Post: #1

Cooking for women, what is your opinion on this one?

First let me lay the context so you can situate the question. Recently ended a four year relationship (about a month ago) and have been on a splatter spree ever since. I have been steadily banging at least three girls at any given time for the past two months, all pretty hot; not the same three, the sex rotation usually gets a new one, or two in, with one being naturally eased out, or she moves or something.

I have found myself doing it a few times over the past few weeks. It is for the most part a practical consideration.
a) I am broke, and better to eat my own food, be it french toast in the morning, or a trout in the evening, than a 15 dollar burger that is going to be huge and give me the shits in about 45 minutes.
b) I am a good cook, and a better cook than any girl I know
c) I am usually hungry and sometimes hung-over in the morning after a good bang.
d) with all of the sex I have been having (havent slept at home very often at all) there is usually little to no food at my house

Also it is a game consideration.
a) going out to eat blows ass in terms of chemistry, game opportunities,
b) but for the most part this hinges on the fact that you are in their house, she is comfortable, and you can escalate rather quickly (seriously -> a good 'taste this' followed by a kiss or jokingly --> slap her ass while she chops garlic)

Sounds like a good thing right?
The problem in mind that I am thinking is that it kind of seems like a beta practice. Cooking, for some reason has a feminine stigma in either the nuclear family culture in North America, or machismo culture in Latin America or eastern europe. Also, morning after cooking tends to send a signal, to the tune of hey get used to me, I am going to be your boyfriend or some shit. It also kind of seems a bit corny, cooking for a woman, like you move into some stereotype.

Opinions? Your own experiences?

Post: #2

(06-09-2009 12:42 AM)College Game Wrote:  The problem in mind that I am thinking is that it kind of seems like a beta practice. Cooking, for some reason has a feminine stigma in either the nuclear family culture in North America, or machismo culture in Latin America or eastern europe. Also, morning after cooking tends to send a signal, to the tune of hey get used to me, I am going to be your boyfriend or some shit. It also kind of seems a bit corny, cooking for a woman, like you move into some stereotype.

Opinions? Your own experiences?

C'mon - whatever gets you to seal the deal. I find cooking for women to be a great aphrodisiac for both, and girls love it. Never fails.

Post: #3

Whenever a girl watches me cook she gets a female boner! No joke. Some sort of clit boner.

The way I see it, I cook better than most girls I've been with, so I would rather cook mainly because I enjoy it, and because I prefer what I make over what the girl makes, usually. The thing I do though is make them wash the dishes, and do my fuckin laundry. I (kinda) kid on the second part, although I had a girlfriend who would do my laundry every now and then.

I think if you enjoy making food, do it. Your girl will get a clit boner, and she will fuckin grab you hard when you pound her because she knows she's with a guy that isn't worried about labels. She knows the average dude doesn't know how to cook and it's basically a form of seduction.

Because the key here is that you're cooking for your OWN enjoyment. You're not cooking to please her, and I think girl's sense and like that kind of stuff.

Post: #4

My opinion is you never cook for a chick that you're just trying to have sex with. For one they're not worth the invested time to impress that way since you won't be seeing them again or for very long. Secondly, I think it sends the wrong message because some women seem to think a guy cooking "for them" is a sign of strong interest and possible LTR.

If you want to cook for a chick it shouldn't happen right after the first bang (maybe the 3rd, 4th, or 5th bang). And to keep it from coming across as Beta let her know you're an awesome cook and that she has to work for the priviledge of sampling your fine culinary skills. I've done this before and eventually they end up begging for it like lap dogs. Especially the broke ones that are always in search of a free meal anyhow.

On a side note I had cooked for a chick one time and she ended up sucking my cock for "dessert". I guess it's all in how you play it.

Post: #5

(06-09-2009 12:23 PM)Trotter Wrote:  My opinion is you never cook for a chick that you're just trying to have sex with. For one they're not worth the invested time to impress that way since you won't be seeing them again or for very long. Secondly, I think it sends the wrong message because some women seem to think a guy cooking "for them" is a sign of strong interest and possible LTR.

If you want to cook for a chick it shouldn't happen right after the first bang (maybe the 3rd, 4th, or 5th bang). And to keep it from coming across as Beta let her know you're an awesome cook and that she has to work for the priviledge of sampling your fine culinary skills. I've done this before and eventually they end up begging for it like lap dogs. Especially the broke ones that are always in search of a free meal anyhow.

On a side note I had cooked for a chick one time and she ended up sucking my cock for "dessert". I guess it's all in how you play it.

What I see all the time is that guys who are not comfortable with their cooking skills think that this is beta. I cooked for girls BEFORE banging them, and really TO bang them. It's definitely a form of seduction and needs to be applied like any other form of seduction: nonchallantly, naturally, without trying to impress and with confidence. How is it Beta then? How is it different from conversation or dancing? Use whatever skills you've got, what matters is how you apply them.

