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Kiev Report (2012)
I really didn't know what to make of Kiev before going in, especially with BigAlex's thread popping up literally the week before I went. I went from super high expectations follow Debauchery's promotions to super low expectations after BigAlex's. Nonetheless I was booked to go so I went with my buddy and spent 10 nights there. I'm 32, 5'11 and look white. My buddy is 33, 5'9 and looks Colombian/Middle Eastern. As discussed below, this is actually important.

Culture: Kiev is by far the most racist place I've ever been to. Everyone is openly racist, specifically towards black people and arabs especially people from Turkey. No idea why they hate black people, but they do. They hate the Turks because of the sex tourism these guys from Turkey do – come here and buy up the women. I, looking white, did much much better than my buddy who got asked multiple times if he's from Istanbul. I'm not trying to be a race troll or dissuade people from going if they are not white, but I feel it is important to know that you will have an uphill battle. My buddy still fucked a girl so it's not impossible, but I've just never seen such blatant racism so be prepared for it. It was to the point where it was comical; I'd ask girls what they thought of Turkish people just to get and watch the automatic disgust reaction on their faces. Every single time.

Next, English is not widespread there at all. You will find people that speak English, but there were plenty of times where I had girls repeat their standard phrase of "I don't understand" repeatedly until I gave up. Lots of hand gestures to get stuff, waiting at stores until the one English speaking worker had to come, etc. Right now I'm in Norway where everyone speaks English and Kiev is far, far from that.

Also, as the guy who picked us up from the airport put it, Kiev is the "white jungle." People will try to rip you off so just be aware. I knew bartenders were short changing me for example, but they were taking only about a dollar more so it was easier to just not argue. Cabbies will rip you off, have to negotiate prices ahead of time. Safety wise, I felt fine. The only remote incident was a guy flashing his gun at us when we were unknowingly talking to his drunk girlfriend at a club. However, I was always with another guy so obviously there are easier targets like lone travelers.

Lodging/Other: I got a very nice place off of central-kiev-apartments right on Kreshatik street near Independence Square. This was a huge huge benefit for us. We were walking distance to a lot of activities, dates, and clubs. It was very easy to get girls to come back whether after dates or from a club because of our location. Our balcony was high up and overlooked Kreshatik street so that was the easiest excuse to give to a girl for them to come up. Kiev generally is a cheap place, so if you can wing it spend some money on a nice place. We paid $125/night negotiated for our 2 bedroom pimp place.

Also, for a SIM card just go to any cell store and get a prepaid one. I got Kyivstar and just make sure to get on the plan for unlimited internet for a daily fee. First day I didn't do this and went through my hyrvnas in 12 hours. Next day had them put me on the better plan and it was cheap as hell.

Randomly, there is free wifi in abundance. Even on the streets sometime in public they had free wifi. Not expected but very welcome.

Costs: The exchange rate was something like 8 hyrvnas = $1. Overall, Kiev was pretty cheap. A taxi around the city center was about 50 hyrvnas. Shots of vodka range from 15 to 50 hyrvnas depending on where you are.

Food: Sucks. Ukranian food is not that great, though varenyky wasn't bad (stuffed dumpling things). Three places I recommend: (1) super cheap place cafeteria style is Puzata Hata, we ate there a lot because it was very close to us off of Kreshatik street; (2) Kureni – off the main road but it is pretty damn awesome setting. Like being in a village of sorts, and the food is amazing. Just go. (3) Pervak – near the Arena complex, can get fantastic "business lunches" for super cheap. Waitresses are pretty hot too.

Guys: Ugly ugly men. They are really no competition, they don't go after the girls really and just get drunk. I don't recall any cockblocking by them (as opposed to Poland let's say). Your other competition is foreign men. They are tougher though you will have no competition from the turks/arabs as the only girls that pay them any attention are the whores.

Girls: They are damn hot. Thin thin brunettes mostly with sharp features, though there is a strong contingent of girls that like dying their hair blonde. Very tall overall and love to dress it up. Heels, stockings and skirts or tight jeans was the norm. There were a lot of 8s and 9s in Kiev, more so than anywhere else I've seen except perhaps Russia. What this does is make the 7s more accessible and receptive than what you are used to. All the girls I got were in the 7 range, I couldn't crack it past the 8. They were either bitchy or prostitutes – for the most part not all of them. Had some interactions with 8s and maybe a makeout or two but all my real action came from 7s. And while I didn't get 8 or above, I also did not dip below a 7 as I didn't need to. I don't daygame but I think that would be a potentially better avenue to the higher end girls (of course you are familiar by now with Alex's report so it's not that easy by any stretch).

