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AnonymousBosch,

I think that sharing your music gives you a possible point of failure for your seduction. It gives her something that she can say 'no' to - and consequently, to you.

I'm in your same boat, and I'm thinking that maybe the best thing to do is to just chill on the music tip with girls until they're way into me. Thoughts?

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(05-28-2015 06:37 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  These younger girls seem repulsed by someone being very, very good at what they do, and suffer narcissistic injury if they recognise someone might be more talented than them. I'm convinced they can't abide anyone's star shining more brightly than their own, and see me sharing my music as an attack on them.

I remember when I tried (very unsuccessfully) online dating a few years ago. When talking to overweight single mothers who were taking online classes from University of Phoenix, I would casually mention the well known brick and mortar Universities I had graduated from (big mistake I didn't realize at the time) and then receive total silence.

This isn't just limited to music. Most women in the developed world seem to legitimately want to get shacked up with losers who they feel better than. I'm also a musician and I know young girls really don't want to hear anything beyond what's popular at the moment, but I also think there's something deeper going on here about protecting their egos. They wouldn't be able to appreciate it even if you're a virtuoso, so you're probably better off not wasting your time. I know we've had a number of threads on here about hiding things like intelligence and high levels of skill, because it seems to actively repulse women.
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Relevant to girls wanting to be with losers:





"It's an attraction to the physical manifestation of complacency."
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Now the MGTOWs seem to be attacking my own video.

Quote:For Fuck Sake ... You are sooooooooooooo full of shit, everytime you open your mouth, Bullshit pours out. Link to...your vid torn apart as the pact of Lies it is ... You're a lying dickhead

This is the type of person that MGTOW attracts. Remember that. The video response to me was equally bitter, though more sophisticated. Full of snark that we'd associate with the left.

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MGTOWs brigade comment threads similar to SJW's.

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(05-29-2015 07:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  MGTOWs brigade comment threads similar to SJW's.

It's crazy to think how similar the comment threads are.

Aaron Clarey, (a.k.a. Captain Capitalism), noticed this about three months ago and said that MGTOWs should marry fat-acceptance feminists, because they're the same version of each other but in different genders.
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(05-26-2015 05:27 PM)Blaster Wrote:  
(05-25-2015 05:00 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
Quote:I think this is what Roosh means when he says that his Neomasculinity places less importance on the theory of evolution, but I'll wait and see what he has to say about the matter.

I'm prioritizing that article. I'll get it up in June.

It's very long, however. I want to give it proper treatment if I'm going to question a sacred cow.

Evolutionary Psychology is for mostly scientists. It's about understanding the big picture of human nature, not informing present-day masculinity.

The Theory of Evolution in general is pretty unassailable. I've never seen a direct critique that doesn't either fail at basic scientific understanding or demonstrate ignorance of supporting data and evidence. (Indirect critique, on the other hand, along the lines of "not useful to my day to day life" is another story).

Evolutionary Psychology in particular is useful to scientists as a framework for generating testable hypotheses. That individuals may design some bad experiments is not necessarily a fault of the framework itself.
I must be dumb as a box of rocks because I find it requires contortionist leaps of logic. Not that it's anyone's business but no if am not a fundamentalist Christian or a creationist. As for the issue at hand. Many years ago someone wrote that there would never be a coherent men's movement. The cultural Marxists have far more unity than we ever will. Concerning the criticism of Roosh I find two points especially vapid. Roosh the money grubber? This is crabs in a bucket syndrome at its worst. Let me say that if some day Roosh becomes a billionaire through his work then good for him. Charging 50 bucks for a seminar is hardly the way to get there. Secondly the idea that Roosh is not a good writer or does not pack an intellectual punch. Now if I was Roosh and obviously I'm not, that one would incense me and I don't know if I could ever forgive it. Roosh writes on a variety of topics, many that go untouched in the so called manosphere. The ones that brought my aging ass to his sites were his incisive commentaries on the cultural collapse of the west. As for the Neomasculinity vs MGTOW ideologically and philosophically I am much closer to what Roosh is putting out there. I have in all honesty if not defended, at least tried to understand those that say the hell with it and do a Sandman type of thing. I admit I don't like the idea of fighting each other but calling traditional men beta just doesn't cut it with me.
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Blaster Wrote:The Theory of Evolution in general is pretty unassailable.

