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(04-05-2016 02:48 PM)RioNomad Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]I dont mean to burst the bubble of this thread, but I really would like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about when it comes to Bangkok. I feel there are things that have to be said here, because people considering travelling there might get the wrong idea.

So lets see a data sheet of the places you are banging these 8's and 9's at.

I will say there is a lot of truth to what you say, but a lot of sour grapes also.

Hi mate

Appreciate you reading my post. I now see it was a tad too long.

Sour grapes refers to putting something down because you cant have it. With that strict definition or meaning, the sour grape factor I feel with Bangkok women is 0%. If I've ever had the potential for sour grapes, it was when I spent 6 nights in Moscow and saw magnificently looking women but ended up with one single high 6. Don't know what happened there. Having said that, I wouldn't even concede that I have sour grapes from my Moscow experience.

On the point of 8s and 9s, you may have misinterpreted my post. I never said I was a banger of 8s and 9s in that post, nor alluded to it. It's other posters talking about their 8s and 9s bangs in Bangkok who I call out as liars.

Having spent time in Asia but more in Europe and the USA, I definitely know what an 8 looks like and I do know what a 9 looks like. My ranking scale comes from hundreds of days of collective travelling around the world.

I have banged a very small number of true 8s. And I do mean true 8s. Im early 30s. Ive been trying to score since I was 16. Anyone putting in any effort to their appearance and approaching will have landed an odd 8 by the time they hit 30. Without attempting to sound purposefully self effacing however, I probably should have had a few more, but I now know my game was average for many years. I wouldn't ever say I've banged a true 9.

As a point of reference, because it was missing in my original post, Urassaya Sperbund is not a 9. De-photoshop her and think about what you're really getting, then compare her face and body to true 9s - some of the best looking girls the world has to offer.
(04-05-2016 05:31 PM)Armogan Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-26-2016 10:16 PM)CleanSlate Wrote: [ -> ]I also got SIFed three times in a row in Indonesia. One of them was huge. I mean, she was a WHALE. I’m fully convinced that, not only she used downward angles, but also changed the aspect ratios of her photos by actually compressing them horizontally to make herself look thinner. Devising an escape plan on the fly, I set an alarm on my phone to go off in two minutes. When it went off, I pretended to look perplexed at my phone, did a minute of (fake) frantic texting, and then excused myself for an “emergency meeting with a client” and ran off.

Smooth, very smooth. This gave me a good laugh.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]They call Thailand the Land of Smiles but I didn't see a general level of happiness and smiling in Thailand over and above all of the other third world countries Ive visited.

It's called the Land of Smiles because you can get a blowjob for $20 during your lunch break. Obviously, not for everyone, but just thinking of this makes me laugh and smile.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]When I first went to Bangkok and saw one of their soap-operas on TV, all I saw were women desperate not to look Asian at all. In fact, a lot of them looked about 75% Caucasian and 25% Oriental. That got me thinking - if youre going to Bangkok for the women, its a behavioural non-sequitur. Why go all the way there to chase Asians if the ones you really like are doing whatever they can to look otherwise?

Because their self-esteem/heritage issues makes it much easier to fuck them in the ass within half an hour. DUH.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]On the odd occasion I did bang a Thai because she had a tight, size 8 (Aus) bod, was over 5'7" and I felt like hate - fucking, I woke up in the morning and disliked what I saw once the eye contacts, lashes and make up had been removed.

I'm glad you finally were able to loosen up and have fun. Nice.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]You guys coming on to this thread talking about 8s and 9s etc have a twisted view of how to rank a woman. I never once - not once - saw a white man game or leave with a Thai woman so hot that she was worth raving about. Not a single 8. The quality of women just isn't there. Some of the bodies on these women are hot, I'll concede that point, but the faces let them down. You telling me you liked what you saw in the morning?

Come on this is Thailand 101. You kick them out the same night. What were you thinking? No wonder you had a terrible time, you didn't use the right playbook.

(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]My mate came in for 8 nights once and he approached what he thought were the best looking unattached chicks on the strip. Couldn't bang one, and hes half Asian himself, 5'11 and has put away 100+ Asians because he loves them. To this day he says the Thai best lookers were nothing more than 7s. The next Thai tier down, where I had the odd lay, wasn't even as good as any standard Asian of Chinese, Korean or Japanese ethnicity I could pick up in any Western City. On a few occasions, the best looking woman on RCA was probably a Korean tourist from what I could tell.

