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Busan, South Korea

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Overview

Busan is the second largest city in Korea with a population of around 4 mil and is one of the largest port cities in the world. It is on the coast nestled between the beach and the mountains. The city itself is pretty spread out. Good thing is there is a great subway that carries you to all these places along with a good bus system. The main area is Haeundae Beach which gets SLAMMED during the summer. Busan experiences 4 seasons. It gets cold in the winter and hot in the summer so keep that im mind when visiting. Tons of westerners living and working in Busan. At some bars you will think college town USA.

The Girls

Compared to South America, the girls here are depressing. What i mean by that is the number and % of girls that are hb8 + is really low. Most girls are hb4's. Good thing is there is so many people that you can find hot chicks if you look hard enough. The quality jumps up SUBSTANTIALLY at night, and I love all the skits and dresses these girls wear. Finding them will be the least of your problems. Gaming them is where shit gets tricky. South Korea is a very homogeneous society. Being white or black has no DHV here so you will have to work for what you get. K-Girls give zero IOI's for the most part. Eye contact is considered rude here. I think you have to play the numbers game and just not give a shit to succeed here. If you are someone that likes the females to make shit obvious and come to you than you will find the going tough out and and will have to adapt to survive.

Side Trips / Tourist Attractions

South Korea is not very big so your only a few hours on a train away from most everything. Most things on the itinerary will include temples, parks, islands, and military stuff.

Seoul
JeJu Island
DMZ
Seoraksan National Park
Gyeongju
Gongju & Buyeo

Lodging

I have my own apartment to I dont have alot of specific suggestions on this. However there is tons of hotels all over the place in every price range. Id advise staying in walking distance of the party zones and a subway station.

Things to Do & See

Busan has a number of things to see and do in the city. The beaches are pretty popular but get mad crowded in the summer. The coolest things to see imo are the Mountain Temples with the wicked views. Also if shopping is your thing be sure to check out the Nampo Markets and the mega shopping mall Shinsegae. There is two casinos to hit up if gambling is your thing. There is not NL Holdem games so that is a major drag. Also the spa's are pretty cool. I not big on museums but there is a few to check out. Also if you like professional sporting events Busan has 3 teams to entertain you.

Jalgachi Fish Market
Sports Complex
Paradise Casino Busan
Seven Luck Casino
Aquarium @ Haeundae Beach
Haeundae Beach
Songjeong Beach Taejongdae
Museum of Metropolitan Art
Busan Marine Natural History Museum
Bokcheon-dong Museum
Busan Museum
Ice Skating @ Shinsegae
Hur Shim Chung Spa - Oncheonjeong
Spa World at Shinsegae - Centum City (Haeundae)
Busan Tower
Shinsegae - largest department store in the world
Gwangan-li Beach
Beomosa - Korean Temple in the Mountains
Geumyeonsan - the peak behind Gwangan beach (great 360 views)
Nampodong - great open markets and huge underground market
Yonggung-sa Temple - water temple north of Songjeon Beach - beautiful spot
Dadaepo Beach
Lotte Giants Baseball Game
Busan KT Sonicboom Basketball Game
Busan I'Park Soccer Game
Song Jeong Beach
Yongdusan Park
Geumjeong Mtn. Fortress
International Film Festival in the Fall
Museum of Modern Art
Chungryeolsa Shrine
Nakdong River Estuary Migratory Bird Sanctuary

Daygame Spots

With how the Kgirls are daygaming here is TOUGH. You will scare a girl if you cold approach her on the street lol. The best place to day game is at the Universities handsdown. I live near PNU and go play basketball there and have chatted up some girls and received a few IOI's. Nothing major though but its ALOT more than the zero IOI's I get when walking around or shopping ect. The beaches would be my second choice; Haeundae and Gwangan-li Beach. Another strategy is going back to a place of employment and building comfort. Like I said I would not advise cold approaching Kgirls in most situations. Universities are you best bet as alot of the girls have lived outside of Korea and are more westernized.

Pusan National University (PNU)
Kyungsung University (KSU)
Pukyong National University
Haeundae Beach
Gwangan-li Beach
Lotte Marts - really large malls in the bigger commercial areas
Shinsegae

Nightlife

The best thing about Busan, is that there is something going on every night. The nightlife is concentrated in primarily 4 areas. The PNU area around where i live has mainly just bars to hit up which isnt good for me because I prefer the club scene. KSU and Seomyeon are good with a mix of good bars and clubs to hit up. Haeundae Beach is where you will find your big house clubs. Not on par with the above four but Gwangan-li Beach has some decent ocean front bars and lounges with good views of the Gwangan Bridge at night. I personally like Seomyean the best so far. Haeundae and KSU have to many westerns guys walking around for my liking. Gaming Kgirls is not easy so and the number of girls that like western dudes is small so the less competition the better.