Personality wise, they are very feminine and completely believe the man should lead the interaction and assume the dominant role. Very traditional model they seek to employ, for example cooking and cleaning and having the men pay for everything. Buying drinks here for girls is considered a positive in their eyes. Touching is very accepted early in the conversation and if she is into you there will be barely any resistance. Often times after one or two sentences I had my hand on her back and if she was sitting next to me I'd have my arm kind of around her, legs touching, etc. Again this is if she's into you, I didn't go walking around touching random girls.

They are also jealous which I inadvertently found out, but it gets them very emotionally invested in you. However, you have to just sprinkle that jealousy in there, because too much and it will backfire. First example, this 19yo I had met and gone on a date with wanted to go out again at night, and I just didn't respond to her texts because I wanted to go hunting. She ended up showing up at the same club as me and I was already with another girl (had her at our table, talking to her). She saw this and texted me so I had to come up with some bullshit excuse as I had not banged the 19yo yet and wanted to. She was livid that I was with another girl and I had to calm her down, but ended up fucking her that night. Next example is my buddy and I pulled two girls from some club and bounced to another club with them. I found a girl standing alone, started chatting her up and went to the dance floor with her too. One of the girls we bounced with (mind you we had not even made out or anything) went apeshit that I was talking to another girl. We started making out and going at it hard after her outburst. Then however, my buddy tried to do the same thing (after he had made out with his girl from the two we bounced), and they saw and just got up and left. We lost out on the bang for pushing the jealousy thing too far that time.

The girls are very receptive to well dressed men. After I started going with blazers/suits I started getting a lot more attention. The 19yo I mention above basically was my girlfriend while I was there, and when I met her the first time after meeting her at the club, I was suited up and her and her friends just went nuts. One of the best feelings in the world, they were literally clawing at me like they've never seen a well-dressed guy. Also getting dressed up helps with the face control at clubs.

I love the fact that they barely eat. I had two separate girls tell me it's past 6pm and they will not eat food. One girl even said a girl's job is to be drunk and hungry. They are fully aware of their looks and know it is an asset.

Finally, I told the girls that I had moved to Kiev and was doing my work from there. I think that helped a lot to take down some of the girls, as they are suspect if you say you are just visiting. Also I didn’t have to lie about my age as they seemed to prefer that I was over 30. This applied even to the 18-19 year olds.

Tip 1: Watch out for scams. One girl my buddy pipelined tried to order herself a massive dinner when he told her we are just having drinks. He just got up and left her there when she did that. (Nice!)

Tip 2: If a girl tells you that you will have sex with her tomorrow as you are escalating, it's a lie you will never see her again. This happened to both my friend and myself. If they say that, go for the bang that night because I think that is their way of getting you to back off that night and then they either regret it or who cares why but you likely won't see them again.

Pipelining: My friend and I used ukrainedate and had multiple dates set up. Surprisingly the quality was not that bad and I got some action off of it. I had one girl tell me that 5-10 turkish guys message her a day and she just ignores it, again just another example of the racism. I also met up with some girls off of couchsurfing, but honestly it's just easier to go out and meet girls.

Game: Towards the end I had a pretty good grasp of what type of game works here. For me anyway, it was to be overly manly, very traditional (pay for drinks, tell them to make food, etc.), very aggressive with touching and escalation, and try to make them just a bit jealous. So my typically night approach would go: opener, if she hooks talk a bit flirtatiously, buy shots, maybe dance, buy more shots, do a 60years type lip stare, grab head and makeout, up the touching, try to bounce them.
Daygame: Just walk around Kreshatik, I doubt you will need to go anywhere else. As I've mentioned before I'm not a daygamer and even if I was I wouldn't make it here because I'd be out till 6am most nights and wouldn't wake up until 2pm - and at 32 it takes me almost until the next night to feel normal again.

Nightlife: There are a lot of options but we only made it to a few. Most people go out to the clubs/bars at around 12. Closing is 5-6am. Dress sharp to avoid face control. Check out their websites and facebooks that are usually pretty up to date with the nightly events. The vodka is super cheap but gave me worse hangovers. Towards the end we switched it up to whiskey and the hangovers were a lot better, but whisky is more expensive.

