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I'm a 25 year old guy from NY and am in mini-retirement backpacking around South America in month 4 of what will probably be a ~8-12 month trip. My game is "okay" in that in the US I can consistently get numbers from bar game with 7's and 8's and convert those to lays after 3-4 dates, but I rarely get SNLs or 9's and 10's. My Spanish is at the level where I can generally have a 1:1 conversation, but it's hard to understand groups or in loud clubs.

I've been in Argentina for about 3 weeks now (1 week in Salta, 2 weeks in Buenos Aires). I just got an apartment in Palermo Soho in BA, so I'll be here at least another month. I'd been in Peru the past two months and Argentina's a huge shift girl-wise. In Peru, 80-90% of sets would hook, but they'd stall out when I tried to kino-escalate. In Argentina, I'm seeing maybe 10% hook rate or less and all my #closes have fizzled out before the D2.

I've read some of the posts on here about Argentina / BA (1, 2, 3) and a lot of my travel game is influenced by Bang Colombia. I'm definitely seeing short attention span. I've opened sets and had girls all line up to meet me when they hear my American accent then a minute later seem to have no interest in talking to me.

In dance clubs, it's been just a massacre for me. I can't get any girls to dance with me and I've tried a few different strategies multiple times, but still no success at all. The pulls I've seen discussed on the forums seem to be from clubs, so I'd like to improve here.

I'm looking for some advice from guys who have had success in Argentina. Here are some FRs of interesting interactions I've had in the past week in case they're revealing of sticking points I might have with Argie girls I'm not aware of.

Pub Crawl Gringo Chaser

I went on a pub crawl with a wing on Monday night, but the crawl got canceled due to not enough participants. The organizers didn't want a bad rap, so they got us free cover to a club in Recoleta (don't recall the name). After striking out a bunch opening girls in the club, I opened an HB6 who was in the pub crawl group. It seemed like she'd been talking to these two other guys on the crawl the whole night but they left when I came over even though I was trying to include them in conversation. The girl was an HB6 and it turned out she was Argentinian and lives in Buenos Aires, but does this pub crawl as a paying participant every Monday, which is sort of weird considering it seems aimed at foreigners so I thought likely gringo chaser.

After 15 mins of chit-chat, I invite her to dance, which escalates to making out, which escalates to me slipping a hand under the shirt and feeling her tits. Did this a few times and she would go along with it, but stop me after a few seconds. I tried putting her hand on my crotch and she'd rub briefly, but then stop. After about 30 mins of dancing / making out I try to bounce her back to my hotel room:

Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChaser: What?
Me: Let's go.
HBGringoChasser: Where?
Me: Someplace more private.
HBGringoChaser: [shakes head]

We continue dancing but my wing tells me he's tired and going back to the hotel and I don't see this going anywhere and wasn't willing to invest a ton in a 6, so I #close her and leave. I texted her 2 days later "Hey HBGringoChaser it's Arobin. How's it going!" (I actually meant the ! to be a ? - typo) and got no response.

El Alamo - Drink Grubber

Opened a 3-set by the bar at El Alamo with, "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They didn't understand so I switched to Spanish and one cute girl who would constantly smile started laughing and playfully hit me in the arm, which was a great start.

(in Spanish)
HBSmiley: Where are you from?
Me: The United States. New York.
HBSmiley: (playfully) No you're not! Liar!
Me: The United States.
HBSmiley: Liar!
Me: What? why do you think I'm not American?
HBSmiley: Your English is bad.
Me: Haha, what?
HBSmiley: (grabbing the hand I had resting on her side) And this!
Me: What this?
HBSmiley: American guys don't touch. That's an Argentinian thing too.
Me: We touch.

