people, and if you don't approach her differently than everyone else, then she has no reason to choose you out of the crowd.

Sometimes, when a girl ignores my first text, I say something like, "you know, it's rude to ignore people." I sent that to a sorority girl who replied "I was not ignoring you!! Haha, I forgot to write you back..my apologies." We chatted a little and she invited me to go barhopping with her and some friends. For all I know, she was trying to hook me up with some ugly fatty, but that's better than the alternative of giving up over a single text message.

(07-29-2012 02:12 PM)Sketness Wrote: [ -> ]I went out the other night and pulled a number from this 7 out side of the club using gmanifesto's smoking technique( which works amazingly well). Now having gone through the text vs calling forms I have decided to call. What is a good formula for call game if she dosen't anwser the first time and it goes to voicemail? Would I leave a message saying call me back or what? At that point would i wait a day or so and go to text game?

I take a counter intuitive approach to texting. You'd think texting an hour after meeting would appear desperate, but I always get a response this way. Maybe it's b/c she still remembers me from an hour ago or maybe it's b/c she assumes I'm spontaneous and not strategizing on some 3 day wait-to-call rule. But don't give up on texting, just think of something better to text. Since she didn't respond to your first text, wait 3-4 days to prove that you're not eager to talk to her. Then follow up with "my condoms match my socks."