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I went the classes route which I've posted about before (studied at a school which uses a system originally used to teach Christian missionaries to speak Thai). I've met others that studied through the same course, but at other schools, and they've consistently been the best speakers I've met for the amount of time they've been studying. I completed the basic 6 month course, at which stage I was pretty good and had no problems gaming from start to finish entirely in Thai. I did however, put in quite a lot of hours on learning vocabulary, and practicing when I was out, on top of the 3 hours per day x 5 days per week though - I was also the only one in my class after month 3, and so was able to come to the teacher with any questions on vocabulary that I'd ran into in day to day life, rather than only stick to the syllabus.

I might also study some of their more advanced modules such as newspaper reading in the future, but at that stage you're pretty much equipped to continue studying by yourself though, by reading books, watching television, etc. If you're interested in their system then I believe they do private instruction too (schools teaching that system are TLA where I studied, Unity, AAA (I think) and a few others that I can't recall - all are meant to be good, but some will likely have bigger class sizes than the one I went to, where class sizes were small and made up of mainly East Asian students).

I'm sure a private tutor would be just as good, but I'd make sure they know what they're doing and are teaching from an established syllabus of some kind. I definitely wouldn't recommend going to that school where they only let you listen to Thai conversation at first - forget the name but have met a few people over the years that had studied there for a while, and they were pretty poor speakers.

By far the best speaker I've met studied on Chula's course (he could even read and understand degree level texts in some subjects), but it's pretty expensive, and he did say it's heavy on reading and writing as opposed to speaking. On the other hand I know of people that speak like natives that never studied a day in their lives (one Swedish MT fighter speaks like a native and told me all the Thai he learned he learned from girls and asking questions), and remember meeting one guy that was pretty much fluent that said he used the books by Benjawan Poonsan Becker, and then just continued learning after himself.
One thing to add, on the course I did, at first they drill the consonant and vowel sounds with you for the first couple of days, by showing you how to position the mouth and tongue. However, it could be a good idea to get some extra time with a teacher at this stage to really get the sounds perfect, as I know my accent wasn't as good as it could have been until about month four, when they again focused on that, and I began to put in some time reading around online to really get the exact mechanics down. Whichever route you go, I'd really make sure they pay a lot of attention to your accent.

The schools I went to also use a system of transliteration for the first three months, rather than teaching through Thai alphabet. This increases the pace for learning to speak, but some learners might be put off by this.
I've been using this program: http://www.highspeedthai.com/

Very happy with it, I speak, write and read decent Thai now and are only at vocabulary lesson 22 out of 40 and then there is movie lessons to do as well.

The best thing in my opinion is that it starts with teaching the alphabet, so once I start to learn the vocabulary I can read, write, hear and speak the word. I would just use the program a few hours a week then practices with girls I'm spending time with and also when I'm chatting with them on LINE. I see nothing good with transliteration except maybe starting to speak the language quicker, but that's to no use if one need to learn the alphabet later on anyway. I'm not affiliated with them in anyway just very happy with the program, definitely worth those 6000bath which would equal to about 30hours of privet lessons at 200bath/h.

I've been banging girls who doesn't speak a word English, even had a relationship with a girl who barley spoke any English. It's great for learning and practicing the language but gets quite annoying if we were to have a serious discussion and had to use google translate.

I never wai to anyone, they don't expect farangs to do so and most farangs who do it embarrass themselves, disrespecting someone by doing it to low or disrespecting themselves by doing it to high.

One thing that's interesting with the languages is that while they have different pronouns for younger and older people they only one word for he and she, non gender specified.

I found this site to be good for translating and almost better than google translate as it translates word for word; http://www.thai2english.com/
(03-27-2015 02:08 AM)RichieP Wrote: [ -> ]Do you guys who speak/understand Thai feel like you're connecting with more of the "real" Thailand, like, actually getting under the skin of the place?

Getting a sense for what drives these people, what they actually care about, what they like/value, etc? Getting any real honest opinions out of them?

I found that particularly difficult there... everything was all smiles and telling me what they thought wanted to hear, or just laughing if I tried to get something deeper out of them... from basically everyone.

I dont blame them at all, afterall I was a short-term foreigner who doesn't speak their language. Would be nice to "get" them more though.

