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Well, there you go, yes Hua Hin did not seem to offer much in terms of the place itself, maybe golf is the only thing. And that nice little ice-cream parlour.

Phuket is a bigger place, more interesting and I did get the feeling it has more to it than the seedy nightlife but you really have to make an effort to get to know it. Good massages in Phuket. Karon beach is definitely nothing to write home about. I changed to little villa in the end and that was nice. For some reason I prefer Bangkok, more to offer and I'm not a beach or golf fanatic anyway.

You're right about being overrun with Russians! I had an older Russian woman trying to shoo me away from my lounger which ended badly for her.

Jim, what are your other favourite places in Thailand?

@ Baatum Mania

I hear you, I see these Korean girls in Singapore airport all the time, tall statuesque, porcelain skin, my oh my oh my. Stylish dressers too.
(11-27-2018 08:19 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]Cambodia is the other option on this front. Koh Rong and Koh Rong Samloem are both phenomenal for the beaches. Both are the best for getting a bungalow on a beach with basically no one else on it. Koh Rong is a bit of a party/backpacker island in the main town but basically anywhere outside that is chill, offers a good combination for swooping and relaxing though. Samloem is more upscale but basically is just a tiny island with ridiculous white beaches all round and bungalows everywhere. You get to either from Sihanoukville.

Somebody above said that going to the cambodian islands is a massive hassle. It's a neverending boring trip of bus and ferries for a not so good location when compared to thailand and malaysia.
(11-27-2018 10:24 PM)randomA Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2018 08:19 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]Cambodia is the other option on this front. Koh Rong and Koh Rong Samloem are both phenomenal for the beaches. Both are the best for getting a bungalow on a beach with basically no one else on it. Koh Rong is a bit of a party/backpacker island in the main town but basically anywhere outside that is chill, offers a good combination for swooping and relaxing though. Samloem is more upscale but basically is just a tiny island with ridiculous white beaches all round and bungalows everywhere. You get to either from Sihanoukville.

Somebody above said that going to the cambodian islands is a massive hassle. It's a neverending boring trip of bus and ferries for a not so good location when compared to thailand and malaysia.

One man's paradise is another man's hell.
Has anyone been to Khao San Road in the last couple of months? I've really enjoyed the place in the past, due to the convenient set up and large volume of young, girls from around the world, but I know the government have stepped in and regulated everything, so looking for an update on how that has affected the volume and overall vibe of the nightlife there. I noticed the hotels seem a bit cheaper than the same time last year, so that's a worrying sign. Don't really give a toss what it's like during the day- just between say 8pm-2am.
Question:
I’m crossing by ferry into Thailand. Getting conflicting info online and from dummy clueless backpackers.

Is Thailand still 15 days visa free by land?

Please don’t hesitate to confirm.
I’m waiting on this to buy my return plane ticket.

Cambodian Islands
They are surprisingly beautiful (given what the rest of Cambodia is like). However your journey there is a long one:

Fly to PP> Taxi to bus> 4-5 hour bus (plus wait time) > tuk tuk > open air fastboat (usually morning only) > drag bags across entire beach and sandy village.

Congratulations you’re on a tiny island with a bunch of western backpackers who mostly tap out as a thick 5-6. There’s literally nothing to do. I’d literally have to be with a Victoria Secret model pregnant with my first born baby to resist swimming for shore.

On sumilon I did see hot girls sunbathing. I think it’s totally random. I was on a day trip so I didn’t even open them. I saw a broken billboard type sign claiming there are full moon parties on a “secret beach” (it was like a garbage dump).

Did you notice the RAW SEWAGE streaming into the water past the village? A stunning, stinking black river directly to the sea. Made me think twice about swimming or even walking barefoot. Oooh hepitatis.

OK I think it’s good if you’re with a wing to swoop two sets. But you really need to be ok with embracing total nothingness there.

