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(01-23-2018 12:29 AM)Adrenaline Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-22-2018 11:15 AM)nomadbrah Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-22-2018 07:39 AM)Adrenaline Wrote: [ -> ]I’m really not a fan of Bangkok nightlife anymore. Most of the high-so girls I would be interested in banging are closed off to foreigners, banging low class girls got boring after the first few, and you never know which of the middle class looking girls are semi-pros and which are legit. Then the legit ones open to a foreigner have probably taken a lot of farang cock already or have idiots overseas sponsoring their lifestyle. It doesn’t help that I don’t have yellow fever to begin with. I’m not bitter because some of the best nights in my life have been in Bangkok and I’ve gotten laid a ton, but when it comes to bars and clubs, I see more suitable targets and find it easier to get laid with the type of girls I want in the west to be honest...and I don’t have to worry about an unexpected bill either.

My recent trip to Thailand/Indonesia made me realise that home isn’t that bad if you’re an attractive, mid 20s guy getting laid regularly with 6-8’s at will. That will probably change with age but there’s too much garbage to dig through in Asian nightlife and too much of a stigma against foreigners with the decent girls to make it worthwhile at this stage of my life

Some people won't believe you if you tell them ONS are easier to get in the West than Bangkok (with non semi-pros).

It's true though. If you're above average in looks, lift and not completely socially retarded, then it will be easier to get ONS in several western countries than in Bangkok, due to a) you being local, no stigma b) promiscuity being normal.

Exactly my thoughts. You see these tall, skinny, blonde, dorky looking guys in SEA who are good looking in a way, but just don't have the right look/attitude for attracting western girls. Western girls prefer dark and handsome, built like an athlete, tattoos, more of a bad boy vibe etc. I can understand why these types go to SEA, because they're the ones who get the biggest increase in SMV by doing so. I'm closer to the latter look, which is probably why getting laid in the west is easy enough, along with being able to properly banter with the girls and use dark triad without language/cultural barriers, and no stigma for being an outsider/the promiscuous nature of western girls like you mentioned.

Glad to see some are on the same page. Thought I'd get ripped to shreds for talking up the west as a better place to get laid than Thailand.

There's many things better about living in Bangkok though, but strictly for nightlife ONS with (definite) non-pros, then I agree with you. We also have to keep in mind some guys do waaaay better in Thailand than back home. From my experience, skinny guys on the shorter side with more of a baby face look, can absolutely kill it in Thailand. That's definitely the biggest arbitrage you have in Thailand, that height and build doesn't really matter, in fact skinny is an ideal. While in the West, at least in nightlife, tall and bulky, will usually give better results and those guys who slay in Thailand might struggle in nightlife. It comes down to finding your niche I guess.
(01-23-2018 09:40 AM)nomadbrah Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-23-2018 12:29 AM)Adrenaline Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-22-2018 11:15 AM)nomadbrah Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-22-2018 07:39 AM)Adrenaline Wrote: [ -> ]I’m really not a fan of Bangkok nightlife anymore. Most of the high-so girls I would be interested in banging are closed off to foreigners, banging low class girls got boring after the first few, and you never know which of the middle class looking girls are semi-pros and which are legit. Then the legit ones open to a foreigner have probably taken a lot of farang cock already or have idiots overseas sponsoring their lifestyle. It doesn’t help that I don’t have yellow fever to begin with. I’m not bitter because some of the best nights in my life have been in Bangkok and I’ve gotten laid a ton, but when it comes to bars and clubs, I see more suitable targets and find it easier to get laid with the type of girls I want in the west to be honest...and I don’t have to worry about an unexpected bill either.

My recent trip to Thailand/Indonesia made me realise that home isn’t that bad if you’re an attractive, mid 20s guy getting laid regularly with 6-8’s at will. That will probably change with age but there’s too much garbage to dig through in Asian nightlife and too much of a stigma against foreigners with the decent girls to make it worthwhile at this stage of my life

Some people won't believe you if you tell them ONS are easier to get in the West than Bangkok (with non semi-pros).

It's true though. If you're above average in looks, lift and not completely socially retarded, then it will be easier to get ONS in several western countries than in Bangkok, due to a) you being local, no stigma b) promiscuity being normal.

Exactly my thoughts. You see these tall, skinny, blonde, dorky looking guys in SEA who are good looking in a way, but just don't have the right look/attitude for attracting western girls. Western girls prefer dark and handsome, built like an athlete, tattoos, more of a bad boy vibe etc. I can understand why these types go to SEA, because they're the ones who get the biggest increase in SMV by doing so. I'm closer to the latter look, which is probably why getting laid in the west is easy enough, along with being able to properly banter with the girls and use dark triad without language/cultural barriers, and no stigma for being an outsider/the promiscuous nature of western girls like you mentioned.

