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The night wasn't going well. It was St. Patrick's Day 2017 in New York City and after an ill-advised trip to Times Square, my friends and me were back at my apartment in Murray Hill. It was 2AM. Two hours until closing time. We decided to hit a dive bar around the corner. I knew it would be nothing special.

I wanted to make the night interesting, so I grabbed my MAGA hat and wore it out in NYC for the first time. That decision changed the course of my life. Insults were hurled my way by several drunk strangers, but I didn't flinch. A couple of guys quietly showed their respect for my courage. A girl approached me and started dancing with me, clearly liking the vibe I was giving off. But she was only a 6, so I extricated myself after ten minutes.

Five minutes later, I caught a 7.5 staring at me with the Bambi eyes. She had been watching me for a while and was mesmerized. I was in the midst of a three month dry spell. Thirty minutes after meeting her, my dry spell was over.

At this point in time, I was roughly three years out of college and two years into my career. My first job was as an accountant for a bank. My second job, and my job as of March 2017, was as a financial analyst at a marketing company. I felt like the life was being sucked out of me. My corporate life largely consisted of asking for permission, making excuses, and apologizing. The work at both jobs was very mundane, rarely stimulating. I was an easily replaceable cog and was treated as such. Liberal coworkers in neighboring cubicles gleefully traded stories of victimhood to pass the days. I mostly avoided socializing around the office to lower the chances of being outed as a Trump supporter. When asked about my political views, I talked about trying not to worry about things outside of my control.

It was Sunday night. Two days after that St. Patrick's day. A day in which I felt an energy and enthusiasm for life for the first time in a long time. No way I was going to work that week, but I stopped short of quitting on the spot. I told my boss I had the flu and took the week off to unplug and start to consider my options. Over the next month and a half, I hatched the plan to quit my job and go to Southeast Asia. I gave my notice in May and was a free man by June. After a nice jobless summer in New York, I was off to Bangkok in early September.

As I type this now from my airbnb in Saigon, it's been 13 months since I first set foot in Southeast Asia. Nine of those months have been spent in SEA, with December 2017 through March 2018 being spent living with my parents in New York. It's been a hell of a ride. Amazing experiences. Exposure to different ideas and cultures. Sex with more girls in the last year than in the first 25 years of my life. And the adoption of a no excuses, no apologies mentality.

I'm set financially for a while due to the decent salary I made in New York, combined with the saving and budgeting skills that I've employed over the years. I'm exploring various opportunities and learning new skills. It would be ideal if I could create a long term location independent lifestyle, but I haven't ruled out a return to a US city. If I work for another corporation, I need to be someone with a valuable skillset. Hard to replace. That's the only way to command respect, and have a reasonable amount of autonomy.

I've made major strides in my development as a man over the last year and a half. But, it's a never ending process, and there are always areas for improvement. I'm trying to be the best I can be. And trying to make that best better over time.
Well done sir!
How old are you and whats your budget?
(10-09-2018 03:32 AM)pk9090 Wrote: [ -> ]How old are you and whats your budget?

I'm 26 and my budget is $1300 a month (give or take). Since I returned to SEA 6 months ago, I've alternated between living in Saigon and traveling around SEA.
What did you do in the marketing company and the bank?

FP&A (financial planning and analysis?) or more regular month end accounts production?

Have you thought about going to do more financial analysis work, (which would be more interesting than pure accounting) ? Maybe you could move into corporate finance? or work in a consulting capacity for finance work?

or is it New York that you didn't like?
Congratulations you made the leap, spending your 20s in SEA is kind of a waste though if you ask me.
(10-09-2018 05:09 AM)worldtraveler3 Wrote: [ -> ]What did you do in the marketing company and the bank?

FP&A (financial planning and analysis?) or more regular month end accounts production?

Have you thought about going to do more financial analysis work, (which would be more interesting than pure accounting) ? Maybe you could move into corporate finance? or work in a consulting capacity for finance work?

or is it New York that you didn't like?

I worked as a fund accountant at the bank and as an FP&A analyst at the marketing company. I never intended to spend a long time in accounting - it was simply a means to an end to get a more attractive second job. The work was more interesting at the FP&A job - the problem was that the company had very archaic systems in place. Too much of my days involved chasing invoices and manually manipulating data. Yes, I could find a better job which minimizes the issues posed by the previous one. But, I think that would still be far from ideal for me.

