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Some time ago Roosh twitted this interesting map of Europe.

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According to the map, Southern European girls have the lowest notch.

Consequently, I was wondering if they are worth pursuing serious relationships.
The consensus on the forum seems to be that they are hard to game, extremely social circle oriented creating an annoying obstacle for cold approaching lone wolf, and in general not attractive enough to justify the effort. The higher the quality the more emphasis is put on social status and pedigree as well.

After living in Spain for more than a year, I admit that these are true to the greater extent. However, I also see that there is some quality in the country. Some amount of hot MILFs around is also the case. I am probably a minority here but I am generally attracted to the Mediterranean look.

I like this part of Europe due to non-pussy-related factors and can see myself living in the area long-term.

But some I also see some disadvantages like herd mentality, emphasis on the time-consuming cultivation of established social circles which are a nuisance for a slightly introverted, individualistic type of RVFer.

Growing influence of feminism is concerning. Recently, a well-mannered gentleman I am, I opened a door for a girl. I was bashed for my courtesy and accused of machismo.

So…

Is data in the map truth or BS?

Which are the factors important to game effectively in the area compared to Anglosphere game? Is there any puzzle I am missing?

Or...

I would just be better working my ass off to become location independent and/or move to Asia?

I would highly appreciate the input of natives or men with experience in the area.
That is out of date. Nowadays spanish girls are really promiscuous, only if you are a premium chad ofc. If you find a girl of 20 years old with a cock count below 10, let me know Wink
Is that Lebanon painted red? Idea
Why Asia? Why not Latin America? I know you have had great experiences of living there from your posts
You want a LTR but then you mention MILFS, it doesn't add up. In any case, Spanish girls over 30 hit the wall hard. Feminism is already destroying the young generation with tattoos, piercings and horrible (or should I say non-existent) fashion sense. Obesity is not as bad as in North America but the girls are generally out of shape. They also have a tendency to smoke and the constant exposure to the sun is aging them faster than what I'm seeing in the colder climates.

It doesn't help that the country has some of the worst anti-male laws in the West. Check out this link for a better explanation:

http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gen...ainst-men/

Don't expect any 1st amendment like in the US. You have no right to film the police, in fact you will be thrown in jail for doing that. Your wife can call the cops on you at any time and have you arrested just by screaming "rape" and there's no way you'll be able to defend yourself. Pray that your lawyer is not on vacation in Ibiza.

Anyway, in terms of game Spanish girls like Americans or Canadians. You can definitely do solo game by playing the foreigner card, you just need to learn some Spanish because their English is usually poor. The problem is that 8s and even 7s are rare. If you've lived in countries with an abundance of hot girls, you will experience a culture shock in Spain. I would also add that the the guys are super thirsty compared to let's say Eastern Europe so you'll be facing a lot of cock blocking and high bitch shields. If you're decently successful you get a lot of hate from the locals, probably because of leftist/socialist indoctrination.
The data is probably somewhat true, but the notches are all higher except for Albania, but good luck with that.

Still - it's probably still correct for Italy - though getting a young Italian girl as a real marriage prospect with the strong familial bonds they have is no easy feat. Best start learning Italian while being a White bloke. They accept you easily enough though if you speak Italian - this is my experience.

It's no coincidence that Pewdipie's fiancee is half-Italian, had zero social media when he met her while she was around 18 and she is still a rather innocent family-minded girl. Though of course - buyer beware. Girls who want to ride the carousel in Italy can reach 1000+ notches fast.

I doubt whether the data from Spain is even relevant now except in some regions. My estimate is that Italy is the best country for wife-material girls, but you gotta take into account that you marry her family/country/mentality on top of that - you gotta like that as well. They are much closer than if you went for an Anglo, Scandinavian or even EE girl.
i love how israels painted red haha
France 8-12 partners on average? Yeah right... Since when self-reported data from female regarding sex partners are ever accurate?

Regarding the matter itself, it's a catch 22. Countries where girls are more LTR oriented are also countries where social circles, cultures and traditions are very strong and often necessary to get a good girl. If you don't speak the language or have extensive connection there I don't see how you can just waltz into Italy or Crete and marry a young girl there.

Asia is better due to the white god factor.
Do not forget that divorce rate and cheating rates in Italy are some of the highest in Europe even among married couples and the quality is not high .

Spanish girls on the other hand are getting uglier and tattooed all over the place and also becoming sluttier every day.

You have to reconsider your plans.
Sweden, Ireland, Belgium and Israel with 12+ on average?

