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Intro: Pai is a small town of about 3000 people located north of Chaing Mai, close to the Burmese border, it takes about three hours to drive up there and is definitely worth a visit if you are in northern Thailand. It is nestled in between hills and along a river and has some very nice scenery, including several natural hot springs and a few nice water falls. This is a great place to go to get away from the noise and pollution of the city and chill out for two-four days.

Its often described as a hippy town and a backpackers paradise and for the most part, this is an accurate description, but in recent years, especially after it was featured in a couple of very popular Thai films, Pai has become very popular among Thai people who come up here for a weekend or a romantic getaway.

I ended up there after being in BKK and Chiang Mai for over a month, I was only supposed to go there for the weekend but I liked the place so much that I ended up training Muay Thai there for almost a month, so I got to know the place quite well and it ended up being one of my favorite places in Thailand.

The town of Pai is quite small and very easy to get around, there are basically two streets that make up most of the downtown area which is where all of the action is (restaurants, bars, clubs, guest houses, etc.). One is called Walking Street and this is where you'll get off the mini-van from Chiang Mai, if you continue farther down this street, there's another street at the end on the left that runs perpendicular, I forget the name but you can't miss it. There are several streets off of Walking Street that have something to see (lots of tattoo shops, massage parlours, internet cafes, etc), and another street that runs parallel to Walking Street, basically you can cover all of this in about twenty minutes on foot. Here's a map (scroll down): http://allaboutpai.com/maps/

How to get there: Best option would be to take a mini van there from Chiang Mai, its costs 150 Baht and take about three hours, but be warned, the road is extremely curvy, it has over 700 bends or switch backs on it going through the mountains, I wouldn't recommend doing it hung over. The last time I went up there we had to stop because some lady was puking, buy some of those yellow motion sickness pills for 5 Baht at the bus station.

Also, when leaving town, especially on a Sunday, buy your tickets the day before because the buses fill up on Sundays, if you want to get out of town before the afternoon.

What to do: Plenty of outdoor activities to do in Pai: trekking, rafting (best in July-September), tubing, waterfalls, etc, there's also a clown school and a couple of cooking schools in Pai. Lots of nice resorts with hot springs and pools to chill at for the day, I went to this one a couple of times where you can pay 100 baht to use all of their facilities: http://www.paihotspringssparesort.com/

There's also a Piranha fishing resort a little out of town, I spent a day there fishing and drinking beer, its run by an Englishman named Dave and its a nice spot to check out, killer lasagna there too: http://paipiranhafishingpark.blogspot.com/

Walking Street: The main street in Pai is shut down to traffic from 1800-Midnight and lots of street vendors are on it, buskers, street meat stands and tons of people, this place is PACKED at night, often shoulder-to-shoulder, especially on weekends, its crazy. Be warned, you are not allowed to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol on Walking Street, I don't know why Pai is so conservative, it may be the local Muslim influence, there is a mosque in town and you will see many Thai women in full burka here. Its actually nice because the town isn't full of the usual riff-raff like greasy sex tourists or hammered drunk back packers.

Muay Thai: I trained at a few gyms in Thailand and I liked this one the best, its called Sor Wisarut: http://www.wisarutmuaythai.com/ , its about two kilometers from downtown, in a farmers field with great views of the surrounding hills. I stayed at a resort within walking distance and was able to really focus on my training, which was great as I made a really good friend there, the trainer Emanuele, a highly accomplished Italian K-1/Muay Thai fighter. There's also two other Thai trainers who were excellent as well.

Hippy stuff: I didn't partake in any of this but there are plenty of options for yoga, meditation and detox related activites, lots of spas here and natural healing retreats.

Accommodations: Lots of options here for all price ranges, from 100 baht beds in hostels to high end resorts, I stayed most of my time at "The Country Side resort", couldn't find a website but its on Trip Advisor and Agoda, I paid 700 Baht per night because I stayed for three weeks. the cheapest I stayed in was "Pai In The Sky Hotel" right beside the main bus station, my room with two beds was only 250 Baht.

Pai had a hotel construction boom and has over 10,000 beds in the city but be warned, this place really fills up on the weekends, so if you're arriving on a Saturday, try to reserve something beforehand to avoid walking around town for four hours looking for a place like I did.