I've developed an interest in sales and persuasion over the last couple of years. And that's the direction I see my career going. I'm looking into freelance copywriting now, and CRE brokerage looms as an option if I ever settle back into a US city.

New York has a lot of positive attributes. Amazing restaurants and nightlife. Tons of beautiful women. Extraordinary art museums. But, I didn't enjoy sharing a tiny two bedroom apartment with a friend. Or knowing that the vast majority of my home city would want to kill me if they knew my political views. And as beautiful as the women are in New York, it's hard to find a meaningful relationship there (short or long term).

I haven't given much thought to where I'll go in the future. I like it in SEA right now and could see myself staying here for a while. Eventually returning to the US or going to another region of the world are also possibilities.
Interesting post, enjoyed the read. Well done.

Where did you find and fuck these girls? Night game? Online? Daygame?

Did you ever feel lonely being away from everyone you knew at home?

Why did you choose SEA and where do you plan on going next?
excellent reporting. WHy do you choose to base up in HCMC? those viet girls are deff cute -how is the insane pullution treating you in the capital city? I think I couldnt handle it for a long time
(10-09-2018 10:02 AM)lifecrisis Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting post, enjoyed the read. Well done.

Where did you find and fuck these girls? Night game? Online? Daygame?

Did you ever feel lonely being away from everyone you knew at home?

Why did you choose SEA and where do you plan on going next?

I've mostly used online game. I've gotten good quality from it in Saigon, and it filters for the English speakers and girls looking for FWBs. Online is very useful because most girls in Saigon don't check both of those boxes.

Sometimes I feel lonely. I've met some guys in SEA who would make good friends. But most people are on the move, so it's tough to form lasting friendships. My friends in New York are mostly blue pill, so even if they were nearby, we wouldn't be as close as we were a couple of years ago. I'd like to create more deep friendships in SEA.

I chose SEA for the low cost of living, the women, friendly locals, beautiful beaches and temples, and prevalence of English speakers. South America, Eastern Europe, and a return to the US are all future possibilities.

(10-09-2018 10:11 AM)I_luh_durian Wrote: [ -> ]excellent reporting. WHy do you choose to base up in HCMC? those viet girls are deff cute -how is the insane pullution treating you in the capital city? I think I couldnt handle it for a long time

Like I said, Saigon has a high quantity of women that speak English and are open to FWB arrangements. There's a large expat population and enough English speaking locals to form friendships. I love Da Nang, but it would be a challenge to date and make friends there. Learning Vietnamese would alleviate that problem - it's something I should really spend more time doing.

The pollution is bad, but it hasn't become a deal breaker - yet. I alternate between living in Saigon and traveling, so I experience the outdoors when I travel. And in Saigon, I don't mind spending most of my days in my apartment, coffee shops, restaurants, and the gym.
Welcome to the forum ATW, looking forward to seeing where this journey takes you.
(10-08-2018 11:50 PM)DarkTriad Wrote: [ -> ]Well done sir!

Thanks!

(10-09-2018 06:09 AM)atlant Wrote: [ -> ]Congratulations you made the leap, spending your 20s in SEA is kind of a waste though if you ask me.

Why do you think it's a waste?

(10-09-2018 01:00 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote: [ -> ]Welcome to the forum ATW, looking forward to seeing where this journey takes you.

Thanks, happy to be a member of the community.
(10-09-2018 01:23 PM)ATW in 80 Days Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 06:09 AM)atlant Wrote: [ -> ]Congratulations you made the leap, spending your 20s in SEA is kind of a waste though if you ask me.

Why do you think it's a waste?

You will be able to "cash in your chips", so to speak, as a Westerner in SEA well into your 30s and even your 40s if you take care of yourself, and secure access to quality young women there. Besides, even older Asian women in their 30s can be petite and slim.

The same can more or less be said of (parts of) LatAm, albeit to a lesser extent. And Latinas (as much as I love them!) don't age as well as their Asian sisters, so it's best to catch 'em young, which you can do quite a bit more easily now than when you get older.

In Europe generally there isn't as much of a status boost to be gained from being American and less of an acceptance of big age gaps. Furthermore, they tend to age the least well - I would say 20s is their absolute peak for sure among the 3 groups I've discussed so far.