I am gonna stand by that. While I don't know everything there is to know about evolution, I am quite confident with my position on this.

Quote:I must be dumb as a box of rocks because I find it requires contortionist leaps of logic.

I find it requires understanding the proper meaning of terms and rigorous understanding of scientific principles about what a theory is and isn't supposed to be. Understanding the nature of the evidence supporting the Theory of Evolution helps too. Requiring a long chain of logic to explain something isn't a problem so long as the premises are sound, the logic is not flawed, and the explanation is as simple as it can be while satisfying all the necessary criteria for a sufficient answer (this is what 'occam's razor' actually means, by the way).

Scientists really do use Evolution to generate testable hypotheses that yield real knowledge about life on this planet and its history. They are archaeologists, zoologists, and geneticists. They are doing research in universities, companies, and in the field. They're using evolution to guide searches for specific genes in DNA (including in humans). They are learning about diseases and developing drugs and crops. They're using it to understand simple species with short lifespans, like fruit flies, dutifully documenting and recording the knowledge in the hopes that one day, we will be able to better explain complex, longer-lived species like humans.

Evolution doesn't predict every single individual human behavior. It's not the answer for everything that is certain. There's bad science is out there, it should be criticized. There's also bad or sensational interpretations of good science, that should also be criticized. There are "evolutionists" with who spend a lot of time attacking and shaming creationists without really understanding the science they promote. They deserve criticism too. But the Theory of Evolution itself? No way.
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Relevant video from Obsidian regarding "beefs" in this corner of the web:





I for one support a more pragmatic and less "beefy" approach. Let reality determine whether an idea is a successful tool or not.

(Note that I'm not saying I'm an MRA - or any label for that matter)
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(05-22-2015 01:25 PM)kerouac Wrote:  Along the lines of what Basil said, I know plenty of "lurkers" who go on reddit to get their daily dose of internet funnies, but the average Redditer, who goes out of his way to call him/her/itself that looks more like this:

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No the average redactor looks like this.

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^^^Notice how the cutest women aren't showing their tits? And it's just the land whales attention whoring?

"Feminism is a trade union for ugly women"- Peregrine
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Y'all know what the core of this sort of attack is really about? Some folks are infuriated that a man such as Roosh has become one of the fortunate few to be able to turn his passion into a profession. The results of the trials he endured throughout his personal quest for exploration and self-improvement culminated into a monolith of successful experience. Ultimately, by tailoring this experience toward building a podium from where he felt sufficiently qualified to instruct others, Roosh took the gamble by committing himself full-time to his writings and research. Consequently, as we well know, he has garnered for himself a comfortable, but modest living.

To imply that such men are crass hucksters or profiteers strikes me as quite absurd. Everyone has to make $$$ off of something.
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WB r/RealAsians and r/r4r.

Would also prefer if hot girls also liked showing their boobs, just like fat girls.
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Im pretty late to the party, but I'm kind of disappointed in Rollo Tomasssi, I did not know he and Roosh had beef. In fact, the reason I'm here is because of Rollo, in his book the rational male he recommends Roosh V. I can understand the hate from the feminists and gays but I can not understand the hate within the community.
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I know this thread is old, but it looks like TRP and Rollo are jealous that Roosh is self employed and making money from his own writing whilst appearing on tv, while they're not.
Rollo did his own tour with three other men.
http://amanindemandseminar.com

Is he doing a money grab too? The hypocrite.
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I really don't understand this infighting among men who I'm assuming are supposed to reaching for similar goals. Sure our methods are different, but it doesn't mean we have to insult eachother like schoolchildren. There’s a much more stylish way to disagree with someone. Rollo mentioning Roosh in such a negative way in his twitter account and now in his latest October 14th post is just bad form and sour grapes.

