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(09-29-2015 12:35 AM)Robert Plant Wrote: [ -> ]I think the problem is that you made this girl loose face.

I don't know, but it wouldn't directly matter to me as long as I don't burn the group.


(10-02-2015 04:39 PM)Going strong Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd say their perception of you has changed in a positive way. You have demonstrated that you are not sexually-despaired, that you won't pursue a HB5, and that you only target better-looking, HB7+ women : it is a good thing in any quality girl's eyes.

Only thing is, they probably won't kiss you (or follow you to your place) in front of their friend (the one that you didn't like), so as not to openly hurt her feelings or defy her. Be discreet then, but rest assured that you have demonstrated your coolness and high-value, by rejecting a not-beautiful girl.

Edit: things are more complicated, as I read in your following post that you actually went to your room with the ugly girl, and then changed your mind...Confused
Thus, your behavior will probably look a bit confused, to these other women's eyes. Hard to say how they will read it. Maybe (worst case scenario), that you are sexually insecure? Anyway, well, if they still invite you to their social circle, you still have all your options open. My advice: Forget about this whole "ugly-girl" incident! Never mention it, and game the hot ones.

Yea they're still fine with hanging out. The rejected girl now wants to talk to me again and texts me stuff, duh, but I stopped replying after some texts because she was just asking stupid questions to grab my attention. I have to watch out for her not cockblocking me regarding the other girls, but I guess and hope it's not a very Thai thing to do to cockblock your female friends.
As you said, I should just take this incident as if it never happened and keep distance to the rejected girl, making it clear that nothing will happen inbetween me and her.
And of course, being discreet, but that isn't a big problem as I wouldn't kiss any of them in front of the group anyway but rather only when being just with one of them alone.
No, your perception did not change in a positive way. You both lost face in the group.

You lost face by targeting the ugly girl in the group and then taking her home to fuck her. It doesn't matter that you didn't, that was the intention and everyone saw it. She lost face because you took her home and didn't fuck her.

Thai girls are gossip queens so no doubt all of her friends are laughing about this.

You definitely hurt your chances with the other girls because 1. they won't want to upset their friend, but mainly 2. no one wants to be the girl in the group to fuck the dude who tried to fuck their ugly friend and they've all been laughing about it. Then they'd lose face.

It doesn't mean you can't fuck any of the girls, but it will be harder. Your best bet is to get one of them on Line and try to meet her discretely.

But why would you take the girl home and then shut her down anyways? That's something a female would pull.

Anyways, that's the blunt truth of the matter. Luckily for you BKK is crawling with women so just forget these chicks and go find some new ones.
(10-04-2015 10:59 AM)Branimir Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-29-2015 12:35 AM)Robert Plant Wrote: [ -> ]I think the problem is that you made this girl loose face.

I don't know, but it wouldn't directly matter to me as long as I don't burn the group.


(10-02-2015 04:39 PM)Going strong Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd say their perception of you has changed in a positive way. You have demonstrated that you are not sexually-despaired, that you won't pursue a HB5, and that you only target better-looking, HB7+ women : it is a good thing in any quality girl's eyes.

Only thing is, they probably won't kiss you (or follow you to your place) in front of their friend (the one that you didn't like), so as not to openly hurt her feelings or defy her. Be discreet then, but rest assured that you have demonstrated your coolness and high-value, by rejecting a not-beautiful girl.

Edit: things are more complicated, as I read in your following post that you actually went to your room with the ugly girl, and then changed your mind...Confused
Thus, your behavior will probably look a bit confused, to these other women's eyes. Hard to say how they will read it. Maybe (worst case scenario), that you are sexually insecure? Anyway, well, if they still invite you to their social circle, you still have all your options open. My advice: Forget about this whole "ugly-girl" incident! Never mention it, and game the hot ones.