From a gaming and best-use-of-time perspective, therefore, your 20s should be spent in Europe/Eastern Europe while the getting is easiest.

SEA will always be viable even when you're older, and same (somewhat) for LatAm.
Cool story bro! South East Asia sounds pretty cool. The culture and people there are just awesome.
This is fucking inspirational! I'm about to take on a very similar journey. I'm also from NYC, 10 years older than you, but pass for 28 easily and act about 25, so I expect this trip to be highly entertaining.

My plan is to live out of a different city in SE Asia for 3 months every year (basically spend the shitty NYC winters there). I own a company that I hope to be able to run remotely for a few months out of the year. Bangkok is where i'm starting out, but I plan to spend at least a couple weeks exploring other locations to see where i'd prefer to stay next year. Also I feel you on the political comment lol.
(10-09-2018 01:34 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 01:23 PM)ATW in 80 Days Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 06:09 AM)atlant Wrote: [ -> ]Congratulations you made the leap, spending your 20s in SEA is kind of a waste though if you ask me.

Why do you think it's a waste?

You will be able to "cash in your chips", so to speak, as a Westerner in SEA well into your 30s and even your 40s if you take care of yourself, and secure access to quality young women there. Besides, even older Asian women in their 30s can be petite and slim.

The same can more or less be said of (parts of) LatAm, albeit to a lesser extent. And Latinas (as much as I love them!) don't age as well as their Asian sisters, so it's best to catch 'em young, which you can do quite a bit more easily now than when you get older.

In Europe generally there isn't as much of a status boost to be gained from being American and less of an acceptance of big age gaps. Furthermore, they tend to age the least well - I would say 20s is their absolute peak for sure among the 3 groups I've discussed so far.

From a gaming and best-use-of-time perspective, therefore, your 20s should be spent in Europe/Eastern Europe while the getting is easiest.

SEA will always be viable even when you're older, and same (somewhat) for LatAm.

Yes, I agree that it's better to leave Asia to an older age unless you're really into Asians.
(10-09-2018 05:26 PM)Padrino Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 01:34 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 01:23 PM)ATW in 80 Days Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 06:09 AM)atlant Wrote: [ -> ]Congratulations you made the leap, spending your 20s in SEA is kind of a waste though if you ask me.

Why do you think it's a waste?

You will be able to "cash in your chips", so to speak, as a Westerner in SEA well into your 30s and even your 40s if you take care of yourself, and secure access to quality young women there. Besides, even older Asian women in their 30s can be petite and slim.

The same can more or less be said of (parts of) LatAm, albeit to a lesser extent. And Latinas (as much as I love them!) don't age as well as their Asian sisters, so it's best to catch 'em young, which you can do quite a bit more easily now than when you get older.

In Europe generally there isn't as much of a status boost to be gained from being American and less of an acceptance of big age gaps. Furthermore, they tend to age the least well - I would say 20s is their absolute peak for sure among the 3 groups I've discussed so far.

From a gaming and best-use-of-time perspective, therefore, your 20s should be spent in Europe/Eastern Europe while the getting is easiest.

SEA will always be viable even when you're older, and same (somewhat) for LatAm.

Yes, I agree that it's better to leave Asia to an older age unless you're really into Asians.

First off --- congratulations ATW, on successfully changing your life for the better.

Regarding the idea of 'saving' destinations, I would disagree with that.

After 2.5 years traveling (spending a few months in a place at a time, and often ~9 months away before returning), I've realized that it isn't possible to "get a city on lock" with that type of lifestyle. Similarly, no matter how close to a pussy paradise a place is, guys who take time to invest in their social circles in a city will do miles better than those just passing through for a few months.

Recent forum examples of short-term travelers struggling:

Is banging 5s the usual outcome of short term traveling?

What it really takes to bang a 7 when traveling?

Examples of guys with their "city on lock":

Irish in Jakarta (& Singapore)

Lucky Luke in Barcelona

Tully Mars in Bogota

Suits in Beijing

Akwesi in Accra

(formerly) WanderingSoul AKA RioNomad in Bangkok

(ignoble member) Christian McQueen in Las Vegas

(Who else did I forget?)