Interestingly I also found there to be a real lack of books that provide genuine insight into Thai culture and what makes Thais tick. For almost every other economically significant asian country there are some great books that can get you under the skin of the place... most of the books on "Thai culture" seem to be about the seedy bar scene, lol.


Great post RichieP. I will start off by saying it is tough to really answer your questions without discussing something that we cannot legally talk about. I think many Thais really just want to control their own destiny while others truly buy into what they are taught from when they are young. Most do their best to be successful and provide for their family as best they can within the system. The environment here shapes people profoundly because Thailand is not a meritocracy or a real democracy. The populace has no faith in the justice system or the rule of law, so they learn to adapt. The few people who have confided in me really love their country and culture, but when they start being honest about their dreams or what they really think, the conversation can go off the rails (I think most Thais, deep down, know this country is really screwed up). I think that is why most Thais just drown themselves in fun pursuits, or try to bring themselves happiness through materialism, gossip and casual sex(good for us).
(03-28-2015 04:51 PM)Satoshi Wrote: [ -> ]I've been using this program: http://www.highspeedthai.com/

Very happy with it, I speak, write and read decent Thai now and are only at vocabulary lesson 22 out of 40 and then there is movie lessons to do as well.

The best thing in my opinion is that it starts with teaching the alphabet, so once I start to learn the vocabulary I can read, write, hear and speak the word. I would just use the program a few hours a week then practices with girls I'm spending time with and also when I'm chatting with them on LINE. I see nothing good with transliteration except maybe starting to speak the language quicker, but that's to no use if one need to learn the alphabet later on anyway. I'm not affiliated with them in anyway just very happy with the program, definitely worth those 6000bath which would equal to about 30hours of privet lessons at 200bath/h.

I've been banging girls who doesn't speak a word English, even had a relationship with a girl who barley spoke any English. It's great for learning and practicing the language but gets quite annoying if we were to have a serious discussion and had to use google translate.

I never wai to anyone, they don't expect farangs to do so and most farangs who do it embarrass themselves, disrespecting someone by doing it to low or disrespecting themselves by doing it to high.

One thing that's interesting with the languages is that while they have different pronouns for younger and older people they only one word for he and she, non gender specified.

I found this site to be good for translating and almost better than google translate as it translates word for word; http://www.thai2english.com/

Both ways work well. I think if I was designing a system I'd use a combination of Thai and transliteration from the outset, as the scope of your speaking will be pretty limited in the early stages if you need to learn how to read and write more complex words that don't follow the typical rules of construction and pronunciation.

I found that in month three when writing began being taught, that it all just slotted into place very quickly and by the end of month three we were able to compose quite complex sentence structures because of our previously built speaking ability.

To be completely honest, when I started I had no interest in learning to read and write anyway - I just wanted to be able to speak, and I was pretty astonished by how good I was after just 2 months. But when I started learning to read and write, I found it really satisfying being out and about and being able to read the signs, song lyrics, etc, and then my vocab really started to snowball too, so maybe I'd have been better if I learned to read and write first.

Either way, anyone that puts in some proper time, can be pretty damn good within 4-6 months. It's really not a language that's going to take years of study to get anywhere - for example the guy I knew that studied on Chula's course was working as a translator after about 9 months.
Arrived here in Bangkok on Friday. Having a blast so far. What a fascinating and lively city it is!

Did 3 girls in my first couple of days here, which probably means it's time to slow down in that department. Need to get some work done!

Also, having trouble with the Thai accent at times. First TC girl I banged was really slutty and out of the blue appeared to tell me "I am whore." Was getting worried she was going to ask for money (wouldn't be the first time in SEA) and pressed her about what she meant. Turns out she wanted to say "I am cold" and the aircon was on too low. Laugh
Alot of info on this thread so sorry if this has been answered. But whats the best area to stay at for someone who's just coming to party for 3 days. Budget is around $30 a night give or take. Also what are the best areas to party (Trashy to upscale, I'm just coming to have fun). And the most important thing, what are the ladyboy areas to evade?
(03-29-2015 02:33 PM)DMario Wrote: [ -> ]Alot of info on this thread so sorry if this has been answered. But whats the best area to stay at for someone who's just coming to party for 3 days. Budget is around $30 a night give or take. Also what are the best areas to party (Trashy to upscale, I'm just coming to have fun). And the most important thing, what are the ladyboy areas to evade?


