When you guys say gringo, is that just a white guy? Because I'm American but my parents are from Mexico thus I look Latin but my Spanish is not up to par. Just wondering if I would be considered a gringo or not because I would blend in.

(02-24-2010 10:38 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  I think I'm beginnng to see a pattern. I spoke with 2 paisas who are both swimsuit models and solid 9s on their opinions about gringos hitting on them. What I got from both (who don't know each other) is that foreign men or gringos wether you are from America, Europe or Canada have to first overcome the stigmata associated wuth a tourist passing by looking to get laid. Gringos have a bad rep of being whore mongers all over Colombia, as such, higher stratus women, ir the ones that have rich parents or are getting hit on daily by the Colombian affluent men, will nit be caught dead dating a gringo.

Also, if she is well traveled, has a US visa, and come and go as she pleases, then it all boils down to how she will be seen by her peers. Peer pressure us huge in Colombia among the upper class. The hotter the woman, the more social status the guy must have.

Right out the gate, if you say you are in a hostel or in a five star hotel, you are a temporary passerby, who will eventually leave. By default, you are only looking to get laid (which is actually true) and they know this.

If you're a really good looking guy, many tines they will still bang you. But if you cannot even speak Spanish, are in a hotel/hostel then you got to overcome these 2 hurdles FIRST!

This only applies to the really hot women 9+. The lower class will go fir your rap: girls from Bello, Manrique and Estrella, la 70. They welcome the opportunity to be seen with a higher class gringo.

So, I guess it us easy for ne, because not only do I speak Spanish as a native language, but I also own a 2000sf Loft in Poblado, and have friends that gave fincas in Rionegro to show high social status.

I am not seen as a passerby, but a solid investment for the high stratus girls and mega models.

Food fir thought.

This fits perfectly my perceptions about the social life here. The social circle and family is so important for these people here. It's a highly collectivistic culture and sometimes this surprises all the individualistic Americans and (northern) Europeans.

When I come to think of it, I`ve had the best success here with girls who have either mover here recently from somewhere else (not so much peer pressure yet?) and with lower class girls.

Next weekend is gonna be either Envigado, Itagui or Sabaneta. I`d like to check out Itagui especially because during daytime it kinda had nice artistic vibe to it. Anyone has any info on this area?

(02-24-2010 11:49 AM)doriangray Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 10:38 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  I think I'm beginnng to see a pattern. I spoke with 2 paisas who are both swimsuit models and solid 9s on their opinions about gringos hitting on them. What I got from both (who don't know each other) is that foreign men or gringos wether you are from America, Europe or Canada have to first overcome the stigmata associated wuth a tourist passing by looking to get laid. Gringos have a bad rep of being whore mongers all over Colombia, as such, higher stratus women, ir the ones that have rich parents or are getting hit on daily by the Colombian affluent men, will nit be caught dead dating a gringo.

Also, if she is well traveled, has a US visa, and come and go as she pleases, then it all boils down to how she will be seen by her peers. Peer pressure us huge in Colombia among the upper class. The hotter the woman, the more social status the guy must have.

Right out the gate, if you say you are in a hostel or in a five star hotel, you are a temporary passerby, who will eventually leave. By default, you are only looking to get laid (which is actually true) and they know this.

If you're a really good looking guy, many tines they will still bang you. But if you cannot even speak Spanish, are in a hotel/hostel then you got to overcome these 2 hurdles FIRST!

This only applies to the really hot women 9+. The lower class will go fir your rap: girls from Bello, Manrique and Estrella, la 70. They welcome the opportunity to be seen with a higher class gringo.

So, I guess it us easy for ne, because not only do I speak Spanish as a native language, but I also own a 2000sf Loft in Poblado, and have friends that gave fincas in Rionegro to show high social status.

I am not seen as a passerby, but a solid investment for the high stratus girls and mega models.

Food fir thought.

This fits perfectly my perceptions about the social life here. The social circle and family is so important for these people here. It's a highly collectivistic culture and sometimes this surprises all the individualistic Americans and (northern) Europeans.

When I come to think of it, I`ve had the best success here with girls who have either mover here recently from somewhere else (not so much peer pressure yet?) and with lower class girls.

