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For the longest time, any country east of Austria has been referenced "Eastern Europe" here, but I think it's time to add Central Europe (CE) to our list, especially since EE and CE can be very different.

Eastern Europe:
Estonia
Lithuania
Latvia
Ukraine
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Russia + FSU

Central Europe:
Poland
Czech
Slovakia
Balkans
Greece
Hungary

EE is going to have more of an Eastern Game scenario while CE should more of a World Game spot, with of course a lot of overlap and exceptions that we will continue to discuss here.

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I think this is an excellent and important way to classify because in many respects, as you pointed out, the shit's different. (though Kamakai may point out that Greece is never considered CE anywhere Smile

EE = generally poorer, more "Eastern", more gritty, worse infrastructure, frequent scams, more gold-digging, more stressful. And hence, more appropriate for those who are adventure types, especially who don't suffer fools gladly, and don't know what oneitis means Smile My faves (for the types of women I like) Russia (tall, sweet, blue-eyed) and Romania (sexy, promiscuous, Latin types). (*never been to Baltics.)

CS = generally better off, more "European", less gritty, better infrastructure, rare to few scams, less gold-digging, more relaxed. And hence, more appropriate for those who are looking to marry better stock (though it may be harder). My faves (for the types of women I like) Slovakia (beautiful, traditional, family oriented, age well, even in their 30s and 40s look great), Hungary (some nice looking women there, they also keep fit and age well), Serbia (perhaps most difficult on the list, unless you are Italian, Spanish, or Greek, in that order. Then it's much easier. Great women when young, but aging worse then Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians, also smoke a lot, so buyer beware.)

My favorite playing grounds in Europe:

Draw an imaginary straight line starting from Gdansk, Poland and go all the way down until you run out of land. Follow that line, with a leeway of about 200 or so km on either left or right side of that line, and you're good to go.

Best months to play: April, May, June, September - with June being the best because it's sunny and dry, but not too warm (April could still be cold, May could be rainy) and everyone's still in town (people are heading on vacations in July and August), and women are abundant and half naked and pheromones and gina tingles are in the air. Day game paradise.
You have the Balkans in CE yet Bulgaria and Romania are in the EE list?
Which countries are the Balkans? I'm ignorant about this part of Europe. your Baltic trilogy has Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Yet, they are listed in EE here. Can someone set me straight, please?
(10-01-2012 06:46 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]Which countries are the Balkans? I'm ignorant about this part of Europe. your Baltic trilogy has Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Yet, they are listed in EE here. Can someone set me straight, please?

Balkan countries are south eastern Europe:
Serbia,Bulgaria,Croatia,Montenegro,European Turkey,mainland Greece,large part of Romania,Macedonia,Kosovo,Albania.
(10-01-2012 07:26 PM)Vorkuta Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2012 06:46 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]Which countries are the Balkans? I'm ignorant about this part of Europe. your Baltic trilogy has Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Yet, they are listed in EE here. Can someone set me straight, please?

Balkan countries are south eastern Europe:
Serbia,Bulgaria,Croatia,Montenegro,European Turkey,mainland Greece,large part of Romania,Macedonia,Kosovo,Albania.

The Balkans and the Baltics are 2 separate, non-overlapping groups of countries in Europe.
Got it. Thanks guys.
Quote: EE = generally poorer, more "Eastern", more gritty, worse infrastructure, frequent scams, more gold-digging, more stressful. And hence, more appropriate for those who are adventure types, especially who don't suffer fools gladly, and don't know what oneitis means My faves (for the types of women I like) Russia (tall, sweet, blue-eyed) and Romania (sexy, promiscuous, Latin types). (*never been to Baltics.)
CS = generally better off, more "European", less gritty, better infrastructure, rare to few scams, less gold-digging, more relaxed. And hence, more appropriate for those who are looking to marry better stock (though it may be harder). My faves (for the types of women I like) Slovakia (beautiful, traditional, family oriented, age well, even in their 30s and 40s look great), Hungary (some nice looking women there, they also keep fit and age well), Serbia (perhaps most difficult on the list, unless you are Italian, Spanish, or Greek, in that order. Then it's much easier. Great women when young, but aging worse then Czechs, Slovaks and Hungarians, also smoke a lot, so buyer beware.)

