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RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(02-24-2016 11:27 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(02-24-2016 10:37 AM)kleyau Wrote:  Libertarianism is a political party based on autism. So it has a natural, low ceiling of support.

Like I say.

(02-23-2016 10:38 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  They're clearly onto something if "rebuttals" of their ideas are nothing more than expressions of contempt.

I don't have contempt for auties, some of my best friends are in IT and engineering.
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(02-24-2016 10:27 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official: The Libertarian Party is dead.

Too phony, too fake. Supposedly they were enemies of the FED but they refuse to support Trump who is wants to audit the FED.

Bye bye Libertarians, we only want men not shills.

That's because the Libertarians want to end the Fed....

Also Ron Paul isn't in the Libertarian Party.

But seriously why would you support someone who supports eminent domain and protectionism?
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(02-24-2016 04:46 PM)Centurion Wrote:  
(02-24-2016 10:27 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official: The Libertarian Party is dead.

Too phony, too fake. Supposedly they were enemies of the FED but they refuse to support Trump who is wants to audit the FED.

Bye bye Libertarians, we only want men not shills.

That's because the Libertarians want to end the Fed....

Also Ron Paul isn't in the Libertarian Party.

But seriously why would you support someone who supports eminent domain and protectionism?

Trump is not a protectionist, he wants to end slave labor. Tariffs are only going against countries that purposely peg their currency to enslave their citizens for US Corporations. Nations that allow their currency to float will not have tariffs levied against them.

Eminent domain is fine as long as it is not abused, which is impossible yet necessary for large scale projects. A necessary evil and also not bad as long as the money compensation is good as well.

Moreover, if you want to END THE FED then the first step is to audit the FED. People aren't going to want to end it unless they can see wrongdoing. The fact Paul doesn't support a man who is the nominee yet publicly states he wants to audit the FED reveals the lack of character and judgement on Ron Paul's part.

Ron Paul may not be in the Libertarian party yet he is a libertarian, and the fact he cannot support someone who won the nomination and shares his beliefs about the FED is hypocrisy. He's obviously as politically motivated as any other shill politician.

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(02-24-2016 04:46 PM)Centurion Wrote:  
(02-24-2016 10:27 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Well, it's official: The Libertarian Party is dead.

Too phony, too fake. Supposedly they were enemies of the FED but they refuse to support Trump who is wants to audit the FED.

Bye bye Libertarians, we only want men not shills.

That's because the Libertarians want to end the Fed....

Also Ron Paul isn't in the Libertarian Party.

But seriously why would you support someone who supports eminent domain and protectionism?

But seriously, why would you support someone who supports open borders? Maybe you've heard of some of the chaos that open border policies have caused over in Europe? Paris massacre? Cologne New Year's Eve rapes (and cover-up)? Sweden? There's a few threads going on this subject here at RVF. I encourage you to read them. Here's one:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253.html

It's only got about 8,000 posts in it so I can see how you might have missed it.

Look buds, this is a one-issue election and that issue ain't eminent domain or protectionism. It's immigration. Libertarianism is open borders. Libertarianism is over. Cue the bugle playing "Taps".

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RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(02-24-2016 09:09 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  But seriously, why would you support someone who supports open borders? Maybe you've heard of some of the chaos that open border policies have caused over in Europe? Paris massacre? Cologne New Year's Eve rapes (and cover-up)? Sweden? There's a few threads going on this subject here at RVF. I encourage you to read them. Here's one:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253.html

It's only got about 8,000 posts in it so I can see how you might have missed it.

Look buds, this is a one-issue election and that issue ain't eminent domain or protectionism. It's immigration. Libertarianism is open borders. Libertarianism is over. Cue the bugle playing "Taps".

African and Arab migrants aren't coming to the US, are they? Donald getting elected does nothing to help Europe.

In any case Libertarianism/open borders doesn't mean we can't shoot the invaders. Ie the guys in gangs mugging people and breaking into homes and are 70 IQ who won't work, and making cities unreasonably unsafe.

Similarly, the migrants aren't coming to NZ(even though we are very multicultural). I would never support a candidate who wants to close the borders in that case(especially a non Libertarian), even if it makes NZ cities more annoyingly Asian/Indian.
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(02-24-2016 05:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Trump is not a protectionist, he wants to end slave labor. Tariffs are only going against countries that purposely peg their currency to enslave their citizens for US Corporations. Nations that allow their currency to float will not have tariffs levied against them.

