Post: #51

Your going to athother place here . Soccer is more popular because it's the most accesible sport and the cheapest . I don't have any statistic but I'm pretty sure that football has way more health repercussion than boxing and people won't stop to play . For your anologie on boxers , yes a lot of them have tough background . But, how they deal with money,pressure it's not the same as a soccer player , Soccer player have a hell of a good support by an entire organisation . Boxers have few support or 0 .

Post: #52

(02-08-2012 01:34 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  Your going to athother place here . Soccer is more popular because it's the most accesible sport and the cheapest . I don't have any statistic but I'm pretty sure that football has way more health repercussion than boxing and people won't stop to play . For your anologie on boxers , yes a lot of them have tough background . But, how they deal with money,pressure it's not the same as a soccer player , Soccer player have a hell of a good support by an entire organisation . Boxers have few support or 0 .

It doesn't matter WHY soccer is more popular. It is and it negates all of G's outrageous points that he had in bold in his earlier post.

Football is America's sport, pays well, but its players by no means suffer consequences like boxers.

With football, some players get hit and some do the hitting.

All boxers get hit. Repeated blows to the head are extremely dangerous over time.

I've never seen a single boxer whose life I envy. Soccer players, basketball players have it much better. Better money, lifestyle, and support.

Post: #53

I love soccer. I love boxing. I'm pretty sure soccer is the most widely played sport in the world. I'm sure this is the because of socio-economic-cultural-or whatever reasons.

In my opinion, boxing and mma might be the most pure, raw form of sport. "Man vs Man" in a fight to the death (almost). If the referee was not there or the the fight was taking place in prison or on a battlefield, it literally would be a fight to death.

To me that is the deepest level of sport. No where to run, no where to hide, just you and your physical/mental skills vs another man and his physical/mental skills. With your life on the line. Literally fighting for Alpha and Beta status like wild cavemen fighting for food, women and shelter.

I love that shit. The rush of hand to hand combat is very intense.

As to what athlete is most popular? Who knows? It depends what part of the world you are in right?

In most of the world, its a soccer player. But in America, its maybe a basketball, football, baseball player or boxer.

I think its important to note that basketball, baseball, and football have only been around for about 100 years or so. Before that I don't know what the fuck we did, I guess just run, swim, wrestle, and fight??

Of course, my favorite sport is chasing college girls. I look at it the way Brazilians look at soccer. Its a religion!

(02-08-2012 12:28 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  The best Soccer play in the last decade was Zidane

Zizou!!!

One of my all time favorite athletes ever! The "scientist of soccer". He did things with the ball that defied physics!

Messi isn't to shabby either.

The greatest athlete I've ever seen is Mike Jordan. Lebron doesn't have to mental makeup right now. Muhammad Ali probably had the greatest cultural impact of any American athlete. Jordan had the biggest impact on the business of sports. Pele is a God, so is Babe Ruth.

My dad says Willie Mays and Jim Brown were the best athletes he's ever seen.

Interesting discussion. I would like to see HenCred and The G put on some gloves and get in the ring! We could broadcast live thru skype or something and maybe sell some tickets for a - "Roosh Boxing Night". Then we would really see what's what!

Post: #54

Good post. Though I think MMA is a real fight to the death. Boxing is just that, and there are many rules. MMA is pure and raw to the highest level.

No boxer out there could face the sickest guys in MMA.

You think Anderson Silva would have a problem fighting Mayweather? Hell no. He's even offered to fight Mayweather as a boxer under boxing rules.

Mayweather would rack up tons of L's if he ever dared to consider a career in MMA.

Post: #55

(02-08-2012 02:31 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Good post. Though I think MMA is a real fight to the death. Boxing is just that, and there are many rules. MMA is pure and raw to the highest level.

No boxer out there could face the sickest guys in MMA.

You think Anderson Silva would have a problem fighting Mayweather? Hell no. He's even offered to fight Mayweather as a boxer under boxing rules.

Mayweather would rack up tons of L's if he ever dared to consider a career in MMA.

Not this retarded argument again.

They are two different sports. You can't compare them.

You might as well compare horseracing and surfing.





Cue the excuses.