Great topic, gracias ...

What say you regarding age gaps as they relate to EE and CE?

I am 47 and find it hard to get excited about women that are much past 31. I am open to a LTR, so that has me thinking "Stop playing with young chicks."

I spent a little time in Sloviakia and Check, not enough ... but, I did not see much of a difference in attitudes (or looks for that matter) there or in Ukraine. Since I would prefer to find one winner, rather than a parade of fucks, places like Poland and the Baltics seem worthy of time. I strongly prefer a no BS / Gold-digger environment (I have run past my share long ago).

I imagine Romania would be a field day, but I presume there is much insincerity - I have known many Romanians in NYC.
In Europe we usually call Eastern Europe all countries that belonged to the communist sphere.
That's why we call Poland eastern and not central.

Greece is not Eastern Europe either. It's southern europe.
I can see how it will be helpful. Still, if this definition was made because of the kinds of game run there, how soon until it needs to be adapted again? Ten years? Five? Two?
Eastern Europe=former communist block countries including Poland.However one does not fail to notice the current difference between former Soviet Union and its satelites in the past(Poland,Hungary etc).It has also effects to the women's mentality which interests us.So for reasons of pick up to categorize similar things my distinction is:
1.Former Soviet Union
2.Former Austrohungary
3.Balkans(former Ottoman Empire)
Poles and Hungarians claim they do not belong to eastern Europe but to central Europe instead.They do this to avoid the negative connotations being combined with Eastern Europe(poverty,corruption,mafia etc).However central Europe includes by definition Germanic countries like Austria,Switzerland which are very different from Poland and Hungary in every regard.So the term central Europe is largely misleading.Better to use the distinction ''Western slavic regions(CR,Poland,Slovakia),eastern slavic regions(Russia,Ukraine,Belarus) and south slavic regions(Croatia,Serbia,Bulgaria) to describe our area of interest.
(10-02-2012 01:01 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote: [ -> ]So for reasons of pick up to categorize similar things my distinction is: 1.Former Soviet Union 2.Former Austrohungary 3.Balkans(former Ottoman Empire) Better to use the distinction ''Western slavic regions(CR,Poland,Slovakia),eastern slavic regions(Russia,Ukraine,Belarus) and south slavic regions(Croatia,Serbia,Bulgaria) to describe our area of interest.

The difficulty is Romania and Hungary not being Slavic, yet they are in their midst. Also, Romania, Bulgaria, and Greece are part of the Balkans, which sometimes semantically get confused for Baltics in a similar vein that Slovenia and Slovakia do with each other. And now you want to add Austro-Hungary to all that? Too confusing. Roosh's classification works fine. I would just change/add "former Yugoslavia" instead of the Balkans. It's a lot more specific (and also-takes care of other Romania, Bulgaria, Greece non-inclusion). And leave everything else as-is.

(10-01-2012 07:52 PM)ZonZon Wrote: [ -> ]What say you regarding age gaps as they relate to EE and CE?

I am 47 and find it hard to get excited about women that are much past 31. I am open to a LTR, so that has me thinking "Stop playing with young chicks."

Unfortunately, the places that are more open to larger age gaps, are also places that are more poor, and hence more likely to end in "heartbreak" if you don't know what you are doing. But you need to play young chicks if you want to knock them up (for you the sweet range should be 24-29, the younger, the better).

(10-01-2012 07:52 PM)ZonZon Wrote: [ -> ]I spent a little time in Sloviakia and Check, not enough ... but, I did not see much of a difference in attitudes (or looks for that matter) there or in Ukraine.


Was that recently? Slovakia is now part of EU so that in itself should make a difference in overall experience. Also, Bratislava is full of tall, gorgeous creatures, but they are used to British and Italian sex tourists for a long time. You need to explore the rest of the country, where there were no s.t. en masse, and where your exotic factor is better.

(10-01-2012 07:52 PM)ZonZon Wrote: [ -> ]I imagine Romania would be a field day, but I presume there is much insincerity - I have known many Romanians in NYC.