Getting off the boat there were buzz saws going off all along the beach constructing bungalows. Seemingly all day long. People who cheap out and get the thatch huts have had their phones and money stolen. Though that’s more a problem along the main beach south of Sihanoukville.

Langkawi
The last few week nights in Langkawi have been dead compared to weekend. I was forced to swoop chinese sets from Guangzhou.

Lots of girls visit from GZ bc it’s a direct flight. They want a cheap warm beach holiday come winter. It was a bit awkward but I fumbled through my limited chinese. We finished a bucket of beer on the beach.

Having dinner tonight with them. One nice I kinda forgot about Chinese sets. The ugly girlfriend will usually happily wing you along. She was very helpful keeping her hot friend engaged with me. She even said you like my friend? Good.

Though right before I met them I was cursing how trashy the Chinese tourists are. Was getting my feet massaged on the street. Chinese family comes next to me.

Mom sits down for one. Kids are going ape shit around the side walk kicking bottles and slamming into other tourists. Finally I ask are these your kids? They’re disturbing everyone. She’s like whatever.

Dad is a total cuck too. Uh you don’t feel compelled to say something? Even the Malay massagers are rolling their eyes and getting slammed into by your little emporer bastards. If those were my kids I’d smack their face and make them apologize to each person present.

Honestly girls I met were trashy too. That’s kinda the thing about chinese. They’re nice and social. You jut have to ignore the trashiness.

Both of these chicks had ugly tats and smoked. But it was easier that or chubby backpackers. That’s no choice.

I noticed a couple Indian families too. Their daughters look hot and bored. Anyone ever open an Indian daughter in front of her dad??

The drunk Pakistani bachelor party bought everyone at the beach bar shots. Then proceeded to start a fight with each other. When I left he was opening a plain Malay two set.

He said the Thai Islands are way better. Phi Phi for instance had 20,000 people lining the entire beach for 2 kilometers. This morning I scrolled Instagram and saw a photo a girl took right before she lost her phone in the malay on phi phi.

I heard break ins and theft is a problem on that island and some others with a party scene. Anyone experience that?
How does one get pumpkin pie and coo whip in a shithole like Kuala Lumpur?

Asking for a friend
(11-28-2018 12:40 AM)Adrenaline Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone been to Khao San Road in the last couple of months? I've really enjoyed the place in the past, due to the convenient set up and large volume of young, girls from around the world, but I know the government have stepped in and regulated everything, so looking for an update on how that has affected the volume and overall vibe of the nightlife there. I noticed the hotels seem a bit cheaper than the same time last year, so that's a worrying sign. Don't really give a toss what it's like during the day- just between say 8pm-2am.

Was there 2 weeks ago. It's still a clusterfcuk.

Overall, Thailand is running short on farang. Indians and Chinese are filling the gap, but you won't see many of them on Khao San. Lots of Korean women though. Went to The Club disco right in the middle of the strip on a Thursday night and Koreans seemed to make up some 50% of the female clientele.

Thai pros don't bother coming down to Khao San anymore. The girls plying their trade on the punters exiting The Club were all either African or ladyboys. Spoke to one of the Africans and she was from Tanzania.
(11-27-2018 03:27 PM)Jefferson Wrote: [ -> ]Well, there you go, yes Hua Hin did not seem to offer much in terms of the place itself, maybe golf is the only thing. And that nice little ice-cream parlour.

Phuket is a bigger place, more interesting and I did get the feeling it has more to it than the seedy nightlife but you really have to make an effort to get to know it. Good massages in Phuket. Karon beach is definitely nothing to write home about. I changed to little villa in the end and that was nice. For some reason I prefer Bangkok, more to offer and I'm not a beach or golf fanatic anyway.

You're right about being overrun with Russians! I had an older Russian woman trying to shoo me away from my lounger which ended badly for her.

Jim, what are your other favourite places in Thailand?