Try the first post in the thread. Wink
(03-29-2015 02:33 PM)DMario Wrote: [ -> ]Alot of info on this thread so sorry if this has been answered. But whats the best area to stay at for someone who's just coming to party for 3 days. Budget is around $30 a night give or take. Also what are the best areas to party (Trashy to upscale, I'm just coming to have fun). And the most important thing, what are the ladyboy areas to evade?

Normally I would recommend staying in Thonglor or Ekkamai, great restaurants and upscale nightclubs nearby, easy area to walk around since the sidewalks are actually walkable. BUT, I know you are African American and this area is inhabited by hi-so or wannabe hi-so Thais who also happen to be generally racist. If one of my black friends were coming to town, I would still arrange a place in Thonglor because I have a big problem with Thai racist crap and I don't mind calling them out on it. Anywhere along Sukhumvit Rd up to Ekkamai area is quite good. Generally the further up Sukhumvit towards Thonglor and Ekkamai the better it gets; good idea to avoid staying in the Nana area(straight up hookers here). Sukhumvit soi 11 is nearby and actually not a bad place to stay even though the clubs on this street are teeming with semi pros and you will need to pick and choose wisely. Ratchaprasong is also good, but may be pricey. Silom and Sathorn aren't that bad, mainly a business district, but there are some good clubs over there and it's a short cab ride over to the adjacent areas. Another area that is good, and definitely cheaper, is Ratchada with soi 4 having very good nightlife and this street is hardly mentioned on the forum. Last but not least go check out the RCA clubs, when it comes to picking up women solely on exotic appeal, the glory days are gone, but it's still a major party area in Bangkok. If you were staying for a longer period there are other areas that aren't central where few foreigners venture that are very good because we still have exotic appeal there, but you will need to speak basic Thai and know your way around.
(03-29-2015 02:33 PM)DMario Wrote: [ -> ]Alot of info on this thread so sorry if this has been answered. But whats the best area to stay at for someone who's just coming to party for 3 days. Budget is around $30 a night give or take. Also what are the best areas to party (Trashy to upscale, I'm just coming to have fun). And the most important thing, what are the ladyboy areas to evade?

At $30 per night you won't get much. I will reccomend upper Sukhimvit (BTS lines Ekkamai through to On Nut) on AirBNB or cheap hotels (many of whom don't have online presence). Go up to $60 a night and you'll likely get 3-4 star in lower Sukhimvit(party central), that's the difference between 1-2,000THB.
^^ Agreed. Even if you try at $50-$60 there are so many options on AirBNB to choose from. It's unfortunate but $30 doesn't get too much hotel wise anymore IMO compared to my first time there 3-4 years ago.

I stayed at the 'Nantra Sukhumvit 39 hotel a few years back and if you get the upgraded room (not the shithole with no window), then it is decent value. I think at the time it was about $35-40 a night. Hopefully it has not gone to shit.
It's 45 seconds from Phrong Phong BTS and also 2 huge malls which is perfect for meeting up. One half of the soi does have pro places but its all for the Japanese guys and very discrete. I just had an excuse to girls that I was waiting for my apartment to be ready in the Phrom Phong area in a few weeks so I chose this hotel for location.
There are places on AirBnb near Thonglor/Ekkamai with rooftop pools for $40 a night.

That location was great for me with dates and clubs when I was in BKK earlier this year. It seemed like a step up from On Nut, which still seemed OK.

No good girl will come near you if you are staying at Nana.
Its worth staying in Thong Lo just for the easy access to the night market for dinner on Soi 38. You're only a few stops by train to lower Sumk if that's where you want to go, and also to the MTR station at Asok (no more than five minutes on the BTS). If you're going to do AirBnB, I'd say Thong Lo is optimal for all the above stated reasons and these.
(03-30-2015 03:00 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote: [ -> ]No good girl will come near you if you are staying at Nana.

Just as a side note, I always used to have a chuckle at the revolving freak show at Nana BTS.

Honourable mention goes to sexpats over 60 who you know are on their last legs. They combed the last three strands of hair left on their head, put on their 'nice shirt', khakis (or cargo shorts) and loafers or sandals.