Glad to see some are on the same page. Thought I'd get ripped to shreds for talking up the west as a better place to get laid than Thailand.

There's many things better about living in Bangkok though, but strictly for nightlife ONS with (definite) non-pros, then I agree with you. We also have to keep in mind some guys do waaaay better in Thailand than back home. From my experience, skinny guys on the shorter side with more of a baby face look, can absolutely kill it in Thailand. That's definitely the biggest arbitrage you have in Thailand, that height and build doesn't really matter, in fact skinny is an ideal. While in the West, at least in nightlife, tall and bulky, will usually give better results and those guys who slay in Thailand might struggle in nightlife. It comes down to finding your niche I guess.

I don't entirely doubt Adrenaline's point, as some western guys in SEA do end up going after the other western chicks because they're into white girls and have more value. However, I personally disagree with the bold. Granted I'm not a super model or anything but I'm still a 6'+ blue eyed white guy that saw dramatically better results in the Philippines than I do in America.

I will concede that the 7's and 8's of America may be better looking than the same caliber in SEA, but I think it's the attitude of the girls we go there for. You won't have 4's going from white dick to white dick as confidently as can happen in America and you also won't have the entitlement and attitude that western girls have. Personally, looks of the girls are not my problem in the west, as there's plenty of attractive girls. I just like the personalities of eastern girls better than western girls and there's just a lot more femininity.
^ Yeah sure, I was just commenting strictly on the ability to get ONS with attractive girls (who are definitely not pros or semi-pros). Adrenaline is not American and neither am I, so can't comment on the US situation. Agree with the rest of your post.
There are two different Thailands. What most foreigners see and the real Thailand.

Some of us have been repeating this for coming up on a decade now.

Nobody ever listens much.

They expect a certain experience when they arrive, and there's a corner of town serving it up in spades, so they see exactly what they expected. And then get cold feet when they stick around long enough to start seeing through the cracks in the facade.

But just because the facade is not real doesn't mean there's not other reasons to be here. I went pretty native for a good many years and still tend to keep it pretty local when I'm here, and I personally think this is one of the greatest places on Earth if you just relax a little bit and learn to go at the local pace. If you do what other foreigners do, not so much. If you do what other foreigners do, it will be fun for a little while, and then it will burn you out.

The place has never been about easy pussy to me. That isn't to say I haven't indulged in the pleasures of both Thailands but it's never been the point. Nobody ever believes this either, least of all friends and family from back home who just listen to what clowns who come on short-term R&R style visits tell them.

I think I went to RCA twice last year, with forum members - before that I hadn't been in at least half a decade. Same with other known clubs in town. The places I go out don't have other foreigners in them. Dodging freelancers and undercover ladyboys is not a problem in such venues. They're also not easy pussy paradises and never have been. You can pull from time to time but it will usually require some waiting and will take some game - often game with a very local twist to it that you have to learn through sometimes painful observation and experience.

I've taken other foreigners to these types of places, even men who've lived in the country for years or as much as a decade. Most never even bother to try coming - I can get them out to my favorite local restaurant but that's where the night ends for them before they head back to the room or their usual name brand spots.

Foreigners who do give the late night Thai spots a whirl usually can't hack it long and get "bored" or give some complaint about the music (it's usually Thai music) or the food (Thai food) or the style of drinking going on (Thai style) or the language barrier (Thai language) and creep back to the easier side of town. Most would rather just have the easy pickings. They want to like these places and get the allure but it's just too much.

Let's face it - most westerners in Thailand come here because there is an easy tourist and expat infrastructure to cling to. But that leash only extends so far into the real Thailand.

The idea that easy puss with hot girls is the epitome of the Thai experience is a myth long perpetuated by the simple fact that people keep going to the same venues and smashing mostly the same girls. If you don't believe me, some of you might remember a few instances where forum members who passed through later realized they were eskimo brothers in Bangkok. Given the sheer number of people in that gigantic city, that's no simple coincidence. And hell, most of the girls you see running around with foreign men were never very attractive on top of it.

"Normal girls," which really means girls that aren't either pro or addicted to foreign cock or the idea of hitching up with a foreign man, have always taken more work.

I live in Ratchada area when I'm in Bangkok, which is already pretty far away from areas where women after farang cock would even bother to go. That's not to say there aren't plenty of sex workers there, though - it's where most of the thai and korean tourists go to look for girly massages. So, you've still got to tread a little carefully when asking a girl out - fortunately the whores looking for Asia customers tend to screen you out anyhow. But there are plenty of spots in the area to go for a different scene.

My point is that just by staying Ratchada I'm pretty far off the path most guys take. Even still, I can and often do hop in a cab and head 30-45 minutes DEEPER into the city, and guess what, there are still PLENTY of clubs none of you have ever heard of, let alone been posted about on the forum, and they are on and popping. And you will be the only white face in the house. The only fucking one.