Getting around: If you stay downtown, you can get around on foot but its better to rent a bicycle or scooter. A bicycle will go for about fifty baht per day but I would say that a scooter is the best option, as many of the water falls and other nice attractions are a few kilometers out of town. Actually if you've never drove a scooter before, Pai is a great place to learn and a couple of the rental places give lessons, just stay off the highways and crowded Walking street until you're comfortable and you'll be fine.

Food: Plenty of options for both Thai and foreign food, there's a lot of Farang expats who run restos here like the gay Italian guy who runs the Witching Well and a French guy who makes crepes at a small shop near Buffalo bar. Very cheap food options as well and a lot of healty options too. Lots of street meat options along Walking Street in the evening.

Weed: Since its a hippy town, there's a lot of weed smoking going on here but the quality sucks and the prices are high for what you get. Take precautions because this is Thailand and if you get caught by the cops you could be in a sticky situation. They sell it at some bars along walking Street and if you ride a scooter up the hills to the waterfalls, local hill tribe women will wave you down on the road and offer "ganja, opium, heroin", the only three English words they know, again, be careful.

Night life: Pai isn't exactly a party town but you can have a good time there for sure, it certainly doesn't compete with the crazy parties you'll find down on the islands, which is a good thing in my opinion. Most of the action is located downtown along Walking Street and the last street on the left, here's some places to check out:

-Edible jazz: On walking street, a chill place with large outdoor bar, they have live entertainment and open mic nights. Good place to grab a few drinks from 2000-2300. Mixed crowd of Farang and thai

-Yellow Sun: Off Walking Street, this is a reggae bar that gets pretty full on the weekends, there's a pool table and small dance floor, good from around 22000midnight. Mixed crowd, mostly back packers.

-Ting Tong Bar: Beside walking street, decent sized dance floor but more of a lounge scene, they have a fire pit in the back, good place to chill and smoke doobies.

-Buffalo: Down the street from yellow Sun and Ting-Tong, its the last bar on the street, has good food, its a mostly Thai bar.

-Bamboo Bar: Across the bridge from down town, nice big bar and as the name suggests, made of bamboo. This is usually the last bar to close on the weekends and between Bamboo bar and the reggae one beside it (can't remember the name), this is where everyone will migrate after midnight when all of the other bars shut down.

Night life vibe: As I mentioned, its a hippy back backer town so they are out in full force but there's also a lot of regular travellers there too. The vibe is heavy on the reggae and dope smoking, I went to an outdoor concert there that attracted around 500 people and also a drum and bass party that was decent, but overall, the night life isn't great.

Now Pai is more conservative than other cities in Thailand, so the parties don't get too wild and the police will come around and shut the bars down, sometimes at midnight and sometimes one or two. Also, there's no sex tourism here, at all, which is refreshing but also means that there's no shoring to be done. Another thing, most of the Thais who come here seem to be couples on a romantic weekend getaway, so most of the gameable women are farang.

Gaming women in Pai: I would recommend a mixture of day and night game, this is where I had my most success in Pai, actually you can start from the moment you hop on the bus in CM, that's what I did, there were three girls on the bus and I chatted them up a bit during the drive. That same night I met up with them at a bar and we partied all night, we ended up renting scooters the next day and hit up some water falls.

During the day, chat up as many women as possible along walking street, in cafes, etc because you will most likely run into them during the night, either on walking street or in one of the bars listed above.

Although there are quite a few long term farang residents in pai, the majority of people there are travellers who are only there for a few days, usually a weekend trip and most of the younger crowd stays downtown. There were travellers from the usual places who go to Thailand (Scandinavians, Israelis, Russians, etc) but for whatever reason there was an abundance of French and Canadians travellers, I'd say that the Canucks were there because of the cool weather.

Speaking of weather, pack a sweater, trust me! One thing I liked about Pai was that it gets really hot during the day, 28-32 but at night it gets COLD, usually between 5-10 degrees, which is nice but I wasn't prepared so I had to buy a sweater there.

So there you go guys, some data on a really chill, nice little town in northern Thailand. Pai is definitely on the tourist trail and very easy to get to and stay in, the locals are the friendliest and most speak a bit of English. I'd recommend a few days here, more than that and you'll likely get bored, unless you're training Muay Thai up here, which I highly recommend.

Here's a decent video by some SWPL back packer dickhead who spent sometime in Pai:



Awesome data! sounds like my kinda place. It almost sounds like paradise. How are the beaches there?
(02-03-2013 04:35 AM)OldRich Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome data! sounds like my kinda place. It almost sounds like paradise. How are the beaches there?