Haeundae Beach

I love the scene here at night. Long boardwalk. People chilling everywhere. Lots of high end clubs. Im surprised there isnt any good hiphop clubs here.

Club Elune - Busan's main attraction. Nice house club attached to Paradise Hotel that gets international DJ's.

Maktum - Similar to Club Elune, this is a another big house club. Lots of western guys go here. They will provide you with good entertainment throughout the night on how not to pick up Kgirls. Im not that big on house music but the DJ here plays a good mix of hiphop & top 40 also. Favorite club in Haeundae.

Murpii Bar - Another upscale house club like Elune and Maktum. Havent been here yet but it has been around for a longtime so im assuming it draws a good crowd.

Fuzzy Navel - Decent place with a dance floor and pool table.

Miami88 - Has two locations and is a pretty chill lounge playing hiphop and top 40. Took a girl here last week.

Rock n Roll House - If your the rocker type this place is for you. It is on the 14th floor of the SeaStar Building. Cheap drinks and lively crowd. Place has a pool table which I like. Mostly western people at this bar. Almost looks like a bar in the US if it wasnt for the handful of Koreans there.

Neo StarFace - Salsa lessons during the week.

Pale de CZ - This is not a club, it is like an area with many bars and lounges down from Club Elune. Two levels if I remember correctly.

Thursday Party - Western bar chain found all over Busan. Many Koreans and foreigners go here for the wide beer selection and darts.

KSU

Probably the most popular place with the westerners. Esp the girls. Alot of underground venues here for the alternative crowd.

Blue Monkey - Cross between a lounge and a bar.

Club Fabric - Interesting place with cool brick layers for walls.

Club Realize - Alternative joint playing rock n roll, goth, metal, punk, thrash ect. Id imagine the girls here would be kind of easIER lol. Id have to survive the death on my ears though.

Ghetto - Thought this place was gonna be mainly hiphop but it is a kind of urban house scene. Good drink prices. Alot of young koreans go here. Not many westerners surprisingly.

Long T Bar - Good spot for $5 long islands and for playing a game of pool.

The New Foxy - Havent been here but it should be good if its like its counter part in Seomyeon. Great for hiphop!

Vinyl - Place to be if you like live music.

Seomyeon

The downtown area of Busan with a good mix of venues. Tons of Koreans go out here to party. There is one club that seem to be jumping that I forgot the name of right down the street from Foxy.

Club Foxy - This is my favorite club so far. Two stories. First floor is playing house, second floor is playing real hiphop and it has a lounge off to the side. On top of that there is also and seperate bar for siting away from the noise on the second floor also.

Champion Nightclub - Upscale club, dress to impress here.

Fuzzy Navel

Thursday Party

Metal City & Rock n Roll Bar - Im grouping these two together. Both play metal and have live music.

PNU

This is mainly just a bar scene area near the Pusan National University. So lots of college girls walking around.

Soul Train - Probably my favorite bar in PNU. Mostly westerners but the ratio is usually pretty good if you get there early. You can pick your own music from a computer which is pretty cool.

Crossroads - This bar is right above Soul Train

The Basement - Was here last weekend and it aint bar. It is abit small but it does have a lil dance floor and a pool table.

Someday - Not that great. But it is worth a quick walk to see if there is any talent in there. Won tons of shots playing darts here.

Gwangan-li

Cool laid back beach area lit up at night with the crazy lights of the Gwangan Bridge. One of my favorite spots in Busan.

Club 3f - House and techno joint

Enoch Mansion - This place plays a bit of everything. Alot of techno though.

Beach Bikini Bar

Fuzzy Navel

Thursday Party

Strip Clubs / P4P

There isnt any strip clubs to my knowledge in Busan. But they do have these things called booking / hostess clubs. Where men go to meet women and women go to meet men, although many are just there to get free drinks and shit. Bring a fat wallet to one of these places. Never know you might get lucky. As far as P4P goes there is an area dedicated just for that. The area is called Texas Street. It is comprised of Russian and SEA bar / whore houses. Been meaning to go check this area out but havent done it yet. Sounds like a fun time.

Final Thoughts

I love Busan the city. Has beautiful mountains and beaches. Good nightlife. Lots of stuff to do. Great transportation system. Good mix of westerners to boot. If you are planning on moving here Id highly suggest staying in Seomyeon because of its central location. (easy cheap taxi ride at night when the subway closes) If not Seomyeon that Haeundae or Gwangan-li Beach. Also I forgot to mention about the food, but be SURE to try some good Korean BBQ! It is not expensive and real good!