@ Baatum Mania

I hear you, I see these Korean girls in Singapore airport all the time, tall statuesque, porcelain skin, my oh my oh my. Stylish dressers too.

Actually said Pattaya for the seedy nightlife, that place is actually very big but it's basically a big ugly city with some mediocre beaches, some exceptional golf courses and the seedy nightlife.

Phuket has a fair bit more to offer in general than Pattaya although the golf here isn't nearly as good as Pattaya, Hua Hin or Bangkok. Lots more adventure and tourist type stuff.

My favourite spots are probably Samui, Phi Phi and Bangkok but really depends what you're looking for.

Samui is odd in that I don't find the beaches there to be anything special (they're fine, just nothing great), the nightlife isn't on the same level as Phuket/Pattaya/Bangkok but in a way that's a nice thing, it's more akin to what I want for tropical nightlife in that regard, I find the villas to be a bit nicer, I love the airport and the whole place is like Phuket without the excessive tourism/population. Don't get me wrong, it's not getting mistaken for a relaxed or undeveloped place, it's still very developed but it's just a bit more wound back than Phuket.

Bangkok is one of my favourite cities, if it wasn't so dirty, polluted and the traffic wasn't so exceptionally bad (and if i found Thai women more attractive) it would be a great place to live, I don't mind it for a few weeks at a time though as it is. You'd have to try to not have fun there though for a place that's very cheap, I always seem to find ways to blow inordinate amounts of money there (golf, skybars, etc).

Phi Phi is just paradise with a nice grungy backpacker scene that attracts above average amounts of women. Not somewhere you'd want to spend too long but for a quick one week hit and run it's pretty damn great.

Phuket is kind of the mutant blend of all the other places, the gym/workout culture is as good as anywhere in Thailand that I've seen with a lot of options on that front, beaches are solid, some are great, it's a nice port to go to a bunch of other places for daytrips/weektrips and the like. I also have a soft spot for Russian women so that element is absolutely a positive in my eyes.

(11-27-2018 10:24 PM)randomA Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-27-2018 08:19 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]Cambodia is the other option on this front. Koh Rong and Koh Rong Samloem are both phenomenal for the beaches. Both are the best for getting a bungalow on a beach with basically no one else on it. Koh Rong is a bit of a party/backpacker island in the main town but basically anywhere outside that is chill, offers a good combination for swooping and relaxing though. Samloem is more upscale but basically is just a tiny island with ridiculous white beaches all round and bungalows everywhere. You get to either from Sihanoukville.

Somebody above said that going to the cambodian islands is a massive hassle. It's a neverending boring trip of bus and ferries for a not so good location when compared to thailand and malaysia.

Eh depends what you consider a hassle really, I found it ridiculously easy. The bus from Phnom Penh is a few hours, it's not particularly nice (though I'm sure you can pay a bit more and get better) but this is genuine 3rd world so expectations were low, had no issues. Dropped me at my hotel in Sihanoukville (worth a night or two but I found the beaches to be exceedingly average, more for the casinos/nightlife which is pretty fun) and then the hotel gave me a free lift to the pier (it would have been a 3 minute walk downhill anyway but not one to turn down a free ride!), then walked on pier, got on boat and was on the island, boat was nice and took not very long. I stayed at a remote hotel so simply got a water taxi with a few randoms going the same way, think it was $10 but don't quote me on it, got up there and landed at the doorstep of the hotel.

Samloem I simply walked into town in Koh Rong, asked for a boat to pick me up from my hotel and take me there, my memory of it was that I couldn't actually understand how they made money on the trip given how cheap it was but can't remember the number, either way took an hour and a bit from memory and again, dropped at hotel "door".

I believe you can even fly to Sihanoukville if the bus is too much.

Honestly found it very easy, I'd think you're looking at the kind of folks who consider having to catch a bus to be a genuine hardship if they found getting to the islands difficult.

This is a generic google photo of Koh Rong but it legitimately looks like this photo, or at least it did for the 10 days I was there and honestly Samloem was even nicer.

