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The problem is that guys don't go out and approach girls in real life any more and instead bitch on this forum about how online game has gotten harder because of all those European male models. If you can't get laid with higher quality girls (or similar quality but higher quantity) in Bangkok than in your home country, something is seriously wrong with your game or appearance. And I am not talking about RSD fag daygame style where you run around in shopping malls hitting nonstop on girls who speak zero English. Go out at night, enjoy some of the best nightlife this planet has to offer and meet some of the many girls who are down to fuck a foreigner they just met in a bar or club.

And if you do rely on Online Game and can't get laid in Bangkok, something with your photos, looks or the way you text is seriously wrong. Go fix that first and try again.
Any guy on this forum claiming banging 8s or 9s from online dating in SEA is full of shit, i have yet to see one single foreigner with that kind of caliber even on the streets or venues.
Coming from a foreign country to thailand changes your perception of girl’s real beauty score due to the exotic factor. I think it’s safe to say once a girl is rated more than 5, you’ve got a lot of variance about guys ratings, an 8 for one guy might be perceived as a 6 for another one. The debate about banging quality chicks in SEA Is mostly useless as ratings variance is huge. But one thing is sure: most of what foreign guys rate as hot, are the exact opposite for what local guys are looking for!
(01-05-2019 04:11 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]Any guy on this forum claiming banging 8s or 9s from online dating in SEA is full of shit, i have yet to see one single foreigner with that kind of caliber even on the streets or venues.
Coming from a foreign country to thailand changes your perception of girl’s real beauty score due to the exotic factor. I think it’s safe to say once a girl is rated more than 5, you’ve got a lot of variance about guys ratings, an 8 for one guy might be perceived as a 6 for another one. The debate about banging quality chicks in SEA Is mostly useless as ratings variance is huge. But one thing is sure: most of what foreign guys rate as hot, are the exact opposite for what local guys are looking for!

Rating inflation also happens on Reddit, Bodybuilding and any social media site. No guy wants to admit to banging a hambeast, a midget, baggage or an undesirable woman so they add on a few points and pretended to never bang any of the aforementioned.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO-BUJC...V4A/videos

Or even on YouTube where guys in the comment section think this guy's Thai girlfriend is hot but she look so hideous next to the typical bar fine girl (never mind a model or a good looking Thai).
Spoke with a guy recently

Hopeless with girls - no dates no gf virgin etc

Got laid multiple times in SEA, including Thailand

Not gonna post his pic of course but if he can get laid and you cant

You have serious problems
(01-05-2019 04:11 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]But one thing is sure: most of what foreign guys rate as hot, are the exact opposite for what local guys are looking for!


That's probably true, but who cares? The whole point of overseas bang trips (as I see it) is to spend time with women who are enjoyable to be around and whom you find attractive, not to attract the envy or admiration of the local men. I couldn't care less if a pleasant girl with a pretty face and other nice features is deemed undesirable by her kinsmen on the basis of her darker skin colour or low socioeconomic status.

This reminds me of one of the girls I spoke with in Bangkok (but didn't bang). She was a girl with slightly tanned skin and nice curves (in the right places), who kept describing herself as 'fat and black'. Probably by Thai standards she was, but by Western standards no way would she be considered overweight. If she had grown up in my home city she would most likely have developed the exact opposite view of herself and an attitude problem to match, with hundreds or even thousands of online suitors clamouring for her attention.
(01-05-2019 04:11 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]Any guy on this forum claiming banging 8s or 9s from online dating in SEA is full of shit, i have yet to see one single foreigner with that kind of caliber even on the streets or venues.
Coming from a foreign country to thailand changes your perception of girl’s real beauty score due to the exotic factor. I think it’s safe to say once a girl is rated more than 5, you’ve got a lot of variance about guys ratings, an 8 for one guy might be perceived as a 6 for another one. The debate about banging quality chicks in SEA Is mostly useless as ratings variance is huge. But one thing is sure: most of what foreign guys rate as hot, are the exact opposite for what local guys are looking for!