Post: #56

(02-08-2012 02:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:31 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Good post. Though I think MMA is a real fight to the death. Boxing is just that, and there are many rules. MMA is pure and raw to the highest level.

No boxer out there could face the sickest guys in MMA.

You think Anderson Silva would have a problem fighting Mayweather? Hell no. He's even offered to fight Mayweather as a boxer under boxing rules.

Mayweather would rack up tons of L's if he ever dared to consider a career in MMA.

Not this retarded argument again.

They are two different sports. You can't compare them.

You might as well compare horseracing and surfing.





Cue the excuses.

Slow down.

Gio's post brought them up in the same context. Boxing is not a "fight to the death." It's a fight before the judges in most instances.

MMA cats use whatever skills they have to defeat their opponents, either by KO or submission.

Post: #57

(02-08-2012 02:47 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:31 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Good post. Though I think MMA is a real fight to the death. Boxing is just that, and there are many rules. MMA is pure and raw to the highest level.

No boxer out there could face the sickest guys in MMA.

You think Anderson Silva would have a problem fighting Mayweather? Hell no. He's even offered to fight Mayweather as a boxer under boxing rules.

Mayweather would rack up tons of L's if he ever dared to consider a career in MMA.

Not this retarded argument again.

They are two different sports. You can't compare them.

You might as well compare horseracing and surfing.





Cue the excuses.

Slow down.

Gio's post brought them up in the same context. Boxing is not a "fight to the death." It's a fight before the judges in most instances.

MMA cats use whatever skills they have to defeat their opponents, either by KO or submission.

Every time you say something you are wrong.

Quote:Boxing is not a "fight to the death."

False.

Tell that to Duk Koo Kim.

You probably don't know who that is because you have displayed time and time again that you know nothing about boxing history or currently.

I really need to bow out of this conversation.

It's been:

1. Hencredible arguing with himself.
2. Hencredible talking about things that have no relevance like water polo, gambling numbers, concession sales etc.
3. Me correcting Hencredible's false statements.

He has been hencredibly wrong this entire time.

And he is starting to make himself look hencredibly weird.

Post: #58

(02-08-2012 02:55 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:47 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 02:31 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  Good post. Though I think MMA is a real fight to the death. Boxing is just that, and there are many rules. MMA is pure and raw to the highest level.

No boxer out there could face the sickest guys in MMA.

You think Anderson Silva would have a problem fighting Mayweather? Hell no. He's even offered to fight Mayweather as a boxer under boxing rules.

Mayweather would rack up tons of L's if he ever dared to consider a career in MMA.

Not this retarded argument again.

They are two different sports. You can't compare them.

You might as well compare horseracing and surfing.





Cue the excuses.

Slow down.

Gio's post brought them up in the same context. Boxing is not a "fight to the death." It's a fight before the judges in most instances.

MMA cats use whatever skills they have to defeat their opponents, either by KO or submission.

Every time you say something you are wrong.

Quote:Boxing is not a "fight to the death."

False.

Tell that to Duk Koo Kim.

You probably don't know who that is because you have displayed time and time again that you know nothing about boxing history or currently.

I really need to bow out of this conversation.

It's been:

1. Hencredible arguing with himself.
2. Hencredible talking about things that have no relevance like water polo, gambling numbers, concession sales etc.
3. Me correcting Hencredible's false statements.

He has been hencredibly wrong this entire time.

And he is starting to make himself look hencredibly weird.

You have made absolutely no sense in anything you've written. Nothing.

How is "impactful" and "popular" any different? That's a lame attempt on your part to backtrack from a bogus claim.


Please, bow out. You're only embarrassing yourself with your ridiculous zeal about boxing being greater than it is. You have no facts to support that and the only boxer you can reference is Ali. Pretty sad.

Post: #59

I will school you one last time just for fun.

Quote:How is "impactful" and "popular" any different? That's a lame attempt on your part to backtrack from a bogus claim.

Impactful, Definition: having a great impact or effect

Popular, Definition: regarded with favor, approval, or affection by people in general

Quote:impactful is not a word btw

False again.

See above.

Quote:the only boxer you can reference is Ali.

False again.

I mentioned one for each of the last three centuries.

It is hencredible how many false statements you make.