Vodka Bar was right next to our place so logistically it was hard to beat and we ended up here almost every night. Lots of turks/arabs go there and buy tables and take the girls with them (the girls seem to milk the drinks, but you can't approach them while they are at the table), so the total amount of girls is not really that high, but the ones there I found approachable. Drink downstairs, not upstairs as for whatever reasons the prices skyrocket on the upper level. If you buy the vodka bottle and redbull package, keep an eye on it because others will jack it. Tables there were 2000 hyrvnas deposit system where you get the table but have to spend 2000 hyrvnas.

Divan (don't know the exact spelling) is a pub type bar with live music by the Arena Complex. Lots of girls there and saw people hooking up. Good earlier type place as it closes/empties out by 12.

D'lux is the super high end club, went there on a Saturday night and got a table. I thought it was a complete waste. The minimum to spend was 5k hyrvnas which we couldn't go through but they were nice enough to give us alcohol to take home, which was useful. Girls were bitchy here and the quality was not even that much better. I do have to say though the girl they have singing at the lounge downstairs was like a siren. Gorgeous and her voice was so good I thought she was lip singing until I found out it was real. I was in awe. This was also where the dude flashed his gun at us for talking to his hot drunk girlfriend (she was walking alone). Extreme face control there, we suited up and had no problem.
Forsage we never went to, but they play more house/electronic music and it caters to a younger crowd of 18-25. Lots of girls I spoke to seemed to like it.

Arena club. Closed for renovations when I was there so didn't go, but was recommended by a lot of people.

Carribean club. Didn't go but heard it's fun.

Buddha Bar is quite the scene. Very nice place for a date I would have to say. Lots of really hot prostitutes go here. I don't P4P, but it is almost worth it to just come and see what goes on there. The girls are seriously 9s and they are whores and just wear dresses, dance and wait for guys to come up to them to proposition them. It's hilarious to see these girls reject guys, it's almost as if you need some type of game in addition to money to take down a 9 prostitute.

Date Ideas: I found a pretty good date setup by the end. Invite the girl for drinks (I stress drinks, not food). I'd have them meet me on Kreshatik somewhere towards the north by Mcdonalds for example. Walk north on Kreshatik and make a left on Maidan Nezalezhnosti, then a right on the first street Kost'ol'na Street. As you go up the slight hill there is a French café on the left. Go in there and go to the top floor, they show a French movie and have some paintings on the wall and most girls have never been. Order one round of drinks there before bouncing. Please note it is very hot up there so just be prepared (no sweater you can't take off for example). The French movie usually gives something to talk about especially with the language barriers.

After your first round here, take her to Buddha bar around the corner. Go all the way upstairs to the bar area and grab some couches/seats if you can. Make sure to order the drink for the girl and if you can convince her to have the caiprinha do it (strong alcohol and sugar gets them tipsier). Avoid ordering at the bar if you can as some of the bartenders are assholes. Once I ordered a redbull vodka for the girl and he turned to her and asked her what vodka she wanted in Russian. Again it's pretty cheap so the difference is like $2 but still.

After a round here, start walking back to your place. By this time it should be late and the underground passages to cross the streets will be empty. Optional to make out with the girl here, I did so. Otherwise take them back to your place which should be very close by. May find some struggle getting them up, but say to go look out your balcony, have a drink or once I even said I'm making tea if you want a cup before you go. Escalate hard once upstairs, basically follow Tuth's recipe.

Stories: Here are some of my stories from Kiev, which of course mostly center around girls…

The 19yo girlfriend: Met her at a club, when her friend grabbed me and through me into her. Later I found out she liked me but was too shy to come up. Anyway, talked for a few minutes and went right into making out on the couch. Very handsy and her friends came by and just watched us for a while and were giggling. Tried to get her home but she wouldn't, though split a cab with her and her friends. Two days later tried to setup a date and she said she was out at Divan and I should come meet up with her and her friends. I was suited up because we planned on going to D'lux so that was the night I went there and got mauled by her and her friends. Anyway the 3 19yos come back to my place, I end up going into my room with my girl and try to bang her but she says she's a virgin so I get a BJ. Other girls were partying all night. Best part? In the morning the girls cleaned the entire kitchen and did all the dishes before leaving. Let's see that happen in America. Next time I saw the 19yo was that jealousy night I described above. Let to banging her and I found out she was indeed a virgin (blood, no experience). Ended up seeing her quite a few times and banging her repeatedly. Came over once and made my buddy and I borscht too. Sweet girl, almost feel bad lying to her as she thinks I had to go back to US for work and will be back in a few weeks. Also ran into her friends on my last night there and they thanked me for taking her virginity.