[Image: Koh-Rong-and-Samloem-Islands-in-Cambodia...-x-708.jpg]

(11-28-2018 01:04 AM)Pilgrim Pumper Wrote: [ -> ]Question:
I’m crossing by ferry into Thailand. Getting conflicting info online and from dummy clueless backpackers.

Is Thailand still 15 days visa free by land?

Please don’t hesitate to confirm.
I’m waiting on this to buy my return plane ticket.

Depends what passport you hold but for most nations (55 or something iirc), Thailand is 30 days visa free, extendable for another 30 days if you wish (have to go to immigration, half the time it's cheaper to fly out and back then to extend, 1900 baht).

Land border as far as I know the only difference is that they only allow two land border entries per calendar year (strict) as opposed to flying that generally is 6+ before they'll ask questions.
Samui sounds good, Phuket did feel a bit overrun with tourists.

So where do you think is the nicest beach in Thailand? And what is the best beach option close to Bangkok?

Bangkok is really great, I must say some of the condos you can get there, with library where you can work, great pool, gym, can be had at a very good price. There's tons of stuff to do, the food is varied, massages superb. They have a skytrain so you don't need a car. How anyone can not like Bangkok is beyond me.
(11-28-2018 10:30 AM)Jefferson Wrote: [ -> ]Samui sounds good, Phuket did feel a bit overrun with tourists.

So where do you think is the nicest beach in Thailand? And what is the best beach option close to Bangkok?

Bangkok is really great, I must say some of the condos you can get there, with library where you can work, great pool, gym, can be had at a very good price. There's tons of stuff to do, the food is varied, massages superb. They have a skytrain so you don't need a car. How anyone can not like Bangkok is beyond me.

No idea on Bangkok beaches, basically I fly out of Bangkok when that comes time, the islands essentially.

I think Freedom Beach is probably my favourite that I've been to (it's on Phuket), it's only a couple of hundred metres long (if that) and not the easiest to find but super chill, perfect water and sand. Maya Bay on Phi Phi Le is phenomenal, stupid crowded these days unfortunately but it's still an exceptional beach. Chaweng on Samui is about as good as "absurdly commercial and popular" beaches get, it's nothing special as a beach but it's got a ton of cool beach clubs along it that make it fun and it's always got some scenery.

Honestly, Thailand beaches are on that "good but not great" train for me. I much preferred the beaches in Africa, Zanzibar in particular was insane. I liked Koh Rong and Phu Quoc more as well from the neighbours.

Ultimately though it probably comes down to what you want in a beach, I'm actually not a huge beach goer myself, personally I just like something with warm, calm water, soft sand and not loud and crowded, I'm always a sucker for turquoise water as well. Doesn't hurt if there is some eye candy as well but I can survive without it.

Bangkok I enjoy but I can totally buy not liking it. Dirty, loud, the traffic, stupidly crowded and all that. I really like the city but there are elements I don't like and if you focused on those sides of it I'm sure one would hate it. I don't think I could live there personally but it's great for a stopover or a bit of a break.
Thanks Jim, so Samui sounds better and better. When I go to Bangkok I will see about a trip there.

I'm in the Caribbean now, so thick white sands, turquoise water, not crowded. The beaches here are much better than anything I've seen in Thailand. Generally in SE Asia you have to look hard to find really good beaches.

Bangkok has nice parts, those shiny malls close to Siam MRT, and you can walk on the Skytrain walkway which is just covered open on the sides and above the traffic, which works fine for me. Yes, it is crowded, but then any big city will be. It has the advantages of a big city in spades though.
(11-28-2018 11:32 AM)Jefferson Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Jim, so Samui sounds better and better. When I go to Bangkok I will see about a trip there.

I'm in the Caribbean now, so thick white sands, turquoise water, not crowded. The beaches here are much better than anything I've seen in Thailand. Generally in SE Asia you have to look hard to find really good beaches.