In part it's sad because these are broken ass men. It canna' be the sex as the girls they pay for company are generally fat slobby cunts. I think the $100+ a night that they are blowing is for the validation and attention they get. These are the first generation of the divorcee era.
(03-29-2015 10:48 PM)CodyB Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-29-2015 02:33 PM)DMario Wrote: [ -> ]Alot of info on this thread so sorry if this has been answered. But whats the best area to stay at for someone who's just coming to party for 3 days. Budget is around $30 a night give or take. Also what are the best areas to party (Trashy to upscale, I'm just coming to have fun). And the most important thing, what are the ladyboy areas to evade?

At $30 per night you won't get much. I will reccomend upper Sukhimvit (BTS lines Ekkamai through to On Nut) on AirBNB or cheap hotels (many of whom don't have online presence). Go up to $60 a night and you'll likely get 3-4 star in lower Sukhimvit(party central), that's the difference between 1-2,000THB.

I have just done some research and found some cheap options for less than 30$:

http://www.agoda.com/krongthong-mansion-...ok-th.html
http://www.agoda.com/waterford-resort-at...ok-th.html
http://www.agoda.com/the-mix-bangkok-bou...ok-th.html

Especially the first one doesn't look bad if you are on a budget.
I'm staying at a great hotel in Bangkok for around $22/night + tax. Small pool, sauna and gym included.

But I'm not revealing it on here as that might give me away to someone. PM me if you need some info.
The Tune Hotel at Asoke can usually be had for $30/night. Clean, modern rooms, walking distance to Terminal 21 and BTS. Great value.

Also, S33 Compact Hotel is around $30. Walking distance to Siam Paragon and BTS. Breakfast included (eggs, bacon, fruit) .
First post. (I have read through the forums a bit, but I don't come on here much.)

As for the topic at hand: There is a passable little hotel on the corner of Soi 38 and Sukhumvit, about 10 steps from the Thonglor BTS entrance. It's currently going by the name of "Padi Madi" or some such. Recent Agoda reviews say it's going downhill, but it was a decent enough $35ish pad a couple years ago. While it may not be the best hotel, I think it's the closest cheap property to that BTS stop, if that helps anyone.

My experience in Manila taught me to 1) stay in an upper-class part of town and 2) as close to a nice mall as humanly possible. Extra points if there is some sort of easy walkway from mall to hotel room. Of course the idea is to meet the girl at the mall and take her right to the room.

I gather that BKK is not a pussy paradise on the level of Manila (does anywhere come close?) but I wonder if the same logistical scheme applies. I will have a short business trip to BKK this fall and will have ˜$100/night to spend on a room. Should I focus on finding a place right near the major mall district of Siam Paragon, etc.; stay out in the tony part of town (Thonglor/Ekkamai) where there are no huge malls; just make sure I'm on the BTS to avoid traffic hell; or maybe it doesn't matter so much?

My time will be short so I will be pipelining some Thaifriendly girls, even though I gather the quality is can be low. I'll be at work meetings during the day, so no daygame, and I may have to get up early in the mornings, so I'd rather not go out every night. If I'm restricted to online, is there anywhere else I should look besides Thaifriendly? Hopefully a site with a more educated/middle-class clientele? Would OKC or Tinder do the trick?
If you only have a few days then Thai Friendly would seem the safe best. Tinder is okay but it takes too much effort to pipeline if you don't have much time.

As for where to stay, what do you enjoy more malls and touristy places or the expat area? If the former then Siam is your choice if the latter Thong Lo ekkami. Since no day gaming the later is prob you best bet imo. Head to Seancespace or Bottoms Up in TL for a more 'middle-class' clientele.

PS: You always want to be near a BTS.
As Afarang said, stay near the BTS. I prefer to stay between Asoke and OnNut. I never take dates to the mall. I don't see it being so easy to bounce a girl right from the mall to your hotel unless she's lower class and probably not so great looking. The higher quality girls will want to be winded and dined a bit more, in general. I'd stay at Nantra hotel in Thonglor if you want a decent place, but small, for a good price. Then your logistics are good to take her anywhere in Thonglor or Ekkamai.

Or, stay closer to Siam like you said, and take her to Coco Walk right next to Ratchathewi BTS. When I lived around there that was my standard. Go to Chill House at the end of Coco Walk and then bounce her in a taxi back to my place 5 minutes away.
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^^ Agreed. Even if you try at $50-$60 there are so many options on AirBNB to choose from. It's unfortunate but $30 doesn't get too much hotel wise anymore IMO compared to my first time there 3-4 years ago.