Wtf
Southern Europe girls are the worst in Europe looks wise. They are really nothing special to deserve a thread. Not only that but they are full of shit and stereotypes, old ideas, reserved, not feminine, stupid and smoke a lot.
I'd rather die alone than get a girl from Southern Europe.
(09-11-2018 03:03 PM)Rocha Wrote: [ -> ]Is that Lebanon painted red? Idea

Thats Israel Angel
(09-11-2018 03:23 PM)Pointer Wrote: [ -> ]You want a LTR but then you mention MILFS, it doesn't add up. In any case, Spanish girls over 30 hit the wall hard. Feminism is already destroying the young generation with tattoos, piercings and horrible (or should I say non-existent) fashion sense. Obesity is not as bad as in North America but the girls are generally out of shape. They also have a tendency to smoke and the constant exposure to the sun is aging them faster than what I'm seeing in the colder climates.

It doesn't help that the country has some of the worst anti-male laws in the West. Check out this link for a better explanation:

http://kukuruyo.com/2016/02/17/spain-gen...ainst-men/

Don't expect any 1st amendment like in the US. You have no right to film the police, in fact you will be thrown in jail for doing that. Your wife can call the cops on you at any time and have you arrested just by screaming "rape" and there's no way you'll be able to defend yourself. Pray that your lawyer is not on vacation in Ibiza.

Anyway, in terms of game Spanish girls like Americans or Canadians. You can definitely do solo game by playing the foreigner card, you just need to learn some Spanish because their English is usually poor. The problem is that 8s and even 7s are rare. If you've lived in countries with an abundance of hot girls, you will experience a culture shock in Spain. I would also add that the the guys are super thirsty compared to let's say Eastern Europe so you'll be facing a lot of cock blocking and high bitch shields. If you're decently successful you get a lot of hate from the locals, probably because of leftist/socialist indoctrination.

I mentioned MILFs due to the fact that some of them actually age well IMHO which is the case if deciding for serious LTR. It is true that majority hit the wall fast though.

Walking around the city, it is easy to spot feminism, just looking at some women and graffiti tags.

I speak Spanish fluently so no issue here.

Thirst confirmed. While some Spaniards are cool, laid-back dudes, others are cockblocking heavily or having a passive-aggressive attitude towards a guiri like me. Moreover, I experienced a case of white-knighting when a dude asked the girl what was the matter of our argument. After listening to her story he concluded it was micromachismo lol

(09-11-2018 06:09 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote: [ -> ]Still - it's probably still correct for Italy - though getting a young Italian girl as a real marriage prospect with the strong familial bonds they have is no easy feat. Best start learning Italian while being a White bloke. They accept you easily enough though if you speak Italian - this is my experience.

I doubt whether the data from Spain is even relevant now except in some regions. My estimate is that Italy is the best country for wife-material girls, but you gotta take into account that you marry her family/country/mentality on top of that - you gotta like that as well. They are much closer than if you went for an Anglo, Scandinavian or even EE girl.

From my experience, Italian girls tended to have more of an intelligent/sophisticated/considerate vibe about them than the Spanish. I found Sicilians to be surprisingly attractive.

(09-12-2018 04:13 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the matter itself, it's a catch 22. Countries where girls are more LTR oriented are also countries where social circles, cultures and traditions are very strong and often necessary to get a good girl. If you don't speak the language or have extensive connection there I don't see how you can just waltz into Italy or Crete and marry a young girl there.

Asia is better due to the white god factor.

As I am in Spain I would rather not change one Southern European country where I speak the languague for another one.

It seems like an arduous task to make and cultivate lasting connections with locals in those countries. Kinda pain in the ass.

Eventually going to Asia sounds like an idea after all.



Perhaps I did not make myself completely clear.

I come from a CEE country with fairly attractive, warm and pleasant girls. I would have no problem to come back, getting into LTR if I wanted to.

But.

Being blonde myself, I am simply not into blondes and I am craving novelty. I am attracted mostly to the swarthy type of latinas/middle eastern and Mediterranean women. I like the looks of SEA, East Asia and some parts of black Africa too.

On the other hand, I highly appreciate living on the med for various reasons.

It looks like the best idea would be to import an Asian girl to some rural paradise in Spain after X years. Blush
Southern European girls I've met had the LOWEST notches ever.... Plenty of virgins too. Let's not corrupt them Big Grin

Also real Mediterranean beauties.
What about Greek and Cypriot cnuts?
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