At the time I thought she just misheard my English and genuinely thought I was trying to trick her, but a friend later suggested to me that she was just being playful and I missed it, which is possible. I just ignored it and started talking about something else. About 10 mins in, she points out my wing who'd been talking to her friend a few feet away (not realizing we knew each other because he opened independently) and she said none of them liked him because when they asked him to buy them a drink, he said they should be buying him a drink, but this didn't go over well and they said he was cheap (and she pointed to her elbow and said "pato" or "pata" but I didn't understand this expression). She starts hinting I should buy her a drink and I ignore it. Then she asks me what I'm drinking and I'm thinking great sign, but I realized it might be a trick where she "orders for us" but then has the bartender come to me for the bill. I asked, "Are you inviting me?" And she says no, so then I say nevermind about the drink.

She starts pushing on the drink again and I ignore it and say, "Hey, I'm going to teach you a game. It's an American game." And she gets interested and I explain to her how to play Kill, Fuck, or Marry and she seems into it. Then I pick the guys and she suddenly cools

HBSmiley: That doesn't sound like a fun game. I don't want to play.
Me: You're killin' me, Smalls.
HBSmiley: What?
Me: Oh, I guess that reference doesn't make sense to you. Where's the playfulness, HBSmiley?
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: You're really cute, but I like playful. (trying to get her to qualify herself, but struggling at this point)
HBSmiley: [shrugs]
Me: Okay, well, it was nice talking to you. See you later.

I was just bored with her and figured I could find other girls who were more playful and weren't grubbing for drinks, but I later regretted this because she was really cute and pretty playful at the beginning, so I think this set could have been winnable if I handled it differently.

El Alamo - Girl with Secret Boyfriend

I open two girls sitting at a table with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." They're friendly and when I sit, they say, "Yes, yes, please join us!" It turns out they're sisters and the older sister seemed a little drunker and got up and wandered off after a few minutes so I talked to the younger sister, who was 19 years old and an 8. I do some of my usual stack. She's a student and I correctly guess her major (I'm usually close just by educated guesses, but I got this one dead on. Sadly, girls never seem sufficiently impressed when I do this).

We talked for about 20 minutes and I threw out an SOI telling her that I thought she was really cute, then softening it with a neg saying I thought she makes really funny facial expressions and imitated them. I had my hand on her back through most of the second half of the 20 mins. It wasn't really escalating though and at the 20 minute mark she said she needed to find her sister. I pretended I didn't hear her and stacked forward, but then told her I needed to go find my friend just so she didn't leave thinking she was the one who ended the interaction. I #closed her and she wrote her fb and cell, which I took as a good sign because I've found any time a girl writes any information in addition to first name and cell, a D2 is very likely.

I friended her the next day and saw she has a boyfriend who was never mentioned even though I was pretty clear with my intentions. I figured I'd just ignore it and proceed as usual, so I texted her in the afternoon:

Me: Hey HBSecretBoyfriend it's Arobin (funny and sexy guy from last night). It was a pleasure meeting you.

No response and the next day I sent:

Me: Are you hip enough to know any cool spots to go out in Palermo?

No response. I was going for qualification, but I knew at the time it was pretty hamfisted and not well calibrated since she hadn't previously shown any interest via text, but I felt like this was basically dead no matter what and figured I might as well send something I wouldn't normally send.

Freeze-out in Palermo

I was in a club in Plaza Serrano (don't recall the name) Saturday night and my wing and I were waiting at the bar and I saw a 2-set next to us and opened with "You guys seem like you're having the most fun of anyone here." The hotter one kind of frowns at me and cocks her head, so I'm assuming she didn't understand. I'm waiting for her to say something back when my wing asks me about my drink order, so I turn and talk to him. I come back a minute later after we got our drinks and approach with, "Hey," but they just ignore me and don't even turn to look even though I was 2 feet away and clearly talking to them. I'm not used to shut-downs this cold, so I just ejected, but I'm not sure if these are salvageable.

Any feedback / advice greatly appreciated.
"I'm looking for some advice from guys who have had success in Argentina."

