Quote:This is not my experience in Toronto at all. But I'm not going to dismiss out of hand (most) of what you say. The truth is that most of my clubbing has been in the Richmond and Adelaide area, though I've been venturing out of that area more and have found it a little better. So I have very little experience with King West. To be honest, I find it doubtful that a street just a couple blocks away could be so much better. Then again, I've seen 1Bliss also mention some clubs there as better places to go. So you may be right. But tell me, besides Bloke & 4th, which other places on King West are good? List some places and I'll make it a point to go and report back.
To be clear, are you saying that you pick up (take a girl home and bang) every weekend?
I find that doubtful, but I wouldn't rule it out if you're very good looking (and I don't just mean in very good shape) and white (I'll get back to this in a moment).
Then again, you said that you have "less aesthetic buddies" who get girls every weekend. So even if you're good looking, if what you're saying is true, it's not because of that that you're able to get girls every weekend.
I have my doubts about the caveman approach that you mention. I have tried similar things, without success. (I'm very good looking and also in good shape now, though I wasn't always.) Beyond my experience, everything I've seen in Toronto tells me that most women here are not going to respond well to this approach.
Another question. Is it obvious (by your dress, perhaps bottle service, etc.) that you have money? Do you think this could be a factor in your success?
Are you saying that women approach men at clubs, or are you saying that they approach in the daytime, or both? Random strangers? If you're saying that women approach in the daytime, then I'm going to think that you're trolling. Remember what I said about not dismissing most of what you say out of hand? Well, this is the exception. If you're saying that random women approach in the daytime, then I'm prepared to say that you're flat out lying.
On a somewhat different note, would you agree that, in the daytime at least (I think the same thing is truth of night, but let's leave that aside for now), women here tend show little interest in men? Do you think that Toronto is bad in terms of daytime eye contact between the sexes?
Back to race. Although I've seen white guys complain about Toronto women as well, it seems that it is disproportionately men of color who complain (I'm also non-white). I'm now wondering if race is even more of a factor than what I thought (white men are clearly the preferred men here). Thoughts?
I agree though that Toronto is nowhere near the bottom in terms of the hotness of the women. But like someone else has said, I'd rather bang 6s than not be banging 8s and 9s.
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Hey, to answer some of your questions;
I do not take a girl home and bang every weekend. It is 100% possible if you lower your standards, absolutely. 4-6's easy no problem, same night (within reason of course). There are so many insecure chicks. But to clarify, I do have very high standards and I get multiple numbers (7's + to my standards) every time I go out, and usually always make out with my top pick of the night at least the last few months I've been on fire with that ( I know that sounds exaggerated but I am dead serious). BUT same night super babe bangs are indeed more rare. With the super babes, they usually roll in packs of both guys and girls, and the cock blocking is somewhat difficult, especially if you are only rolling with a buddy or two. In those cases you leave her wanting more and BBM/text next day, meet up asap, and bang during week/next weekend. I'll be honest, I get pretty wasted by the end of the night, I love to party as much as I love swooping girls, so my end goal is not same night lay. I enjoy the chase, dating, build-up, bang and then start over.
Speaking of being wasted, this goes hand in hand with cave man game. I dont know what it is. It's all body language. YOu have to protrude the confidence of a king, be smiling, and look like you are the shit while having a blast. I find this easiest to do while rolling with a good buzz. Not to mention I find it fun as shit, so I am living it. I do get cocky. You see a girl give IOI's THAT is when you employ cave man. It's difficult if they have never even seen you. But you cannot care. That's the key in my eyes. I should preface this by saying cave man game I think also only works if you are very good looking, dressed stylish and in excellent shape. But if you have the right elements it's killer, and my favourite. Girls love it.