Eminent domain is fine as long as it is not abused, which is impossible yet necessary for large scale projects. A necessary evil and also not bad as long as the money compensation is good as well.

Moreover, if you want to END THE FED then the first step is to audit the FED. People aren't going to want to end it unless they can see wrongdoing. The fact Paul doesn't support a man who is the nominee yet publicly states he wants to audit the FED reveals the lack of character and judgement on Ron Paul's part.

Ron Paul may not be in the Libertarian party yet he is a libertarian, and the fact he cannot support someone who won the nomination and shares his beliefs about the FED is hypocrisy. He's obviously as politically motivated as any other shill politician.

All that's saying is how not-libertarian your values are. A true libertarian would never think protectionism is okay or eminent domain is a necessary evil. His voting record signalled libertarian and not being boguht off. He's a shill... for the ideology he himself genuinely believes in, because Donald isn't a libertarian candidate.

Also we don't need to audit the Fed to realise what it's doing and why it's bad. We can simply end it straight off. Unless you don't actually plan to end it.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/.../21712017/

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The contention on the immigration issue is around the order of libertarian policies. If everything else was libertarian (e.g. no discrimination laws, no welfare, no minimum wage etc), open borders wouldn't be as damaging. Migration would be limited to sufficiently wealthy men or industrious men, who subject to the prejudices of the local population for his foreignness, could nonetheless persevere and become accepted.

However, enacting open borders in the face of existing leftism is pure madness. (Not that I agree with it in either case).

The crossover "sweet spot" between libertarianism/capitalism & nationalism is a contentious issue on the right. We don't get closer to choosing that sweet spot by character attacks, we only get there by debating the ideas.
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(02-24-2016 10:57 PM)Centurion Wrote:  
(02-24-2016 09:09 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  But seriously, why would you support someone who supports open borders? Maybe you've heard of some of the chaos that open border policies have caused over in Europe? Paris massacre? Cologne New Year's Eve rapes (and cover-up)? Sweden? There's a few threads going on this subject here at RVF. I encourage you to read them. Here's one:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50253.html

It's only got about 8,000 posts in it so I can see how you might have missed it.

Look buds, this is a one-issue election and that issue ain't eminent domain or protectionism. It's immigration. Libertarianism is open borders. Libertarianism is over. Cue the bugle playing "Taps".

African and Arab migrants aren't coming to the US, are they?

Ummmmmmm... ya they are champ. They're coming to Canada also. Wake up and smell the Islam bro.

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(02-24-2016 10:57 PM)Centurion Wrote:  Donald getting elected does nothing to help Europe.

Bullshit. Trump's success inspires the Europeans. And us Canadians. There are many Europeans on this very forum who frequently express how they are so inspired by Trump. Can I get a witness out there? Requiem? Where are you?

(02-24-2016 10:57 PM)Centurion Wrote:  In any case Libertarianism/open borders doesn't mean we can't shoot the invaders.

It does if Hitlery gets elected and grabs all the guns. Trump is our only hope. You need to try to keep up here bro.

(02-24-2016 10:57 PM)Centurion Wrote:  Similarly, the migrants aren't coming to NZ(even though we are very multicultural).

Maybe because Australia is acting as an attractor to save you? I don't know. My mother was born in New Zealand so I have a soft spot for that place. I would like to think your country is a rare outpost of individualism and freedom. I have read that kiwi's have a very high rate of gun ownership, so that's promising. But NZ is just as vulnerable to the cancer of feminism as the rest of the western world. And the cancer of feminism leads to the folly of open borders, always, every time. Batshit crazy feminists are so sex-starved that they relish the idea of importing hordes of horny savages for their rape fantasies.

(02-24-2016 10:57 PM)Centurion Wrote:  I would never support a candidate who wants to close the borders in that case(especially a non Libertarian), even if it makes NZ cities more annoyingly Asian/Indian.

Well, as a father who refuses to expose his daughter to the risk of rapefugees, I say you're welcome to them bro, you can take them, because we don't want them. Enjoy.

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(02-24-2016 05:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Trump is not a protectionist, he wants to end slave labor. Tariffs are only going against countries that purposely peg their currency to enslave their citizens for US Corporations. Nations that allow their currency to float will not have tariffs levied against them.

Eminent domain is fine as long as it is not abused, which is impossible yet necessary for large scale projects. A necessary evil and also not bad as long as the money compensation is good as well.

Moreover, if you want to END THE FED then the first step is to audit the FED. People aren't going to want to end it unless they can see wrongdoing. The fact Paul doesn't support a man who is the nominee yet publicly states he wants to audit the FED reveals the lack of character and judgement on Ron Paul's part.