Bangkok doesn't stop there - it goes on and on and on and there are spots to go out everywhere. I rode the new MRT line out to the very end earlier this month for the fuck of it - took me about an hour and a half to get out there from the Chatachuk Park and when I got off the train and started wandering around I was still smack dab in the middle of a giant city. I didn't hang out long on this go, but I bet the nightlife out there is off the hook.

Don't even get me started on the possibilities in the rest of the country....Can't tell you how many times I've been to a small city that supposedly has zero nightlife, according to forums and wikitravel, and found you could party all night if you just hopped on a moto and cruised the backstreets until you found a local disco. In some discos I've found this way, I was astounded to look around and find there were actually considerably more women in the venue then men (no bullshit - I've been in multiple places where I actually sat back and took a headcount because I was so blown away). In fact, that happened to me just last night once again in a small Thai club in Chiang Mai that I've never seen mentioned on this forum.

Usually you will go home alone when you're off the beaten track, due to the conservative nature of the Thais, especially in a smaller place where their face is known, but not always. But what really blows my mind is the sheer number of options for nightlife in this country if you just embrace the local scene. One of my favorite things to do is just hop on a bike and pick a direction to drive until I find something.

Over ten years I've been coming to this country, and it's no more difficult to avoid the foreigner crowds than it ever was. I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it again: often you can avoid the foreigners just walking a few short blocks over from the main tourist areas. People really do cling that hard to the beaten track.

I was down in touristy Nimanheimen area here in Chiang Mai tonight - a town where you've still got jokers on this forum recommending Zoe in Yellow, smack dab in the middle of tourist central, thinking they've got enough data to write a data sheet on the place - and I saw no-name places barely mentioned on the map that are overflowing with Thai uni students right there a couple blocks from the main road on a Wednesday night. I mean, we're talking mere blocks from a tourist area and it's all locals and the place is jamming.

Head over to the Chiang Mai thread, meanwhile, and guys are in there calling it a primitive village with nothing to do. Don't ask me what town these guys went to because it certainly isn't the one I used to live in.

Two Thailands.

Just last night I took an old friend who has lived here as long as I have to some of my local spots. We had a good time, but it was really one long confession about why he still tends to just go to the center and sleep with the girls there. I could care less what he does with his dick and his time, but he almost seemed embarrassed that he wasn't trying harder to avoid the crutch. There are all kinds of reasons men will give you for why venues like the one I just mentioned don't work for them just before they head back to Zoe and Spicy (or move back to Bangkok). Too boring. Too loud. No Thai language skills. Thai clubs have shit logistics.

It all comes down to the same thing - each and every fucking time.

Too hard.

I speak a little Thai and know the culture well but it still isn't easy for me either. But again, puss has never been my main reason for Thailand. I mean, how easy do you really need it to be happy? How easy do you want it? Is it supposed to be easy?

Is it not good enough to know that with a little work you can have a young hot twenty-one year old, who will probably never gain much weight at all, sucking your dick every morning when you wake up (no matter your age)? Cleaning and cooking for you without bitching about the little things you do just because you're a man? Happy and proud to be and look and act and smell like a woman every single moment of the day?

Is it not good enough to just kick back and enjoy a life of luxury at half the cost and forget about clocks for a while?

I mean, when did the focus on enjoying young feminine women and what a treat they can be abroad...change to... to needing a new hot club slut or Tinder delivery each and every day to make a place even worth the time and effort to travel there?

I always thought the women were just the icing on the cake of how much I enjoy living abroad - not the main focus. My dick puts it in central focus at times because I'm a man, but not so much that I'd cling to the states if I wasn't getting the quality I wanted or could back home. In fact, remember posting in my earlier years here even that my quality back home was generally better (and getting a confused chuckle from another member who didn't realize I was out in the trenches in the local venues and thought that sounded ridiculous) - I think that gap has lessened over the years as I've gotten the lay of the land, but it certainly wasn't enough to make me want to stay stateside when it was my reality.

And then there's this...Some of you seem to see the easy lays in the states as a plus. And the relatively difficult lays in Thailand (the real Thailand) as some kind of negative. But for me the easy girls in the states are the negative - that promiscuous culture is a core part of everything we despise about western women today, and if much of Thailand can hold on to its more conservative standards, all the better. It's a core part of everything we hate in our culture and yet we continually go abroad and hold women in the places we go to our dysfunctional standards...and often accelerate the ruin of some of them in the process.

I'm no prude and will always encourage men to fulfill their urges. Thailand does too - that's why the sex trade is there for the taking as they need it.