I stayed at the 'Nantra Sukhumvit 39 hotel a few years back and if you get the upgraded room (not the shithole with no window), then it is decent value. I think at the time it was about $35-40 a night. Hopefully it has not gone to shit.
It's 45 seconds from Phrong Phong BTS and also 2 huge malls which is perfect for meeting up. One half of the soi does have pro places but its all for the Japanese guys and very discrete. I just had an excuse to girls that I was waiting for my apartment to be ready in the Phrom Phong area in a few weeks so I chose this hotel for location.
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Unfortunately it has 'gone to shit'. I am a go to guy in my organization for hotel and restaurant advice (previous career), so I am always reviewing places to keep current. I decided to visit Nantra 39, among others, last week. I had them show me a few rooms and was not impressed. The bed sheets and towels were stained, there was hair in the shower and wash area and mold in the sink area as well as the shower area. Even more alarming was the sight of toe nail clippings and ants in one of the rooms- I always carry a small flashlight during my reviews. I don't think my assessment was a deviation either because I took a look around the lobby and noticed the equipment they use to launder the towels and bed sheets was substandard and filthy.
(03-30-2015 01:08 PM)Kdog Wrote: [ -> ]^^ Agreed. Even if you try at $50-$60 there are so many options on AirBNB to choose from. It's unfortunate but $30 doesn't get too much hotel wise anymore IMO compared to my first time there 3-4 years ago.

I stayed at the 'Nantra Sukhumvit 39 hotel a few years back and if you get the upgraded room (not the shithole with no window), then it is decent value. I think at the time it was about $35-40 a night. Hopefully it has not gone to shit.
It's 45 seconds from Phrong Phong BTS and also 2 huge malls which is perfect for meeting up. One half of the soi does have pro places but its all for the Japanese guys and very discrete. I just had an excuse to girls that I was waiting for my apartment to be ready in the Phrom Phong area in a few weeks so I chose this hotel for location.

Unfortunately it has 'gone to shit'. I am a go to guy in my organization for hotel and restaurant advice (previous career), so I am always reviewing places to keep current. I decided to visit Nantra 39, among others, last week. I had them show me a few rooms and was not impressed. The bed sheets and towels were stained, there was hair in the shower and wash area and mold in the sink area as well as the shower area. Even more alarming was the sight of toe nail clippings and ants in one of the rooms- I always carry a small flashlight during my reviews. I don't think my assessment was a deviation either because I took a look around the lobby and noticed the equipment they use to launder the towels and bed sheets was substandard and filthy.
That's too bad. I stayed there 2-3 years ago and the rooms were small, but decent. They were really clean too. I think I paid less than $30 a night
(03-30-2015 01:08 PM)Kdog Wrote: [ -> ]^^ Agreed. Even if you try at $50-$60 there are so many options on AirBNB to choose from. It's unfortunate but $30 doesn't get too much hotel wise anymore IMO compared to my first time there 3-4 years ago.

I stayed at the 'Nantra Sukhumvit 39 hotel a few years back and if you get the upgraded room (not the shithole with no window), then it is decent value. I think at the time it was about $35-40 a night. Hopefully it has not gone to shit.
It's 45 seconds from Phrong Phong BTS and also 2 huge malls which is perfect for meeting up. One half of the soi does have pro places but its all for the Japanese guys and very discrete. I just had an excuse to girls that I was waiting for my apartment to be ready in the Phrom Phong area in a few weeks so I chose this hotel for location.

Unfortunately it has 'gone to shit'. I am a go to guy in my organization for hotel and restaurant advice (previous career), so I am always reviewing places to keep current. I decided to visit Nantra 39, among others, last week. I had them show me a few rooms and was not impressed. The bed sheets and towels were stained and there was hair in the shower and wash area in all the rooms I viewed. Mold was growing on the faucet in one of the rooms and the shower area in all of the rooms. Even more alarming was the sight of toe nail clippings and ants in one of the rooms- I always carry a small flashlight during my reviews. I don't think my assessment was an aberration either because I took a look around the lobby and noticed the equipment they use to launder the towels and bed sheets was substandard and filthy and further discussion with the staff revealed a lack of motivation and pride in their workplace.
I apologize for the multiple posts. I didn't think my comment posted so I just rewrote it, three times. Hopefully a moderator will erase the other two.
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