No beaches man, its in northern Thailand, about as far away from the beaches as you could possibly be in the country. Nice river to chill by and water falls and hot springs though.
Thanks man, this place sounds right up my ally. I love datasheets like this that introduce new places no one is talking about. Definitely on my list to check out when I'm over there soon.
A place of 3000? Impressive data sheet for a town you can probably jog through in 15 min.
I forgot to imbed the youtube video that I mentioned in the OP, oops!

Here's a link to that video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HBTbHD-L4U
Scotian,

I remember from one of your Jamaica posts that you are really into coffee. Is the coffee in Pai special?
Pretty legit data sheet, I have been to Pai twice, really like the place. Met some Thai girls at a bon fire one night, next thing I know I had plans to go on a motorcycle trip with one girl.....
Awesome sheet Scotian! Always love the adventure and pioneer spirit of this forum. This is what this forum is best for! Btw, how's your Thai now Scotian?
(02-03-2013 05:29 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote: [ -> ]Scotian,

I remember from one of your Jamaica posts that you are really into coffee. Is the coffee in Pai special?

There's some decent coffee to be had there as in most of Thailand but not as good as in Jamaica. Actually Pai reminded a lot of the Blue Mountains, a very chill area up in the hills where its cool at night.
(02-03-2013 07:17 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome sheet Scotian! Always love the adventure and pioneer spirit of this forum. This is what this forum is best for! Btw, how's your Thai now Scotian?

I didn't learn very much besides counting to a hundred and a couple of other words, its something I regret not learning more, I spent most of my time with other foreigners and not enough with Thai people to learn much.
Don't buy weed from the tribal women near the waterfall. First, their weed is seriously shitty, second the police often searches people near the waterfall, and if you get caught with weed it can set you a back about one thousand bucks. Better option is the Thai rasta guys who work in the bars.
I was there for almost a week. I loved it!

Ended up foolin around with a chubby girl and then bangin a hot little Thai semi-pro for free. The latter even took me out to a fancy lunch in the mountains on her British sugar daddy's dime! It was so easy for me to shore semi-pros in Thailand and Laos. I think they like the thin tall blond white boy look.
Nice data sheet Scotian! Got me all nostalgic and shit... ;-)

I, too, only wanted to stay a few days but wound up staying for 3 weeks. Pai is truly a beautiful place nature-wise.

I wandered around the hills and thought about training Muay Thai and I actually met Emanuele when I asked about prices at his gym. Seems like a super cool guy who could kick your ass to bejesus and back and then resuscitate you out of kindness.

Accommodations in Pai are pretty cheap too, even in the peak season. I found a place where I paid 150 bhat a night for my own room with Wifi, nestled in a beautiful garden, sitting in the shadow of enormous bamboo trees.

Also, I forget the name of it, but there's an awesome coffee/tea shop that's always packed just before you hit the corner of the street where Ting Tong bar is and the walking street.

Anyway, the guy who runs it is a Russian dude, Kodya, and he makes homemade kombucha and kefir. The coffee and tea there are excellent, too. The place is always packed.

There's also a place over the main bridge, straight up the road and on the left called Liquid. You can go there, swim in the pool and have a few drinks. Good food there, too. A great place to meet some people and relax.

Finally, it's a bit of a hike. But there's a Buddhist temple if you head over the main bridge and straight up the road. You'll eventually see a very steep street leading up to a temple with hundreds of little steps. It's right at the juncture of a starfruit tree. You can go up there and see all of the surrounding hills in all their splendor. Amazing.

I can confirm everything Scotian said about the poontang prospects. It's basically all tourist chicks. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I got 2 new flags there, Russian and Australian. Great gals, both of them. Banana

If any of you guys ever get the chance, definitely visit Pai. I promise you you'll carry that place around inside you till the day you shuffle off this mortal coil...

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Just got back from Pai and it is now over run with Hippie feminists -- male and female. There are more westerners than thai people. It seemed I was back in the States. The bars, restaurants and stores are just like any western feminist city. The social setting was pure ugly. No one will talk to you - it not possible to meet anyone. I felt the same alienation like the other western cities.

Pai needs to burn down.