All these guys had strong game to begin with (and thus would do well traveling anyway), but because they ended up staying in 1 place for a long time they built an "asset" in the form of their social capital in that city, such that their results blow any non-celebrity passerby-s results out of the water. Not mention becoming fluent in the language (if it differs from their native one).

Personally, I know a guy in Bangkok (fluent in Thai) and another guy in Medellin (fluent in Spanish), both of who have lived in their respective cities for 3+ years and now have an awesome life setup for themselves that is outside of the reach of a short-term traveler.

If you want SEA to be "your spot" (whether Saigon, Bangkok, KL, Jakarta) then I highly recommend living there year round as soon as possible and taking only max 1-to-3 month trips away at a time. Invest in building relationships, knowledge & language skills in the city of your choice and reap the dividends in a few years time.

With that said --- the exploratory phase definitely shouldn't be skipped either (for those who are truly location independent), and it definitely takes a couple of years for a man to determine what his ideal pussy paradise destination actually is. It's tough to find a place that really fits with you, and reading datasheets only gets you so far before you need your own boots-on-the-ground experience to really know if you'll click with a place.

As I mentioned, I personally am ~2.5 years in, ~20 countries in, and am planning to settle down in a particular city in 2019 (year lease, limiting myself to shorter trips away, round trip tickets instead of one way, etc).

To me, I'd rather spend the next 2.5 years building assets in my social life, instead of playing on repeat the last 2.5 years, just with slightly different scenery and slightly different people in another 20 countries.

Thoughts?
(10-09-2018 02:21 PM)Busybee22 Wrote: [ -> ]Cool story bro! South East Asia sounds pretty cool. The culture and people there are just awesome.

Saigon is a pussy paradise, I've been living in SE Asia for nearly 10 years now, but get approached more in Vietnam than anywhere else.
My game is sitting quietly reading a book (or tablet), I've been approached many times in September 23 park, my local restaurant ( I actually took the waitress home with me), Highlands coffee, several bars, and even my hotel breakfast cook had a go.

But at age 60, I don't bother so much these days, but it's still nice to be asked.
The waitress was nice.
(10-10-2018 12:09 AM)John Dodds Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 02:21 PM)Busybee22 Wrote: [ -> ]Cool story bro! South East Asia sounds pretty cool. The culture and people there are just awesome.

Saigon is a pussy paradise, I've been living in SE Asia for nearly 10 years now, but get approached more in Vietnam than anywhere else.
My game is sitting quietly reading a book (or tablet), I've been approached many times in September 23 park, my local restaurant ( I actually took the waitress home with me), Highlands coffee, several bars, and even my hotel breakfast cook had a go.

But at age 60, I don't bother so much these days, but it's still nice to be asked.
The waitress was nice.

Damn. Nice work.
@roadto100

I totally concur. I’m in SEA Asia now dissing it out for long-term poosy paradise potential. Been all over Europe and South America too. I am getting weary of the moving around checking places out, I truly believe getting a good feel for a place and making a “go” of it is essential to a guys well being. After all, social connections, not being lonely/isolated and learning are key stones to a man’s well being (aside from the obvious things).
(10-10-2018 12:09 AM)John Dodds Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-09-2018 02:21 PM)Busybee22 Wrote: [ -> ]Cool story bro! South East Asia sounds pretty cool. The culture and people there are just awesome.

Saigon is a pussy paradise, I've been living in SE Asia for nearly 10 years now, but get approached more in Vietnam than anywhere else.
My game is sitting quietly reading a book (or tablet), I've been approached many times in September 23 park, my local restaurant ( I actually took the waitress home with me), Highlands coffee, several bars, and even my hotel breakfast cook had a go.

But at age 60, I don't bother so much these days, but it's still nice to be asked.
The waitress was nice.

Looks like you're the new Tenderman100!
I don't believe in saving destinations or going to specific destinations when I'm in certain age ranges to maximize expected success with girls, whatever that looks like. I am attracted to Asian girls, but that's not the top reason why I came to SEA. I'm not here because I need or want easier women. I'm here primarily because it's a nice region with a great infrastructure to travel around, and the low cost of living buys me time to focus on growing as a man, learning new skills, and setting myself up for the future.

As I said in my OP, I try to be the best I can be and make that better over time. In all aspects of life. So while I'm 26 now, I don't plan on being unable to do well with girls in South America, Eastern Europe, or the US at 36... Or 46.
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