I am still kind of early in my year here so Ill be updating this thread as the year progresses and as I gain new and better intel.
Dash so you finally moved there..how is it going? How long you have been there? Hope everything is good.
Pitt,

Things are going alright. Asia really isnt my thing. SEA would be more to my liking. But ima try to make it work.

I talk in more detail on my Korean thread http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-5968-page-6.html
(10-18-2011 09:33 PM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]The Girls
Compared to South America, the girls here are depressing. What i mean by that is the number and % of girls that are hb8 + is really low. Most girls are hb4's.

I am in Seoul right now, and I tend to disagree. Maybe it is much different from Busan, but I'd say 80% of chicks here are attractive enough (think 5+), 50% of those are cute, and 20% of those are very attractive (8+). Of course it is ridiculous to compare those countries as you did - if your standards of beauty include "huge natural boobs" and phat Brazilian asses, you're definitely in a wrong country for that. Same for slim blue-eyed blondes with huge fake tits, don't go to Korea for that. They don't have it.

What they, however, have is girls who are feminine. They are cute, they dress up well, they are groomed-up, they are in shape and they do not behave in the same obnoxious way Western chicks do. They are polite with strangers but very reserved. If you ever gamed in Russia or the conservative part of Eastern Europe (Poland, Romania etc), this is basically the same.

Quote:Gaming them is where shit gets tricky. South Korea is a very homogeneous society. Being white or black has no DHV here so you will have to work for what you get.

My observations so far come from people watching and very few conversations with strangers, but I'd say being white indeed is DHV here comparing to Eastern Europe where it means nothing. Of course just being white won't bring you anywhere. This is not Thailand or Philippines, this is the first world country. Don't expect the girls to approach you and grab your dick just because you're white. They've seen white people before.

Quote:K-Girls give zero IOI's for the most part. Eye contact is considered rude here.

The first part is not true. They do give IOI, it is just very subtle - the culture says the girl is to be submissive and let the man to do his job. I talked to a few girls in subway, and IOI were definitely there. Don't expect Western-style IOIs when a chick grabs your hand, touches you playfully or otherwise behaves in some obnoxious non-feminine way. If she is there and listens to you, you can safely assume she is interested. Again, this is the same as in Russia.

The second part is semi-true. Staring is considered either rude or the sign of aggression (same as in Russia), so the way the girl shows the interest is by keeping here eye contact for a little longer than socially accepted. It may be extra half of seconds, but it is there and it is easy to spot. OTOH I spent 25 years in Russia doing just that, so for someone who got used to Western-style eye contact (which, by the way, still feels weird to me), it will take some time to practice.

There are few more things to add:

1. Phone system for visitors is kinda fucked up. While you can bring your GSM phone and it will kind of work in roaming (no SMS, no Internet but still a major upgrade since 2008!), you cannot just get local SIM card, put into your phone and expect it to work. And you cannot buy a local prepaid phone and use it. Your only option as a tourist is to rent a phone in the airport.

2. Everyone has free Internet on their phone, but voice/SMS is limited. Therefore everyone uses Internet for communication; KakaoTalk seem to be the most popular software.

3. English is not spoken as much as I believed it to be spoken. Even some business people who deal with foreigners often speak very little English, and rely on interpreters. However people do make an effort to understand you. I just drank some rice vodka in some very local joint with the bunch of Korean guys who didn't speak any English besides "Arnold Schwarzenegger", but we still had good time.

4. Korean is one of the most difficult languages in the world to learn, and if you plan to live there, you'll have to learn it. Even in Seoul as soon as you leave downtown a lot of places have no English menus and store personnel doesn't speak any English.

5. Seoul subway rocks. If you cannot ride it on your own, you'll never be able to ride any other subway. It was nominated the best subway in the world, and I'd second that.

6. Weather is bitch. NYC/Moscow type, very hot and humid July/Aug and very cold winter with snow. People say it gets colder here in Seoul than in NYC. Seeing how the people dress up I tend to agree.

7. I like the food, but if you're kind of person who just hates kimchi and fried red meat, you won't like it.

Other than that, this is very modern country, definitely the first world one. This is one of few countries I'd be able to live for some long time if not the language barrier.
(10-19-2011 08:27 AM)oldnemesis Wrote: [ -> ]I am in Seoul right now, and I tend to disagree. Maybe it is much different from Busan, but I'd say 80% of chicks here are attractive enough (think 5+), 50% of those are cute, and 20% of those are very attractive (8+). Of course it is ridiculous to compare those countries as you did - if your standards of beauty include "huge natural boobs" and phat Brazilian asses, you're definitely in a wrong country for that. Same for slim blue-eyed blondes with huge fake tits, don't go to Korea for that. They don't have it.