Check this article and comments out -- it says the same:

http://www.sharedwanderlust.com/pai-thai...ckpackers-


May 20, 2015 by John

Pai, Thailand: the latest town to be ruined by backpackers


Sitting in Pai, Thailand, I have a sense shame as a traveler by being associated with backpackers. On the one hand, traveling breeds business opportunities and distributes money to places where there’s very little of either. Backpackers have flocked to this town since Chiang Mai is more “touristy” nowadays, making Pai a busy little place. On the other hand, the locals will start providing the things that sell to the tourists even if these things aren’t good for the people. This can lead to situations like Pai where there’s weird perversions of culture. It’s not the perversion of culture that has lead to the sex trade found more in Bangkok and Phuket, but Pai has been turned into a non-Thai town. Backpackers complain about locations getting too westernized, so I was eager to see firsthand what all the fuss was about.

We’ve experienced this phenomenon in other cities as well such as Cusco, Peru and Cairns, Australia.

Locals are outnumbered by tourists

filled-bars-pai
The town is basically bar after bar filled with backpackers

White people, white people everywhere.

For locations that are supposedly off the beaten path, why are these backpacker towns so damn full of tourists? Cusco was shocking in this way too, where the entire town could have been in middle America I probably wouldn’t have known any different. So far, the most authentic places we’ve been on this round the world trip have been to the large cities. In Lima, Bangkok, Buenos Aires, and Santiago it’s very easy to find local culture just by walking a few blocks away from any tourist attraction (you know you’re there when no one speaks English). In Pai, even the street vendors understand English just fine, and many of the locals are fluent.

It’s hard to take backpackers seriously as people that get deep into the culture when this is the easiest town to travel yet. If a local here doesn’t understand English, just ask one of the infinite tourists where or what something is. Why did they come all this way if they just wanted to be with other westerners?

The food in this tiny Thai town isn’t Thai

Metal bar in Thailand
Because why wouldn’t there be a metal bar for Euros in a tiny Thai town? Obviously.

Breakfast in other countries tends to suck pretty bad. In Pai, American breakfast is everywhere and often served all day. The only place we could even find breakfast served in Bangkok was at McDonald’s, and that was to break up the monotony of eating hard boiled eggs every morning. So I can understand that breakfast places would become popular in areas with a lot of western tourists. I’ll give the backpackers a pass on supporting breakfast. For the rest of it, no free pass.

European style cafes are everywhere. There’s a reggae bar, a metal bar, and a dance bar all within a block or two of each other. The popular restaurants are burger joints and Italian places. There are even smoothie stands and street vendors selling pizza. Oh, and there’s a god damn steak place here. The entire country might have 100 cows total, and there’s a steak place in a small town in north Thailand. The reviews for the steak restaurant are all terrible. It’s not hard to know why: this isn’t their culture, and they don’t even have the beef to make good steak possible.

Basically there’s very little Thai food being served here, and that’s for an obvious reason: the backpackers don’t eat it. These people travel halfway around the world just to eat food that’s available and better made back home. You can’t make up something this stupid.

The WiFi is amazing here

Everywhere we go in Pai, the WiFi has been excellent and free. And I mean excellent as in “excellent by US standards”. By Thai standards we are in internet heaven. Again, this didn’t just happen by accident. We’ve been to several countries where the WiFi has been atrocious. Good WiFi cropped up in Pai because people support places with good WiFi. I’m not going to look down my nose at someone for wanting constant internet access. I think it’s the greatest invention since the printing press and it should be considered a basic right for everyone, after things like clean drinking water/safe roads/police/etc. But it’s really hard to believe that backpackers are striving for authentic experiences when this is yet another indicator they don’t engage with the culture itself.

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God I love seeing tourists rent bikes they’ve never driven in places they’ve never been. There’s a good amount of tourists limping and heavily bandaged in Pai from cycle accidents. Darwin award material.

Backpackers just want their own culture for bargain prices, and are using 3rd world labor to accomplish that

That’s probably the most cynical view of the situation and certainly not true for some backpackers, but it’s really hard to argue with when you see these backpacker towns. Hostels are just dorms where backpackers can mingle with their own kind for next to nothing per night. Sure they are meeting other travelers, but these places are overwhelmingly frequented by other westerners who look and act the same. Same styles of bags, same tattoos/piercings, same hair styles, same clothes, go to the same places… for people who claim to be so counter-culture or anti-establishment, it looks like they have a prescribed uniform and rulebook that they follow to the letter.