Yea they're still fine with hanging out. The rejected girl now wants to talk to me again and texts me stuff, duh, but I stopped replying after some texts because she was just asking stupid questions to grab my attention. I have to watch out for her not cockblocking me regarding the other girls, but I guess and hope it's not a very Thai thing to do to cockblock your female friends.
As you said, I should just take this incident as if it never happened and keep distance to the rejected girl, making it clear that nothing will happen inbetween me and her.
And of course, being discreet, but that isn't a big problem as I wouldn't kiss any of them in front of the group anyway but rather only when being just with one of them alone.


It sounds like you've invested a lot of time in this group and don't want to wipe them without getting a bang or 2 but as Rio says you need to move on and start fresh with a new group or you could end up wasting even more time and getting nowhere. I'd push for some 1-1 dates and quick escalation or move on.
Are there any good muay thai gyms near ahsok? I might stay in bangkok for 2 months next year.
Anyone familiar with the area around the Phra Khanong BTS station? Safe and decent area? Okay shopping and sight seeing so I'm not necessarily forced to jump on the BTS first thing every morning and flee downtown?

I found a cheap but seemingly very modern little hotel with good ratings on Booking.com, and made a reservation there (free cancellation and no pre-payment) for the back three weeks of my upcoming six weeks Thailand trip.
Going to stay the first week in a very unremarkable little hotel on Asoke - stayed there for two weeks my last trip as well. I like being right in the center but had to split up my Bangkok stay anyway as I will spend some time in Chiang Mai in the middle of the trip.

I imagine I might have a few additional nights outside Bangkok, but I'm guessing that hotel prices are going to skyrocket and room availability drop if I was hoping to do on-the-spot reservations in December and January?
Changed it to a slightly more expensive Soi 8 hotel instead. Don't really feel like being forced into a couple of mandatory back and forth BTS rides relatively far out every day for over three weeks.
Everywhere in Bangkok is safe.

Soi 8 is a nice soi in the middle of the shittiest part of Bangkok.

Phra Khanong is an up and coming area and a good spot to stay. It isn't far out at all, it's about right where you want to be.

Where is it far out from that you will be going every day?
(10-06-2015 08:37 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]Everywhere in Bangkok is safe.

Soi 8 is a nice soi in the middle of the shittiest part of Bangkok.

Phra Khanong is an up and coming area and a good spot to stay. It isn't far out at all, it's about right where you want to be.

Where is it far out from that you will be going every day?

Last time I stayed in Bangkok (1+2 weeks) I lived and spent a good chunk of my time in the stretch from Asoke to Siam. Usually breakfast in the food court in Terminal 21 (loved that food court), sightseeing during the day (furthest out in the east direction was On Nut, otherwise river ferries - liked those a lot to cool off a bit, China Town, canal boats etc. China Town, Khao San Road etc. all felt like a fairly major journey from the central Sukhumvit area).

I often just went for a walk at night absorbing the crazy Sukhumvit life, sometimes stopping for a beer or two - and then picking up the girl from work (worked in Terminal 21) I spent the last two weeks with to take her back to my hotel.

Clubbing I just don't care for at all anymore - bars are okay, but not really where I want to spend every evening even on a vacation. For me it's usually more enjoyable to take a girl out for dinner or a little walk and then back to the hotel to bang.
Soi 8 should be good then. It's a really nice soi, just stuck near shitty ones. But down soi 8 I really like.

Phra Khanong is decent now as well. W District is a new, nice version of the OnNut Market. You could take dates there easily, even rich, prissy ones.
(09-28-2015 09:35 PM)192 Wrote: [ -> ]I also have a non immigrant b visa. I did nothing except pay an immigration company about $500. They set up the paper work with a dodgy shell company in Thailand and you mail it in with your passport to whichever local embassy they advise.

Mine almost got refused and I had to do a short phone interview with the consulate head as the company in question is well on their radar for pumping through non immigrant visas using this dodgy set up.

Hmm that's interesting, I will try that the next time I go back home instead of getting a triple-entry. Nice to see you again randomly in route 66 as I was off my head lol. Apologies again for being obnoxious and talking overly loud when speaking as I tend to get when drunk.