Next weekend is gonna be either Envigado, Itagui or Sabaneta. I`d like to check out Itagui especially because during daytime it kinda had nice artistic vibe to it. Anyone has any info on this area?

I updated my post - sorry about the typos, I was on my Iphone about to board a plane =)

(02-24-2010 11:08 AM)loosewin Wrote:  When you guys say gringo, is that just a white guy? Because I'm American but my parents are from Mexico thus I look Latin but my Spanish is not up to par. Just wondering if I would be considered a gringo or not because I would blend in.

A gringo in all south and central american countries except Brazil is typically any white, blue eyed, blonde hair foreign man. If you are of Mexican origin, you are NOT a gringo, but a Mexican born in the US - like me, I am a Spaniard/Puerto Rican born in New York, and would be laughed at if I say I am gringo regardless if my passport says born in Brooklyn, New York.

In Brazil, a gringo is anyone who is not of Brazilian origin. A Mexican is a gringo, a Honduran is a gringo, a Colombian is a gringo, not just Americans or Europeans.

re-posting to fix typos, and add new comments:

I think I'm beginning to see a pattern. I spoke with 2 paisas who are both swimsuit models and solid 9s, and picked their brains on their opinions about gringos hitting on them. What I got from both (who don't know each other) is that foreign men or gringos whether you are from America, Europe or Canada have to first overcome the stigmata associated with a white tourist passing by looking to get laid. Gringos (white foreign men) have a bad rep of being whore mongers all over Colombia, as such, higher stratus women, or the ones that have rich parents, are highly educated or are getting hit on daily by the Colombian affluent men because of their beauty, will not be caught dead dating a gringo, unless he is part of the "rosca paisa" (more on that later).

Also, if she is well traveled, has a US visa (or better yet, green card), and comes and go as she pleases, then it all boils down to how she will be seen by her peers. Peer pressure is huge in Colombia among the upper class. The hotter the woman (and the more educated/well-traveled she is), the more social status AND educated the guy must be, so that she can bee seen as having a great catch amongst her peers (the rosca paisa).

Right out the gate, if you say you are in a hostel or even if you say a five star hotel, you are STILL a temporary passerby, who will eventually leave. By default, you are only looking to get laid (which is actually true) and they know this.

If you're a really good looking guy, many times they will still bang you if you're game is tight like Mr. G manifesto and yours truly =)

However, if you cannot even speak Spanish (or even dance), are in a hotel/hostel then you got to overcome these 2 hurdles FIRST! Being a foreigner is NOT enough to these high status/super model girls - they could care less.

This only applies to the really hot women 9+. The lower class, however, will go for your rap. Typically girls from the neighborhoods of: Bello, Manrique, Estrella, Sabaneta, and Rionegro poorer neighborhoods and la 70. They welcome the opportunity to be seen with a higher class gringo. And any foreigner, whether you work as a stockboy at Home Depot back home, is higher class to these girls.

So, I guess it is easy for me, because not only do I speak Spanish as a native language (and dance my ass off), but I also own a 2000sf Loft in Poblado which I stay in when in Colombia, and have friends that gave fincas in Rionegro and all over Colombia, along with many who own businesses to show high social status.

I am not seen as a passerby, but an international playboy who'd be a great catch, and a solid investment for the high stratus girls and mega models. Truth be told, I never planned it that way, it's just how it turned out for me.

My advice - if you are only there for a 2 week vacation, focus more on the hot girls in poor neighborhoods I just mentioned - forget about super models who have an apartment in Poblado or Laureles - these are more out of reach unless you are Daddy Yankee or some famous techno DJ.

Start making friends with local, high status men who are in a high social circle! They will introduce you around, and you will eventually be seen as part of what is actually called "la rosca paisa".

Women actually hear about whom you dated, and in my list of ex-grifriends I've dated: A Medical Oncologist with a local pratice in Poblado who herself owns a Mercedes 600, a local soap opera actress, 5 models for Studio F (a very popular store for women's clothing), the daughter of a local politician, a female architect, the VP of finance of a very popular Colombian bank, and even dated a local news anchorwoman.

Women know this!!! Word spreads like wildfire on who you are, and whom you've slept with among women! The more upper class your exes, the more you become the coveted cock of Colombia! I would not even bother with lower class girls - if I did, I would not even game her, I would just say come to my loft in Poblado - direct game 100%, and she'd show up with a huge smile on her thankful that I even noticed her.