The couchsurfer's promise: First night met up with a couchsurfer and her friends. Nothing much as we were tired, but interesting talking to our first Ukranian girl. Invited me out next night with her friend, went and her friend ended up leaving so it was just us two. For some reason I thought Ukranians would never have seen those Listerine mouth spritzers (ignorance) so I offered to show it to her. She knew what it was and took it as a sign that I wanted to kiss her and tried to tell me I should be spontaneous and not give a hint that I wanted to kiss her. Well no shit but whatever so we started making out at the bar, her grabbing my dick. She said she wanted to fuck me but not tonight since she had work early. Promised me sex tomorrow. Still tried to push for that night, but she wouldn't budge. Ended up flaking and never saw her again.

The female me: Again, met her at a club. She was alone partying by herself. Ended up drinking a ton with her, going back to my place and getting the SNL. She woke up at 6am frantic calling her dad because she had to be in class by 8 am. Met up with her again another night to get another bang session in. We go to Buddha bar and she's ready to party hard again. Drink, go back and bone and I'm trying to get her to leave so I can go out. She's very hesitant but eventually I get her to walk to the Metro and I see her go into the turnstiles. Meet up with my friend and we go to the club, and funny enough she's there and already with another guy. We see each other and I just laugh, considering I fucked her an hour ago and she's already with another guy. Super slut. But I give her credit, that's what I would do – bang, drink and then go out solo and get another girl.

The broken vagina: Met this girl pipelining, she turned out to have a banging body ok face. She was 5'8, 120lbs with boxgap and C breasts. Did my standard date, got a handjob. Next time tried cooking which didn't work but anyway went to bang and she spoke very little English and was trying to say that she cannot take a penis inside her right now for some reason. She assured me it's not a "danger" for me but that her vagina was broken. Whatever, got a blowjob from her though.

The producer: Overheard at Buddha bar, Midwest looking guy early 30s saying to two 8s… "Both of you, $500 and I get to videotape." Girls confer in Russian and say…. "Ok." Off they go.

The champagne sluts: Our last night, hit up the club and my buddy hooks some blonde with a great body ok face. Eventually I end up with her friend who looks like the Ukranian Daria (dorky glasses, black hair, I like that actually). Bounce them from the club to Vodka Bar next door to our apartment. Have a drink there, heavy makeouts and go back to our place and pop open a $3 bottle of champagne. Music blasting the girls are just drinking. Take my girl into the room and pound the shit out of her twice. Friend does the same with his girl. Girls are running around basically naked and love the Jacuzzi shower we have for some reason. Took turns using it giggling like schoolgirls. Woke up in the morning hungover as shit and having to pack and leave for Stockholm. The girls were inquiring as to where we were going since we told them we lived there and they got a bit pissed. Quite funny but damn they were crazy ass girls. My buddy's back was all tore up from nails and bites.

Conclusion: For me, Kiev was great. If you like superthin brunettes like I do, and love drinking, and clubs/bars, you'd like Kiev. I had a lot of success. In one 24 hour period I banged 3 different girls and got a BJ from the fourth (3/4 were works in progress or already hooked up with). I had a 19yo gf within a week. I think if I had more time I'd get into the 8+ range. But there are a lot of negatives too that should not be overlooked. Racism for one, I lucked out that I look white. My buddy for example did considerably worse. The language barrier is tough. There were a lot of google translate moments that killed the mood. It can get fucking cold in the winters apparently and superhot in the summers. People will try to cheat you as much as they can, including the girls. The food fucking sucks, I was popping pepto daily. There's peddlers and bums and crazy people all over the streets. Also, I do not think you can swoop in for a weekend and kill it. The culture is so different that you have to calibrate your game and I'd advise a week minimum if you really want to take advantage. Finally, in the spirit of BigAlexBoss who posted up some photos for a bit, I'll do the same. Here's a quick shot of some of the girls from the stories, I'll probably take it down in a short bit.