Bangkok has nice parts, those shiny malls close to Siam MRT, and you can walk on the Skytrain walkway which is just covered open on the sides and above the traffic, which works fine for me. Yes, it is crowded, but then any big city will be. It has the advantages of a big city in spades though.

Yeah Caribbean are nicer on average, I still think African beaches were better, fwiw, was actually surprised as I'd never really thought about Africa as a beach place (outside Seychelles and Mauritius I guess) but that whole area is just insane Kenya, Tanzania and all that.

Thailand has a good average beach level but not as many stunners, most of SEA has pretty low averages for mine with a few good ones here and there.
I can believe it re African beaches, the only places I'd go near Africa would be Seychelles and Mauritius though. Africa has too many problems and is not culturally interesting to me. Also I don't want to get Ebola or the Bubonic plague.

In terms of culture SE Asia is simply the best. Civilized, great food, and the culture is different to what I know as a Western man, so interesting.
Fellas we should absolutely catch up in BKK ! I’m quite amazed by the knowledge on some little details about Asia that some of you have.

Personaly I want to pull Milfs, sugar mummies. Heard that hotel bars could be the place to meet some. Any other idea ? I want to try cold approaches to hotties, high so , normal girls too even more as Tinder getting shit as hell like other mentioned. I try some randoms cold approaches near bts , but didn’t get something. Im afraid that’s its turning like the west, even with balls it doesn’t change much …

@bushido great post about cold approaches but still result is soso from now.. About you man ? Also we should catchup too u seem to have a great mindset.

Anybody here , I’m staying near on nut. Feel free to PM me or you can drop me a line on my email : ockrent75 at gmail dot com.
(11-28-2018 11:42 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-28-2018 11:32 AM)Jefferson Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks Jim, so Samui sounds better and better. When I go to Bangkok I will see about a trip there.

I'm in the Caribbean now, so thick white sands, turquoise water, not crowded. The beaches here are much better than anything I've seen in Thailand. Generally in SE Asia you have to look hard to find really good beaches.

Bangkok has nice parts, those shiny malls close to Siam MRT, and you can walk on the Skytrain walkway which is just covered open on the sides and above the traffic, which works fine for me. Yes, it is crowded, but then any big city will be. It has the advantages of a big city in spades though.

Yeah Caribbean are nicer on average, I still think African beaches were better, fwiw, was actually surprised as I'd never really thought about Africa as a beach place (outside Seychelles and Mauritius I guess) but that whole area is just insane Kenya, Tanzania and all that.

Thailand has a good average beach level but not as many stunners, most of SEA has pretty low averages for mine with a few good ones here and there.

I’ve gotten sick (er) more often in SEAsia than anywhere else in the world combined. Parts of Africa (Mozambique, Tanzania, Eritea) have some of the most pristine beaches in the world. No one really catches those diseases unless you’re actually in the middle of the villages of Liberia/Congo handling sick people. If you’re not interested in their culture then Africa ain’t for you.

Yeh Thailand’s beaches don’t come close to the Caribbean so you will be disappointed. It makes up for the ease of pulling, cheap cost, and debauchery.
I also had an incident in Phuket, due to eating a rice-cake at this Cabaret. But yeah, Africa really is not for me, it doesn't pull me in for any reason, I believe the beaches can be good. But Asia is the place for me. Maybe it's the people, the cheap prices, just love it.
How much annual $$ do you guys think would make for a comfortable living in BKK?

I’m thinking $48k/yr ($4k/month) would give you a nice lifestyle.
(11-29-2018 03:30 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote: [ -> ]How much annual $$ do you guys think would make for a comfortable living in BKK?

I’m thinking $48k/yr ($4k/month) would give you a nice lifestyle.