Romania is great for filthy sex, and notch count. But you should never marry a Romanian. You only marry a Slav, and preferably a western or south one (OK, and maybe that "one special" Hungarian). That should be a first thing seared into any westerner's brain.
(10-01-2012 07:45 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]Got it. Thanks guys.

For some reason I used to get the two confused and couldn't remember which one was which until I actually went to the Balkans.
(10-01-2012 07:56 PM)the28 Wrote: [ -> ]In Europe we usually call Eastern Europe all countries that belonged to the communist sphere.
That's why we call Poland eastern and not central.

Greece is not Eastern Europe either. It's southern europe.

I made the mistake once of referring to Poland as Eastern Europe and my Polish friend nearly took off my head. It's my understanding that most Poles consider Poland to be Central, not Eastern, Europe.

Something to be mindful of for anyone traveling to the region.
Quote:Unfortunately, the places that are more open to larger age gaps, are also places that are more poor, and hence more likely to end in "heartbreak" if you don't know what you are doing. But you need to play young chicks if you want to knock them up (for you the sweet range should be 24-29, the younger, the better).

Yes, it is a dangerous gameSmile 24 - 29 single with no kids can be done with a little time. 27 - 32 with one child (these women are SCREWED with regard to true choice) maybe better for long term characteristics and potential.

Quote:Was that recently? Slovakia is now part of EU so that in itself should make a difference in overall experience. Also, Bratislava is full of tall, gorgeous creatures, but they are used to British and Italian sex tourists for a long time. You need to explore the rest of the country, where there were no s.t. en masse, and where your exotic factor is better.

3 - 4 months ago. Style and the appearance of wealth matters. DAH! Yes, I should go to where there are less tourists - always

Quote:But you should never marry a Romanian. You only marry a Slav, and preferably a western or south one (OK, and maybe that "one special" Hungarian). That should be a first thing seared into any westerner's brain.

Romanian women, I have found to be aggressive in sex - which I love for a short time. I think there may be some truth to the gypsies thing.
Another thing to think about is religion: Catholic vs Orthodox. I know people aren't so religious in this part of the world anymore, but having different religions must result in some cultural differences.

Most of the countries in Roosh's Central Europe list are Catholic and most in the EE list are Orthodox. He put Greece in the CE list, but then I dont if Roosh has spent much time in Greece. I haven't been to Greece but from what I've heard (corruption, machismo, less SNLs, etc) maybe it's more like the EE group?

Croatia and Serbia share the same language but practice different religions. I wonder if Croatia is better than Serbia for getting girls, or are they basically the same?
(10-02-2012 07:05 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-01-2012 07:56 PM)the28 Wrote: [ -> ]In Europe we usually call Eastern Europe all countries that belonged to the communist sphere. That's why we call Poland eastern and not central. Greece is not Eastern Europe either. It's southern europe.


I made the mistake once of referring to Poland as Eastern Europe and my Polish friend nearly took off my head. It's my understanding that most Poles consider Poland to be Central, not Eastern, Europe.


For the exact reasons Greek Kamaki already explained. Yes, they may be CE geo-politically, but no amount of pouting will change they fact that they are Slavic. And that's how primarily they are seen from the outside. I know that the Italians used to consider people to the east of them as "Slavi" (Slavs). Everything east was "Slavi" to them, so presumably they gamed chicks that border them in the same way they did those in Vladivostock LOL. I imagine that's the same mindset how Germans see Poland and Czech R.

(10-02-2012 08:00 AM)The Duke Wrote: [ -> ]Most of the countries in Roosh's Central Europe list are Catholic and most in the EE list are Orthodox. He put Greece in the CE list, but then I dont if Roosh has spent much time in Greece. I haven't been to Greece but from what I've heard (corruption, machismo, less SNLs, etc) maybe it's more like the EE group?