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Way to break it down.

Great trip report.
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I'm clicking the "Send to Kindle" button on slubu's reports to read them carefully. Good stuff. Thumb up

Only thing is your picture is too wide, so it makes your report hard to read. I recommend removing it in your report (Control Panel > Manage Attachments) and putting it in a reply instead.

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Makes sense Roosh, I'll delete it up there and put it here instead. Also resized it so hopefully it works.

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So how many girls did you bang in 10 days? 4 chicks (i know one only gave a bj) in 24 hours in Ukraine is a great number. I had a good friend that went there and he said that it wasnt easy as other places, im impressed by your numbers.
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Banged 3 different girls and got a BJ in a 24 hour period with zero Russian?! That must be some kind of record.
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Great report.
Can you give us an estimate of how much total $'s the 2 of you would have spent over the 10 days, excluding travel to and from Kiev? Thanks.
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(10-20-2012 01:38 PM)pitt Wrote:  So how many girls did you bang in 10 days? 4 chicks (i know one only gave a bj) in 24 hours in Ukraine is a great number. I had a good friend that went there and he said that it wasnt easy as other places, im impressed by your numbers.
Those 3. Like I said I struggled the first 4-5 days until it sort of clicked. I talked to a bunch of guys too that all struggled, for whatever reason my style/look works there. This is part of a larger trip and I struck out (0) in Poland and Sweden and struggling here in Norway. That's why everyone has to travel to find their own areas. I thought I'd kill it in Colombia and struck out. I thought Poland and Norway would be cake and nothing, whereas Kiev worked for me. Go travel folks, only way you can find out for sure.

I also met some guys from California one night there when I went to Divan to meet my 19yo. They had been living there for a few months and I could tell the way the 19yo greeted me and was making out with me they were somewhat shocked. Not everyone succeeds where others do, and I saw that firsthand with my buddy. He for example is doing way better here in Scandanavia.

(10-20-2012 02:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Banged 3 different girls and got a BJ in a 24 hour period with zero Russian?! That must be some kind of record.

Ha, thanks. Yup no Russian. This was my last 24 hours in Kiev so I tried to see all the girls I had already. Just panned out that way in the end. The 19yo spoke decent English, the other 3 not so much (female me, champagne girl, broken vagina).

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Slubu how long did you stay in Poland and what part of Poland were you in? I find it strange that you didnt do well in Poland when you did well in NY and Ukraine. Poland is known to be one of the easiest places in Europe to get laid.

For example, you say that NY is super easy, i usually do pretty well whatever i go to and when i went to NY, i stayed there for 1 month and only fucked 2 girls. Although i only put really hard work on my first week (which i didnt get laid, i also didnt get laid on my second week there) but my logistics were pretty fucked (stayed in staten island, i couldnt approach around there because my friend didnt want me to get in trouble there, i had to go game in brooklyn,etc).
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(10-20-2012 03:27 PM)slubu Wrote:  
(10-20-2012 01:38 PM)pitt Wrote:  So how many girls did you bang in 10 days? 4 chicks (i know one only gave a bj) in 24 hours in Ukraine is a great number. I had a good friend that went there and he said that it wasnt easy as other places, im impressed by your numbers.
Those 3. Like I said I struggled the first 4-5 days until it sort of clicked. I talked to a bunch of guys too that all struggled, for whatever reason my style/look works there. This is part of a larger trip and I struck out (0) in Poland and Sweden and struggling here in Norway. That's why everyone has to travel to find their own areas. I thought I'd kill it in Colombia and struck out. I thought Poland and Norway would be cake and nothing, whereas Kiev worked for me. Go travel folks, only way you can find out for sure.

I also met some guys from California one night there when I went to Divan to meet my 19yo. They had been living there for a few months and I could tell the way the 19yo greeted me and was making out with me they were somewhat shocked. Not everyone succeeds where others do, and I saw that firsthand with my buddy. He for example is doing way better here in Scandanavia.

(10-20-2012 02:28 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  Banged 3 different girls and got a BJ in a 24 hour period with zero Russian?! That must be some kind of record.

Ha, thanks. Yup no Russian. This was my last 24 hours in Kiev so I tried to see all the girls I had already. Just panned out that way in the end. The 19yo spoke decent English, the other 3 not so much (female me, champagne girl, broken vagina).