Post: #6

It all depends on the delivery. If you bang a girl and then make breakfast for her in the morning (but why is she fucking there in the morning is beyond me) then that wouldn't be Beta.

If you run around telling a girl "I want to cook for you, I want to cook for you!" that's Beta.

If you lure a girl into asking you to cook for her "My cooking is too good for you." that's not Beta.

Post: #7

(06-09-2009 02:15 PM)Trotter Wrote:  It all depends on the delivery. If you bang a girl and then make breakfast for her in the morning (but why is she fucking there in the morning is beyond me) then that wouldn't be Beta.

If you run around telling a girl "I want to cook for you, I want to cook for you!" that's Beta.

If you lure a girl into asking you to cook for her "My cooking is too good for you." that's not Beta.

Absolutely. I agree that the first two behaviors ARE Beta. The third is not the only not Beta cooking though It should come naturally and you should be in control - that's what makes Alpha an Alpha, and not kicking her out after baniging or not showing her any respect. Your ability to be in control and comfortable with what you do is Alpha - the rest is BS and overcompensating.

Post: #8

I don't care if cooking is beta because my bedroom is 20 feet from the kitchen and it's a GUARANTEE that she will end up there after we eat. Since cooking dates have a high liklihood of ending is sex, cooking for girls is therefore alpha.

Only thing is to cook light meals. You want that alcohol to absorb. That won't happen if you make meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

Post: #9

(06-09-2009 06:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I don't care if cooking is beta because my bedroom is 20 feet from the kitchen and it's a GUARANTEE that she will end up there after we eat. Since cooking dates have a high liklihood of ending is sex, cooking for girls is therefore alpha.

Only thing is to cook light meals. You want that alcohol to absorb. That won't happen if you make meatloaf and mashed potatoes.

Word. No Beta.

Also, eating heavy meaty meals make both of your breaths smell like shit. I agree, stick to something light.

Post: #10

It can be read both ways, alpha or beta.
Much like eating pussy can be read both ways, dominant or submissive.
She could brag to her girlfriends that you're a good cook, better than her. I'm not sure if that's what I want her telling Heather, Shiva, Keisha, Chun Li, and Maria.

As a tool in your arsenal, it's a deal sealer in my opinion. It's easy to fuck a chick after you feed her.

The question is does it push her to think of you as LTR or ONS material?

Being able to cook well, and you aren't a chef, I would think pushes you in LTR status for her.
And depending on where you are in your game, that can be a good or a bad thing.

Post: #11

(06-12-2009 11:51 PM)broken Wrote:  The question is does it push her to think of you as LTR or ONS material?

Being able to cook well, and you aren't a chef, I would think pushes you in LTR status for her.
And depending on where you are in your game, that can be a good or a bad thing.

Not sure if this is really true. I think that things other than you cooking for her will automatically give you an LTR status. It's a combination of several factors, including for example how much she likes you in bed and how compatible you are with her friends, etc, etc.

Post: #12

Quote:The question is does it push her to think of you as LTR or ONS material?

If you bust out with a vase of flowers, scented candles, and dim lighting, the maybe. But if you make her a stir fry then tell her to grab a beer on the way to your bedroom, most likely not.

Post: #13

Cooking is a good seduction technique imo. The only way you can go wrong is by cooking BAD FOOD. Master one recipe and that's really all you'll need, even if that's all you make do one thing and do it well.

Post: #14

Thanks for asking this question.

Post: #15

Women like great meals. It sets off switches in their brains. I would favor cooking a light meal for a girl. Keep the wine flowing at a constant rate, have a sweet album on in the background and a subtle candle.

If you want to cook for a girl and think that what I suggested above is beta try this: cook for a girl on a hike. In Boulder, CO there are hikes in the Flatirons that are really easy -- at most 3 miles round trip. You get to hike up 1.5 miles, get a camping stove out, frying pan and shrimp, chicken and some veggies. Also bring a bottle of wine or a hot drink that you can put liquor in. And you can view the Boulder skyline. If you are a flatlander go to a park and do the same.

Post: #16

I like to eat. A lot, for a girl in my body structure.
A man who can cook, with me, for me, besides me... hunnnnn
Homemade food is traditional for me!

Post: #17

Cooking is instant isolation, easy seduction. You cook a light meal, but don't have her sit on the couch watching tv while you do it. Tell her to hand you this, hand you that, chop this, watch that, etc. She'll want to watch you work once you get her involved a little. Watching a man take charge, whether it's on a car, building a chair, cooking a meal, gets a woman wet.

Cooking stopped being absolutely beta once Emeril came along.

Post: #18

Yeah. What part of Gordon Ramsay is beta? Ha!

I agree with the previous writers: have her watch you cooking and maybe offer some help (chicks nowadays in western countries cant do shit so keep it simple). And in the morning it's a classic when you prepare a good breakfast wearing nothing more than an appron.