Pull some James Bond shit.
seems like ur having a tough going in south america! i would ditch that opener you have been using.

i am really baffled at ur lack of success. 25 yr old american guy with decent spanish. you should be slaying pussy left and right with all that time!

I would leave argentina ASAP. head for greener pastures in colombia, brasil, or venezuela.

as far as ur FR go, your doing something wrong. seems to me ur just randomly picking out girls and sets to open. i wouldnt do that. you need to be very observant and focus ur attack on girls/sets that show IOI's clear IOI's like staring, opening you, touching you as you walk past ect. This alone will increase ur success rate.

also i think your thinking to much and not coming across as natural as you should be.

how many chicks did u fuck in peru in 2 months? i need to know to better assess ur situation / game.

*** this should prob be moved the the travel section.....
Quote:Trying to figure out Argentinian girls

The best advice I can give you is don't. Try to get laid, do your approaches, put in the work, but trying to "figure" them out will lead to nothing but disappointment and darkness.

That said, try to find girls that already like gringos (Couchsurfing, expat bars, older women who are tired of Argentine guys). Also gringoed and his friend Partytime had some epic threads on Argentina, which involved putting ads in newspapers for models/language instructors. Search for those.

It's in a man's nature to rise up to a challenge and figure shit out, but with Argentine women there is a long line of guys before you who decided it wasn't worth the effort.
(04-05-2011 12:35 AM)gringoed Wrote: [ -> ]Pull some James Bond shit.

I'll start ordering martinis.

(04-05-2011 12:40 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]i would ditch that opener you have been using.

Yeah, it had worked well in the US and Peru, but it's not getting a great response in Argentina, so I'm looking to experiment with others.

(04-05-2011 12:40 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]seems to me ur just randomly picking out girls and sets to open. i wouldnt do that. you need to be very observant and focus ur attack on girls/sets that show IOI's clear IOI's like staring, opening you, touching you as you walk past ect.

This strikes me as really passive game. My looks are about average and I'm in shape, but I don't get a lot of eye fucking or girls opening me. If I waited for girls to give me clear approach invitations all the time, I'd barely ever open. Most of the posts I've read about Argentina specifically say that girls won't give you eye contact.

(04-05-2011 12:40 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]I would leave argentina ASAP. head for greener pastures in colombia, brasil, or venezuela.

(04-05-2011 10:39 AM)Roosh Wrote: [ -> ]It's in a man's nature to rise up to a challenge and figure shit out, but with Argentine women there is a long line of guys before you who decided it wasn't worth the effort.

Haha, this is more defeatist than I was expecting. I really like Buenos Aires aside from the toughness of approaching. The girls are gorgeous. No matter what, I'm here for the month, so even if they are difficult, I'd like to make the best of it.

(04-05-2011 10:39 AM)Roosh Wrote: [ -> ]The best advice I can give you is don't. Try to get laid, do your approaches, put in the work, but trying to "figure" them out will lead to nothing but disappointment and darkness.

Maybe "figure out" was poor wording. I don't necessarily care if I understand how their minds work or any girl's mind works - I want to know if there are ways I should be adjusting the game I was using in the US and Peru to get better results in Argentina.
Quote:i am really baffled at ur lack of success. 25 yr old american guy with decent spanish. you should be slaying pussy left and right with all that time!

Let me guess... you've never been to Argentina.
Personally, I thought your dialogue was a little weak. As soon as she denied you at your game I would have peaced out and started walking off. Most of the time if she's at all interested she'll stop you. If not, you've saved yourself time. If Argentinean girls are anything like what Roosh has alluded, it's smart to move quickly.
I had some success in Argentina with local girls including SNL (bar game) and LTRs (from both bar game and online game).

Certainly not a rock star level of success though and a lower level of success than I was expecting to have before I went there.

My problem was different to yours though. I found the local chicks very responsive to me on openening and responded extremely well initially to the point were I had emails and phone numbers coming out my ears.