That being said, Thais also know a thing or two about the paradox of satisfied urges, which is why most men choose to settle down in their twenties even with the abundance of options. A parade of sluts coming through your room has it's moments but it has never been a recipe for long-term happiness even when you're successful at it. And when you're successful at it by tricking girls who aren't into a guy who wants that, which is what most foreign men have to stoop to once they get out of the major areas of Bangkok (hey I've done it too), at who's expense are you successful at it anyhow?

If that's what you want, might as well stick with the low class sluts or go back to America. Then again, is there really a difference in those two choices? American women are considered low class sluts abroad for a reason.

I didn't come here looking for an easy pussy pass to an adult playground. I've gone there my share of times, usually when the liquor was loaded on, but that's a recipe for burnout. I just find it fascinating how since the beginning origins of this forum it's always been this back and forth swing of the pendulum - about how Thailand is some holy grail of pussy where all girls throw themselves at your feet (not true and never been true) and then it is this overdone place where all the girls are whores and the scene is garbage (also not true and never been true).

The truth not only doesn't lay in the middle - it's way out there in left field. And most people give up long before they figure it out because the priorities that brought them here were screwed up to begin with.

This isn't to pick on Adrenaline or even to pick on this forum. If the place isn't for you, and you were just coming because you heard there were easy girls, by all means, give it a miss - as it is indeed pretty easy to get laid in the West already. I rant about it because I've been seeing this same misguided drama play out over and over again in the greater cultural dialogue since I moved out here. This "Bangkok's finished" sentiment popping up over the last year is just the latest version of it. The myths run real deep, and even if they cause people back home to misunderstand my reasons for being here, I'm grateful that they at least protect my favorite places from getting flooded by more tourists and swinging dicks.

In fact, that's why us more hardcore addicted Thailand guys usually just keep our mouths shut throughout all the misinformation - no skin off our backs if guys give up on the idea of coming here or find getting the normal girls to be too much of a chore to try for. I'm making an exception in this instance because I know this post will just be another call for clarity lost in the noise anyhow, but maybe it will at least get through to some of you that there's another way to look at life and travel.

Simply put, if pussy is your main reason for traveling and living in Asia, you're doing it wrong. The pussy here can be great, and hey, I love the stuff, so don't get me wrong. But it shouldn't be the entire point.

It should never be the entire point.
^ P.s. I apologize to any non-Americans offended in the making of this post. Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQleT6BtCbE

Wow, holy shit seeing BB's post got me goosebumps like Jordan Belfort to his crew in Wolf of Wall Street. BB I don't kiss ass often on this forum, but that had to be the best god damn post on Thailand I've ever seen on here. I would rep you again for that if it were possible. He has represented the true essence of life in this post and what we should be looking for.

I've never even been to Thailand but have been to the Philippines and have embraced the idea of Southeast Asia to at least some degree. It is a region of the world I can end up seeing myself being in the future but BB expands on it as more than just a supposed pussy paradise. I have talked to a couple of guys in the Phils on here that have tried to go deeper into Manila and other island towns as well, but BB really breaks down why this is all vital with information not spoon fed to you.

Traveling the world and starting all over takes work. Giving yourself a better life takes work and it can take years of self acceptance and self improvement but eventually, you have to take a dive in. Going on my experience in the Philippines, I believe BB also jumps into other reasons why it can be good to live in this part of the world. I am of the belief there can be sweet, feminine, and caring girls to settle down with if you know where to look. Guys that don't post as much on here but are still legitimate members can testify on that for SEA.

Admittedly, the initial attraction for most western men is going to be the supposed lure of a pussy paradise. Going here once, you know that's not sustainable long term because as BB said, it can and probably will burn you out.

However, the real motivation is to get away from what we don't like about our western cultures. If you don't want to see rowdy 4's thinking they have more power than a male 7, go to SEA. If you want a traditional girl that will give you an opportunity to be a man and lead while taking care of you and being sweet and feminine, go to SEA. If you want to be somewhere that people aren't yelling at each other or getting hot headed over the most petty shit, go to SEA. If you want to be somewhere that isn't all about Keeping Up With the Joneses, go to SEA. Maybe most importantly, if you want to be somewhere that actually has more like-minded men then you could ever expect back home, go to SEA.

Well done BB, just well done. *tips cap*
Great post Beyond Borders.