Ron Paul may not be in the Libertarian party yet he is a libertarian, and the fact he cannot support someone who won the nomination and shares his beliefs about the FED is hypocrisy. He's obviously as politically motivated as any other shill politician.

All that's saying is how not-libertarian your values are. A true libertarian would

No true libertarian, eh? Why does this sound familiar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-50871...pid1230465

Oh yeah, because you're arguing like a feminist I saw at Milo's debate on Tuesday night, that's why.

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(02-25-2016 03:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  The contention on the immigration issue is around the order of libertarian policies. If everything else was libertarian (e.g. no discrimination laws, no welfare, no minimum wage etc), open borders wouldn't be as damaging. Migration would be limited to sufficiently wealthy men or industrious men, who subject to the prejudices of the local population for his foreignness, could nonetheless persevere and become accepted.

Why would migration be limited? Who would limit it? What if some hordes of savages decided to wash over the border because their death cult brainwashed them into believing they had a divine right to rape the daughters of the local population and plunder the local wealth? What then? You like to talk about the "prejudices of the local population" towards "foreignness" but you are wilfully ignorant of the prejudices of the foreign population towards localness. Wake up and smell the Islam. The threat is real.

(02-25-2016 03:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  However, enacting open borders in the face of existing leftism is pure madness. (Not that I agree with it in either case).

It's pure madness. Period.

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Open borders are an inherently self-destructive proposition. For if your country is wealthier and with more desireable opportunities, then people from other countries will have a big incentive to immigrate over there. But since ressources, space and money are limited and the amount of poorer (relatively to yours) countries is large, you'll eventually get flooded with enough foreigners to drive down the wages, worsen your conditions, put a strain on the available space and ressources and thus bring YOUR country DOWN to their level. And only once your country is sufficiently poor enough will the immigration maybe stop. Any normal person would be abhorred at such an idea, but a true believer of libertanianism will ejaculate at the though of such a beautiful example of "equalizing market forces" and "free movement of labour".
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(02-25-2016 08:40 AM)I DIDNT KILL MY WIFE Wrote:  Any normal person would be abhorred at such an idea, but a true believer of libertanianism will ejaculate at the though of such a beautiful example of "equalizing market forces" and "free movement of labour".

Indeed, he will feel as proud as the good little autistic doctor in this scene:





... right up until it's too late.

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(02-24-2016 11:01 PM)Centurion Wrote:  
(02-24-2016 05:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Trump is not a protectionist, he wants to end slave labor. Tariffs are only going against countries that purposely peg their currency to enslave their citizens for US Corporations. Nations that allow their currency to float will not have tariffs levied against them.

Eminent domain is fine as long as it is not abused, which is impossible yet necessary for large scale projects. A necessary evil and also not bad as long as the money compensation is good as well.

Moreover, if you want to END THE FED then the first step is to audit the FED. People aren't going to want to end it unless they can see wrongdoing. The fact Paul doesn't support a man who is the nominee yet publicly states he wants to audit the FED reveals the lack of character and judgement on Ron Paul's part.

Ron Paul may not be in the Libertarian party yet he is a libertarian, and the fact he cannot support someone who won the nomination and shares his beliefs about the FED is hypocrisy. He's obviously as politically motivated as any other shill politician.

All that's saying is how not-libertarian your values are. A true libertarian would never think protectionism is okay or eminent domain is a necessary evil. His voting record signalled libertarian and not being boguht off. He's a shill... for the ideology he himself genuinely believes in, because Donald isn't a libertarian candidate.

Also we don't need to audit the Fed to realise what it's doing and why it's bad. We can simply end it straight off. Unless you don't actually plan to end it.

Every single view I espoused is libertarian. You didn't provide any arguments yet I will refute you because it's fun.

- Ending slave labor is libertarian because libertarians respect freedom of individuals. Slavery is not libertarian.

Read and weep, noob; http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Slavery

- Eminent domain: Why care? Give a single reason. Again, it's different if abused then it is bad, but using eminent domain to build roads, oil pipelines, or other things, is hardly problematic nor is it much of a threat to individual liberties. If someone gets way more money, above market value, for their property, there is no problem. Eminent domain is a trivial issue amongst libertarian priorities, therefore there is no reason for a libertarian to care until the bigger issues are addressed.

- We don't need to audit the fed? We can just end it instead? Now you're just pretending to be smart. It's like saying you don't need to hold a trial before convicting someone of a crime.