When I went to Argentina, it was tough for me to bang girls, I had to overcome the same thing! except that this time, I speak Spanish, but have to overcome the arrogant attitude among latino hierarchy that Argentinians consider themselves "better" than other latinos from other countries, regardless if you have a coveted USA passport!

Food for thought.

(02-24-2010 12:02 PM)armanid27 Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 11:08 AM)loosewin Wrote:  When you guys say gringo, is that just a white guy? Because I'm American but my parents are from Mexico thus I look Latin but my Spanish is not up to par. Just wondering if I would be considered a gringo or not because I would blend in.

A gringo in all south and central american countries except Brazil is typically any white, blue eyed, blonde hair foreign man. If you are of Mexican origin, you are NOT a gringo, but a Mexican born in the US - like me, I am a Spaniard/Puerto Rican born in New York, and would be laughed at if I say I am gringo regardless if my passport says born in Brooklyn, New York.

In Brazil, a gringo is anyone who is not of Brazilian origin. A Mexican is a gringo, a Honduran is a gringo, a Colombian is a gringo, not just Americans or Europeans.

I remember in Panama, the people were calling light skinned Argentinians "gringos" also.

armanid speaks the truth. In Medellin I never saw a 9 with a gringo. NOT ONCE. All the gringos get the lower status girls.

I ended up getting with middle class girls who could pay their way, including one girl who was almost upper class (she worked in fashion). Towards the end I didn't try on the upper class girls because it was a waste of time.

In Brazil it's not that different. The beautiful Leblon girls are not even friendly to me in day game situations.

If I'm not staying in a city for a long time, if I don't have connections, and if I don't have status (i.e. doing a modelling shoot), I will stick to middle class girls to get action. Only if I lived in a city for 6 months or more would I make a play for the highest quality after working on some gimmick

what are some of the best clubs to pick up grls in medellin?

(02-25-2010 05:04 PM)dlmelvin86 Wrote:  what are some of the best clubs to pick up grls in medellin?

I think this question is too simplistic. We've been trying to crack the code and see the pattern in this thread, so based on that "the best club to pick up girls" dependes very much your own style, social circle, spanish skills etc.

More observations about the social life / game here: I had a talk with my paisa upper class female friend and she agreed on many of the points made here. She said that many girls judge the guy instantly if he doesn't have a car or enough dough. Also, as the social circles are really closed here, people tend to go out in the same groups. It's hard to get into them - it doesn't seem to be enough that you are just a good-looking and fun gringo. Maybe armanid27's tip about getting to the guys' circles first is a good one!

It's too easy to judge this medellin social life style as closed-minded, but there are also some practical reasons for this being what it is. It's completely two worlds out here, the "el Tesoro" world and "Santo Domingo" one. The rich and the poor. So many times the rich people are just protecting themselves by not being to open for just anyone - because this anyone could have dangerous connections or be from the "wrong crowd".

(02-25-2010 05:04 PM)dlmelvin86 Wrote:  what are some of the best clubs to pick up grls in medellin?

The best place for swooping is actually Salsa/vallenato clubs. This involves you taking the girl by the hand and kino her before you even know her name. Stay away from Techno or Hip hop clubs. The latter clubs do not allow you to get instant Kino, and girls are in mixed group sets that are closed to outsiders.

Do not buy drinks! All Colombian girls EXPECT you buy her s drink for the privilige of you speaking to her, and 90% of Colombian men game girls by giving her everything she wants for little or no effort.

(02-25-2010 05:39 PM)armanid27 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 05:04 PM)dlmelvin86 Wrote:  what are some of the best clubs to pick up grls in medellin?

The best place for swooping is actually Salsa/vallenato clubs. This involves you taking the girl by the hand and kino her before you even know her name. Stay away from Techno or Hip hop clubs. The latter clubs do not allow you to get instant Kino, and girls are in mixed group sets that are closed to outsiders.

Do not buy drinks! All Colombian girls EXPECT you buy her s drink for the privilige of you speaking to her, and 90% of Colombian men game girls by giving her everything she wants for little or no effort.

so it might be better to try and get in good with the guys of the group and have them introduce you to the females?