(10-02-2015 10:52 AM)Tyler Belfort Wrote: [ -> ]Ticket booked! I'll be in Bangkok indefinitely from the 14th.

Are there any downsides to signing a 1 year lease and then breaking it if need be? Is a Thai bank account or visa needed? Losing a couple months deposit seems a better option than going for a monthly rental.

No downsides. If you want to rent out your place when you leave, ask the owner if it's okay if you sub-lease or use Airbnb when you're away. Some will not allow you to do it.

(10-06-2015 03:53 AM)KC4 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there any good muay thai gyms near ahsok? I might stay in bangkok for 2 months next year.
There are several gyms along Sukhumvit, RSM is near Asoke although that looks more for show and to take selfies than train.

I find most MT gyms way overpriced in terms of what you get. Most hold the pads for 20 mins and the rest of the lesson is you doing your own stuff.

But use this to find ones local to Sukhumvit: http://muaythaicampsthailand.com/category/bangkok/

Also, there's a newly opened gym on Sukhumvit 61 run by Thai and western owner, you may need to Google it to get more info though, don't think it's that great though.

(10-06-2015 09:37 PM)MikeS Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-06-2015 08:37 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]Everywhere in Bangkok is safe.

Soi 8 is a nice soi in the middle of the shittiest part of Bangkok.

Phra Khanong is an up and coming area and a good spot to stay. It isn't far out at all, it's about right where you want to be.

Where is it far out from that you will be going every day?

Last time I stayed in Bangkok (1+2 weeks) I lived and spent a good chunk of my time in the stretch from Asoke to Siam. Usually breakfast in the food court in Terminal 21 (loved that food court), sightseeing during the day (furthest out in the east direction was On Nut, otherwise river ferries - liked those a lot to cool off a bit, China Town, canal boats etc. China Town, Khao San Road etc. all felt like a fairly major journey from the central Sukhumvit area).

I often just went for a walk at night absorbing the crazy Sukhumvit life, sometimes stopping for a beer or two - and then picking up the girl from work (worked in Terminal 21) I spent the last two weeks with to take her back to my hotel.

Clubbing I just don't care for at all anymore - bars are okay, but not really where I want to spend every evening even on a vacation. For me it's usually more enjoyable to take a girl out for dinner or a little walk and then back to the hotel to bang.

If you prefer the convenience and don't mind paying more, Asoke will be a much better location. PK is getting a little nicer with the W market, but still has a long way to go. PK is best suited for people on a budget who plan to stay semi-long term, because that area is so cheap in terms of condos and food to other areas.

Also the BTS is really busy now, after extending it everyone and their dog is using it now. I hate getting on it during rush hour.
This has probably been asked before, but here we go - any cheap gyms (weights) in the downtown area? Since I'll be gone six weeks I want to get a proper workout at least a few times during that time. Last time in Bangkok I ended up paying somewhere between 600 and 800 baht for a single training session (and most of the gyms around Asoke quoted 1000+ baht). Not that it's a budget breaker, but it's still a stupidly high price to pay just to work out for an hour or two as far as I'm concerned.
(10-06-2015 03:53 AM)KC4 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there any good muay thai gyms near ahsok? I might stay in bangkok for 2 months next year.

(10-07-2015 05:56 AM)MikeS Wrote: [ -> ]This has probably been asked before, but here we go - any cheap gyms (weights) in the downtown area? Since I'll be gone six weeks I want to get a proper workout at least a few times during that time. Last time in Bangkok I ended up paying somewhere between 600 and 800 baht for a single training session (and most of the gyms around Asoke quoted 1000+ baht). Not that it's a budget breaker, but it's still a stupidly high price to pay just to work out for an hour or two as far as I'm concerned.

Google "Tony's Fitness gym". It's like 90b a session, open 24/7 but has no aircon and located near Asoke.
(10-07-2015 07:15 AM)Afarang Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-06-2015 03:53 AM)KC4 Wrote: [ -> ]Are there any good muay thai gyms near ahsok? I might stay in bangkok for 2 months next year.