Maybe I just gave backpackers too much credit

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The town had some charm to it now and then

My view of a backpacker was someone that blazed trails into unknown cultures that the rest of us could follow. Someone that abandoned corporate culture back home to do something more meaningful than chase promotions. Maybe some backpackers are like this. It’s possible.

What I overwhelmingly see is a group of people who are failures back home who just want to get drunk every night and not actually experience the culture they’ve traveled so far to be surrounded by. And when we get here and the locals think that all we want from them are burgers, beer, a room, and sex (all for incredibly cheap prices)… that makes me ashamed to be a traveler. I came to Pai to experience small town Thai culture, only to find that the backpackers stomped it out and set up burger joints.

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2 Replies to “Pai, Thailand: the latest town to be ruined by backpackers”



John

Apr 11, 2016 at 1:16 pm


Extremely accurate. I traveled to Pai hearing that it was a beautiful hippie paradise, full of good weed, good food, and authentic Thai culture. Pai literally has none of that, or at least far less than everywhere else I’ve been to in Thailand. It is the last place in Thailand that I would visit again.

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Irie Blazer

Apr 22, 2016 at 4:58 am


Sooo true!! You hit the nail on the head. I’ve been coming to pai for 5 years and it’s never been worse then now. the locals are complete sell outs they will do anything for a bit of money. and really do not care at all about the environment. it is now called pai City and the pollution is unreal. they have cut down the trees so much there is nothin left really to cut down. I am fluent in Thai an English being living in Thailand since my early 20s and married my wife who is Thai last year here. I’ve lived in Phuket, Bangkok, Samut prakan, pattaya, rayong, krabi, chiang mai and I have never ever seen such a pathetic group of stupid people in my life as the pai group. I mean literally people who cannot even find Thailand in a world map, grown ‘men’ who can’t even tell you where is Bangkok on a map and yet take it in themselves to cut down acres of jungle. the average iq in Thailand is 91. And you will never see a more stupid group then in pai.

the funniest element is the fake cowboy Rastas. it’s hilarious. if u ever come to pai look for Cowboys or anything to do with ‘lasta’ (how the local spastic a try to say rasta) it’s really priceless. also the foreigners that team up with them all drunk as fuck.

there is some posters of Bob Marley made in pai with lyrics from bob’s songs. the lyrics are so funny and completely wrong it’s hysterical but sad at the same time.

in all avoid pai at all costs and pray it burns with the fire it is a parasitic entity destroying the rain forest for a penny. I hope the town burns down and leaves the mountains to recover.

the waterfalls are dry now and the valley is a desert. hundreds of failed businesses dot the land scape and guess what good ol Somchai and pim are doing? building more houses! Hahahaj stupid twats.

Die and burn in hell pai u piece of shit.

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pbw

Nov 24, 2017 at 6:37 pm

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I just spent two days there and it was awful with the all hippies and westerners. No Thai culture. I thought I was back in the States. The hippie girls are all rad feminists and bring their unpleasant attitudes with them. There is no hope for Pai, it needs to be destroyed now.
I am brand new here, so I apologize if this should be its own thread, in a different thread, etc. I'll happily relocate it if so. I want to move somewhere and learn a language.

I lived in Saigon, Vietnam for 1.5 years and loved it. During my time there, I visited Chiang Mai as well as Pai once and loved both places.

I want to move somewhere, learn the language, study a martial art(s) (currently training in MMA where I am now), and pick up women for a year (maybe longer).

I'm considering Chiang Mai, Pai, Brazil, and Ukraine (Kiev or Odessa).

I'm struggling to make a decision.

Some advantages apply to all of these places (excellent nature spots, great food, fun things to do), so I'll try to to target pros and cons that don't apply to all.

With Thailand, the pros are that I've been there and loved it Also, plenty of options for martial arts training. The cons are that I'm not massively motivated to learn Thai (I do love their culture though, so that may compensate for that some) as Asian languages aren't my favorite-sounding and its not super useful outside of Thailand, and also that I've had my fill of Asian women living in Saigon. I'd mainly prefer to game non-Asians at this point. That said, both towns have a decent year-round supply of foreign tourists from what I've gathered.

With Brazil, the pros are that there's a decent supply of non-Asian women (not hating, just looking to expand my horizons at this point) looking for casual sex and plenty of options for martial arts training, The main con is that I'm not interested in Portuguese.