I know this isn't the right thread, but I've always had a thing for Chiang Rai. Does anyone know if it has decent nightlife?
Excellent post BB, and I agree with you 100%. If I were looking for all those things, which may very well come in the near future, I would take the exact same path as you have, and I’m definitely not disputing that there is a much different side of Bangkok to the one I’ve been experiencing. At this stage of my life, I’m just a horny son of a bitch on a notch mission though, and only do night game because that’s what I enjoy, even when I don’t get laid. Hell, I turn down easy pussy a lot of the time in favour of staying out and keeping the fun going so it’s still not all about getting laid with me either. All I’m saying is for what I’m after right now, western cities seems to be a better fit than Bangkok, due to those language barriers, foreigner stigma, and conservative culture outside the semi pros and farang fan girls in central Bangkok that you mentioned. My game is also moderately dark triad and I use funny/cocky a lot with western girls, which is difficult when the Thai girls I actually do want wouldn’t be receptive or understand any of this. Bangkok could very well be a paradise for some men, and I love the city and will continue to visit, but taking game preference and lifestyle into consideration, it’s just not what I’m looking for at the moment.
BB nice post how's the quality in these local clubs compared to the main joints in ekkemai / thonglor? Seems like a nice angle to work with. Honestly I prefer Western comforts so I tend to stick to the local upper middle class joints.

Last night at demo was pretty crazy. Although didn't get laid the tinder gal who invited me let me join her table and didn't even ask for money to pay for drinks. I chipped in anyway at the end. Great talent.
(01-23-2018 10:37 PM)Putin Closes Wrote: [ -> ]BB nice post how's the quality in these local clubs compared to the main joints in ekkemai / thonglor? Seems like a nice angle to work with. Honestly I prefer Western comforts so I tend to stick to the local upper middle class joints.

Last night at demo was pretty crazy. Although didn't get laid the tinder gal who invited me let me join her table and didn't even ask for money to pay for drinks. I chipped in anyway at the end. Great talent.

Man o man that whole post went right over your head.
Been hitting KSR with friends lately. I'd say it's having a resurgence, and I've been getting more consistency there than any other clubs. At this point the dirty backpacker crowd doesn't even bother me. When I'm out there hunting I have the complete blinders on for young Thai puss. My go to strategy is to collect leads up and down KSR, find the best prospects and bounce them to Rocco's Bar at the end of the street (usually stays open past 3 am playing hip hop, which is good if you don't find anything earlier). Have a few drinks and suggest we go to Sugar (after hours). Pull to taxi and tell driver to go to Asoke. Depending on how down she is I make a judgement call whether to go to Sugar or just go straight to my condo. If it looks good then I tell driver to go to my condo. I tell girl I have to make a stop to get my phone charger then we go to club. Once I get in the condo,it's either on or it's not. If not, I follow up for a day 2.If it's good, then it's all night to boom boom town! Banana

Cheers
It gets a bad rap but Khao San Road is always a good time and incredibly easy to lay both Thai girls (although usually slutty ones) and tourist girls. I always stay on the road when I plan to go there, so logistics are perfect and it’s like taking candy from a baby. January is an especially fruitful month from my experience with everything in full swing.
Last night was pretty good. I notice a lot more 18-22 yo university Thai chicks going there instead of clubs where you find more older jaded thai chicks that have been through the farang carousel. I'd rather get a younger thai girl where her lay count is relatively lower, speaks semi good english but not great, and is new to the farang factor. Everything is exciting for her as she has just moved to the big city from her smaller village.

Another advantage I find at KSR is a lot of Asian tourists staying in BKK for like a week. I find golden nuggets of Korean and Chinese chicks visiting for a short time. It's a good enough window to get a bang in while there on vacation.
^ Yep, took a really cute Korean girl’s virginity there a few weeks ago actually. Happy days.
Great discussion going on here.

It's the age old paradox. Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.

Beating video games on easy mode becomes less fulfilling over time.

Pussy becomes less exciting when you can have it whenever you want.

Wheres the fun, wheres the challenge, wheres the learning value in scooping up low quality sluts with little to no effort?

I'm guilty of it as well. I did the whole "stick my dick in as many vaginas as possible" quest; three weeks in Bangkok and countless lays later, I got so tired of it I was genuinely happy to go on a date with an educated, classy good girl, even if I knew it wasn't gonna end in a lay.

By all means, if you want to experience feeling invincible and crushing new puss night after night, go to Bangkok. Go to KSR, Go to Insanity, go to Sugar, pick up those easy sluts and get your notch count up.

It's a phase we have to go through before we move on to the next level.

And if you happen to be completely satisfied continuing to do that for an extended time, keep doing your thing.

But if you find yourself bored, unfulfilled, and tired of low quality sluts, know that you have a choice--all you have to do is step out of the farang bubble and explore the real Thailand.

It might be harder, but the best things in life take effort, right?
(01-27-2018 05:18 AM)ProfessorCumbledore Wrote: [ -> ]I'm guilty of it as well. I did the whole "stick my dick in as many vaginas as possible" quest; three weeks in Bangkok and countless lays later, I got so tired of it I was genuinely happy to go on a date with an educated, classy good girl, even if I knew it wasn't gonna end in a lay.