This whole post is oxymoronic. First you say that you've never seen a foreigner with an 8 or 9, then you say that everyone's standards vary and then you, quite ridiculously, say that we should use local Thai guys standards for what is hot when coming from afar.

One of the greatest things when traveling is when your personal preferences for women do not align with the societal standards they're from. Why would you go to a country to chase women that you personally find unattractive to try and impress the locals?
That’s why i say debating quality of girls is very subjective and useless. My definition of a thai girl rated 8+ rarely matches the issan type of girl most of foreigner qualify as HOT. I find myself more aligned with the ideal beauty by thai society standards: light skinned, thin, NOT masculine face features...which btw are the exact opposite of the typical darkskinned thai girl look in general. At the end it’s just a matter of personal preference...
Was in Bangkok last month. Before I went, I've put my tinder location to Bangkok. Now, I am not a model by any means, just young(23) and fit, and let me tell you I am very very picky, so I only swiped right like 10 out of 100 girls. Before I arrived in Bangkok I had like 200 matches, and girls hitting me up without writing to them, and my online game is pretty low since I don't give a fuck about it. And let me tell you, as soon as I went out, I completely forgot about tinder. I was getting so much attention and compliments, I honestly didn't even need to use it. So whoever says pulling in Bangkok is hard, probably they have some issues they need to work on. What I've noticed though is that thai girls now prefer younger foreigners instead of old dudes, even the semi-pros.
The old "Westerners think girls that the Thais think are average are hot" argument is just nonsense.

Thais are idiots. 99% of them don't have two brain cells to rub together. The more time one spends in Thailand the more impossible it is not to come to that conclusion sadly.

If an average Thai told me that 1+1=2 I'd have a little think to make sure he was right.

Who gives a fuck what they think?

Going native is for losers.
Thai might be idiots IQ Wise but What’s the relationship between intelligence and rating woman’s beauty?
The type of girls who choose to date foreigners, most of them are doing it by lack of choice. If she had access to well off thai guys who find her attractive enough by their standards and are on a the same level of wealth as westerners, why on the hell would she even consider seeking foreigners in the first place? Now she can have a thai mediocre guy who accepts her because of his own lack of choice, but that goes against woman hypergamy nature. Women never settle for mediocrity.
I bet if thailand were 15+ points higher in IQ on average and much higher median salary, most westerners would find a hard time to close those same kind of girls.
We always get back to the same principles, the dating market in thailand as of now is in favour of most westerners for a good reason. Supply and demand.
(01-06-2019 06:49 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]Thai might be idiots IQ Wise but What’s the relationship between intelligence and rating woman’s beauty?
The type of girls who choose to date foreigners, most of them are doing it by lack of choice. If she had access to well off thai guys who find her attractive enough by their standards and are on a the same level of wealth as westerners, why on the hell would she even consider seeking foreigners in the first place? Now she can have a thai mediocre guy who accepts her because of his own lack of choice, but that goes against woman hypergamy nature. Women never settle for mediocrity.
I bet if thailand were 15+ points higher in IQ on average and much higher median salary, most westerners would find a hard time to close those same kind of girls.
We always get back to the same principles, the dating market in thailand as of now is in favour of most westerners for a good reason. Supply and demand.

That's not the point.

The point is "who cares?"

Thinking this way is just insecurity manifesting itself.

(The funny thing is most Thai men would rate an average blonde westerner as the most beautiful woman in the world. I know this because I actually know lots of Thais. In real life.)
(01-05-2019 04:11 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]Any guy on this forum claiming banging 8s or 9s from online dating in SEA is full of shit, i have yet to see one single foreigner with that kind of caliber even on the streets or venues.

It is doable but absolutely hard and you must be a "top 10" man in terms of look and some other strong social status, also add that 8s and 9s from online dating are absolutely hard to find.