I suspect that if you lined up a bunch of asian women from RCA, isolated them from their groups, you would not be able to accurately identify their ethnicity. Maybe I'm too white, but I they're all asian to me. I've asked the same question to Korean, Japanese, Chinese, etc. guys and girls, and none can accurately identify random asians' ethnicities on a consistent basis.

I'm glad you had such a good time. So Thailand is not for you, I get it. But damn you sound so bitter.

Yeah, I do sound bitter. Twas a bittering experience. I don't sugar coat and I call things as I see them.

When I wrote "The next Thai tier down, where I had the odd lay, wasn't even as good as any standard Asian of Chinese, Korean or Japanese ethnicity I could pick up in any Western City" I did so because I know it to be true. It's true because I asked the ethnicity of every single Asian I have ever banged. There haven't been a great amount, but when it happened I always asked. How else do you collect flags? The women of Chinese, Korean and Jap ethnicity I have banged were all better looking than the Thai birds I banged in Bangkok. FACT.

On the point of isolating Asians and guessing their ethnicity, I'd like my chances of getting a fair few right. However, I tend to agree with you because the Koreans can look Japanese and vice versa and not everyone can tell the difference between a full blood Cambodian and a full blood Viet, e.g. That is the very reason why I used the words "from what I could tell" as a suffix to that particular sentence to make the point that the best looking women on the strip on those particular nights weren't Thai, but were Korean to the best of my visual capabilities in assessing Asian nationalities.
WilberforceEgmont, having spent more than 12 months in Bangkok over the years, I completely disagree with your experiences and while some of your analogies have an element of truth to them, it seems to come from a very negative perspective.
Urassaya Sperbund for reference. If this chick isn't a 9 Dodgy wilber sounds like Thai chicks just don't do it for you. That's fine. Travel elsewhere where you enjoy the women more

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(04-05-2016 11:56 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]I dont mean to burst the bubble of this thread, but I really would like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about when it comes to Bangkok.

On the odd occasion I did bang a Thai because she had a tight, size 8 (Aus) bod, was over 5'7" and I felt like hate - fucking, My mate came in for...

CodyB, kudos for flying the Aussie flag so proudly in Thailand. I hope you don't mind if I put this guy, (Marshall Islands?, Australia?) here. https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-51797.html
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Shes a 9 is she?

Why didn't you use these pics?
I'm with Codyb and the others. Sounds like sour grapes and selective bias towards lesser looking chicks in those two pics above.

I don't know who you are calling a liar in this thread, but I did say that I pulled some 7s and a few 8s during my trip... though I never said I was pulling 9s. I won't post pics here, but a few forum members have seen pics of the girls I had been with. They can chime in if they want.

At the end of the day, I was smiling in the land of smiles, and so were many of the forum members I've met in BKK. That's what matters, doesn't it? If you don't like Thailand, thats cool, you can go somewhere else like Korea. Why not go there, instead of coming back to this thread?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has different tastes. You may not like Thai girls and that's fine, I've had friends who came here and thought they were the best girls in the world, while others said they were too slim and slender for their liking and just didn't do it for them.

You didn't like Bangkok and that's okay too, but it's moronic to do what you're doing by finding single pictures of girls and making your statement. Hopefully a mod comes and cleans up the last page or so.
(04-05-2016 11:50 PM)CleanSlate Wrote: [ -> ]I'm with Codyb and the others. Sounds like sour grapes and selective bias towards lesser looking chicks in those two pics above.

I don't know who you are calling a liar in this thread, but I did say that I pulled some 7s and a few 8s during my trip... though I never said I was pulling 9s. I won't post pics here, but a few forum members have seen pics of the girls I had been with. They can chime in if they want.

At the end of the day, I was smiling in the land of smiles, and so were many of the forum members I've met in BKK. That's what matters, doesn't it? If you don't like Thailand, thats cool, you can go somewhere else like Korea. Why not go there, instead of coming back to this thread?

The first pics represent selective bias because theyre magazine quality. Anyone buying that photoshopping should look at the pics I posted. That was the entire point.

If you think you got 8s...good for you. I didn't see them. I know what I saw. In 9 weeks you see a lot of Thai women. If you saw them and got them, I was looking in the wrong places.

My original post was a legitimate attempt to get people to re-think their travel plans because this thread created the very strong impression that you can fly in to Bangkok and slam 7s without trying, 8s with some game and stunning 9s when you hang around for a while and move in certain social circles. Go back and read the posts. Ive read dozens word for word and skimmed many more. It took me three hours. I don't buy what people are selling here and I feel strongly enough about it to have posted what I did.