Thai "education" is a joke and pretty much all girls I have met that studied abroad had rich as fuck parents and expected a top 10% white guy in a 3rd world shithole (granted Bangkok is a lesser shithole when compared to Manila or Jakarta but it's still 3rd world) who would make her a housewife. Yeah... no thanks I'll pass...

If you want educated girls (as in classical education and not feminist college indoctrination) that have no expectations beyond fun, go to Europe (just avoid ultra expensive places like London unless you have the necessary cash). I have found my niche there and it's so easy it's ridiculous compared to all the stuck up 3rd world girls who want beta bucks prince charming. Never would've thought that this would be the case 10 years ago when I first came to Asia.

If you're dead set on Asia then China would be the lowest effort place to go to study (easy enough to get full ride scholarships or really low costs of living in 2nd tier cities) or work (English teaching as well as some tech jobs now) for a couple of years. Chinese girls largely can't fuck, got stinky poons and a low sex drive but you won't have a hard time getting multiple girlfriends if you play your cards right and make it clear that you aren't looking for something steady or looking to marry. (their presumption is them putting out always leads to marriage) If you're in a first tier city, steady ONS are doable as well.

Thailand has it's charm for guys like Beyond Borders who are extremely disenfranchised in the western world, with low earning potential (no offense but I think you used to be a "starving" writer right?) looking to live a relaxed life, but for anyone not looking to go full 3rd world native indefinitely it's really not the place anymore imho.
Asiaballer...you seem mighty negative considering you're such a baller. Smile
(01-27-2018 08:29 AM)Bushido Wrote: [ -> ]Asiaballer...you seem mighty negative considering you're such a baller. Smile

Times change and I probably wouldn't pick that nick anymore now. Big Grin

There was a time when I was really stoked on BKK, but that was long ago.

Low costs of living (I was living in a nice condo close to Victory Monument BTS), popping bottles at RCA etc. every other day, eating out every day, life was good, everything was fun.

However times changed, I changed, BKK changed and after having been in Asia for close to 10 years I find more flaws with everything than positives. Familiarity breeds contempt they say...
^ Ha. Fair enough. You might want to consider a break for a while. You'll probably find yourself missing Asia eventually...and appreciate those positives.

Also BB doesn't need me to fight his wars but he's definitely no starving writer and doubt he ever was.
Some contrarian views from me:

(01-23-2018 02:19 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote: [ -> ]My point is that just by staying Ratchada I'm pretty far off the path most guys take. Even still, I can and often do hop in a cab and head 30-45 minutes DEEPER into the city, and guess what, there are still PLENTY of clubs none of you have ever heard of, let alone been posted about on the forum, and they are on and popping. And you will be the only white face in the house. The only fucking one.

I honestly never had positive experiences in Asia being the only white dude in the place. You're a one man freak show, a zoo animal invading "their" space.

I did that a couple times waaay back in the days in Ekkamai and Thong Lo a couple years before smart phones even came out and it was just weird to me and I felt very out of place. Some places where rich guys go had crazy ratios like you described but I wasn't really sure if the girls were hookers, looking for a guy to make them a mia noi or w/e.

That was in my Asia newbie period before I realized I have nothing in common with thais really aside from me living there, but even in Japan where I actually had something in common with people, that never resulted in me getting laid.

Quote:Is it not good enough to know that with a little work you can have a young hot twenty-one year old, who will probably never gain much weight at all, sucking your dick every morning when you wake up (no matter your age)? Cleaning and cooking for you without bitching about the little things you do just because you're a man? Happy and proud to be and look and act and smell like a woman every single moment of the day?

To me this is kind of a beta fantasy. If you ever had a live in LTR you know about all the negatives that come along with it. You essentially have a live in hooker / maid that often has expensive expectations and is trying to work your head.

Quote:Is it not good enough to just kick back and enjoy a life of luxury at half the cost and forget about clocks for a while?

Unless you see yourself living in the third world forever this could mean being stuck there when you'd really rather leave. Complacency without a clear path is a dangerous thing these days in ever more competitive times.

Quote:That being said, Thais also know a thing or two about the paradox of satisfied urges, which is why most men choose to settle down in their twenties even with the abundance of options.

Most thai guys in BKK don't have a ton of options. Only the top 10% do and often only in their 30s and beyond as well when they're more established. Marriage is often also political as there are things to gain from marrying into the right families. They just go with the flow and dick hookers in brothels or take a second wife if they have the money and desire to do so.

Quote:A parade of sluts coming through your room has it's moments but it has never been a recipe for long-term happiness even when you're successful at it.

Enjoying your work, having enjoyable hobbies, a good quality life in general and male friends would be the main happiness factors. Cohabitation with a woman not so much.

Quote:If that's what you want, might as well stick with the low class sluts or go back to America. Then again, is there really a difference in those two choices? American women are considered low class sluts abroad for a reason.