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Libertarians seem divided on the issue of open borders. Some like Lew Rockwell and Hans-Hermann Hoppe say we shouldn't have open borders, or rather, it should be left up to the people instead of the state.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-...-property/
Quote:In order to make sense of all this and reach the appropriate libertarian conclusion, we have to look more closely at what public property really is and who, if anyone, can be said to be its true owner ... There are two positions we must reject: that public property is owned by the government, or that public property is unowned, and is therefore comparable to land in the state of nature, before individual property titles to particular parcels of land have been established.

Certainly we cannot say public property is owned by the government, since government may not legitimately own anything. Government acquires its property by force, usually via the intermediary of taxation. A libertarian cannot accept that kind of property acquisition as morally legitimate, since it involves the initiation of force (the extraction of tax dollars) on innocent people. Hence government’s pretended property titles are illegitimate.


But neither can we say that public property is unowned. Property in the possession of a thief is not unowned, even if at the moment it does not happen to be held by the rightful owner. The same goes for so-called public property. It was purchased and developed by means of money seized from the taxpayers. They are the true owners.

In an anarcho-capitalist world, with all property privately owned, “immigration” would be up to each individual property owner to decide. Right now, on the other hand, immigration decisions are made by a central authority, with the wishes of property owners completely disregarded. The correct way to proceed, therefore, is to decentralize decision-making on immigration to the lowest possible level, so that we approach ever more closely the proper libertarian position, in which individual property owners consent to the various movements of peoples.

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(02-25-2016 10:01 AM)Huey Wrote:  The correct way to proceed, therefore, is to decentralize decision-making on immigration to the lowest possible level, so that we approach ever more closely the proper libertarian position, in which individual property owners consent to the various movements of peoples.

You can't achieve that unless you remove voting rights from women and cucks. The right to vote should be tied to eligibility for the military draft. All men should have the right when they reach adulthood, unless they choose to renounce it, in which case they become safe from the draft and lose their right to vote, ergo, they become "cucked". Women who have a strong desire to have the right to vote could voluntarily apply to become eligible for the draft and pass appropriate aptitude tests, but they should be discouraged from doing so at the cultural level. Any man who chooses to become a tranny would be automatically ineligible to vote or be drafted.

Before you argue the injustice of the draft, give yourself a reality check. When the savage hordes attack, there is never a choice, the draft becomes as inevitable as death and taxes, so spare me the autistic academic sophistry. Keep it real.

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(02-25-2016 10:01 AM)Huey Wrote:  Libertarians seem divided on the issue of open borders. Some like Lew Rockwell and Hans-Hermann Hoppe say we shouldn't have open borders, or rather, it should be left up to the people instead of the state.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/11/lew-...-property/
Quote:In order to make sense of all this and reach the appropriate libertarian conclusion, we have to look more closely at what public property really is and who, if anyone, can be said to be its true owner ... There are two positions we must reject: that public property is owned by the government, or that public property is unowned, and is therefore comparable to land in the state of nature, before individual property titles to particular parcels of land have been established.

Certainly we cannot say public property is owned by the government, since government may not legitimately own anything. Government acquires its property by force, usually via the intermediary of taxation. A libertarian cannot accept that kind of property acquisition as morally legitimate, since it involves the initiation of force (the extraction of tax dollars) on innocent people. Hence government’s pretended property titles are illegitimate.


But neither can we say that public property is unowned. Property in the possession of a thief is not unowned, even if at the moment it does not happen to be held by the rightful owner. The same goes for so-called public property. It was purchased and developed by means of money seized from the taxpayers. They are the true owners.

In an anarcho-capitalist world, with all property privately owned, “immigration” would be up to each individual property owner to decide. Right now, on the other hand, immigration decisions are made by a central authority, with the wishes of property owners completely disregarded. The correct way to proceed, therefore, is to decentralize decision-making on immigration to the lowest possible level, so that we approach ever more closely the proper libertarian position, in which individual property owners consent to the various movements of peoples.

This is a good example of where the libertarian philosophy breaks down.

For how can individual property owners regulate the movement of peoples if they are invaded by a superior force? These individual property owners would need to band together and form a militia. And such a militia would need to be governed; i.e. a government. Therefore to protect the borders of individual property owners, there would need to be a government reigning over public goods. But according to libertarian philosophy, there cannot be any public goods, yet the border issue clearly proves that there are public goods.

Therefore, libertarianism contradicts itself.