Nice post slubu and you make some good points. Every country or even city will work differently for each of us, based on look, style, game, logistics.
One thing that is universal though is logistics. It wont create the bang, but it helps sealing the deal big time. Seems like you had a killer pad in both kiev and new york city. Though not sure how good or bad your logistics were in the countries where you struck out. Would be nice to know.
It is interesting to see how many variables are at play in terms of doing well in a city or country. Even 1 or 2 years is enough to change the situation on the ground, in any given place. That is why these new and updated reports and data sheets are so valuable.
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Happy days. Thanks so much slubu, your timing is perfect. I arrive on Monday and will be there for 1 month. I am also right next to Vodka bar.
My personality type worked perfectly in Moscow. I do not have an agressive bone in my body (in a sexual way) so let's see how badly I fail compared to your more caveman approach Smile

Slubu is there a better night to go out? For examples Wednesdays/ Thursays. One thing about Moscow is that nothing really kicks off until the weekend.

Any people out there the same time as me feel free to get in touch.
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Maybe I should have gone to Kiev than Kharkov. I got no ONS in Kharkov and had to work like a dog. The vibe/scene you describe in Kiev was more sedate in Kharkov, where girls were less thirsty (compared to your report).

I don't know if I mentioned this in the past, but many girls thought I was lying when I said I was from the States (they thought Turkey). A few asked to see my passport. My appearance didn't help me in Ukraine, though in points west, even in Lithuania, it did.

In Ukraine, it seems that the best look is similar to Brazil (fair skinned).

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I liked "the producer" character! I think it's the easiest approach in Kiev. I bet he invested much less time and effort in the bang and banged two girls plus got a little souvenir to take home!

Racism is a social norm in Ukraine and Russia. Just like girls washing dirty dishes in your apartment. Americans are always so surprised about that.
10-21-2012 04:29 PM
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(10-21-2012 01:51 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Maybe I should have gone to Kiev than Kharkov. I got no ONS in Kharkov and had to work like a dog. The vibe/scene you describe in Kiev was more sedate in Kharkov, where girls were less thirsty (compared to your report).

I don't know if I mentioned this in the past, but many girls thought I was lying when I said I was from the States (they thought Turkey). A few asked to see my passport. My appearance didn't help me in Ukraine, though in points west, even in Lithuania, it did.

In Ukraine, it seems that the best look is similar to Brazil (fair skinned).
Roosh you need to understand Kiev is ukraine like NYC is America.
You also need to realize they are mostly exceeding with chicks that g out seeking foreigners because they are meeting in bars i n the center that draw foreigners and wealthy locals. I mean they are spending in 1 night what a local with a great job makes in a week. The young college students have no money. i am curious how come no one asks them why and how they entered the club?Most chicks who live in Kiev can't afford to go out often and WE end up paying for their entertainment In Kharkiv o n the other hand the places cater to locals , mostly who speak no English. i am sure if you found an expat bar/club there you would realize majority of girls there are open to Americans. Go to left bank night club i n kiev I am pretty sure it will seem like a Kharkiv club. If you go to Buddha bar, D'Lux its like going to 111 or river palace 8 years ago. I am glad you stuck with Kharkiv because its authentic test of how Ukraine or majority of Russia will be. he also mentions how cheap Kiev is, it isn't cheap not night life anyway so its reletive .Hes into partying in L.A and NYC so yeah anything else wil l be considered cheap in comparison. its great if you like spending money to party. 100 dollars i na club i nkiev is = to spending 1500 dollars in L.A. if you go based on local salary. 15 years ago it was the norm for every girl to put out if you spent that o n them in clubs/bars but they learned that they could drink free without putting out so i appreciate that Slubu atleast makes them pay i n the bedroom ,lol.
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Awesome report man. +1 from me.
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(10-20-2012 03:19 PM)Antipodean Wrote:  Great report.
Can you give us an estimate of how much total $'s the 2 of you would have spent over the 10 days, excluding travel to and from Kiev? Thanks.

Including housing, I'd say we spent between $250-300 daily combined for both of us. That would cover housing as stated, food, dates, and going out. We went out every night.

(10-20-2012 05:13 PM)pitt Wrote:  Slubu how long did you stay in Poland and what part of Poland were you in?
Poznan for three nights. After this trip I had I'm convinced the "look" you have plays an important role in things. It obviously can be overcome, but you start off at a disadvantage. Also important is cracking the code so to speak, which I firmly believe takes over 4 days or so minimum to do so. Calibrating the game is quite important. I had girls very unresponsive to early touching in Poland, whereas the opposite was true in Kiev.