It's easier writing positive and not negative posts - I get that - and as such expected a lot of backlash from my original post, which I haven't as yet received, thankfully. I appreciate the restraint you and CodyB have shown as opposed to calling me every name under the sun.

The only thing left to say is that if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there. For some reason as I have stated in other threads, the accent goes down a treat.
(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]...this thread created the very strong impression that you can fly in to Bangkok and slam 7s without trying, 8s with some game and stunning 9s when you hang around for a while and move in certain social circles.

Thanks for summarizing, because that is what I, several friends and many forum members have done here.
(04-05-2016 03:05 PM)Travesty Wrote: [ -> ]I was in Bangkok for a week in 2008 pre-game and pre-internet info, and pre-travelling balls.

From my gut though when I hear guys tearing up Bangkok what wilber wrote seems closest to the truth in my gut.

Just go to Google Images type in:

thai girls

Then type in:

vietnamese girls

Maybe it is just bias, I think Viet girls on average have a natural cutesy hotness where the Thai girl seems like they need plastic surgery and lots of extra to compete and often times it still looks a bit off.

I do not agree, after being here in Ho Chi Minh for a week. There is definitely some good looking girls around, but not at all like in Bangkok. I don't really like the Vietnamese look. Others might disagree with me, I've read before that Vietnamese are supposed to look really good or whatever but I'm disappointed.

I think that Thai girls look best in SEA, in my opinion at least. Didn't go to Cambodia and Indonesia yet though.


Oh and I have absolutely no interest in Russian girls. I think we should leave the troll alone.
(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing left to say is that if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there. For some reason as I have stated in other threads, the accent goes down a treat.

I've been to San Francisco many times, and was just there last week in fact. To say that an Australian guy should go to San Francisco over Bangkok, if he is looking solely for women, is just bad advice. The girls in Bangkok are just as attractive and more abundant, than the ones in San Francisco. The difference is that they are way easier, and the city is 100x cheaper. And she probably isn't some weird hipster, vegan chick.

Guys here are just sharing their experiences and appreciation for Bangkok. It's not for everyone. There is no sale.

If you want to party 7 days a week in warm weather with feminine asian women Bangkok is a great place. Are there other places you can do that too? Sure, but it ain't San Francisco.
(04-05-2016 11:42 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]Shes a 9 is she?

Why didn't you use these pics?

Yes, and when she dresses-up she's off the scale.

Your energy would better suited on learning new skills like "saving face".
(04-05-2016 11:42 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]Shes a 9 is she?

Why didn't you use these pics?


I get your point but a demure looking asian girl might have more sex appeal to me than a EE ice queen. I shouldn't have even started this as is she a 9 debates are pointless.

I appreciate you sharing your experience. I've had friends that loved Thailand and friends that hated it. It's sobering to have someone providing a counterview when recently it's been all love. I'd be interested if you have any data sheets to drop on locations you consider better than BKK.
Satoshi, did you go in with high expectations? The first city I visited was Hanoi and I thought the talent was good, better than Saigon I thought, but there are other problems with gaming in Hanoi. Been to Hanoi twice and HCMC twice along with several smaller ciites in the north and south. I like both Thai and Viet girls, actually I like all beautiful and feminine girls irrespective of ethnicity. The one thing I will say about the Vietnamese (women and men) is that they are a little too clever, but overall one of my favourite countries to visit in the region. If you have time, check out as many countries in the region as you can, they are all worthwhile and try to get off the beaten track if you can.
(04-05-2016 10:36 PM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]The women of Chinese, Korean and Jap ethnicity I have banged were all better looking than the Thai birds I banged in Bangkok. FACT.

On the point of isolating Asians and guessing their ethnicity, I'd like my chances of getting a fair few right. However, I tend to agree with you because the Koreans can look Japanese and vice versa and not everyone can tell the difference between a full blood Cambodian and a full blood Viet, e.g. That is the very reason why I used the words "from what I could tell" as a suffix to that particular sentence to make the point that the best looking women on the strip on those particular nights weren't Thai, but were Korean to the best of my visual capabilities in assessing Asian nationalities.

In depends what you want though. If you want prettier faces and body isn't as important, Japan is better. If you want more beautiful bodies and face isn't as important, Thailand is better. Everywhere has its differences. The only way you get both is to get into the top tier -- the pretty Japanese girls who also have good bodies, or the shapely Thai girls who also have pretty faces.