On that kind of money you're going to be saving half your income in Thailand. You can rent a nice place in the center of BKK month-to-month for 500-1000 USD depending on your lifestyle. A meal costs 50-100 baht. Coffee 50-100 baht. I don't drink anymore but from what I've seen around town beer at normal places is around 80-100 baht and cocktails range from 100-300 baht. Getting around you can take grab - maybe costs 200-300 baht to get from one side of BKK to the other - or BTS/Skytrain. Super cheap. Many of the luxury condos have gyms so that expense should be built in to your rent.
I think you'd have to be very young to be prepared to live as a Westerner on $2k per month.
I think you'd have to be very young to be prepared to live as a Westerner on $2k per month.
On the flight to BKK! Send PMs if any of you fine gents are in the area and would like to grab a beer!
(11-28-2018 07:23 AM)Salaryman Wrote: [ -> ]Was there 2 weeks ago. It's still a clusterfcuk.

Overall, Thailand is running short on farang. Indians and Chinese are filling the gap, but you won't see many of them on Khao San. Lots of Korean women though. Went to The Club disco right in the middle of the strip on a Thursday night and Koreans seemed to make up some 50% of the female clientele.

Good info. Where do Korean girls (and Chinese, Japanese for that matter) tend to hang out during the day here? Thinking of giving day game a shot. I heard approaching them in clubs is mostly useless since they're surrounded by aggressive cockblocking Korean guy sponsors and orbiters flying them out on weekend trips.
(11-29-2018 03:30 AM)jbkunt2 Wrote: [ -> ]How much annual $$ do you guys think would make for a comfortable living in BKK?

I’m thinking $48k/yr ($4k/month) would give you a nice lifestyle.

How long is a piece of string?

It really depends how you plan on living in BKK, you could easily do it on 2k a month if you're frugal.

If you want to hit the skybars with any regularity, eat at premium restaurants, play golf at the better courses and generally live the high life then it can quickly get expensive. Sky bars are generally in the $10-15 a drink range, premium restaurants aren't much cheaper than in major cities back home, golf can be $200 for a round at some of the better courses.

You can get a nice central apartment for $750 (Asok, Nana type area) a month generally, it will be small and probably have a kitchenette rather than an actual kitchen but if you plan to eat out mostly it will be more than enough. Something bigger/nicer/with views/etc can get expensive pretty quickly though.

Again, that budget would do it easily but it depends how you want to live for whether it will be what you want or just scraping by or the dream.
(11-30-2018 06:48 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]probably have a kitchenette rather than an actual kitchen but if you plan to eat out mostly it will be more than enough.

The biggest problem for us Westerners in most of Asia and even a lot of Eastern Europe. Almost all of American cuisine is oven based (except for Redneck BBQs). Then you go to Asia where it's like: "here's a small fridge and a frying pan station ~ good luck!". Of course Asian food is going to be carb heavy because all you can cook is rice, rice noodles and vegetables when you're stuck to a frying pan and a rice cooker.
(11-30-2018 07:54 PM)BaatumMania Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-30-2018 06:48 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: [ -> ]probably have a kitchenette rather than an actual kitchen but if you plan to eat out mostly it will be more than enough.

The biggest problem for us Westerners in most of Asia and even a lot of Eastern Europe. Almost all of American cuisine is oven based (except for Redneck BBQs). Then you go to Asia where it's like: "here's a small fridge and a frying pan station ~ good luck!". Of course Asian food is going to be carb heavy because all you can cook is rice, rice noodles and vegetables when you're stuck to a frying pan and a rice cooker.

Couple of places I stayed had a bar fridge, a kettle and a microwave and a portable hotplate, not sure that can qualify as a kitchen Smile

Some do actually have ovens but they're super uncommon. To be honest though, not sure why anyone would bother cooking in Asia when you can get food from most restaurants for basically what it would cost you to cook it and not have to clean, cook or prepare anything. Other than if you're some kind of hygiene monster or micromanager of caloric intake I just can't find a benefit in doing it, especially as someone who is a mediocre cook!
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