(02-26-2010 02:02 AM)dlmelvin86 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 05:39 PM)armanid27 Wrote:  

(02-25-2010 05:04 PM)dlmelvin86 Wrote:  what are some of the best clubs to pick up grls in medellin?

The best place for swooping is actually Salsa/vallenato clubs. This involves you taking the girl by the hand and kino her before you even know her name. Stay away from Techno or Hip hop clubs. The latter clubs do not allow you to get instant Kino, and girls are in mixed group sets that are closed to outsiders.

Do not buy drinks! All Colombian girls EXPECT you buy her s drink for the privilige of you speaking to her, and 90% of Colombian men game girls by giving her everything she wants for little or no effort.

so it might be better to try and get in good with the guys of the group and have them introduce you to the females?

Definitely! The best way in is to ask questions about an upcoming or past soccer match, if you are in Medellin, say you are a fan of "Verde" (means green team). This will get you in really fast, but do some research first!! Go online, and find out scores stats, etc in case you are tested!!

(02-24-2010 10:38 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  Gringos (white foreign men) have a bad rep of being whore mongers all over Colombia

This is definitely true. I had several girls mention this. Even an old lady I talked to at the grocery store said gringos are whore mongers.

Now its true that there are some old, lame gringos that go there on "sex tours" (we actually met a colombian guy that arranges these sex tours). Its also true that many of the young gringos at the clubs get wasted and act like fools (I remember a group of British guys wasted as hell outside of Babylon with their shirts off acting loud, obnoxious, and retarded.) But all of this, in my opinion, does not warrant the "whore monger" reputation.

I have a feeling this stereotype has been spread by the Colombian media. I mean many people have not even met a gringo, yet they already believe them to be whore mongers

(02-26-2010 10:17 AM)PartyTime Wrote:  

(02-24-2010 10:38 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  Gringos (white foreign men) have a bad rep of being whore mongers all over Colombia

This is definitely true. I had several girls mention this. Even an old lady I talked to at the grocery store said gringos are whore mongers.

Now its true that there are some old, lame gringos that go there on "sex tours" (we actually met a colombian guy that arranges these sex tours). Its also true that many of the young gringos at the clubs get wasted and act like fools (I remember a group of British guys wasted as hell outside of Babylon with their shirts off acting loud, obnoxious, and retarded.) But all of this, in my opinion, does not warrant the "whore monger" reputation.

I have a feeling this stereotype has been spread by the Colombian media. I mean many people have not even met a gringo, yet they already believe them to be whore mongers

not sure if it's media or how that rep was glued to white foreign tourists. However, to
let you know just how bad it is, there is actually a high end whore house in Medellin
that caters to gringos called the "playboy mansion" right in the heart of Poblado in
Medellin. Everyone knows about it, especially the local women who have caught their
foreign boyfriends in there. I've seen a lot of white foreigners act like fools when in
Colombia. I guess the thought of being someplace where nobody knows you, and
you're job or reputation are not on the line gives some young kids that "I'm finally
free" carefree attitude.

Also, Colombian women watch TV a lot, and they have all seen the girls gone wild
spring break commercials, and E nightclub specials in the US. they always ask me if
white, gringa women really behave this way when on vacation from school during
spring break. They are schocked at how gringa women during Mardi Gra or spring
break just flash their boobs, ir make out with other women in public while out clubbing. Something you will never see Colombian women do. So, if this is what you
see women doing back in the US, then what of the men who are in Colombia
partying like crazy, whore mongering and overdosing on coke?

This is just what I've seen myself on local Colombian news on Spanish.

Sad, but true.

funny thing is that ninety five percent of the p4p action is colombian guys going with local hookers

(02-26-2010 09:34 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  funny thing is that ninety five percent of the p4p action is colombian guys going with local hookers

True. True.

Cordoba sounds nice. With hot university students flooding the streets and parks. But it won't be so nice if I get blown out of every set because I can't speak Spanish and I'm too old in their eyes.

I'm not looking for a supermodel, social butterfly. I'm looking for a young down to earth girl that's fun to hang out with. I'd rather game friendly HB7s than cold HB9s.


Which city is the best for coffee shop or bookstore day game?
How big of a factor is an age difference?
How easy is it to find HB7+ day game sets to open in each city?
What percentage of the sets hook in each city?