Let me share what happened in the past days here:

I have a wingman which always travel with me (We've been to Ibiza, Moscow, Malta, Bangkok now etc). He's 5'7, 33yo but he does very well on Instagram and Tinder. He's just good looking (plus: a doctor), but he's no means a body builder or has a beach body like, also his game level is low. For example, when I met him the first time (about 5 years ago), his game was simply... wait for the girl to approach. For some lads, things are so simple that they don't have to do any effort to pull.

Anyway, he met this rich thai woman on tinder which simply treated him like a king. She brought him anywhere in the city with her Mercedes-Benz, bought him things and she was at least an 8. And yes, you know those tinder descriptions full of bs saying that "NO ONS/NO HOLIDAY DATE/blablablabla" ? When these type of guys show up, they ditch all this bs from the profile. Like he ended up just hooking up with her, but another girls he met they simply say things like "I meet you in your apartment" and so on without even having a proper first contact (no kiss/escalation).

The truth is: if you are white and don't care about quality, you can bang at least 1 girl per day from online (tf and baddoo, tinder maybe). Good looking guys are going to pull a lot here, specially if they are ~25yo.

Ps.: his tinder pictures are nothing close to what red-pill philosophy says we should do. No pictures with friends or girls, all smiling etc.
(01-06-2019 06:49 AM)Trancemission Wrote: [ -> ]Thai might be idiots IQ Wise but What’s the relationship between intelligence and rating woman’s beauty?
The type of girls who choose to date foreigners, most of them are doing it by lack of choice. If she had access to well off thai guys who find her attractive enough by their standards and are on a the same level of wealth as westerners, why on the hell would she even consider seeking foreigners in the first place? Now she can have a thai mediocre guy who accepts her because of his own lack of choice, but that goes against woman hypergamy nature. Women never settle for mediocrity.
I bet if thailand were 15+ points higher in IQ on average and much higher median salary, most westerners would find a hard time to close those same kind of girls.
We always get back to the same principles, the dating market in thailand as of now is in favour of most westerners for a good reason. Supply and demand.

Many, many girls all over the world sleep with foreign men more easily than with local men for several well-known reasons:

- they're bored with their day-to-day lives and fancy some escapism
- they're curious about foreign men (a curiosity that may be heightened by positive depictions in pop culture)
- they may believe that any negative experiences they have had with local men will not be repeated with foreign men (e.g. the locals might have a reputation, deserved or not, for rudeness, violence and/or infidelity)
- they can sleep with foreigners more discreetly, with less chance of their social circle and family knowing about it and shaming them
- they may have a fetish for a particular physical phenotype
- foreigners on holiday are usually centrally located, with superior logistics.

In addition, pale skin and finer facial features are viewed as attractive in Thailand, so foreign white men are always going to benefit from that, or at least until the beauty standards there change - which is unlikely to happen any time soon. Western males are also usually taller and more muscular than the local competition (I'm talking about younger male travellers here, not the overweight retirees drinking themselves to death in Nana).

It's absurd to suggest that the only Thai girls willing to date foreigners are the desperate ones with no other viable options.
Having a clean style is also *very* important in Thailand, especially the hairstyle.

I let my hair go wild (unkempt, reaching my ears, ...) over the past 2 months because I was busy with work stuff and didn't pay attention. This last month I noticed I got less and less IOIs from Thai girls and at first I thought it was my vibe down from a bit of stress. Went to the haircut this week to have a fading at the sides and to cut the length at the top. Suddenly HUGE improvement in the girls' eye contacts in the street. It went from getting the occasional eye contact, to having all the girls fawn over me everywhere I walk. It's crazy how I could forget my former SMV of 2 months ago, just because of some minor issues I overlooked. Almost convinced myself that it was because it was the "tourist season".
Yes i noticed that also, for some weird reason it seems like thai girls hate the beard especially if you don’t have lazar angelov’s style beard. The high season thing is real at least as far as online dating is concerned. For example, I had a completely different experience in bali going there in peak season vs the beginning of wet season. Girls were a lot more receptive when competition was lower. This might apply to most highly touristy places also..
A 20% tourism bump might affect lower SMV men like you. After all, it means you're 20% more chumps getting flaked on by the fatties.