I've often pondered why the differences seem so pronounced. Why so many Japanese girls have such stunted legs, why so many mainland Chinese are ugly etc. Or like Roosh mentioned: why so many Polish are 'butterface' versus the pretty (but less otherwise endowed) Ukrainians. My theory is that because maintaining beauty (displays of genetic fitness) is expensive for a population (it shifts reproductive & resource burden towards a smaller number of people), populations tend to focus on certain types of beauty more than others -- something that is imbued both into their selection instincts and their culture. There is only so much "selection energy" available to any population, so they tend to specialize somewhat. Racial formation (i.e. why I can spot Viet vs Chinese vs Japanese vs Thai, 8 or 9 times in 10) is probably a side-effect of this.

On the 'Koreans were the best looking': that's because they put an insane amount of work into their faces looking nice. Next time pay more attention to detail: from the side you'll see their skin change from shiny white to yellow at the makeup boundary; they'll often have 'unnaturalness' in the face that indicates plastic surgery; every single feature on their face will be highly cosmetically painted or affixed in some way. Wake up next to one of them with no makeup and you'll probably have similar sentiment you mentioned about the Thai girl.
(04-06-2016 02:40 AM)Phoenix Wrote: [ -> ]I've often pondered why the differences seem so pronounced. Why so many Japanese girls have such stunted legs, why so many mainland Chinese are ugly etc. Or like Roosh mentioned: why so many Polish are 'butterface' versus the pretty (but less otherwise endowed) Ukrainians. My theory is that because maintaining beauty (displays of genetic fitness) is expensive for a population (it shifts reproductive & resource burden towards a smaller number of people), populations tend to focus on certain types of beauty more than others -- something that is imbued both into their selection instincts and their culture. There is only so much "selection energy" available to any population, so they tend to specialize somewhat. Racial formation (i.e. why I can spot Viet vs Chinese vs Japanese vs Thai, 8 or 9 times in 10) is probably a side-effect of this.

This is a thought-provoking insight and an interesting tangent. Do you have links to any papers that inspired you or favourite authors in evolutionary psychology? Cheers.
Wilberforceeggmont, I really appreciate your overall contrarian view. I think it's healthy to have a counterpoint to the idea that guys are merely presenting themselves -- notably in Thailand and the Philippines -- and are getting laid not just often but also with **quality** women.

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^ This comic is even more suitable for S.E Asia.

You also raise some other views that largely match my own, e.g: "The women of Chinese, Korean and Jap ethnicity I have banged were all better looking than the Thai birds I banged in Bangkok". (Although for me I would say 'mostly' better looking rather than 'all').

I think that your message nonetheless presents a few issues for the readers looking to decipher the legitimacy of your view. For instance, you are admittedly bitter and this emotionally-charged outlook tends to distort the helpfulness of your counterpoint for an outsider perhaps looking for an objective perspective.

Another point, covered nicely by Armogan, indicates that your solution to the problem of unattractive Thai women--which is to go to the USA--is illogical and likely slanted by idiosyncratic disdain.

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(04-06-2016 12:21 AM)wilberforceeggmont Wrote: [ -> ]...if you think you're a good looking Aussie who likes Asians and doesn't mind mass approaching, you're better off flying to San Fran and hitting up what you can there...

... To say that an Australian guy should go to San Francisco over Bangkok, if he is looking solely for women, is just bad advice. The girls in Bangkok are just as attractive and more abundant, than the ones in San Francisco...

TL;DR -- the hottest Asians girls are in Asia.

Considering your note on 'Asians' over the Thai-centric issue, I will explain further why I disagree with your suggestion.

In my experience if you took a random sample of 100 other Asians say Koreans who are living or staying in say Australia, and took 100 Koreans raised and living in Korea... it would be easier to approach and bang those in Australia, especially compared to your experience being in Korea without fluency in Korean. However, the quality of those in Australia is significantly LOWER.

(Caveat: there are significant differences in this home-vs-away ratio of success based on nationality, so generalizing across Asian countries is of limited utility here).

High status hot girls in Asia don't need to travel or meet foreigners to enjoy the lifestyle of an attractive woman - they already get that locally. Indeed in Japan they may even describe those staying overseas, who are older and/or searching for Western men, as Make-inu or "losers" [ref 1].

In Australia and much of the West, the local girls are so fat that these Make-inu pass for attractive and get attention from solid blokes whose primary alternative consists of fat, selfish, masculine white chicks *shudder*. Based on my own observations and discussions with Asians, if you contrast their experiences within their home country they generally report that they're treated as higher value overseas. They get (a) approached by more guys and (b) have higher self-perceived value because of it. Plenty of Asian 7s act like 9s in the West. It's the Charisma Woman effect -- the Reverse Charisma Man.