If you're over 40 (and look your age) , then Colombia would be a better option for day game on HB 7.
19 year old colombianas love to scoop up older men 20 years their senior. I have not seen that with Argie girls.

If you don't speak Spanish, then at the very least learn how to dance vallenato, cumbia or salsa. You have to show some type of interest in her culture to not be labeled just another whore monger gringo.

However, take Spanish classes too if you're able to do so.

Just keep in mind what I posted previously, and you'll do very well.

(02-27-2010 11:14 AM)armanid27 Wrote:  If you're over 40 (and look your age) , then Colombia would be a better option for day game on HB 7.
19 year old colombianas love to scoop up older men 20 years their senior. I have not seen that with Argie girls.

Agreed. I would even say above 35

Solid advice.
I'm 33, so still under the 35-40+ age group, but getting closer.
I downloaded the Rosetta Stone software and Spanish (Latin America) language pack and I'm planning on devoting an hour a day over the next 4 months before I leave.

I'm willing to take dance classes but I'd rather work on day game versus club game.

How friendly will the day game sets be towards a 33 year old foreigner (American) with beginners Spanish in Cordoba and Medellin?

I don't understand why guys get hung up on age.

33 that's not old at all. I'm in my mid-twenties, but for guys age really is just a number. For women it is a whole different matter.

Guys are lucky, we can date and fuck well below our ages.

Of course, I think being the 50 year old guy at a college bar is pretty tacky, but there are guys who can pull it off.

As you get older, I'm guessing the emphasis is more on day game anyways.

If your game is tight enough and you have your shit together, a girl will rationalize away your age.

(02-28-2010 02:25 AM)Aspen Wrote:  Solid advice.
I'm 33, so still under the 35-40+ age group, but getting closer.
I downloaded the Rosetta Stone software and Spanish (Latin America) language pack and I'm planning on devoting an hour a day over the next 4 months before I leave.

I'm willing to take dance classes but I'd rather work on day game versus club game.

How friendly will the day game sets be towards a 33 year old foreigner (American) with beginners Spanish in Cordoba and Medellin?

Both cities it's important to be conversational in Spanish for day game. Both cities have tons of people that can speak a little in English but inevitably you will default to speaking Spanish if you want to get anywhere. Cordoba has superior opportunities for day game, since it's students who have tons of time on their hands. Keep in mind that Cordoba is mostly 18-22, so if you're looking for older girls I'd hit Medellin.

(02-28-2010 02:25 AM)Aspen Wrote:  How friendly will the day game sets be towards a 33 year old foreigner (American) with beginners Spanish in Cordoba and Medellin?

Dude in Cordoba, you'll be fine. My wing was 30, didn't know much Spanish, and he did very well.

(03-01-2010 03:19 AM)baberuth Wrote:  

(02-28-2010 02:25 AM)Aspen Wrote:  How friendly will the day game sets be towards a 33 year old foreigner (American) with beginners Spanish in Cordoba and Medellin?

Dude in Cordoba, you'll be fine. My wing was 30, didn't know much Spanish, and he did very well.

There are several factors to consider to answer this question:

1. How cool and confident are you?

2. How are your spanish skills? Can you make her laugh and blush? or can yiou only carry a basic spanish phrase to introduce yourself?

3. How do you look? Are you a trendy dresser or do you wear cargo shorts and sandals? Are you too skinny? too fat? or athletic?

4. Where does she live? she will not care about meeting a gringo who can't speak spanish if she is a higly educated and well traveled girl (high class).

5. The hotter she is, the more you have to offer in liofestyle and value to her among her peers.


6. The poorer she is, the more likely she is just using you to get out of her poor life.

7. If neither one of you can communicate, and she gives it up too easily, then know she is in it for gain, not for love.

(02-27-2010 04:33 AM)Aspen Wrote:  Cordoba sounds nice. With hot university students flooding the streets and parks. But it won't be so nice if I get blown out of every set because I can't speak Spanish and I'm too old in their eyes.

You wont get blown out so often. The problem is the opposite. You will get girls showing interest in you, genuine interest, you'll think everything is going great. Then when you go to call her a day or 2 later, nothing, dead silence. Not every single time, but the majority of the times.

Thats the biggest problem I've been having.
I've never had a girl not give me her number when I asked. And I've had very very few girls be rude to me.