But for me, I'm probably a 7.5 - 8 to Asian people, it doesn't affect me. Groups of girls giggle at me in the malls, the waitress at the restaurant stares at me while serving the people in front of me, etc. I remember when I was in Bangkok there was one time where a group of maybe 10 student girls saw me passing by in the taxi, I gave them a smile and they began all crying and waiving at me until my taxi continued its way.
(01-07-2019 10:56 AM)facesitting++ Wrote: [ -> ]A 20% tourism bump might affect lower SMV men like you. After all, it means you're 20% more chumps getting flaked on by the fatties.

But for me, I'm probably a 7.5 - 8 to Asian people, it doesn't affect me. Groups of girls giggle at me in the malls, the waitress at the restaurant stares at me while serving the people in front of me, etc. I remember when I was in Bangkok there was one time where a group of maybe 10 student girls saw me passing by in the taxi, I gave them a smile and they began all crying and waiving at me until my taxi continued its way.

Crying?

You've been watching too many movies.
Was in bkk few days ago, but was so tired from work and jetlag that I cancelled the dates I lined up. Now I am in krabi, energy back up, but much harder to find local talent.

Anyone got same experience, think about moving over to phuket, but I kind of expect it to be similar as here.
@facesitting++
I almost cried reading your post?
(01-07-2019 12:17 PM)Saweeep Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-07-2019 10:56 AM)facesitting++ Wrote: [ -> ]A 20% tourism bump might affect lower SMV men like you. After all, it means you're 20% more chumps getting flaked on by the fatties.

But for me, I'm probably a 7.5 - 8 to Asian people, it doesn't affect me. Groups of girls giggle at me in the malls, the waitress at the restaurant stares at me while serving the people in front of me, etc. I remember when I was in Bangkok there was one time where a group of maybe 10 student girls saw me passing by in the taxi, I gave them a smile and they began all crying and waiving at me until my taxi continued its way.

Crying?

You've been watching too many movies.

I'm not a native english speaker, you make me having a small doubt whether in this context I can use "cry" in the meaning of "to shout" / "to giggle loudly". Can the english teachers of Thailand enlighten me?
During all these years I have spent going in and out of Thailand I can count with probably one hand the cases of what I saw as really beautiful Thai girls with Western guys. Now you can genuinely think that these brown skinned Issan girls are hot but after spending some time in Thailand and when the first time exotic factor wore off my beauty standards have become closer to the Thai ideal. I am not as adamant about the skin color as Thais are and although it is possible to see very pretty faced dark skinned girls, in 90 percent of cases farang guys' GFs and wives are just typical Issan women and plain ugly, there is no denying it. Of course, the guys usually don't represent the cream of the crop either, so it's not like they are downgrading anything.

With regards to Thai guys lusting after some average fat blonde is probably due to the same exotic factor as well.
(01-07-2019 10:56 AM)facesitting++ Wrote: [ -> ]A 20% tourism bump might affect lower SMV men like you. After all, it means you're 20% more chumps getting flaked on by the fatties.

But for me, I'm probably a 7.5 - 8 to Asian people, it doesn't affect me. Groups of girls giggle at me in the malls, the waitress at the restaurant stares at me while serving the people in front of me, etc. I remember when I was in Bangkok there was one time where a group of maybe 10 student girls saw me passing by in the taxi, I gave them a smile and they began all crying and waiving at me until my taxi continued its way.

Jesus christ, are you seriously saying this shit? What happened to this god damn forum / thread?
Stop barking. Yes I'm serious and any other decent looking young men probably experienced the same attitudes from the girls. Contrarily to an old perv living in Nana like you.
@facesitting++
Instead of disrespecting members, can you offer some value here?
(01-08-2019 06:56 AM)facesitting++ Wrote: [ -> ]Stop barking. Yes I'm serious and any other decent looking young men probably experienced the same attitudes from the girls. Contrarily to an old perv living in Nana like you.

What is wrong with you?

Thailand for sure attracts the weird and the disenfranchised huh.
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