What they, however, have is girls who are feminine. They are cute, they dress up well, they are groomed-up, they are in shape and they do not behave in the same obnoxious way Western chicks do. They are polite with strangers but very reserved. If you ever gamed in Russia or the conservative part of Eastern Europe (Poland, Romania etc), this is basically the same.

We just have different scales and definitions of what looks good. I have a hard time believing 80% of the chicks are HB6+. Korea is known for its people having big ugly round domes, which is what ALOT of people in fact have. The hot ass chicks you see in the magazines and tv pale in comparison to all the other types percentage wise. The percentages get better a night though thank God. When I rate beauty the boobs and ass dont play a huge role in my rating. The face is what is gonna make up 85% of what rate the woman gets (this is if they are not fat or skinny). So my rating system is Universal and not race specific. Although I do believe that Seoul has hotter chicks than Busan. On top of more hot chicks the chicks are a bit more westernized and tons of Western hunters go to Itawon (sp?) Dont really have a place like that here in Busan.

Quote:My observations so far come from people watching and very few conversations with strangers, but I'd say being white indeed is DHV here comparing to Eastern Europe where it means nothing. Of course just being white won't bring you anywhere. This is not Thailand or Philippines, this is the first world country. Don't expect the girls to approach you and grab your dick just because you're white. They've seen white people before.

Ask anyone that has lived or knows about Korean culture. Korea is one of the most homogeneous countries on the planet. Id say at MAX only 20% of the females WANT a western and maybe 10% will actually date one and introduce them to their parents. Probably lower than that. Girls will get looked down upon with a western bf by other most other Koreans.

As far as im concerned you get NEGATIVE DHV for being a Westerner. And oddly enough they dislike the Korean Americans (Gympos) more!

Quote:The first part is not true. They do give IOI, it is just very subtle - the culture says the girl is to be submissive and let the man to do his job. I talked to a few girls in subway, and IOI were definitely there. Don't expect Western-style IOIs when a chick grabs your hand, touches you playfully or otherwise behaves in some obnoxious non-feminine way. If she is there and listens to you, you can safely assume she is interested. Again, this is the same as in Russia.

The IOI's im talking about are "pre" approach. If she is there and listens to you she is interested? These people are not the nicest people in the world but they are not mean and rude enough to ignore you and not give you their attention lol So like I said "pre approach" IOI's are non existent. Be prepared to cold approach like a muther fuker and get shut down ALOT until you hit the jackpot. And by jackpot I mean find a chick that is willing to go home with you that night.
oldnemesis, I am curious what you are doing in South Korea?
Hey Dash,

Great Data sheey again +1

Did you ever read my story on Busan ? Pretty funny one.

http://www.aroundtheworldin80girls.com/2...a-busan-2/
Neil,

Yea the Korean guy took you to a booking club if there was females there to "entertain" you or to chat with.

Good thing about Korea is the oldest person almost always pays for everything. So that means you will hardly ever pay if you go out with any older korean guys.

People play the hell out of some darts here lol.
(10-19-2011 11:49 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Neil,

Yea the Korean guy took you to a booking club if there was females there to "entertain" you or to chat with.

Good thing about Korea is the oldest person almost always pays for everything. So that means you will hardly ever pay if you go out with any older korean guys.

People play the hell out of some darts here lol.

I used to be a decent dartsplayer with my friends. But that was under the influence of weed not 75% johnny walker shots. I slept ON the bar that night.
Nice report, I was considering heading over to Korea in January to teach but I looked at the weather and it's far too cold for my liking at that time. Info is useful all the same incase I consider it later.
you blabbed on and on about the salsa bar all summer and now you are there and we haven't heard a word about it.

For lodging if you have an apartment what is the cost? size? do you have a roommate? typical cost of apartments over there?

thanks, good info on the bars.
(10-20-2011 08:29 AM)redneckpunk Wrote: [ -> ]you blabbed on and on about the salsa bar all summer and now you are there and we haven't heard a word about it.

For lodging if you have an apartment what is the cost? size? do you have a roommate? typical cost of apartments over there?

thanks, good info on the bars.

There is about 3 places to go for salsa. I havent been because I havent had anyone to roll wit me yet. I attempted to go alone 2 weeks ago but I pussed out. My dolo game isnt the best. lol

The school pays for the apartment. It is a studio apartment. Fairly new, not to small. Enough room for kitchen, desk, closet, twin bed, laundry room and bathroom.