Problem was that the vast majority of them were 'histericas' as they all called in the local culture (its a very argentinian things). If you dont know what this word means then you have a new opener which is 'Hey do you know they told me about Argentininan girls? That they are histericas. Is that true?' or in Spanish 'Sabes que me han dicho sobre las argentinas? Que son histericas. Es la verdad?'

Then ask them to explain what the word means exactly and ask them if they are a histerica. Qualify the fuck out of them on this point.

Bottom line is that it took me a long time to adjust to game there but a few tips.

1. Don't use cocky funny. In fact dont tease them at all. Their fragile egos cant take it.

2. Qualify the fuck out of them.

3. Find out (if you dont know already) what 'buena onda' means. Game in Argentina is played within the boundaries of buena onda. Which is why c/f and teasing dont work even if it is playful.

4. Escalate quickly. All my lays were either same night or day 2. Make outs in clubs are easily done (in less than 1 minute at times).

5. Social proof there works great. There is nothing an argie girl likes more than a guy that another argie girl wants.

6. Get the girl talking about what she thinks of argie guys. They mostly don't like them and reminds them of the advantage that you have - you are not one of them.
(04-05-2011 10:39 AM)Roosh Wrote: [ -> ]The best advice I can give you is don't. Try to get laid.

Contadictory advice.

Not making the effort to understand the local culture and spitting game in a way because it worked for you elsewhere only sabotages your own chances.

Why sabotage yourself?
@Arobinou

It is passive game but like i said it will increase ur success rate. But there is a way to level this out. Spend the first half of the night chilling and being VERY OBSERVANT examining what the venue has to offer and look for IOI's. If you have nothing in the works after that hour or two then go into the random cold approaches.

Also i wanna add if you are not GETTING any IOI's every night than you are in the wrong venues! Go to the more local rougher venues, its alot easier to pickup there than at the upperclass rich clubs where your gringo status isnt as impressive.

@Roosh

I havent been to Argentina and from reading it is significantly harder but the OP said he "stalled out" with Peruvian girls. There is NO WAY a young decent looking american guy should not be slaying ass in Peru.
Dash: Understood, though I want this to be a place where we don't criticize and judge other guys for not pulling "left and right."

If anyone does want to criticize someone else's attempts, he better bring it with the serious knowledge and reports showing exactly how it's done.
@ Roosh / Arobin

Sorry if I came across as criticizing or judging, didnt mean it that way at all. Simply that to the OP dont get down on urself. Plenty of ass to be had in ANY south american country for young decent looking americans! just gotta figure out the best venues and methods for increasing the notch count!

Arobin, like i said try hitting some more working class local venues away from the "main touristy" spots in BsAs. First hour just relax and have some drinks doing a few laps looking for IOI's. Sorta like fishing but only ur the bait! Increase aggressiveness as the night progresses. Then report back with a field report!
Personally, I wouldn't bother with cultural calibration and would just find new places to go to. BA has one of the most diverse nightlife scene I've ever seen. Find more clubs, more bars and different scenes until you find something that works. Everyday of the week you should be able to find an events going on. Hit up the alternative-weirdo spots if you have to, don't stick to mainstream.
My experience tells me that no girl likes the freak salivating guy standing by the bar searching for meat. Understanding this about Argentinian, American or Portuguese girls is the first step to considerate yourself as a strong player IMO.

I have very few game skills as I don't use any opener / punch line at all. If that's so important, I've been a lucky bastard since puberty.
What I say to a girl always depends on my humor. It's a moment thing... Just when you start a conversation with some dude that crosses your way.

I can say that I have some looks, some dance ability (the "european" stand alone kind of dance) and have a confident attitude too. That's a major benefit as girls tend to instantaneously make a very good first impression about me... And night game play it's all about first impressions.