I find 90%+ of thai women in BKK low class one way or another. Low class way of dressing, gossipy, lazy, plenty of rude and crass ones around. Lots of western guys don't seem to see what I see though.
Headed to BKK for 6 days beginning of Feb(1st time). Trying to find best place to set up Camp. It appears that the area between Asok to Ekkamai BTS is good for nightlife, the night life seems to be similar to a Big City, Chicago, Houston, Vegas etc. Also places there close early(2am). The logistics of hopping around Sukhumvit Road seem rather difficult and can take time. Other option would be KSR...Bars closer together etc. For a 6 day Vacation, BKK rookie, where would one recommend staying?
(01-27-2018 11:48 AM)dsutmdo Wrote: [ -> ]Headed to BKK for 6 days beginning of Feb(1st time). Trying to find best place to set up Camp. It appears that the area between Asok to Ekkamai BTS is good for nightlife, the night life seems to be similar to a Big City, Chicago, Houston, Vegas etc. Also places there close early(2am). The logistics of hopping around Sukhumvit Road seem rather difficult and can take time. Other option would be KSR...Bars closer together etc. For a 6 day Vacation, BKK rookie, where would one recommend staying?

Base yourself at Siam Square, you have easy access from there via cab to khao san road, RCA and you're in a good area as well in the daytime for shopping and walking around.

https://www.momondo.com/hotels/s/siam-square

The logistics aren't complicated at all. Just grab a cab, they're cheap and plenty.
how is the quality of the tourist cunts on koh sohn road?? is it really worth it to go to find some amazing french gems? Im living in philippines btw and love it.
TBH brah when picking your lodging the daytime factors (convenience stores, places to eat, distance from BTS station, quietness) is more important than nighttime proximity to nightlife.

9/10 times you're gonna take a cab to go out at night and as long as you're somewhat central (Pretty much anywhere along the main BTS line, just not out on the extreme ends), you'll be just fine.

Don't stay on Khao San Road unless you plan on spending most of all of your time there. 1. It's way on the edge of town and 2. It's a fucking black hole and you probably won't leave.

Also you probably already know but do your research before booking--a lot of hotels and even apartment complexes have a no guest policy. Best filter is to get an Airbnb and make sure there is no front desk concierge type setup like a hotel where you have to pass an attendant to get to your room.
(01-23-2018 02:19 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote: [ -> ]In fact, that's why us more hardcore addicted Thailand guys usually just keep our mouths shut throughout all the misinformation - no skin off our backs if guys give up on the idea of coming here or find getting the normal girls to be too much of a chore to try for. I'm making an exception in this instance because I know this post will just be another call for clarity lost in the noise anyhow, but maybe it will at least get through to some of you that there's another way to look at life and travel.

Amazing post BB. Well written, insightful, and raw. Seriously, your writing is world class and your observations of the world speak for themself.

I can't tell you how many times the same thoughts crossed my mind, or how many times I've heard similar sentiments among the guys about bad information growing into their own false and self perpetuating narratives.

I think a major reason these falsehoods turn into beasts of their own comes from the frustration of the world failing to conveniently fit into our western worldview of how the world "should" work. But perhaps an even bigger reason is, like you said, it's just too hard. It takes patience, effort, modesty, and a bit of courage to really break into these places and understand them.

For some guys, that's a rewarding process in it's own right, and part of the reason we keep coming back. For other guys, the addiction to instant results and the inability to get what they think they're entitled to becomes resentful. Where there's failure, what is the easier one to admit? That the problem is with us, or that the problem is with the country?

Of course, the option which quenches the ego is often the one taken. That's not to say that these places are perfect. God knows they have their own peculiarities and often time there's some unsavory aspects which are almost universally despised. No place is perfect, and what's great for one guy might be hell for another.

But for some people, these places can be a breath of fresh air and an almost idealic setting depending on their desired lifestyle and inclinations. There are many guys out there doing well, having a blast, and these aren't the guys you hear complaining about how shit things are.

I'm not gonna try and big myself up and say I'm perfect or above criticism either.
Most guys who've met me would probably agree when I say I see myself as a pretty average guy with modest tastes. I'm pretty happy with my current situation, and a pretty tame guy in general, but if I were looking to up my lifestyle or find more success with women, I'd look to what successful guys are doing and consider what I should be doing to get what I want rather than throw the country under the bus.

The more you learn about these places, the more their strange behaviors and social customs (at least, from a western standpoint) make sense. The more time and effort, the better the results and appreciation of the rewards.

So there's two choices. Double down and curse a place for our failures, or stick around with an open mind and peel away one layer at a time.