I like Rollo and his blog. But I admire and respect Roosh much more.
Rollo's writing is quite academic in tone and I often find myself skipping passages cause his blog posts are often way too long.

When you talk too much about anything in one go (especially with women), you usually wind up eventually boring your listeners and your followers take away less than they would have, if you kept it short and to the point.

What attracted me to Roosh was his very practical descriptions of how to do things. Small but very effective ways to change things in yourself and start getting the results you wanted. Methods which came from direct experience. Methods which he described in a way that even a complete novice can follow if he decides he wants to put in the effort. Methods which work.

Rollo's writing is like an old philosopher musing in a castle tower, while Roosh talks like your smarter older brother who's looking out for you.
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(05-28-2015 08:48 PM)aphelion Wrote:  AnonymousBosch,

I think that sharing your music gives you a possible point of failure for your seduction. It gives her something that she can say 'no' to - and consequently, to you.

I'm in your same boat, and I'm thinking that maybe the best thing to do is to just chill on the music tip with girls until they're way into me. Thoughts?

I'd forgotten about this thread until it was bumped today. An update on this, if anyone is curious.

I hooked up with two female musicians in Europe since May. Both times, they'd link me to their soundcloud and I'd say their songs were great. So, experimenting, I'd link them to a soundcloud with rough demos of songs I (badly) recorded on a four track recorder in the early 90's. (I find the songs charming and naïve, but I'd never consider them good by any stretch of the imagination - though I hold myself to very high standards by this stage of life).

Both times: "Oh, you're so talented."

Both times: closed.

Wtf

I gave the performance of my life with the second one. Child of the wealthy rich. Had a Bechstein Grand in her musik salon. I naturally want to 'Life On Mars?' that mutha into the ground, but I pretend I only know triad chords: "Guitar's more me thing, y'know?"

What would I know? I'm just a big dumb lug with an artistic side that's 'earthy' and 'street'.

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Women and their fragile feminine egos, I guess.
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I was curious about the previous post and really happy to see this update.
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Bumping this due to a recent experience.

This is kind of hard to talk about without risking my identity, so excuse the vagueness.

Been banging a mid-20's girl on the regular for a couple of weeks. Pleasant enough company, still early days.

Let's just say I've got one of those once-in-a-lifetime opportunities coming up, and thought it'd be more fun to share it with someone, so asked her along, thinking she'd be good company and enjoy what is guaranteed to be a very luxurious ride. Picture the Dubai experience without the Instagram Poop Whores.

Evo-Psych theories would suggest she'd be thrilled and be clinging harder, but we live in this post-Frozen world now, so, you guessed it, my opportunity just offended her.

You see, it was going to be happening on her Birthday, and the fact that it was on her birthday was deeply-offensive to her, like I'd planned it that way. 20 years ago, the same experience would have been an average girl's Barbie Romantic Fantasy Birthday, but now...

This is exactly what she said to me, confirming every suspicion I've had about what Social Media and Smartphones is doing to women:

Quote:You're just trying to steal my attention on my special day.

Now she's decided she'll have a party that night with her all friends, and texted me this morning that if I really loved her, I'd stay.

A few minutes ago, I texted her back. "I guess I don't. Enjoy the party." Phones vibrating off the hook ever since. I'm not even going to look today. We're obviously wrong for each other.

Whilst I had my suspicions this raging narcissism and offense that a man might steal their spotlight was what is happening with women, to hear it put so bluntly and shamelessly was still shocking to me. This is like a woman turning down an all-expenses trip to Vegas because she made plans to go down to Wal-Mart to browse for toilet paper.
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(10-26-2015 09:59 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Bumping this due to a recent experience.

This is kind of hard to talk about without risking my identity, so excuse the vagueness.

Been banging a mid-20's girl on the regular for a couple of weeks. Pleasant enough company, still early days.