Gorgeous girls are sick of drooling men shooting corny openers, and I always make it interesting for them when I show myself as a more relaxed guy that is not over-impressed by their looks neither need those beautiful girls to have some fun.

If you go out with a wing, or two, the passive attitude is always the best and less threatening one. Having fun not carrying that there are girls in the dance floor is a great invitation for women to notice you, observe your atitude/looks/personality/etc, smile to you, and to join you.

If you are alone in a Club you'll have to hide it from the girls you're interested, because that alone is threatening enough to move away those 9s and 10s.

Just show yourself as a fun and confident guy. From that to rubbing, kissing, and fucking is a small step. Most times body language and attitude play the more significant role, appealing or repealing women. We're talking about night gaming in places where people go to have fun, to get dumb with alcohol and to barely ear each other.

Excuse my poor English.
As Roosh told me when he was in Argentina.

Argentinean girls "no vale la pena."

He was right.

That said, I've known plenty of American guys including ones with no game that have gotten laid in BsAs so don't believe that it's impossible.

IMO, Lumiere's suggestion to "Don't use cocky funny. In fact dont tease them at all. Their fragile egos cant take it." is really good.

However, I havent had much success with bringing up the "hysterica" thing. Like Lumiere said, their fragile ego's can't take it.

Besides that, my suggestion is to have fun and make up some crazy bullshit story about who you are. Argies are obsessed with Hollywood so feel free to make up some stories about how you know several A-list celebrities and what they're really like.

They are also really sensitive about their culture so they will love it if you tell them how much you love fernet, dulce de leche, Rodrigo, bla bla bla.
Of course, this is assuming you don't want to set up a fictitious modeling agency...
Cocky/funny doesn't work in Argentina? Weird, it's pretty much the basis of my Chilean game to the point that I see opening in English as more of a way to be a cocky asshole than to show that you're a gringo right off the bat (especially once it becomes evident that I speak Spanish just fine and I was just being a dick by speaking a language we probably don't have in common). Girls in Santiago respond very well to playful teasing and are generally pretty cool, I don't get the histerica vibe from then at all. I'm starting to think I picked the right country to set up shop in even though argie girls are definitely prettier. It's crazy how crossing an arbitrary line on a map changes everything.
Oddly enough I found that bringing up the histerica thing was well received with girls.

They are able to laugh about it and admit it which is the usual reaction you get when you bring it up in Argentina.
Thanks for the feedback all. Esp Lumiere and gringoed for the specific BA advice. I hadn't heard of the histerica thing at all. I'll definitely try that out as an opener. I've heard people mention "buena onda" but I didn't really understand it and assumed it meant something like "good vibe." I'll do some investigating there.

(04-05-2011 06:33 PM)gringoed Wrote: [ -> ]They are also really sensitive about their culture so they will love it if you tell them how much you love fernet, dulce de leche, Rodrigo, bla bla bla.

Oh man, I can easily profess my love of dulce de leche. I've been obsessed with it since getting here - probably nullifying a lot of my time at the gym but so worth it.

(04-05-2011 06:33 PM)gringoed Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, this is assuming you don't want to set up a fictitious modeling agency...

Haha, yeah. I read that post. That was awesome. I can't believe you pulled that off.
I´ve been in BA about a month now, in fact still here but leaving soon. I´ve had success here but not like what I would expect in Brazil or another country. slammed 3 girls 6-7s but honestly lower than my usual standards, i´ve been going out about 4 nights a week, my spanish is ok, this is only night game and 2 of those were snl´s. I´m extremely underwhelmed by the girls here and honestly find their brazilian counterparts much hotter, cooler, and easier. A lot of the guys I know here mostly just focus on englisg speaking tourists but I can´t stand most of them. Anyways, my trip in argentina has gone like this.