(10-07-2015 05:56 AM)MikeS Wrote: [ -> ]This has probably been asked before, but here we go - any cheap gyms (weights) in the downtown area? Since I'll be gone six weeks I want to get a proper workout at least a few times during that time. Last time in Bangkok I ended up paying somewhere between 600 and 800 baht for a single training session (and most of the gyms around Asoke quoted 1000+ baht). Not that it's a budget breaker, but it's still a stupidly high price to pay just to work out for an hour or two as far as I'm concerned.

Google "Tony's Fitness gym". It's like 90b a session, open 24/7 but has no aircon and located near Asoke.

They stopped allowing single sessions. I went there yesterday and both guys at the desk said they only do monthly memberships minimum now (900thb). They removed most of the advertisements for single passes too.

I just walked upstairs and worked out anyway. Should have taken my money lols.
A 900 thb membership is probably worth it for the last three weeks I'm there.
I'm in Khon Kaen right now.

On the whole, I would not recommend this area for the average reader of this forum, unless you like "Thailand for Thailand's sake." There's a large university here in the city which I'm sure is populated with some stunners, but, over here in the city center, I've seen like 3 cute girls in my 5 days here. Previous trips up here have yielded similar results.

(03-27-2015 02:08 AM)RichieP Wrote: [ -> ]Interestingly I also found there to be a real lack of books that provide genuine insight into Thai culture and what makes Thais tick. For almost every other economically significant asian country there are some great books that can get you under the skin of the place... most of the books on "Thai culture" seem to be about the seedy bar scene, lol.

There are plenty of books that delve into what makes "Thais tick," as well as describe Thai culture in almost irritatingly obsessive detail. They are all ethnographic books, though, written by specialists and for specialists. For the most part, these books are published by university presses in the UK and America, are not marketed, and will be unavailable (and, frankly, largely uninteresting to the regular guy) in the farang-oriented book stores in Bangkok's shopping malls. Actually, Asia Books might have some of these books in stock.

Random notes:

-If you're having computer issues while you're in Bangkok, I highly suggest you take your busted up laptop to this shop called IT Unlimit. It's on the 2nd or 3 floor of the Fortune Town Mall, along the back wall of the mall between the Banana IT and Jet Computer shops. You'll see it right as you step off the escalator. Fortune Town is located at the Phra Ram 9 MRT stop.

The proprietor of this shop (I think his nickname is Nick) speaks excellent English and has charged me only 500 baht both times I've brought my laptop to him. There's another shop right down from his, with "Memory" in the name, that upgraded my laptop's RAM for like 1,500 baht as well. Quick service, but not much English spoken in that shop.

-Speaking of the MRT, I have read through the last 10-15 pages of this thread and I think you guys are vastly underrating it as a way to find housing and accommodation in BKK. For example, I know of a Danish guy who was paying 10,000 baht a month to rent an apartment (with a pool) that was a 5 minute walk from the MRT. He was a retired guy renting on a month-to-month basis.

I know there's a "Thai" apartment building that rents for 5,000 a month right over by Fortune Town. And, for those who are unfamiliar with Bangkok, the MRT has stops at many of the same hot spots as the BTS does. Silom, Asok, JJ's Market are all covered on both lines.

-If you need medication, see if they've got it at Southeast Pharmacy on Sukhumvit. The guy who runs it must have some Chinese connection or agreement w/ import & export (or the government) because he sells a lot of his medication at the same price as the government hospitals do. In fact, the last time I was in there, he told me he could get one of my medications at a cheaper price than the gov't hospitals could. (I didn't verify this, so the jury's out on the claim.)

Best of all, though, is that SE carries many drugs that are considered "hospital-only" drugs (I forget the class name, but I think it's Class-S). Instead of having to wait 6 hours to be seen to get my drugs at Chula or something, I just take the skytrain to Asok, stay on the bridge until I get to Robinson's department store, get off, and walk a block or two past that giant luxury hotel. I'm in-and-out of Southeast within 5 minutes.