With Ukraine, the pros are that there's lots of non-Asian women around who are stunningly beautiful, they speak Russian, which is useful and it is my favorite-sounding language, and I just have a really strong instinct based on expats I've talked to, videos I've seen, etc. that I'll really like it there. The cons are that the women are more geared towards settling down as I understand it, so Ukraine may be a better place to land in several years. Some other cons are that Russian is hard as fuck to learn from what I understand (I do know the Cyrrilic alphabet. Knowing the alphabet isn't much, but hey, it's a start), and it's a little too cold. I need to do more research into the martial arts situation, but I'm sure Kiev has instructors who can teach an English-speaker. it is a big city after all.

What are your thoughts on moving to Thailand despite mainly being interested in banging non-Asians. Is it as stupid as it sounds? I don't feel particularly "drawn" to Brazil aside from the fact that there's hot girls, it's cheap, and fun. Are there any other places you'd suggest for cheap, fun and hot non-Asian women?

I get that there are cheap summer destinations on the Mediterranean coast where European women vacate, but I imagine those places are kind of a drag as far as women goes during the off season?
(10-03-2018 12:55 AM)DanxBeToGawd Wrote: [ -> ]I am brand new here, so I apologize if this should be its own thread, in a different thread, etc. I'll happily relocate it if so. I want to move somewhere and learn a language.

I lived in Saigon, Vietnam for 1.5 years and loved it. During my time there, I visited Chiang Mai as well as Pai once and loved both places.

I want to move somewhere, learn the language, study a martial art(s) (currently training in MMA where I am now), and pick up women for a year (maybe longer).

I'm considering Chiang Mai, Pai, Brazil, and Ukraine (Kiev or Odessa).

I'm struggling to make a decision.

Some advantages apply to all of these places (excellent nature spots, great food, fun things to do), so I'll try to to target pros and cons that don't apply to all.

With Thailand, the pros are that I've been there and loved it Also, plenty of options for martial arts training. The cons are that I'm not massively motivated to learn Thai (I do love their culture though, so that may compensate for that some) as Asian languages aren't my favorite-sounding and its not super useful outside of Thailand, and also that I've had my fill of Asian women living in Saigon. I'd mainly prefer to game non-Asians at this point. That said, both towns have a decent year-round supply of foreign tourists from what I've gathered.

With Brazil, the pros are that there's a decent supply of non-Asian women (not hating, just looking to expand my horizons at this point) looking for casual sex and plenty of options for martial arts training, The main con is that I'm not interested in Portuguese.

With Ukraine, the pros are that there's lots of non-Asian women around who are stunningly beautiful, they speak Russian, which is useful and it is my favorite-sounding language, and I just have a really strong instinct based on expats I've talked to, videos I've seen, etc. that I'll really like it there. The cons are that the women are more geared towards settling down as I understand it, so Ukraine may be a better place to land in several years. Some other cons are that Russian is hard as fuck to learn from what I understand (I do know the Cyrrilic alphabet. Knowing the alphabet isn't much, but hey, it's a start), and it's a little too cold. I need to do more research into the martial arts situation, but I'm sure Kiev has instructors who can teach an English-speaker. it is a big city after all.

What are your thoughts on moving to Thailand despite mainly being interested in banging non-Asians. Is it as stupid as it sounds? I don't feel particularly "drawn" to Brazil aside from the fact that there's hot girls, it's cheap, and fun. Are there any other places you'd suggest for cheap, fun and hot non-Asian women?

I get that there are cheap summer destinations on the Mediterranean coast where European women vacate, but I imagine those places are kind of a drag as far as women goes during the off season?

While learning new languages is good, you need to figure out why you want to learn a particular language first. In your case it seems like you want to learn a language just for the sake of it, which isn't going to work.

There needs to be a practical reason for you to want to learn a language, else you're not going to keep summoning the motivation to keep going.

Also, each place is going to have its pros and cons, not just language wise but in general.

I'd pick a language that aligns with your long term plans and is useful in as many places as possible. If you're not planning to spend a significant part of your life living in Thailand, what's the point in learning Thai? It's only useful in Thailand, whereas Russian or Spanish is spoken in a lot of countries.

Also, just realized this is way off topic after I was already done typing. Best to ask this elsewhere instead of in the Pai, Thailand thread.
@Bain there's a lot of hippies and Pai has become a tourist destination for sure but when in Rome brother...