And it is hencredible how you continue to divert the frame of the conversation.

And it is hencredible how little you know about boxing.

It is like you are hencredibly retarded or something.

Post: #60

(02-08-2012 03:08 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  I will school you one last time just for fun.

Quote:How is "impactful" and "popular" any different? That's a lame attempt on your part to backtrack from a bogus claim.

Impactful, Definition: having a great impact or effect

Popular, Definition: regarded with favor, approval, or affection by people in general

Quote:impactful is not a word btw

False again.

See above.

It is hencredible how many false statements you make.

And it is hencredible how you continue to divert the frame of the conversation.

And it is hencredible how little you know about boxing.

It is like you are hencredibly retarded or something.

You allege false statements without a shred of evidence to back it up.

You're bowing out because you've lost. How many countries is soccer the most "impactful" sport?

How is "impactful" and "popular" different in this context?

Btw, I removed that sentence the second after I posted it, realizing the mistake.

You simply can't lose with grace and now resort to ad hominem attacks after being expended by supposed rebuttals such as, "you are wrong."

As they say in boxing, throw in the towel and lose with some dignity.

Sheesh.

Post: #61

When you talk about a sport's popularity, what do you mean exactly? How many corners of the globe the sport is actually played? How widely it's watched? How popular it's players are? What's the measuring stick we use to determine it?

There are professional basketball leagues in many corners of the globe, but is basketball the most popular sport worldwide? No. If a player from a particular part of the world plays at a major college, and then ascends to the NBA, there may be increased interest in the sport simply because of that individual, but that's it. In the US, basketball is the most widely played sport, simply because it is more accessible (there are public courts everywhere, and you only need ONE ball per court). However, the NFL is far more popular and lucrative than any other major sports league. At the same time, the NFL continues to try to grow the game outside of the US and Canada (they play preseason games in Mexico City, and a regular season game in London every year). They even started a minor pro league in Europe (WLAF - World League of American Football), but it was largely a curiousity to Europeans, and a play for NFL scrubs to get game experience they weren't getting on their own teams. The sport isn't part of other cultures, thus it won't gain popularity.

Baseball is popular in Mexico and Venezuela, and throughout the Caribbean Islands. But it isn't really played in Central and the rest of South America with the exception of Venezuela. However, Soccer is played pretty much EVERYWHERE south of the US, and is more popular than baseball in most of the countries that play both. Soccer is the most widely played sport worldwide, and in many corners, the ONLY sport. Though great boxers don't come from all corners of the globe, people FIGHT in all corners of the globe, thus boxing fans are also very widespread. In areas where great fighters originate, the sport will be popular in terms of viewers because they feel personally invested in the fighter. In times when boxing was perhaps the most popular sporting event, when everything stopped in almost every household, and families gathered around the RADIO to hear the broadcast of the fight, boxers where GODS.

Soccer isn't part of American culture. Someone stated how international soccer friendlies sell out in seconds here, and that's true. Why is that? Because of immigrants, and children of immigrants, and their children. They brought their love of the sport here with them, and are still very much tied to the national teams and players from the country of their origin. And they also have a great appreciation for great teams regardless of where they originate. If you look at the US national team, a few of them are children of immigrants from soccer-loving countries, and a couple may hold dual citizenship and are eligible to play for those countries if they so chose. I know people that were born here, not children of immigrants, that are fans of Man U and Arsenal, and regularly watch EPL games on TV. Great soccer players will always achieve a popularity worldwide that other team sport athletes won't. There was a time when that was true of boxers, but now it takes a truly special fighter to achieve that. There are far fewer boxing events that can capture public attention than there are soccer matches that can do the same.

Post: #62

I agree with G here , Casanova in my post I arg with you how the status of an athlete is different from popularity . Popularity means nothing and even if we take this point the best boxer are more popular than the best soccer player ever . Deuxio Football is more dangerous than boxing because you are often hit in a blind shot . Boxing in the other hand you know when it's comming .
Silva Will loose in a boxing match vs Floyd and Floyd will loose against silva in MMA match because it's totally different . You can't compare the 2 sports with wash up boxer fighting an MMA guy .