But a room if you decide not to take the one they provide will cost anywhere from 300-1,000 bucks depending how big and nice you want it. Cheaper than 300 if find some roommates.
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(10-19-2011 09:18 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]We just have different scales and definitions of what looks good.

We learned it long time ago. Remember when you tried to push your standards of beauty which me and Athlone disagreed on? I'm too lazy to search for them, but I still remember those included "large breasts" and others things, some very subjective.

Quote:I have a hard time believing 80% of the chicks are HB6+. Korea is known for its people having big ugly round domes, which is what ALOT of people in fact have.

You don't have to believe into that, the whole scale is subjective. To me, for example, no Latina can be over 7 just because I'm not attracted to them. And Asian chick gets +1 immediately just for being Asian. However I recognize that different people have different standards, and this is why I say I find Mexican girls unattractive, not that they're fugly.

Quote:The hot ass chicks you see in the magazines and tv pale in comparison to all the other types percentage wise.

For the record, I do not watch TV at all and I don't see the magazines, and my opinion is based on personal observations.

Quote:The percentages get better a night though thank God. When I rate beauty the boobs and ass dont play a huge role in my rating. The face is what is gonna make up 85% of what rate the woman gets (this is if they are not fat or skinny). So my rating system is Universal and not race specific.

Even though it is pretty clear not everyone shares your "universal standards", you're still projecting. Why are you so insecure in your beliefs? To me my standards are the valid ones, and I don't care if anyone else shares them - but I'm not imposing my standards on others either.

Quote:Although I do believe that Seoul has hotter chicks than Busan. On top of more hot chicks the chicks are a bit more westernized and tons of Western hunters go to Itawon (sp?)

Itaewon was full of ugly white Western girls wearing flip-flops and Uggs. I spent there twenty minutes shopping for overpriced souvenirs, and hated every minute of it. It's a good place to remind you about the USA.

Quote:Ask anyone that has lived or knows about Korean culture. Korea is one of the most homogeneous countries on the planet. Id say at MAX only 20% of the females WANT a western and maybe 10% will actually date one and introduce them to their parents.

I actually talked to several mother-daughter couples in subway (as a disclaimer, this has been my niche for ages and I do very well in those situations), and they all were disappointed when I told them I was leaving so soon. In two cases they actually initiated the conversation when I studied the subway map, and one of them basically insisted that her daughter - a chick in early 20s - gave me her phone number, which I had to throw away.

I have also met several dudes who live in Korea for a while (mostly ex-military), and they all were married to Korean girls. Most white dudes I've seen in subway were accompanied by Asian girls as well. So in Seoul this is definitely not an issue. In smaller cities maybe.

Quote:Probably lower than that. Girls will get looked down upon with a western bf by other most other Koreans.

It depends on who the westerner is. I'm pretty sure the K-girl who dated George Clooney wouldn't be looked down upon. Neither would the one who dated a Samsung top executive. Status is significant in Asia. But I agree that hooking up with a broke middle-aged English teacher is not something a girl with any prospects would be happy to tell anyone about.

Quote:As far as im concerned you get NEGATIVE DHV for being a Westerner.

Maybe. Surprisingly I can resonate with that - being a Westerner chick is indeed a negative value for me as well. However I'm not a Westerner, and will likely never become one culture-wise.

Quote:The IOI's im talking about are "pre" approach. If she is there and listens to you she is interested? These people are not the nicest people in the world but they are not mean and rude enough to ignore you and not give you their attention lol

Yes, she is. As soon as she isn't interested, she'll find an excuse immediately. Now she won't tell you to fuck off or that you bored her, but she is not going to waste her time on you just because of politeness. At the same time, it looks like there is pretty much no Western-style hookup culture, and it indeed seem to work more like the Russian way - everyone gets together, gets drunk, goes fucking. Koreans drink a lot, girls too.
(10-19-2011 10:49 AM)OGNorCal707 Wrote: [ -> ]oldnemesis, I am curious what you are doing in South Korea?

Business. But I'm going back already. Everyone says the winter here really sucks.
(10-21-2011 08:50 AM)oldnemesis Wrote: [ -> ]We learned it long time ago. Remember when you tried to push your standards of beauty which me and Athlone disagreed on? I'm too lazy to search for them, but I still remember those included "large breasts" and others things, some very subjective.

Correct. Large breasts and other things are considered universally attractive. ie most men prefer women with decent sized melons. You can throw ass in there as well.