Reference: "Who's the Loser? Bestseller Illuminates Diversity of Women's Lifestyles" (2004) -- LINK: http://web-japan.org/trends/lifestyle/lif041029.html
Northern-Thai girls from around Chiang Mai and the like (of which there are plenty of in Bangkok) are fine as hell, and all my Japanese and Korean friends agree.

There is a high level of competition for the best looking women in every city in the world, and most westerners don't have a lot of success with top-tier women in Bangkok, but I'd still prefer to give members here the benefit of the doubt.
Didn't like Chiang Mai, women from the street couldn't understand me at all, so I tried to game the Chinese chicks and they are worse than the western women. Bars are full of stinky backpackers and working ladies.
Right now I'm down south and except the backpackers can't game anyone because of the language barrier.
Have only 2 weeks left, any ideas how to make this trip worse? Bangkok was the best place for game but I felt like it's mostly working ladies.
(04-05-2016 11:14 PM)Balkan Wrote: [ -> ]Urassaya Sperbund for reference. If this chick isn't a 9 Dodgy wilber sounds like Thai chicks just don't do it for you. That's fine. Travel elsewhere where you enjoy the women more

Urassaya is half Thai, half Norwegian.

(04-06-2016 12:47 PM)Kieran Wrote: [ -> ]Northern-Thai girls from around Chiang Mai and the like (of which there are plenty of in Bangkok) are fine as hell, and all my Japanese and Korean friends agree.

There is a high level of competition for the best looking women in every city in the world, and most westerners don't have a lot of success with top-tier women in Bangkok, but I'd still prefer to give members here the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, Northern Thailand girls does it for me too. I do think if the Central Thai look does it for you, then Southern China is a much easier and abundant place to fish. The pedestalizing of light skin chinese looking girls in Thailand is off the charts. Dime a dozen in Southern China and Taiwan.

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I've lived in BKK for several years and yes truelly knockout girls are rare to find if you hang out around Sukhumvit, Silom and RCA. However they are out their particularly once you know where to find them.

Either way grading 6,7,8,9 whatever is retarded, it's entirely subjective, chemistry goes a long way. As I think Cody said for me the harsh Russian ice queen look does absolutely nothing for me, the average fashion model just looks like they need a good meal, one mans trash etc.
(04-06-2016 10:29 PM)0898 Wrote: [ -> ]Either way grading 6,7,8,9 whatever is retarded, it's entirely subjective, chemistry goes a long way.

It IS retarded, haha. But we still do it anyway. Locker room talk Big Grin

Have to agree with chemistry going a long way. It's an important intangible.
It's a recurring theme on SEA threads where a guy will come in and compare Thais/Filipinas to East Asians. This new poster could have presented his arguments a bit better, but I'm in agreement with some of his points. My results have been pretty solid here, but I have pulled hotter talent in other Asian countries.

A few points after 6 months here:

1. Thai girls can be cute, but overall they aren't the best facially. A good body is a given for Asian girls so I don't place too much emphasis on that. Sexy Thai girls are everywhere, but a truly beautiful one is rare.

2. If you're into lighter shades of Asian then I also feel like there are better places to be than Bangkok. The minority of white-skinned Thai girls are fetishized beyond belief here, but most seem to have little interest in farang.

An interesting contrast: The other day I was in a certain tourist resort in Thailand where literally 1,000s of country bumpkins from China were visiting. Some of the Chinese girls in the tour group were giggling, pointing and even waving at us. I pointed out the irony of this to the other RVF member who was with me. White-skinned girls are considered "special" in Bangkok and yet there are literally 100,000s visiting here at any given time! This suggests that if your primary goal was to bang white-skinned Asians then China or other East Asian countries might be a better bet than Bangkok. Others have suggested Chiang Mai and other northern cities.

3. Finally, my biggest grouch with Bangkok girls is their personality. Too flighty, too much drama and high maintenance. Not particularly domestic or caring. There are certainly some very notable exceptions (I've actually managed to find one) but overall the LTR types are in scarce supply. I could overlook the appearance stuff if it wasn't for this aspect of the girls. It's as if they learn how to date by watching retarded TV dramas.

Any location is going to have pros and cons. Guys just have to decide which things they are willing to compromise on. Bangkok is a great city in many ways. I'm certainly not here because of girls as my primary motive. There are probably better places for that. The easy lifestyle, fun nightlife, amazing food, great expat community and cheap accomodation are all bigger factors that have drawn me to this city.
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