The boxing is not a fight to the death ...well sorry dude but, We can named a lot of boxers who have died during or due to a fight . And ask to any fighters what it is the more painful . Having your ass beated during 12 rounds or been knock out at the 3rd round ? Asking the question is answering at the same time .

Post: #63

(02-08-2012 03:25 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  I agree with G here , Casanova in my post I arg with you how the status of an athlete is different from popularity . Popularity means nothing and even if we take this point the best boxer are more popular than the best soccer player ever . Deuxio Football is more dangerous than boxing because you are often hit in a blind shot . Boxing in the other hand you know when it's comming .
Silva Will loose in a boxing match vs Floyd and Floyd will loose against silva in MMA match because it's totally different . You can't compare the 2 sports with wash up boxer fighting an MMA guy .

The boxing is not a fight to the death ...well sorry dude but, We can named a lot of boxers who have died during or due to a fight . And ask to any fighters what it is the more painful . Having your ass beated during 12 rounds or been knock out at the 3rd round ? Asking the question is answering at the same time .

You're welcome to express your opinion, Alfonzo, but without any facts, it doesn't hold any sway.

Any google search will put this discussion to rest.

Timoteo hit the nail on the head with his post.

Post: #64

#1. Boxing and MMA are two different sports...hard to compare.

#2. As for the age-old question of MMA vs. Boxer. The MMA fighter has more skills to use so of course he would win BUT he would have to use all the skills OUTSIDE of boxing. The 100th rated boxer in a certain division would only need ONE punch and it's lights out on the MMA fighter. Folks just don't know how hard a trained boxer hits...plus would expose even the slightest openings in defense.

Post: #65

"Football is America's sport, pays well, but its players by no means suffer consequences like boxers"

There was a time when I would have agreed with this, but not so much now. I think we get this impression because the most popular of fighters, Muhammad Ali, and now a popular trainer and former fighter, Freddie Roach, are the public face of the dangers of head blows. Fighters like Tommy Hearns has visibly slurred speech. Many retired football players also suffer from issues from head blows, and chronic pain all over their bodies. Since the NFL started studying the effects of concussions, they've found extensive damage in the brains of since deceased players that donated their brains for study. There have been incidences of suicides and depression. Former QBs like Jim McMahon and Troy Aikman have spoken about not even remember SuperBowl victories because of concussions they suffered (Aikman eventually retired because of repeated concussions). We tend to only notice the big knockout hits that are delivered, but it's the constant smaller collisions that players have been taking since PeeWee football that add up over the course of their lifetimes. And we aren't even talking about the eventually knee and hip replacements, spinal fusions, organ issues from the use of painkillers, etc.

Even hockey has had a spate of issues from head blows. Sidney Crosby, the NHLs signature players, has missed the better part of the past two seasons because of two initial concussions he got from hits last season. He went out again with symptoms after a collision with a teammate that didn't even involve a head shot. I believe his career will be severely shortened because of it. There have been 3 deaths of former players in the past few months who were known goons - guys whose primary function was to fight and deliver hits on ice. Again, these players were depressed and some took prescription medication to battle issues. In boxing the obvious intent is to knock guys out with head shots, but in other sports it was the unwritten goal to do the same thing. And in the same sports there is obvious incidental contact and collisions that involve head contact.

Post: #66

As for American Football...

A lot of folks criticized Deion Sanders because he was unwilling to land hard tackles. He seems like the smart one now.

Post: #67

(02-08-2012 03:48 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:25 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  I agree with G here , Casanova in my post I arg with you how the status of an athlete is different from popularity . Popularity means nothing and even if we take this point the best boxer are more popular than the best soccer player ever . Deuxio Football is more dangerous than boxing because you are often hit in a blind shot . Boxing in the other hand you know when it's comming .
Silva Will loose in a boxing match vs Floyd and Floyd will loose against silva in MMA match because it's totally different . You can't compare the 2 sports with wash up boxer fighting an MMA guy .

The boxing is not a fight to the death ...well sorry dude but, We can named a lot of boxers who have died during or due to a fight . And ask to any fighters what it is the more painful . Having your ass beated during 12 rounds or been knock out at the 3rd round ? Asking the question is answering at the same time .