-I have never seen this dish available in Bangkok, but have any of you guys tried nam koo? I have discovered it up here in Khon Kaen. Shit's tasty.
^ I've sourced some crazy shit for friends abroad from Thai pharmacies. The best I know of is opposite Chula Hospital maybe 50 meters down round the corner from Silom Road. They literally have everything, I've gotten anti-parasite medicine and got some anti-breast cancer drug for someone who had gyno, stuff you couldn't find anywhere else and likely would never get a script for. You really can get everything, except opiates and such, but I am not a 'druggie' anyway. I love the way everything appears in Bangkok with some hustle and a bit of money, nowhere in the world compares.
(10-07-2015 05:56 AM)MikeS Wrote: [ -> ]This has probably been asked before, but here we go - any cheap gyms (weights) in the downtown area? Since I'll be gone six weeks I want to get a proper workout at least a few times during that time. Last time in Bangkok I ended up paying somewhere between 600 and 800 baht for a single training session (and most of the gyms around Asoke quoted 1000+ baht). Not that it's a budget breaker, but it's still a stupidly high price to pay just to work out for an hour or two as far as I'm concerned.

Go run in Benjasiri Park, run one lap, walk one but do dips and raises at the work stations. In addition, lots of jiggily ass to pace yourself afterBanana
Lumpini has a good jogging scene after the sun goes down as well.

And a shoutout to the MRT, it gets no love because there isn't a rabbit pass and isn't along Suk but there is very good value along it for apartments. Depending where you are along the MRT to Hwai Kwang you won't be hard up for food at 3am either.
I'm heading to Bangkok in a couple of weeks. I'm a phuket veteran but have spent only a week or so in Bangkok before. If anyone can answer these questions, I'd be grateful:

1) I intend to stay near BTSPrompong. The reason being that I plan on training at the MT gym at the Diamond Waterfront tower and want to be close. Is this a good move? Is it feasible to stay here and still get out at night and get back after the BTS closes?

2) What the fuck should I wear in Bangkok when not training? In Phuket I don't think I have ever worn anything but shorts, t shirt and flip flops in the months and months I've been there.

Cheers fellas.
(10-13-2015 06:13 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote: [ -> ]I'm heading to Bangkok in a couple of weeks. I'm a phuket veteran but have spent only a week or so in Bangkok before. If anyone can answer these questions, I'd be grateful:

1) I intend to stay near BTSPrompong. The reason being that I plan on training at the MT gym at the Diamond Waterfront tower and want to be close. Is this a good move? Is it feasible to stay here and still get out at night and get back after the BTS closes?

2) What the fuck should I wear in Bangkok when not training? In Phuket I don't think I have ever worn anything but shorts, t shirt and flip flops in the months and months I've been there.

Cheers fellas.


In response to 2) many will tell you to dress up in pants or chinos, dress shoes and a long sleeve button up with or/without a jacket to separate yourself from the backpackers and appeal to the more quality girls. This sounds all well and good in theory but in reality, Bangkok is fucking hot all year around. It's not just the 30+ degree heat but the piercing humidity that really gets to you. These conditions make dressing up uncomfortable at night, none the less during the day time so you're going to struggle with fashion. I actually tried to pull off business casual one afternoon to go to a mall, walked outside and within 30 seconds of walking to the BTS I was sweating bullets. Ended up saying fuck it, walked back inside my hotel and put shorts, t-shirt and flip flops on. Sure, I may not have looked like a big shot but I was comfortable and not covered in sweat marks which was good enough for me. If you're a good looking white guy, you'll be able to pick up regardless as long as you're wearing FITTED shorts (chino shorts are sufficient), some nice casual shoes, and a nice muscle shirt or t-shirt. Do NOT wear a Chang singlet with those loose cargo shorts that come down to your calves that I saw a lot of expats and locals wearing. That's where you will run into problems. At night, you may be able to survive dressing up in chinos, a button down and some nice dressy shoes (which will out-dress 99% of the population) but forget about jackets, blazers etc and make sure you avoid walking distances.
You can wear anything really, but if you plan on talking to girls on the fly or want to 'fit in'. I would avoid any type of shorts, vests or singlets. Flip flops are fine if you're wearing pants.