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(02-25-2016 08:24 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Why would migration be limited? Who would limit it?
They need to live somewhere, they need to get jobs to earn money to eat. The incentive to migrate is much lower when it's difficult to find someone who'll rent you an apartment or give you a job, versus when you get free housing and welfare.

(02-25-2016 08:24 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  What if some hordes of savages decided to wash over the border because their death cult brainwashed them into believing they had a divine right to rape the daughters of the local population and plunder the local wealth? What then?
Then they'd get mowed down. Richer countries can afford better weapons and field better-educated generals and soldiers. There is no "washing over the border" when the local inhabitants are hostile to that. On the contrary though, Europe is using its own infrastructure (trains, boats etc) to actually facilitate the invasion.

The problem is leftism, not libertarianism.

(02-25-2016 11:08 AM)Samseau Wrote:  For how can individual property owners regulate the movement of peoples if they are invaded by a superior force? These individual property owners would need to band together and form a militia. And such a militia would need to be governed; i.e. a government. Therefore to protect the borders of individual property owners, there would need to be a government reigning over public goods. But according to libertarian philosophy, there cannot be any public goods, yet the border issue clearly proves that there are public goods.

Therefore, libertarianism contradicts itself.

This is actually a question I've been pondering. There is an inflection point between libertarianism/capitalism and nationalism, which I'm also trying to reconcile with the theories of anarcho-capitalism (full libertarianism), which advocates a fully stateless society using security&insurance contracts etc, with the mixed constitution (king/nobles/electorate), and also the federal system. The most interesting thing I'm noticing is the relation of all of these to the old feudal system: there were "security contracts" so to speak, but they tended to be lifetime bondage-like (fealty); there tended to be automatic federalism, as the lords would each have their own territory to administer with their own laws; and the lords would all be underneath a king, for coordinated military reasons. This seems close to the inflection point between a stateless and state society.

Either way, democracy is just fucked up basically. It's the biggest lie we've all been told. The big one.
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(02-25-2016 08:24 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Why would migration be limited? Who would limit it?
They need to live somewhere, they need to get jobs to earn money to eat. The incentive to migrate is much lower when it's difficult to find someone who'll rent you an apartment or give you a job, versus when you get free housing and welfare.

They don't need to earn money to eat. That's where you are missing the threat here. They can beg and they can steal. Begging and stealing is a lot easier than working to earn money. And it's a lot easier for them to beg and steal (and rape and murder) when they consider the people they are begging and stealing from (and raping and murdering) filthy infidels. The incentive to trick and rob and rape and murder infidels is incredibly high. You don't grasp this because the truth about Islam has been hidden from you. You're right that the left is part of the problem because the left hides the truth, but there is another part of the problem and you are wilfully ignoring it. Here's some truth exposed on ROK today, should you choose to accept it:

http://www.returnofkings.com/80829/why-t...irate-wars

(02-25-2016 12:17 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  
(02-25-2016 08:24 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  What if some hordes of savages decided to wash over the border because their death cult brainwashed them into believing they had a divine right to rape the daughters of the local population and plunder the local wealth? What then?
Then they'd get mowed down. Richer countries can afford better weapons and field better-educated generals and soldiers. There is no "washing over the border" when the local inhabitants are hostile to that.

I draw your attention to the 11:00 mark in the video clip below where Dr. Bill Warner will proceed to show you PRECISELY how the "washing over the border" occurs in real-time with a lovely animated map of the world. Educate yourself. You sound like Neville Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time." Wake up.





(02-25-2016 12:17 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  On the contrary though, Europe is using its own infrastructure (trains, boats etc) to actually facilitate the invasion.

The problem is leftism, not libertarianism.

Europe is doing that because arguments like yours have neutered the "hostility of the local inhabitants" you referenced above. The problem is that leftism has convinced people to vote for open borders, just like you are trying to convince me right now. On this issue, libertarianism and leftism, i.e. liberalism, are in agreement. They just use different sophistry to justify their conclusions. Liberals say closed borders are racist. Libertarians say closed borders are unnecessary. The first bit of sophistry is disingenuous and evil and the second bit is autistic, but both are wrong and both are dangerous. Libertarianism is dead.

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RE: Libertarian Party discussion
(02-25-2016 01:02 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  Educate yourself. You sound like Neville Chamberlain declaring "peace in our time." Wake up.

You just want to simplify every argument into drama and agitate for conflict. I suspect the hotheadedness you constantly display will end predictably.

I've already made my position on Islam abundantly clear elsewhere, indeed I've posted that video myself before.
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(02-25-2016 01:44 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  You just want to simplify every argument into drama and agitate for conflict.