You're welcome to express your opinion, Alfonzo, but without any facts, it doesn't hold any sway.

Any google search will put this discussion to rest.

Timoteo hit the nail on the head with his post.

Ok Casanova
Here the facts that's football is more nocive for head injury
http://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience...layers.htm

It clearly said '' Football has more direct catastrophic injuries than any other sport tracked by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research (NCCSIR). ''

For the number of boxers who have died during a fight Here if you have the patience to read all this : http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/show...hp?t=25031

For the popularity of athletes , well just ask in America to a girl if she know Maradona, Pele,Tyson and Ali ...THe first 2 she will don't know who they are ...it's just a fact .

Post: #68

(02-08-2012 04:23 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:48 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:25 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  I agree with G here , Casanova in my post I arg with you how the status of an athlete is different from popularity . Popularity means nothing and even if we take this point the best boxer are more popular than the best soccer player ever . Deuxio Football is more dangerous than boxing because you are often hit in a blind shot . Boxing in the other hand you know when it's comming .
Silva Will loose in a boxing match vs Floyd and Floyd will loose against silva in MMA match because it's totally different . You can't compare the 2 sports with wash up boxer fighting an MMA guy .

The boxing is not a fight to the death ...well sorry dude but, We can named a lot of boxers who have died during or due to a fight . And ask to any fighters what it is the more painful . Having your ass beated during 12 rounds or been knock out at the 3rd round ? Asking the question is answering at the same time .

You're welcome to express your opinion, Alfonzo, but without any facts, it doesn't hold any sway.

Any google search will put this discussion to rest.

Timoteo hit the nail on the head with his post.

Ok Casanova
Here the facts that's football is more nocive for head injury
http://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience...layers.htm

It clearly said '' Football has more direct catastrophic injuries than any other sport tracked by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research (NCCSIR). ''

For the number of boxers who have died during a fight Here if you have the patience to read all this : http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/show...hp?t=25031

For the popularity of athletes , well just ask in America to a girl if she know Maradona, Pele,Tyson and Ali ...THe first 2 she will don't know who they are ...it's just a fact .

Very weak attempt to make points I'm not even focusing on

In regards to your link, it doesn't even weigh against boxing. You simply searched for information about football injuries statistics.

Here's one back at you: http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/boxing8.htm

Just look at the state of former boxers. How many of them are articulate?

I never said boxers haven't died in the ring. Athletes have died in many other sports, too. It's not even remotely dangerous compared to MMA. Anyone with a brain can see why.



America is not the world. How many times have we established that? Go around the world and ask who's heard of Pele and Maradona and who's heard of Mayweather. Good luck.

Post: #69

(02-08-2012 04:37 PM)Hencredibily Wrong Wrote:  I never said boxers haven't died in the ring.

False.

You said, "Boxing is not a "fight to the death." above.

Quote:It's not even remotely dangerous compared to MMA.

False.

There have only been a few deaths in MMA.

Boxing has had tons.

Just want to make sure this conversation is on the level.

Carry on.

Post: #70

Another factor that I failed to mention regarding football is injuries resulting in paralysis. These occur on all levels of the game.

Post: #71

(02-08-2012 04:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 04:37 PM)Hencredibily Wrong Wrote:  I never said boxers haven't died in the ring.

False.

You said, "Boxing is not a "fight to the death." above.

Quote:It's not even remotely dangerous compared to MMA.

False.

There have only been a few deaths in MMA.

Boxing has had tons.

Just want to make sure this conversation is on the level.

Carry on.

LOL.

How many boxing matches have there been? How long has boxing been around? How many different divisions are there?

Of course there have been more deaths in boxing. Doesn't make it more dangerous than MMA.

How many deaths have there been in WBC and WBA boxing?

It's only heavyweight boxing matches that you can almost guarantee a KO. So many fights in boxing, especially the lower weight classes, come to decision.

That's not how it goes down in MMA. KO or submission.

MMA is way more pure and raw. Less rules. Anything goes. Everyone knows that, which is why it's growing in popularity and has been for years.