I think we should not talk about Greece in the same way. Nobody goes to Greece to game Greek women lol, but to collect loose international flags. The world game generally applies, but calibrated whether the target is a drunken British slut, a German feminist, or a serious literature-loving Russian. Smile
(10-02-2012 02:24 AM)Gaston Wrote: [ -> ]Was that recently? Slovakia is now part of EU so that in itself should make a difference in overall experience. Also, Bratislava is full of tall, gorgeous creatures, but they are used to British and Italian sex tourists for a long time. You need to explore the rest of the country, where there were no s.t. en masse, and where your exotic factor is better.

Quality is not the same in say Presov and Kosice, the girls are shorter and generally not as attractive - although the exotic factor is there I couldn't really recommend those places.

Sex tourists in Bratislava is not such a big part of the equation there.
According to western Europe and Mediteranean perspective central European countries are Austria and Switzerland.If you notice the British tabloids and all newspapers refer to polish immigrants as Eastern Europeans.In fact many times they write about ''crime commited by Eastern European'' in order to be politically correct and not say Poland which is the suspicion of the public since Poles are considered to be the majority of Eastern Europeans.Slavic mentality is generally described in the West as Eastern European.According to the hardcore westerners the borders of the West are in Oder and east of that there is Eastern Europe.The rivers Oder and Danube separate the West from the East.

If you notice here even polish posters like polish rumble refer to themselves as EE guys so they see the similarities.(which are obvious to anyone there is much appearance and mentality similarities among Slavs).Even Croats who claimed to be Germanic during the course of WW2,now admit that they are slavic tribe.
There is only one post communist country which can claim to be part of the West and this is Czech Republic.Actually this country is described by many Westerners as central Europe(similar to Austria and Switzerland) probably due to high German influence both genetic and cultural(they recognize there part of themselves).In my opinion only the Westerners(Anglo,Germanic etc) can define who is part of their family and who is not and they usually do this by observation and instinct.(how much they feel related to others).

What is more is that EE does not necessarily have a negative connotation.Here in Greece EE means booze and hot women it is considered a great place to party and when you hear the word EE you become horny with Pavlov's reflux.I have heard a hot Greek girl telling ''I will never let my fiancee to travel to Eastern Europe''(devilish land for local women).
Poland, CR, Slovakia, Hungary is geographically Central Europe. In layman's political terms (e.g. British tabloid) anything that was former Eastern block is considered Eastern Europe and the rest is Western Europe (by this classification Greece would be considered Western Europe as well). Not sure how useful it will be since some Eastern block countries (CZ, SK) are catching up economically to some southern European countries like Portugal, Greece, Spain and will outpace them in the next few years due to much healthier economy.
The germans have a term that roughly corresponds to what Roosh is talking about here: mitteleuropa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitteleuropa

from Wiki: The term 'Mitteleuropa' never has been merely a geographical term; it is also a political one, much as Europe, East and West, are terms that political scientists employ as synonyms for political ideas or concepts. Traditionally, Mitteleuropa has been that part of Europa between East and West. As profane as this may sound, this is probably the most precise definition of Mitteleuropa available.
Mitteleuropa is the Germanized Europe.It is a term used to justify Germanic rule over Slavs.(if you notice in the map it includes Germany,Austria,Switzerland classic Germanic countries)
Actually what roosh refers to is the former Austrian Hungarian Empire.I have described the advantages of the region.It included CR, Poland, Slovakia,Croatia,Hungary, western Ukraine and north Romania all excellent places till now.
Everything to the right of the red line indicates incredibly hot girls.

Countries in the green area indicates hot girls but not up to the same standard as the countries in the red area.

Countries to the left of the red line indicates not as hot girls (although you will obviously still get some babes)

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Austrian Hungarian Empire.The place to be.All important cities are inside(Prague,Ostrava,Bratislava,Budapest,Zagreb,Lubliana,Krakow,Lvov,Timisoara)​.Habsburgs had excellent taste in women and made the best selection(all the Empire was created by marriages of the mega fuckers Habsburgians to local princesses).I only can imagine the orgies taking place in Vienna palaces between the naughty Czech,Slovak,polish,Hungarian,Croat and Romanian ladies of Honour.No wonder why there is still so much perversion in these countries and they are considered a gem in porn industry.

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