Well our arguments ARE in conflict, and simplification is the enemy of sophistry, I know, sorry. But seriously, I'm just having some fun. Hope I didn't offend you too much. I mean that sincerely. I figure we're all big boys here and we can handle a bit of the hack and slash, if you catch my drift. I will admit though, you're not the first person I know to observe that I thrive on conflict. Like Mike Cernovich says (with a Neitzsche quote), "The true man wants two things: danger and play." Having said all that, I still claim victory in this argument, make no mistake about that.


(02-25-2016 01:44 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  I suspect the hotheadedness you constantly display will end predictably.

We'll see. You may be right, I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic this argument's looking for.

(02-25-2016 01:44 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  I've already made my position on Islam abundantly clear elsewhere, indeed I've posted that video myself before.

I didn't know that and I'm happy to hear it.

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If libertarians took over the country, they would have to enact libertarian policies in steps. It would take time and wouldn't happen overnight.

Conservatives love the line: "We can't have open borders because we have a welfare state." This is a pointless argument against libertarians because libertarians want to get rid of the welfare state.

At the same time, it is also why conservatives do absolutely nothing to get rid of the welfare state. The welfare state is a very convenient excuse for other restrictions on liberty which conservatives do support. It shows that conservative would rather have a wall and a welfare state than have open borders and no welfare state. Conservatives really want that wall.

There's another reason why supporting a wall is foolish and ultimately suicide. Walls work both ways. Like many men on this board, I see America as a Titanic looking for an iceberg. Well, if there is a wall, that just makes it much harder for me to leave. Thanks a lot, closed border people--we are going to be stuck in this god forsaken country because of your silly xenophobia.
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(02-26-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  Conservatives really want that wall.

You're damn right we do.

(02-26-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  Like many men on this board, I see America as a Titanic looking for an iceberg. Well, if there is a wall, that just makes it much harder for me to leave.

I can show you to the airport if you're having trouble finding it. America has been counted out before. There was a depression in the 1930's and they said America was over. Then innovation and Texas oil wealth allowed America to pull herself up by her bootstraps. Then in the late 1970's, everyone talked about how the energy crisis and superior Japanese auto manufacturing were going to be the end of America. Then innovation and Silicon Valley allowed America to pull herself up by her bootstraps. We've been warned about that iceberg before, and yet still America sails. You can bet against America if you want to. I'm betting on her continued success. And so are a lot of men on this board. God bless America.

(02-26-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  Thanks a lot, closed border people--we are going to be stuck in this god forsaken country because of your silly xenophobia.

Closed border men like Charles "The Hammer" Martel, King Jan III Sobieski, and Thomas Jefferson had that precise sort of silly xenophobia too my friend, and their descendants are forever in their debt for it, so on their behalf I say to you... you're welcome.

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(02-26-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  we are going to be stuck in this god forsaken country

I'll just leave this here.

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(02-26-2016 01:27 AM)puckerman Wrote:  If libertarians took over the country, they would have to enact libertarian policies in steps. It would take time and wouldn't happen overnight.

Conservatives love the line: "We can't have open borders because we have a welfare state." This is a pointless argument against libertarians because libertarians want to get rid of the welfare state.

At the same time, it is also why conservatives do absolutely nothing to get rid of the welfare state.

Simply bullshit. Conservatives have opposed the welfare state since day 1. The welfare state was reformed under Reagan and during the 90's as well, all by Republicans.

Instead of focusing on the conservatives boogeymen, perhaps libertarians should fight the left who are literally the destroyers of civilization.

Yet I hardly see libertarians attack the left, because libertarians are mostly weak, effeminate males with a touch of autism. Libertarians would rather nip the heals of their closest allies instead of attacking the scary and dangerous left.

Yet another reason conservatives do not take libertarians seriously.

Quote:The welfare state is a very convenient excuse for other restrictions on liberty which conservatives do support. It shows that conservative would rather have a wall and a welfare state than have open borders and no welfare state. Conservatives really want that wall.

There's another reason why supporting a wall is foolish and ultimately suicide. Walls work both ways. Like many men on this board, I see America as a Titanic looking for an iceberg. Well, if there is a wall, that just makes it much harder for me to leave. Thanks a lot, closed border people--we are going to be stuck in this god forsaken country because of your silly xenophobia.

This is a joke. Nothing is stopping Americans from hopping on a plane and flying anywhere, not to mention the long unguarded border to the North.

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