For those of us who find ourselves at home in these places, we like things the way they are. Part of the difficulty is overcoming the negative perception of foreigners because of the sometimes twisted expectations and crude behavior they bring. One bad event might tarnish the image of all foreigners in a country. I'm not saying it's hard to overcome a negative perception, but why invite it when it can be avoided.

There's a reason our favorite spots usually aren't mentioned here. The kind of guys who will complain about a place they've got all figured out after a few weeks probably aren't going to be the ones we want bringing that mindset into our favorite watering holes and meetup spots. Actually, the less the better.

Let's be honest, the people who are willing to brave uncertainty and travel and settle in faraway lands are pretty unique, and sometimes not in a good way. Some people are taking some personal baggage with them. You never know who is gonna discover a place, stomp on it, and change its atmosphere. Sure, there will always be other undiscovered spots to move on to, but perhaps it's just better to avoid altogether.

Is it worth the risk and the effort to give away the keys to the kingdom, or change a mind that's already made up? I don't know. For a long time, I've thought the answer was no. But there's always guys coming in and out of town, and some of them might appreciate the wider perspective. I'd hope for most guys its a seed which falls on fertile ground.

(01-27-2018 07:44 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote: [ -> ]...for anyone not looking to go full 3rd world native indefinitely it's really not the place anymore imho.

Well damn, that didn't take long.

(01-27-2018 10:06 AM)AsiaBaller Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Is it not good enough to know that with a little work you can have a young hot twenty-one year old, who will probably never gain much weight at all, sucking your dick every morning when you wake up (no matter your age)? Cleaning and cooking for you without bitching about the little things you do just because you're a man? Happy and proud to be and look and act and smell like a woman every single moment of the day?

To me this is kind of a beta fantasy. If you ever had a live in LTR you know about all the negatives that come along with it. You essentially have a live in hooker / maid that often has expensive expectations and is trying to work your head.

If you think an LTR is basically only good as a live in hooker / maid, I question whether you've ever been in a good one, or even if you'd be ready for one if it were to come your way. I see this sentiment pop up in the alt sphere often, and I think it's one of the major failings of the community. I'm only just beginning to see how rewarding and fulfilling a good relationship can be, and I think the benefits are really underappreciated and unacknowledged.

The argument that women are basically worthless beyond serving your sexual and domestic needs is a reactionary product of feminism, a denial of the feminine nature of women and the benefits it can bring. Guys, we're not all perfect, and some things can be taken care of or handled better when there's a woman along for the ride.

It's easier on the ego to live an atomized life and never have to face our demons. For some things, our friends are an invaluable asset. But they've also got their own lives, and they're not always going to be there at the drop of the hat, or willing to blow their life savings when you need it. Often we surround ourselves with the people who enable our behavior, and we can live highly functioning yet self destructive lifestyles. Sometimes friends will help you face your demons and work on your imperfections, but not when the costs are high enough or we're too resistant.

But some good women are. I think Jordan Peterson explains it best:





For some guys, having a good woman around will make them a better person with a more rewarding lifestyle. I think it does for me. When I see my girl busting her ass to make my life easier and asking nothing in return, it makes me think about what I'm doing for them and if I'm strong enough to become a better partner and a worthy father. A good woman can have a calming effect on a man, and some men who aren't ready to face their problems end up with bad life trajectories. Not all, but probably most. There have always been ascetic men in the world, but they've never been the majority.

Now I'm not denying that women have needs. Christ, we're all human. Women have biological clocks and their beauty declines rapidly. They know this at their core, and it's part of the reason they can act so irrationality when their plans for life security are shattered. It must be terrifying having to gamble their time away not knowing if the guy will settle down with them, or if they're just gonna waste their precious years away. Most women need a man for their survival and security. Does that make them selfish and underhanded?

If your friend bails you out of the slammer, does that make him selfish for expecting another favor down the line? Or what about your dad, that selfish prick who wanted a genetic legacy but never asked you? I think the problem comes with the modern hedonic, materialist worldview that needs to boil down every interaction into a transactional process. Is every relationship in our lives purely transactional and inherently selfish? That seems to be the way society is going, but are we getting happier? The fenatyl epidemic, suicide rates, and psychotropic drug use rates don't seem to suggest it.

Relationships are never perfect, but they might be better than being perpetually single for some guys. It's really rewarding having someone who can share journeys with you, give you different perspectives, share responsibilities, challenge you when you're being an idiot, care for you when you're sick, and all of the other intangibles that are difficult to put in words. It will not always be easy, and sometimes will bring about it's own challenges. I'm not trying to give a rosy picture of things, but I think this is a perspective that's rarely broached here. Is it a risk? Fuck yea it is, probably one of the biggest ones you can make. But it might be worth it.

Not every woman out there is broken, and there's actually a lot of good ones out there. I think life is a lot more rewarding with a caring, feminine, happy woman at your side.
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