Quote:You don't have to believe into that, the whole scale is subjective. To me, for example, no Latina can be over 7 just because I'm not attracted to them. And Asian chick gets +1 immediately just for being Asian. However I recognize that different people have different standards, and this is why I say I find Mexican girls unattractive, not that they're fugly.

No latina can be over a hb7 to you?!? I just need to disregard everything you mention in regards to attractiveness and beauty on that note.

Quote:For the record, I do not watch TV at all and I don't see the magazines, and my opinion is based on personal observations.

Just look at the billboards, the TV screens that are every where and take a notice of how those korean women look. Then you can see and understand what an attractive korean woman looks like.

Quote:You are projecting, as usual. Even though it is pretty clear not everyone shares your "universal standards", you're still projecting. Why are you so insecure in your beliefs? To me my standards are the valid ones, and I don't care if anyone else shares them - but I'm not imposing my standards on others either.

Not insecure. I call it like I see. I dont care if anyone knows what attractiveness is or not. Actually better if they dont, then that means more fine bitches for me. You are confusing imposing with educating.

Quote:Itaewon was full of ugly white Western girls wearing flip-flops and Uggs. I spent there twenty minutes shopping for souvenirs, and hated every minute of it. It's a good place to remind you about the USA.

I was referring to Korean girls. The korean girls that party there are westernized and want to hang out and meet foreigners.

Quote:I have also met several dudes who live in Korea for a while (mostly ex-military), and they all were married to Korean girls. Most white dudes I've seen in subway were accompanied by Asian girls as well. So in Seoul this is definitely not an issue. In smaller cities maybe.

Seoul is a massive city. Every foreigner could have 3 korean girlfriends and the percentage of those girls to the total population would be tiny. Like I said Korea is one of the most homogeneous counties in the world. I was being generous when I said 20% of females WANTED westerners and would date / introduce them to their family.

Quote:It depends on who the westerner is. I'm pretty sure the K-girl who dated George Clooney wouldn't be looked down upon. But I agree that dating a broke middle-aged English teacher is not something a girl with any prospects would be happy with.

Koreans are big on blood-lines. Hence why Korean Americans are viewed as "tainted" and get a bad rap. This goes back to the homogeneous comment I made.

Quote:Maybe. Surprisingly I can resonate with that - being a Westerner is a negative value for me as well (they're typically associated with obnoxious drunk Brits). However I'm not a Westerner, and will likely never become one culture-wise.

You can add on how we act on top of the obvious differences and to the insane homogeneous patriotic "togetherness" that Koreans share.

Quote:Yes, she is. As soon as she isn't interested, she'll find an excuse immediately. Now she won't tell you to fuck off or that you bored her, but she is not going to waste her time on you just because of politeness. At the same time, it looks like there is pretty much no Western-style hookup culture, and it indeed seem to work more like the Russian way - everyone gets together, gets drunk, goes fucking. Koreans drink a lot, girls too.

So you know this girl and how she acts with strangers? You dont know her. So the only other explanation to you KNOWING she will "find an excuse immediately" and "she is not going to waste her time on you just because of politeness" is if you have a crystal ball or mind reading powers of which you have neither.

But hey, Im not gonna hate on your "she is talking / keeps talking to me so she must be interested theory"

To each his own.
Ill break down Korean Attractiveness for ya Oldnemesis

Here is some females notice the differences and similarities

Group A
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Did you notice any similarities between the first five? (cough cough big fat round faces) Lets continue..

Group B
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See any similarities in the second group? (cough cough slim stream lined faces)

Can you pick out the "more attractive" group? Group A or Group B?

It is Group B.

I dont care what anyone says Group B is the better looking group. If some idiot thinks Group A is better looking they dont know shit about "attractiveness".

This stuff is a science. It doesnt have jack shit to do with someone's "standards" or not.
Damn not to be mean, but those first two girls from "group A" are straight up busted.
(10-21-2011 11:40 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote: [ -> ]Damn not to be mean, but those first two girls from "group A" are straight up busted.

Ovcourse they are busted. lol

That is clear to any sane man. Regardless of anyones supposed "standards" or "preferences".

It was to show the point that there is a such thing as universal beauty that most men can see and understand.

Group B is the better looking group PERIOD. Whether or not a dude acknowledges / understands that is irrelevant and doesnt change the fact of the matter.
(10-21-2011 09:14 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Correct. Large breasts and other things are considered universally attractive. ie most men prefer women with decent sized melons. You can throw ass in there as well.

Wrong. As several people tried to tell you, there is no such thing as "universal standard". At max you can speculate that "most American men would prefer women with decent sized melons". And, surprisingly to you, the whole world consist of much more than just American men.

