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Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Some good data out of MIT form the 90s.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/ha...eport.html

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On a side note: Meg Whitman has never created shit. She came out of Bain consulting to run eBay in the late 90s after it was already established and in the black.
11-29-2014 03:45 PM
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
I remember one cute Goth chick in my computer science class who was also a part-time lesbian. Had the tats, tongue piercing, etc. She would come over to my place, copy my code and I would bang her.

There really is nothing stopping women from graduating with CS degrees.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
This is such a crock. Women could secretly learn code online, create apps or whatever anonymously, pretend to be a man, and no one would notice. But they dont, because they simply dont want to. Norway has the greatest gender equality in the world, and the greatest gender gap in professions.

Quote:Think of what we see in movies, television -- or in the news. The entertainment industry rarely portrays "tech" characters with anyone young girls easily identity with

So what did the first tech men do when they had no role models?
11-29-2014 05:56 PM
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
The great thing about developing software and games, and learning programing, is that you don't have to go anywhere near a university to get started and advance. Once you know what you're doing, you'll quickly realize that companies list those high requirements for applying just to keep the riff raff away.

Any girl / woman could do what I did and countless others have done - teach themselves. But most of these articles focus on the credentialism and titles, not the fact that you must actually write something in a programming language to be called a coder.

Its the typical "wanting to break barriers and glass ceilings" without looking at the downside of being a man: dying in wars, violence, prison, suicide, losing your shit in a divorce, being held accountable for your actions, having to prove yourself by actually knowing what the fuck you're doing.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Computer programming is almost entirely logical thinking. It requires you to be completely immersed in rational, non emotional thinking for hours. As we've all probably experienced, women's eyes begin to gloss over after about a minute of explaining any hard science. It simply bores almost all women, in the same way almost all men are bored to death with minute details about who said what to whom.
11-29-2014 07:34 PM
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
(11-29-2014 03:45 PM)Ensam Wrote:  Some good data out of MIT form the 90s.
http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/ha...eport.html

[Image: final-report18.gif]

On a side note: Meg Whitman has never created shit. She came out of Bain consulting to run eBay in the late 90s after it was already established and in the black.

Interesting, I should've looked up more info on her. I didn't think she created Ebay by herself, but I had thought she was there at the start.

(11-29-2014 06:08 PM)supadoopa_paratroopa Wrote:  The great thing about developing software and games, and learning programing, is that you don't have to go anywhere near a university to get started and advance. Once you know what you're doing, you'll quickly realize that companies list those high requirements for applying just to keep the riff raff away.

Any girl / woman could do what I did and countless others have done - teach themselves. But most of these articles focus on the credentialism and titles, not the fact that you must actually write something in a programming language to be called a coder.

Yup, I've worked with a few computer programmers who were self taught, some didn't even finish college. Great guys, very smart, work their asses off.

Quote:Its the typical "wanting to break barriers and glass ceilings" without looking at the downside of being a man: dying in wars, violence, prison, suicide, losing your shit in a divorce, being held accountable for your actions, having to prove yourself by actually knowing what the fuck you're doing.

Well, that's why we don't see them advocating gender equality in coal mining, farming, garbage collector, and general construction jobs. Jobs that can pay well yet are physically challenging and unglamorous? Nah, men can do all that.

Being feminine and taking care of yourself is a good thing, and men who appreciate these qualities are not the enemies of women.

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(11-29-2014 05:56 PM)zaqan Wrote:  This is such a crock. Women could secretly learn code online, create apps or whatever anonymously, pretend to be a man, and no one would notice. But they dont, because they simply dont want to.

They don't want to be the exceptions to the rule that make women as a sex look smarter and more accomplished - they want to be the ones who publicly bitch about the lack of exceptions to the rule that make women as a sex look smarter and more accomplished, thereby fulfilling the negative stereotypes about their sex.

Standard woman logic.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Don't forget the one from Halt and Catch Fire

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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
An overlooked aspect of arguments like these- why is it considered a problem that programmers are mostly men? Who is harmed or victimized by this being the case?

If the tech industry needs more women, does the NBA need more white guys?
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(12-01-2014 10:16 PM)DrewP Wrote:  An overlooked aspect of arguments like these- why is it considered a problem that programmers are mostly men? Who is harmed or victimized by this being the case?

If the tech industry needs more women, does the NBA need more white guys?

I wonder why they don't demand more women in waste disposal and infrastructure maintenance? I would wager it has a lot to do with the big number of 200k desk-jobs, which women would love to have, but unfortunately have no desire to learn to be good at.
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(12-01-2014 10:16 PM)DrewP Wrote:  If the tech industry needs more women, does the NBA need more white guys?

No, it needs more women!! Big Grin

Unfortunately, NBA cheerleaders send the wrong message to women, and this rampant sexism discourages girls from getting involved in the NBA.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Coding is hard, from what I have done with it. I never took any classes or anything like that, just dived in and piecemeal-ed something together from different online tutorials.
The hardest part, was once I had something with basic functionality, was trying to find the bugs in the code, which took dedication to compiling over and over again. It took me days to find and fix the simplest shit, just to get a basic function.
I don't think most women are up to that task, BUT the best resource that explained everything easily and simply for me to understand, was written by a woman. Go figure.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Let us not forget young Angelina Jolie in the movie Hackers:
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(12-02-2014 08:22 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  Let us not forget young Angelina Jolie in the movie Hackers:
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
(12-01-2014 10:16 PM)DrewP Wrote:  An overlooked aspect of arguments like these- why is it considered a problem that programmers are mostly men? Who is harmed or victimized by this being the case?

If the tech industry needs more women, does the NBA need more white guys?

It is probably as you say the job itself that today's feminists are worried about, but they should be more worried about the industry as a whole. "Disruption" as practiced in modern tech can very seriously damage their silly causes. Just like cab companies and hotel chains can be taken out, or at least taken down several pegs by new upstarts tech and allied industries can "take out" modern feminism because the problem with modern feminism is that it is largely unhinged and has pretty much no foundation to speak of. It is just "complaining about nothing", or rather complaining for it's own sake, the thing complained about being irrelevant.

Feminism's problem is that they are being misled by modern tech titans who seem to support them (Gates, Zuckerberg, the Google twins etc.). But it only seems that way. In reality they are more Libertarian than Liberal (with the exception, maybe, of Gates), and anyway are not in a position to protect feminists from reality.

This is just a long way of saying that "disruption" works when daily practice diverges from objective reality in a big way. To disrupters this offers an absolute goldmine of opportunity, in money, fame and so on. I call it "reality arbitrage". Feminists have good reason to be wary of tech, since they find themselves in the same position established taxi companies do vis-a-vis Uber, for example. the emperor is wearing no clothes, and there are literally 100,000's of people (almost exclusively male) ready to pounce on opportunities to point this out for profit, or even just for shits and giggles.

As for the idea of women coders... there are definitely women who would have the math aptitude to be able to do this, but as others have said the sheer bloody mindedness needed to work hour after hour day after day at such high level abstraction would not suit literally 99.99999% of women. They are probably going to find more joy in designing user interfaces, sales and consulting in general.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Same reason they avoid STEM in general: it's dominated by the types of men they don't want to date or marry.
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RE: Why girls don't like to code (SJW explanation)
Mens' brains are built for problem solving.
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