I always try for a strong start in long trips like this so both of the first 2 nights i locked in deep with 2 girls around 6s. If it was somewhere else i would´ve closed but they ended strong and i expected to slam both of in the next days. It ended up i never saw either of them again. I talked to some friends with success here and they told me u rly have to show more of an interest in these girls after u get their numbers, playing it cool and waiting a few days to call doesnt fly here. This means after you get their numbers, text them shortly after leaving and develop a rapport with them like that, call them the next day, try to set up the next date the same day, etc. You can try that, it might help you, honestly i havent rly tested it enough because i was pulling mostly snl´s after that.

I have shit to do so i havent been interested in messing around with girls who are just attention whores, time wasters, or beta-beaters. I developed a style in Brazil that is functionally aggressive to weed out time wasters and I´ve been using that to some success here. Basically you open more and go as fast and aggressive as you possibly can, locking in on prime targets. I´m sure I´ve adjusted it slightly here like being less direct but I do the same thing cause I don´t like to waste time. I´ve noticed I have to open a lot more here and where as in Brazil I would talk then leave as much space as I can for the girl to add to the conversation, here lots of girls seem satisfied with just responding to what I say but not adding anything at all, don´t waste your time with those unless you want to spend 3 weeks on a low percentage play. I basically just move on within a few minutes. It boils down to either the girl really likes you or she doesn´t, keep it moving. Don´t count on day 2s with any of these girls, that means pull them into the bathroom if theres no line.

Stay away from packed dance clubs which are very popular here. Focus more on outdoor lounges. That means congo bar, carnal, belushi, etc. I thought crobar was actually ok but only went there once. What it boils down to is a lot of these girls just aren´t DTF and some of them are , so instead of trying to change their minds, find the ones that are or go hunt tourists. I haven´t tried social circle game here so I can´t comment on that. Hope you can find something useful in there, personally I can´t wait to get out of here and go back to Brazil.
(04-05-2011 07:06 PM)gringochileno Wrote: [ -> ]Cocky/funny doesn't work in Argentina?

I'd say cocky/funny doesn't work outside US/UK countries.
(04-06-2011 03:08 AM)oldnemesis Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-05-2011 07:06 PM)gringochileno Wrote: [ -> ]Cocky/funny doesn't work in Argentina?

I'd say cocky/funny doesn't work outside US/UK countries.

I would even take it a step further and say cocky funny doesn't work on anything outside white suburban girls in the US.

Cocky funny goes over like a lead balloon on Colombian and Argentinian girls.

Roosh -

"If anyone does want to criticize someone else's attempts, he better bring it with the serious knowledge and reports showing exactly how it's done."

Agreed.

If you make claims, you should break it down.

There is way too much: "I was in Punta Del Este and girls were 'eye f*cking me' (lame term by the way) non-stop homey! I was like Ice Cube in '93 rolling down Slauson on Dubs! It's all venues! I was working "the negs" and "the cube" all day every day!"

And then homey can't even tell you the name of one bar to go to.
Quote:I would even take it a step further and say cocky funny doesn't work on anything outside white suburban girls in the US.

I've had great success opening Chilean girls in English and then switching to Spanish and saying "What, you don't speak the universal language? What's wrong with you?" with a big fucking smirk after they don't understand. (If they do speak English I tease them for being cuicas, or upperclass snobs, since only wealthy people can generally afford private English instruction.) All delivered with a very playful vibe, but in my experience Chileans like to joke and fuck around and you can take the banter pretty far and still be a buena onda.
Arobin, Argentina is big on social circle game, have tried networking with cats who can show you around in bars like Gilbratar, Sugar, Shamrock and Lost? Being connected with the right local or expat is a must. They can show you venues that you didn't even know existed. Also, another thing that might help you is going after the older crowd(27+) I saw a lot hot older women in BA.

We all want to bang the hot 18 year old spinner at Opera, however, so does 99.9% of guys in the club. Personally, I don't think Argentinian chicks being histericas is the problem, the problem is the thirstyness and over aggressiveness of Argie guys.
Now I'm curious to what histericas mean.
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