Quote:No latina can be over a hb7 to you?!? I just need to disregard everything you mention in regards to attractiveness and beauty on that note.

Yes, you may. It is obvious we have different standards. What is the difference between us, however, is that I recognize your right to have another standard, and I do not label it inferior. This is because I am secure in my beliefs, and your opinion about my standards doesn't bother me at all. You, however, seem to be very insecure in your beliefs, as you're getting incredibly pissed off every time someone disagrees with you standards. Think about it: what you did above is basically you tried to qualify yourself to me by referring that your standards are not just yours, but shared by some other people as well. But you know what? I don't give shit. Those are my standards, and I'm not going to change them just because someone doesn't like them.

Quote:Just look at the billboards, the TV screens that are every where and take a notice of how those korean women look. Then you can see and understand what an attractive korean woman looks like.

Well, using the same analogy you have then to agree that only the Latinas you see on TV and billboards are attractive. Otherwise you'd be using double standards. So while in South America did you only hang out with models?

Quote:Not insecure. I call it like I see. I dont care if anyone knows what attractiveness is or not.

Well, you do care. Otherwise you wouldn't start qualifying yourself and your standards. The "I am right because everyone else thinks like me" (typically presented as "everyone knows that") is a form of qualification - which also says that you don't have any real evidence on the subject.

Quote:Seoul is a massive city. Every foreigner could have 3 korean girlfriends and the percentage of those girls to the total population would be tiny. Like I said Korea is one of the most homogeneous counties in the world. I was being generous when I said 20% of females WANTED westerners and would date / introduce them to their family.

This may come as surprise to you, but I'd speculate even less that 20% of American females (or even Latinas) would be interested to date you, not to mention to introduce you to their family. But 20% is a great number. The population of Korea is around 50M, so this gives you a pool of 5M of females to choose from. Looks large enough for me.

Quote:Koreans are big on blood-lines. Hence why Korean Americans are viewed as "tainted" and get a bad rap. This goes back to the homogeneous comment I made.

Some are, some aren't. Note that even in America interracial marriages are quite rare (less than 5% from what I read), so this is not something unique to Korea.

Quote:You can add on how we act on top of the obvious differences and to the insane homogeneous patriotic "togetherness" that Koreans share.

Personally I felt more "at home" in Korea than I feel in the US. The culture you grow up has huge impact on your personality. Even after six years in US the American culture feels alien to me. I've studied it, and I'm tolerating it but I'll never be part of it.

Quote:So you know this girl and how she acts with strangers? You dont know her. So the only other explanation to you KNOWING she will "find an excuse immediately" and "she is not going to waste her time on you just because of politeness" is if you have a crystal ball or mind reading powers of which you have neither.

This information was there for the people who'd appreciate the advice. It wasn't there for you. You want to live in your mental constrains, this is your choice.
(10-21-2011 11:45 PM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Group B is the better looking group PERIOD. Whether or not a dude acknowledges / understands that is irrelevant and doesnt change the fact of the matter.

Yes, it is. And I don't really understand your point. What exactly are you trying to prove?
(10-22-2011 12:58 AM)oldnemesis Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-21-2011 11:45 PM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Group B is the better looking group PERIOD. Whether or not a dude acknowledges / understands that is irrelevant and doesnt change the fact of the matter.

Yes, it is. And I don't really understand your point. What exactly are you trying to prove?

Group B cant be the better looking group PERIOD if there wasnt "universal standards".

You said looks and attractiveness are subjective.

Well you cant agree with me and say Group B looks the best PERIOD end of discussion if looks were subjective and their wasnt a universal scale / standards.

Which one is it?
(10-22-2011 12:51 AM)oldnemesis Wrote: [ -> ]Wrong. As several people tried to tell you, there is no such thing as "universal standard". At max you can speculate that "most American men would prefer women with decent sized melons". And, surprisingly to you, the whole world consist of much more than just American men.

Sorry to break it you but there is a such thing as Universal Standards by race, and ethnicity. Yes different cultures and races and religions have different Universal Standards. The Universal Standards Im referring to 99% of the time is American / Western Universal Standards. Whether you acknowledge this or not is irrelevant.

Quote:Yes, you may. It is obvious we have different standards. What is the difference between us, however, is that I recognize your right to have another standard, and I do not label it inferior. This is because I am secure in my beliefs, and your opinion about my standards doesn't bother me at all. You, however, seem to be very insecure in your beliefs, as you're getting incredibly pissed off every time someone disagrees with you standards. Think about it: what you did above is basically you tried to qualify yourself to me by referring that your standards are not just yours, but shared by some other people as well. But you know what? I don't give shit. Those are my standards, and I'm not going to change them just because someone doesn't like them.