I swear to god this may sound unbelievable but an example of how this goes usually is this: I see a girl I've been eyeing walk by, she glances over at me (IOI) and walks right in front. I grab her elbow and pull her in ( I dont mean touch her elbow, I mean grab and pull, again IOI's are a MUST, otherwise you're a weirdo creep/rapist). NO hesitation. FYI I do this usually towards the last hour of the night when everyone has loosened up. Huge smile, HUGE smile (crest white strips, good breath, obv). "Hey, what's up?" HUGE SMILE. You gotta smile, grab elbow forcibly, but I mean ear to ear ,real, genuine grin. (Note, sometimes they act surprised or taken aback, most of the time I find this is a BS shit test to see if your confidence breaks. Just keep smiling confident as shit) idle chit chat for a few minutes (hows your night? Nice earrings (the only negs I toss are calling chicks boring, works like a charm). Whole time this is going down massive kino, massive smile. Hold both her hands, fold your hands in hers, lift them up, push them down, always smiling, while chatting. If you say nice earrings, grab them, touch the side of her face, or if she has a necklace, same deal, but touch her neck softly. Then after a few minutes, and further IOI's, mid conversation or so just turn her around so her bums into your crotch and just dance with her. Be in control. I like to twist their hand behind their back (ya like a cop, I just like this power move, I love making chicks submit, might not work for others, I dont know, girls call me aggressive, but they love it). Keep dancing for a bit, kino city. Then I will do something like spin em to face me, pull em super close HUGE SHIT EATING grin, face to face and tell them to kiss me. LOL I swear this shit works like a charm for me. If they dont at first they are usually smiling and wanting me to work it out of them. Just keep smiling ear to ear and press your forehead to theirs. I'm usually just a few inches from their lips while I tell them this. Half the time I do it anyway. Once that's done and they kiss you, it's game over. When I've been really hammered I've been redic aggressive, squeezing asses, tits (playfully not pervy, always playful like you are teasing, not coping a feel). Always a shit ass eating ear to ear grin though. My smile is always genuine because I am having a blast and dont give two shits at the end of the night because there are always other broads. Anyway, someone wanted an example, there you go.
Regarding money, I dress well, but not always 'upscale'. As I've mentioned I have an ultrafit physique (no e-brag), so I do everything I can to exemplify this advantage, while maintaining dress code. I get bottle service often, but not always. Beer held down to your side, chest out, swagger, shit eating grin, vibing to the music. These are the essentials. Also, I do in fact roll with some other handsome dudes, the reference to unaesthetic friends chopping is true, however they usually pick-up by chatting with the girls, and these girls are, as another poster guessed, 5,6's. That's not my style, I can't stand long talks in clubs, kills the vibe for me.
Richmond St suffers from a strong 905 ethnic concentration. I say suffer not to disparage other races, however I strongly prefer young white girls, and Richmond is dominated by persian, asian, south asian and blacks. Lately, Maison (lots of chicks, but mixed age.), Bloke&4th, F-Stop, Nywood, Hoxton, are a few places to go for white chicks (if that is what you are into). This Is London, Musik, etc is heavily European (have not been in a while to either mind you). Dolce is OK, pretty mixed, again have not been in awhile. Last few times I went lotta dudes. Cheval, Cobra (used to be awesome, if you love house music it's good, but its time passed years ago), Branthouse and Century Room are ok, often older chicks (22+) though. I prefer the first four I mentioned and a handful of others I'm gonna keep secret
. Your venue makes all the difference in the world. A club with all brown dudes (no racist) and unaesthetic busted chicks will obviously give people visiting T.O a bad taste of what it has to offer. Most people are referred to Richmond, and I don't BLAME them for thinking T.Dot is shit, I would too with the quality those clubs offer. I can't stand that area. Forget it. Waste of a night. Knowing where to go is really key. King West may be shallow and pretentious but there are indeed babes in that area who want to see and be seen. Some of the doorman do discriminate against non-whites, happened to my friends at Maison and Bloke&4th.
If you are non-white, trying to pick up white girls I would imagine you will have a harder time. My asian friends strike out all the time with white chicks. IF you are Black I would suggest actually going to Loki Lounge (so I hear) or clubs on Richmond. White and Asian girls who are into blackguys go there. As a white guy, I find persian girls particularly attracted to me (I'm white, but look italian -as opposed to traditional anglo saxon even though that is what I am).
Regarding day time game, you are 100 percent correct, a chick approaching is rare, unless she is fugly. That is just the way it is. However YOU can approach them, IOI's as always. I've picked up in Metro, the beaches, on my motorcycle at the gas station, etc. It's very doable.
Cave man works like magic if you are good looking, ripped, stylish and the chick gave you IOIs.
Toronto, like any major city has babes
Richmond street is a shit hole, no wonder people judge Toronto harshly.
Girls dont approach often, but they are very receptive to approaches
Non-whites will def have harder time with white girls.