(10-20-2012 09:20 PM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  One thing that is universal though is logistics. It wont create the bang, but it helps sealing the deal big time. Seems like you had a killer pad in both kiev and new york city. Though not sure how good or bad your logistics were in the countries where you struck out. Would be nice to know.

I almost lost the bang from Oktoberfest because my place was a hike away but other than that logistics didn't play a big role. My place was close enough to all of the venues we hit and my striking out didn't happen because the girls wouldn't come back, but rather I didn't get them to that point of choosing to do so.

(10-21-2012 07:35 AM)gadabout Wrote:  I do not have an agressive bone in my body (in a sexual way) so let's see how badly I fail compared to your more caveman approach Smile

Slubu is there a better night to go out? For examples Wednesdays/ Thursays. One thing about Moscow is that nothing really kicks off until the weekend.

From my experience none of the girls are going to be aggressive or make any moves, so you will have to. As for when to go out, there is stuff going on every night of the week and I found it busy. I went out every night I was there and there was stuff going on. Check out the clubs/bars facebook pages for what events are going on.

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(10-21-2012 01:51 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Maybe I should have gone to Kiev than Kharkov. I got no ONS in Kharkov and had to work like a dog. The vibe/scene you describe in Kiev was more sedate in Kharkov, where girls were less thirsty (compared to your report).

I don't know if I mentioned this in the past, but many girls thought I was lying when I said I was from the States (they thought Turkey). A few asked to see my passport. My appearance didn't help me in Ukraine, though in points west, even in Lithuania, it did.

In Ukraine, it seems that the best look is similar to Brazil (fair skinned).

Like jimkur mentions below, I did get a kind of NYC feel from Kiev. Girls there drink and party, it's a big nice city (seriously I was amazed at how picturesque Kreshatik street is), and things are happening every night of the week. Also carries with it the negatives of everyone trying to scam you.

The honest truth is in a place like Ukraine with their outward racism, your appearance likely did hurt you. My friend got asked repeatedly "are you from istanbul?" There were many times where I'd be talking to some girl and see him just standing around. He went home a few times earlier than I because he couldn't get a prospect hooked whatsoever. He got face controlled at one club until the bouncer overheard us talking English to some girls about how we were from California and he finally let my friend in. It's a harsh reality. It's probably not a coincidence that I did really well in Brazil and Ukraine since I'm fair skinned.

But there's the flip side to that too. Just spent 10 days in Norway/Sweden and the most I got was a few fat girls trying to make out with me. My friend would get eye-fucked as we walked through the bars/clubs and had 8s buying him drinks and jacking him off on the dance floor. Though neither of us banged.

(10-21-2012 05:16 PM)jimukr104 Wrote:  I mean they are spending in 1 night what a local with a great job makes in a week. The young college students have no money. i am curious how come no one asks them why and how they entered the club?Most chicks who live in Kiev can't afford to go out often and WE end up paying for their entertainment In Kharkiv o n the other hand the places cater to locals , mostly who speak no English. i am sure if you found an expat bar/club there you would realize majority of girls there are open to Americans. Go to left bank night club i n kiev I am pretty sure it will seem like a Kharkiv club. If you go to Buddha bar, D'Lux its like going to 111 or river palace 8 years ago. I am glad you stuck with Kharkiv because its authentic test of how Ukraine or majority of Russia will be. he also mentions how cheap Kiev is, it isn't cheap not night life anyway so its reletive .Hes into partying in L.A and NYC so yeah anything else wil l be considered cheap in comparison. its great if you like spending money to party. 100 dollars i na club i nkiev is = to spending 1500 dollars in L.A. if you go based on local salary. 15 years ago it was the norm for every girl to put out if you spent that o n them in clubs/bars but they learned that they could drink free without putting out so i appreciate that Slubu atleast makes them pay i n the bedroom ,lol.

There's no denying we were throwing around some money, at least in terms of what people spend there. For us it was cheap, going from $12 mixed drinks in LA to $2 vodka shots at a club there. We dressed it up too. For example, we wore suits to D'lux and the bouncer asked where we had heard of this club from just told him our friends in Kiev we are from California and he let us in. This is right after he face controlled a few guys in front of us but granted they were dressed in Ed Hardy type clothes.