Pai has an awesome night market with amazing food, tons of loose and actually really attractive hippie chicks (Thai, Western, Japanese, etc) down to fuck, and cool bars with fire shows, happy shakes, and big fat spliffs. There's also local kombucha and kefir made by a Ukrainian dude who lives there with his Thai wife, and a Russian sauna a bit away from the main square.

Not to mention all of the gorgeous nature. Sound like you were in a shit mood and projected it onto Pai and everyone / everything there, and didn't try to make the best of it.

I always have a magical time up there and I'm about as tolerant of hippies as McCarthy was of communists.
WOW, forgot all about Pai! Rode motorcycles up there around five years ago. Great scenery, some cute chicks and good roads!
(10-03-2018 12:55 AM)DanxBeToGawd Wrote: [ -> ]I am brand new here, so I apologize if this should be its own thread, in a different thread, etc. I'll happily relocate it if so. I want to move somewhere and learn a language.

I lived in Saigon, Vietnam for 1.5 years and loved it. During my time there, I visited Chiang Mai as well as Pai once and loved both places.

I want to move somewhere, learn the language, study a martial art(s) (currently training in MMA where I am now), and pick up women for a year (maybe longer).

I'm considering Chiang Mai, Pai, Brazil, and Ukraine (Kiev or Odessa).

I'm struggling to make a decision.

Some advantages apply to all of these places (excellent nature spots, great food, fun things to do), so I'll try to to target pros and cons that don't apply to all.

With Thailand, the pros are that I've been there and loved it Also, plenty of options for martial arts training. The cons are that I'm not massively motivated to learn Thai (I do love their culture though, so that may compensate for that some) as Asian languages aren't my favorite-sounding and its not super useful outside of Thailand, and also that I've had my fill of Asian women living in Saigon. I'd mainly prefer to game non-Asians at this point. That said, both towns have a decent year-round supply of foreign tourists from what I've gathered.

With Brazil, the pros are that there's a decent supply of non-Asian women (not hating, just looking to expand my horizons at this point) looking for casual sex and plenty of options for martial arts training, The main con is that I'm not interested in Portuguese.

With Ukraine, the pros are that there's lots of non-Asian women around who are stunningly beautiful, they speak Russian, which is useful and it is my favorite-sounding language, and I just have a really strong instinct based on expats I've talked to, videos I've seen, etc. that I'll really like it there. The cons are that the women are more geared towards settling down as I understand it, so Ukraine may be a better place to land in several years. Some other cons are that Russian is hard as fuck to learn from what I understand (I do know the Cyrrilic alphabet. Knowing the alphabet isn't much, but hey, it's a start), and it's a little too cold. I need to do more research into the martial arts situation, but I'm sure Kiev has instructors who can teach an English-speaker. it is a big city after all.

What are your thoughts on moving to Thailand despite mainly being interested in banging non-Asians. Is it as stupid as it sounds? I don't feel particularly "drawn" to Brazil aside from the fact that there's hot girls, it's cheap, and fun. Are there any other places you'd suggest for cheap, fun and hot non-Asian women?

I get that there are cheap summer destinations on the Mediterranean coast where European women vacate, but I imagine those places are kind of a drag as far as women goes during the off season?


I'm a location independent martial arts fanatic like you and I was facing the same questions. I've decided BOTH. Chiang Mai is unlivable during the Burning Season, spend the time in the Ukraine instead (they give you 90 days out of 180). I've got some decent connections in the Ukraine if you want some advice.
(10-03-2018 12:27 PM)DarkTriad Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a location independent martial arts fanatic like you and I was facing the same questions. I've decided BOTH. Chiang Mai is unlivable during the Burning Season, spend the time in the Ukraine instead (they give you 90 days out of 180). I've got some decent connections in the Ukraine if you want some advice.

By "days out of 180" you're saying the Burning Season is 180 days, but I'll be able to stay in Ukraine for 90?
(10-03-2018 12:59 PM)DanxBeToGawd Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-03-2018 12:27 PM)DarkTriad Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a location independent martial arts fanatic like you and I was facing the same questions. I've decided BOTH. Chiang Mai is unlivable during the Burning Season, spend the time in the Ukraine instead (they give you 90 days out of 180). I've got some decent connections in the Ukraine if you want some advice.

By "days out of 180" you're saying the Burning Season is 180 days, but I'll be able to stay in Ukraine for 90?

No, in Ukraine they give you 90 of every 180 days. Dont know how long burning season is, but definitely shorty than those 90 days.
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