It really depends on your tolerance to the heat too. At night if you to go to clubs, some will not allow you entry if you are wearing shorts/flip-flops. Any kind of t-shirt + pant combo is fine.


BTS Prom Pong is a great area, it's rather busy but an ideal location to get to all the main parts of town.
I was there for 10 days this summer. I wore fitted shorts and casual yet stylish shirts during the day. I got plenty of attention with this. At night, I wore fitted trousers and various stylish short sleeve shirts. Just like anywhere else, if you dress well, you will increase your odds.

The great thing about Bangkok is that if your game/ looks are solid and you don't give up after a few rejections, you should be able to pull most nights. This contrasts to most other places where pulling from night game is the exception not the rule.
I never wear shorts except maybe if I'm going to 7/11. I don't find man legs very attractive. I wear jeans or khakis with shoes and socks. I'm not walking much in the sun anyway. Absolutely no flip-flops, the streets are dirty, especially after it's been raining.

Some of the sois around Prom Phong are quite sleazy. Naughty massages and maybe even some go-go. That's mostly the sois around the BTS station though, especially on the odd numbered side direction towards Asoke. Not around the soi where your gym is. Traffic in the nighttime won't be a problem.
If you're wearing flip flops to a club in BK, they shouldn't allow your 'sorry ass' in.
(10-13-2015 06:13 PM)CrashBangWallop Wrote: [ -> ]I'm heading to Bangkok in a couple of weeks. I'm a phuket veteran but have spent only a week or so in Bangkok before. If anyone can answer these questions, I'd be grateful:

1) I intend to stay near BTSPrompong. The reason being that I plan on training at the MT gym at the Diamond Waterfront tower and want to be close. Is this a good move? Is it feasible to stay here and still get out at night and get back after the BTS closes?

2) What the fuck should I wear in Bangkok when not training? In Phuket I don't think I have ever worn anything but shorts, t shirt and flip flops in the months and months I've been there.

Cheers fellas.

1) Regarding hotel choices near the Phrom Phong BTS, Soi 26, 28 and possibly 24 had a crap load of dirty massages when I was there last winter, so might not be best sois for hotel choices, unless you enjoy the sleazy atmosphere (I lived 500 meters from Nana Plaza my first few days in Bangkok last time - the sleaze was an interesting novelty, but I certainly don't regret moving to a hotel a little further down by Asoke instead. Which probably also helped a little with repeat visitors among the normal girls).

2) If you have the same (lack of) heat tolerance as me, there's no way in hell you can wear long pants of any kind during the day.

I'm bringing some slightly nicer looking shorts for my upcoming trip than last time (not that shorts are ever going to look anything but very casual, but there are degrees). Going to be buying shirts when I get there since I'm starting to run a little short on them at the moment - I'm usually a v-neck t-shirt kind of guy, but I'll look into the options (regardless of the type of t-shirt I'm going to need three or four per day, mostly white but some black for evenings, and they'll all have sweat stains at most 15 minutes after changing unless I'm inside in air condition).
I'll probably buy some decent looking sandals this time, instead of again walking around barefoot in light sneakers that will look five years old after five weeks of use.
Also I actually like walking when I'm on vacation, even in hot and humid temperatures. So that makes light clothes during the day time even more necessary. If I was mostly sitting on my ass in a breezy bar or walking around in air conditioned malls I might do okay in long pants. Well, except for the heat strokes I'd get and the rivers I'd sweat walking the few hundred meters to and from BTS stations.

Last trip I wore light linen pants and v-neck t-shirts at night. Still sweaty but within tolerable limits.
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