And yes they have to put out. I wrote somewhere above where I'd approach, buy one round of drinks, then go for makeout, and THEN continue buying drinks. Meaning I'd need some sort of investment from them too before continuing.

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best data writer in the business... +1
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sluzu 4 days is not enough to judge your success in one city, some cultures takes few weeks for you to adapt to the local game.
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ok i am going to give a bunch of useless info that MIGHT actually help our dark skin friends. Ok here goes. When you tell a girl you are an American with Turkish ancestry that MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. I guess they relate the sex tourists even to anything related to Turks. For all they know you are the American brother who runs the sex slave ring stateside, i dunno. Now i am going to give you a way to become neutral i n her eyes and maybe win points(even trumping the pale faces).
First shave DAMN beard, only people who have the m like that in FSU are poor villagers or Chechen rebels. You do not want to come across as either.
Yo u will say you are American who ancestry comes from either Bulgaria or georgia. They both will work. In fact up until end of communism ,Georgians were one of the most sort after guys i n the FSU. They are considered manly and strong. Not sure if the Russian-Georgian war ruined the image , however Ukraine POLITICALLY is friendly towards goergians. They use to be like SEX SYMBOLS. They are darker featured, however get rid of beard and stache. Georgia is Stalin ,expensive wine and Orthodox Christianity(84%). Russia has even had pop music stars and actors fro m the region. if you can pull it off ,it should disarm girls. After all historically girls went there looking for guys not vice a versa.
Bulgaria can also work, ex warsaw pact country so same vibe ,they usually darker as well, only thing is I do not think they have the historic allure that Georgians have. But nothing negative, they are x comrads.
i better get rep points for this from Roosh himself Wink
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First impressions are good. Much easier to move around. Nice feel to it and is an attractive city. I am about 10 minutes walk to the main square so no more taxis. Everything appears to be considerably cheaper than Moscow, thank god. Plenty of targets with lot's of eye contact. Had a touch of approach anxiety today so will see how I feel after a good nights sleep. I am hearing quite a few English speakers around compared to Moscow which is probably not a good thing. Saw a few black dudes openly approaching girls in the street.
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This is interesting... Scandinavia was much harder for you than Ukraine, when for me it was the exact opposite. There's a lesson in this: individual variance is the great determining factor of how you'll do, and reports online can only act as a guide.

Quote:First shave DAMN beard,

Guys think that I look different when I shave the beard, but if anything it makes me look more Turkish because my eyebrows appear thicker. Shaving the beard does not shave the Turk away.

Also I met a Russian girl this weekend and I asked her about how Turkish men are received in Russia vs Ukraine. She said in Russia, especially Siberia, there is no stigma that she knows of, and that I should "do well." Considering that Ukraine is Turkey's bordello, I expect it can't get worse than there.

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Roosh, you ever consider doing an experiment to see the different reactions you'd get by shaving the beard (or at least drastically thinning it out to like a 1 week stubble beard) and putting in some blue contact lens. IMO, just from seeing your pics/videos, it's your eyes that make you look Turkish. The full beard just reinforces the perception.
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(10-22-2012 12:59 PM)Big Nilla Wrote:  Roosh, you ever consider doing an experiment to see the different reactions you'd get by shaving the beard (or at least drastically thinning it out to like a 1 week stubble beard) and putting in some blue contact lens. IMO, just from seeing your pics/videos, it's your eyes that make you look Turkish. The full beard just reinforces the perception.
How do his eyes make him look Turk?

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Having spent some months in Turkey I feel like I should add my 2cents on the topic.
The number of marriages between Turks and Russian is higher than you may suspect.

I heard many time, both from girls and boys that: "Russian girls love Turkish man".
Thing is this may be not true in Ukraine or Russia mainland because they probably feel the social stigma of dating non-European man, but this doesn't apply in Turkey.
When slavic girls hit the beach resorts of Antalya, Bodrum, Kemer, Izmir and Alanya they often have some kind of relations with the locals, that often use super-direct game and compliment them a lot.
In Istanbul it's the same, there is a number of Russians/Ukranian girls that found local men as boyfriends, sponsors or husbands.

This is to say that I don't think slavic girls don't like the middle eastern/turkish guys per se', but they probably shut them down because of social pressure or poor game and looks.

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