Post: #72

Post: #73

Hencredible,

MMA is growing but I doubt you will ever see a MMA fighter be offered $50 million (like Pac or Mayweather). Also (in my opinion), MMA's growth has been more on Boxing's political mistakes than the "rawness" of a MMA match. If Boxing went back to top fighters ALWAYS fighting each other and dropping a few sanctioning bodies and weight classes, the popularity would come right back.

Post: #74

(02-08-2012 05:03 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  Hencredible,

MMA is growing but I doubt you will ever see a MMA fighter be offered $50 million (like Pac or Mayweather). Also (in my opinion), MMA's growth has been more on Boxing's political mistakes than the "rawness" of a MMA match. If Boxing went back to top fighters ALWAYS fighting each other and dropping a few sanctioning bodies and weight classes, the popularity would come right back.

MMA is just starting out. Boxing has been around forever.

Even that PPV link that G dropped, it showed the Lesnar fight had more buys than Tyson - Holyfield I, which is saying a lot. That was Iron Mike's first big fight out of prison.

I think as MMA grows in popularity, the purses for big fights will go higher in turn. You'll also see more talented fighters. There's going to be some athletes who can fight but also could have gone the NBA or NFL route. Lots of dudes out there know how to scrap and have the ability to become great fighters.

With respect to boxers vs. MMA fighters, MMA guys can take a serious beating from strong punchers too. I dropped that video in my last post showing that small Brazilian dude defeating Bob Sapp, whose like 300+ pounds, very low body fat, huge brother. Sapp was giving him hard blows to the face with all his might and still lost.

GSP is being trained by Freddie Roach - Pacman's trainer. He's actually a pretty skilled boxer, but that's just one of many skills in his repertoire.

Post: #75

(02-08-2012 04:37 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 04:23 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:48 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(02-08-2012 03:25 PM)Alfonzo Wrote:  I agree with G here , Casanova in my post I arg with you how the status of an athlete is different from popularity . Popularity means nothing and even if we take this point the best boxer are more popular than the best soccer player ever . Deuxio Football is more dangerous than boxing because you are often hit in a blind shot . Boxing in the other hand you know when it's comming .
Silva Will loose in a boxing match vs Floyd and Floyd will loose against silva in MMA match because it's totally different . You can't compare the 2 sports with wash up boxer fighting an MMA guy .

The boxing is not a fight to the death ...well sorry dude but, We can named a lot of boxers who have died during or due to a fight . And ask to any fighters what it is the more painful . Having your ass beated during 12 rounds or been knock out at the 3rd round ? Asking the question is answering at the same time .

You're welcome to express your opinion, Alfonzo, but without any facts, it doesn't hold any sway.

Any google search will put this discussion to rest.

Timoteo hit the nail on the head with his post.

Ok Casanova
Here the facts that's football is more nocive for head injury
http://neurosciencenews.com/neuroscience...layers.htm

It clearly said '' Football has more direct catastrophic injuries than any other sport tracked by the National Center for Catastrophic Sports Injury Research (NCCSIR). ''

For the number of boxers who have died during a fight Here if you have the patience to read all this : http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/show...hp?t=25031

For the popularity of athletes , well just ask in America to a girl if she know Maradona, Pele,Tyson and Ali ...THe first 2 she will don't know who they are ...it's just a fact .

Very weak attempt to make points I'm not even focusing on

In regards to your link, it doesn't even weigh against boxing. You simply searched for information about football injuries statistics.

Here's one back at you: http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/boxing8.htm

Just look at the state of former boxers. How many of them are articulate?

I never said boxers haven't died in the ring. Athletes have died in many other sports, too. It's not even remotely dangerous compared to MMA. Anyone with a brain can see why.



America is not the world. How many times have we established that? Go around the world and ask who's heard of Pele and Maradona and who's heard of Mayweather. Good luck.

I haven't need to win point . With just your answer it's clear that you don't know what you talk about and since I start I just answer to your point .

Again .... to put you in a perspective .... To take a serious beating during 12 rounds or 5 ? I will not arg against MMA but, for taking a a beating ,Boxing is way ahead . Have been knocked out in the second round is not a beating . Your argument about the amount of KO it's seems you don't watch a lot of boxing to said that . I think I see more KO in middleweight division than the Heavyweight . Bantam weight , yes not that much but, MMA haven't had theses category anyway .