Dude if you aint seen a latina over hb7 than your are mentally handicap for better words. Sorry brah. That is one of the most dumbest things I have EVER heard in my life. Black chicks are at the bottom of my preference list, but I have seen plenty of fine black chicks. You need to expand your mind. Its far to limited right now.

Quote:Well, using the same analogy you have then to agree that only the Latinas you see on TV and billboards are attractive. Otherwise you'd be using double standards. So while in South America did you only hang out with models?

Yes, the latinas I see on tv in the movies and novelas are attractive. Why? Because people want to watch attractive women. I dont understand your last part. Did I only hang out with models? What does this have to do with how the women look on posters, billboards, and tv?

Quote:Well, you do care. Otherwise you wouldn't start qualifying yourself and your standards. The "I am right because everyone else thinks like me" (typically presented as "everyone knows that") is a form of qualification - which also says that you don't have any real evidence on the subject.

I dont care. You can think im "qualifying" myself to you all you want. I dont even know what the hell that means. I wouldnt even say I have standards. I just know what attractive women look like. Its real simple. My evidence is seen clearly seen around the world. The attractive women dominate the modeling scene, music scene, the acting scene ect.

Quote:This may come as surprise to you, but I'd speculate even less that 20% of American females (or even Latinas) would be interested to date you, not to mention to introduce you to their family. But 20% is a great number. The population of Korea is around 50M, so this gives you a pool of 5M of females to choose from. Looks large enough for me.

The problem is those 5mil are spread out and you dont have access to 90% of them. Dont let the numbers fool you. Go off the percentages. And the percentages say the 8 out of 10 females will not be interested in you. Good luck with those odds. Personally they look like shit to me. Why Ill be in Latin America soon.

Quote:Some are, some aren't. Note that even in America interracial marriages are quite rare (less than 5% from what I read), so this is not something unique to Korea.

No duh, sherlock. So i take it you agree with that comment. next.

Quote:Personally I felt more "at home" in Korea than I feel in the US. The culture you grow up has huge impact on your personality. Even after six years in US the American culture feels alien to me. I've studied it, and I'm tolerating it but I'll never be part of it.

I am happy for you. Korea culture blows ass to me. You should relocate here if you like it so much.

Quote:This information was there for the people who'd appreciate the advice. It wasn't there for you. You want to live in your mental constrains, this is your choice.

I dont many people are gonna be appreciating "she is talking to me, so she must be interested" advice. I could be wrong though.

BTW can you refute any of the rebuttal I made against that theory of yours? Particularly the KNOWING, CRYSTAL BALL, or MIND READING comments.
(10-22-2011 02:07 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to break it you but there is a such thing as Universal Standards by race, and ethnicity. Yes different cultures and races and religions have different Universal Standards. The Universal Standards Im referring to 99% of the time is American / Western Universal Standards. Whether you acknowledge this or not is irrelevant.

lol Ok, let me get this straight. Now you are saying there are multiple "universal" standards depending on race and culture. I thought a "universal" standard was a standard for everyone. Next you will be telling Old Nem about the "universal" standards that are different per county and city.

Quote:I just know what attractive women look like. Its real simple. My evidence is seen clearly seen around the world. The attractive women dominate the modeling scene, music scene, the acting scene ect.

I think we all are aware of your latina fetish. Yeah, it is a fetish.
(10-22-2011 02:21 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote: [ -> ]
(10-22-2011 02:07 AM)Dash Global Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry to break it you but there is a such thing as Universal Standards by race, and ethnicity. Yes different cultures and races and religions have different Universal Standards. The Universal Standards Im referring to 99% of the time is American / Western Universal Standards. Whether you acknowledge this or not is irrelevant.

lol Ok, let me get this straight. Now you are saying there are multiple "universal" standards depending on race and culture. I thought a "universal" standard was a standard for everyone. Next you will be telling Old Nem about the "universal" standards that are different per county and city.

Quote:I just know what attractive women look like. Its real simple. My evidence is seen clearly seen around the world. The attractive women dominate the modeling scene, music scene, the acting scene ect.

I think we all are aware of your latina fetish. Yeah, it is a fetish.

Yes. Would you like me to break out what different cultures, ethnicitys, and religions thinks look attractive? So you can see the difference?

Ill give you a quick example right now that pertains to my situation in Korea.

Paleness / whiteness is considered universally attractive here in Korea.

Paleness / whiteness is considered universally un-attractive in the US.
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