General comment about seduction and divide being beta/alpha behaviour: Just like someone noted, it's about what you like to do yourself! If you like to cook and you are good at it, don't let anyone tell you it's beta of it's feminine. That's just BS. It's a modern world and both men and women can do what they want. When people are confident and do what they want, that's perceived as sexy. On the other hand, if you are not comfortable in the kitchen at all, maybe the cooking route is not the best one to go..

Post: #19

I've fucked a lot of girls after cooking for them. I'm a pretty bomb cook.

And like Roosh said, the bedroom is right there. It works out pretty well for me. I never make it a big deal though. I just say, "I'm starting to get hungry, I was thinking about cooking some ____ tonight, care to join?" Or the like. Don't make it sound like you are going out of your way to cook a meal for her.

Post: #20

One awesome side effect of the equal rights movement and betaization of society? Men have to learn how to cook, and goddamn do women love it. If you can't cook, learn.

Like several of you in the thread, I'm a great cook. Cooking for a woman seems Beta but it's not (DHV), and women want the best of both worlds; Beta provider and Alpha lover, this we know. Cooking shows both.

I've sealed much ass after whipping up a great meal for a girl, they love it. It's especially potent in college (if you can afford it) because it's an actual meal and not Ramen noodles or coffee. Any posters in college, if you like a girl line her up and skip the binge drinking for a few days before and use the cash to get some good food and cook something for her.

It's not something I just 'do' for a girl, she has to be at least more than a few bangs over a few weeks to get the treatment, but still, it's something I'm up for.

I've conceptualized (but have yet to try) an idea based on this, it goes;

1) Meet a cute girl who isn't a vegan or a closed-minded princess (side note: anyone notice how many chicks 'don't like' food they've never tried? Frustrates the shit out of me), game.
2) Meet at or near grocery store/market.
3) Go shopping and make her part of the selection process (you'll still need to game her in this step, as caring about her wants is slightly DLV).
4) Cook it up at my place amazing (if you're good this won't be hard).

Passing a shit test + Slight asshole game + Demonstrating higher value + Showing tangible skill = A very good situation.

Post: #21

(12-10-2009 06:29 PM)doriangray Wrote:  Yeah. What part of Gordon Ramsay is beta? Ha!

I agree with the previous writers: have her watch you cooking and maybe offer some help (chicks nowadays in western countries cant do shit so keep it simple). And in the morning it's a classic when you prepare a good breakfast wearing nothing more than an appron.

General comment about seduction and divide being beta/alpha behaviour: Just like someone noted, it's about what you like to do yourself! If you like to cook and you are good at it, don't let anyone tell you it's beta of it's feminine. That's just BS. It's a modern world and both men and women can do what they want. When people are confident and do what they want, that's perceived as sexy. On the other hand, if you are not comfortable in the kitchen at all, maybe the cooking route is not the best one to go..

Amen!

(12-10-2009 08:03 PM)Nonpareil Wrote:  I've conceptualized (but have yet to try) an idea based on this, it goes;

1) Meet a cute girl who isn't a vegan or a closed-minded princess (side note: anyone notice how many chicks 'don't like' food they've never tried? Frustrates the shit out of me), game.
2) Meet at or near grocery store/market.
3) Go shopping and make her part of the selection process (you'll still need to game her in this step, as caring about her wants is slightly DLV).
4) Cook it up at my place amazing (if you're good this won't be hard).

Passing a shit test + Slight asshole game + Demonstrating higher value + Showing tangible skill = A very good situation.

1) I looooove to eat. hahahaha - Here we hv soo many options of fruit and veggies...
2) I like the supermarket but im not into the street market, I guess it is the way my dad goes shopping. Make it fun, please!
3) I was used to cook wth my gradma... so cute!

Post: #22

Fairly easy way around your concerns dude.

Just say to the girl "I am hungry, I am going to cook myself some (whatever you are cooking). Do you want some?"

Post: #23

Ha, if I made my usual dinner of a 2 lb steak for a date, she'd get no attention.

"Oh, no more steak, guess I'll try and f*** her now."

Tell her to set the table and clean the dishes.

I can't get over the fact that women, natch, American girls, will lick your ass crack and take your hairy nuts in their mouth before they'd make you a grilled cheese or set your bed.

Post: #24

dunno how this post got by me, this is how i get 90% of the girls i pull.. 2nd date dinner movie my place.. always mention how you used to be a cook and miss it so much on the first date, "oh, you have to cook for me then"

there is nothing beta about it, the more senses on the girl you stimulate the better.. when she complements your shit be modest and explain how breakfast is really your specialty meal.

Post: #25

(12-11-2009 11:59 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  Fairly easy way around your concerns dude.

Just say to the girl "I am hungry, I am going to cook myself some (whatever you are cooking). Do you want some?"

Pretty much my exact strategy in this situation. Never make them think you are cooking for them. Always make them think you had planned on cooking or just decided were hungry so you're going to cook.