Let's just say I've got one of those once-in-a-lifetime opportunities coming up, and thought it'd be more fun to share it with someone, so asked her along, thinking she'd be good company and enjoy what is guaranteed to be a very luxurious ride. Picture the Dubai experience without the Instagram Poop Whores.

Evo-Psych theories would suggest she'd be thrilled and be clinging harder, but we live in this post-Frozen world now, so, you guessed it, my opportunity just offended her.

You see, it was going to be happening on her Birthday, and the fact that it was on her birthday was deeply-offensive to her, like I'd planned it that way. 20 years ago, the same experience would have been an average girl's Barbie Romantic Fantasy Birthday, but now...

This is exactly what she said to me, confirming every suspicion I've had about what Social Media and Smartphones is doing to women:

Quote:You're just trying to steal my attention on my special day.

Now she's decided she'll have a party that night with her all friends, and texted me this morning that if I really loved her, I'd stay.

A few minutes ago, I texted her back. "I guess I don't. Enjoy the party." Phones vibrating off the hook ever since. I'm not even going to look today. We're obviously wrong for each other.

Whilst I had my suspicions this raging narcissism and offense that a man might steal their spotlight was what is happening with women, to hear it put so bluntly and shamelessly was still shocking to me. This is like a woman turning down an all-expenses trip to Vegas because she made plans to go down to Wal-Mart to browse for toilet paper.

Masterful way to handle it, Humungous AB. Of course, you could twist the knife by hiring some, uh, local talent and sending her #tagyoursponsor-style pictures of Poopy Paradise, but we know you're not a vindictive guy Wink
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(10-26-2015 11:18 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Masterful way to handle it, Humungous AB. Of course, you could twist the knife by hiring some, uh, local talent and sending her #tagyoursponsor-style pictures of Poopy Paradise, but we know you're not a vindictive guy Wink

If she wants to embrace mediocrity, that's her prerogative, but women need to understand that if you add female 'empowerment' to a heterosexual relationship, it always comes at the cost of support and empathy for real people (male partners, family and children). As such, it makes the empowered woman easily-disposable to a man, because they bring nothing to the table.

This means, I don't care enough to twist the knife because I've pretty much forgotten her already. Onwards and upwards, y'know?

My sister was here earlier, wondering why I wasn't answering the phone since it kept beeping with texts every 30 seconds or so. I told her what happened, and her eyes went wide and she put her hand over her mouth in shock: "She actually said that?"

I said that, yes, she actually did, and my sister shrugged and said "They're all programmed to be like that now under 30."
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(10-27-2015 01:14 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  My sister was here earlier, wondering why I wasn't answering the phone since it kept beeping with texts every 30 seconds or so. I told her what happened, and her eyes went wide and she put her hand over her mouth in shock: "She actually said that?"

I said that, yes, she actually did, and my sister shrugged and said "They're all programmed to be like that now under 30."

Actually I find that this mental sickness has not reached Eastern Europe yet. Girls here still want to admire a man and quickly do.

But it's good to know where the craziness is going, because this mental rot will reach this area of the world too.
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Quote:Evo-Psych theories would suggest she'd be thrilled and be clinging harder, but we live in this post-Frozen world now, so, you guessed it, my opportunity just offended her.

That sounds like a horrible experience. It always sucks to see your worst suspicions about people confirmed. What do you mean by "post-Frozen"? I haven't seen the movie so I'm curious what that has to do with anything.
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(10-27-2015 02:32 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  That sounds like a horrible experience. It always sucks to see your worst suspicions about people confirmed. What do you mean by "post-Frozen"? I haven't seen the movie so I'm curious what that has to do with anything.

The Princesses are strong and empowered and save themselves, and the men are just distractions and playthings: true love exists between sisters, not a woman and a man. Standard Disney anti-heterosexuality programming.

Stefan Molyneux does a long dissection of it here, back before he Saw Some Shit and the light went out in his eyes.



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Bosch, could you explain why you feel that the light has left Stefan Molyneux's eyes, and when you noticed this change in him?
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