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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
(12-12-2016 10:34 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: I wouldn't glorify these idiots as what they're doing is a competition to find out who will represent Russia in beating the fuck out of foreign supporters when the 2018 World Cup rolls round.
Other countries, except for some (Italians, Spaniards, Eastern Europeans), have made sure their troublesome supporters do not visit countries for sporting competitions.
What you will see in the Russian world cup is normal men, women and children on the receiving end of brutality from these types who live nothing but for the so-called glory of beating up others outside of their group. We saw only a small taster in the previous world cup when England fans had to run away from the oncoming Russian thugs amidst strong security.
Russian security forces will not have control over these guys without resorting to mass violence themselves and you shouldn't be anywhere near them.
Ridiculous scaremongering.
Most Russians are friendly and they will do nothing. Only BBC makes you think they are all voda drinking thugs. Also, UK fans never make trouble? Look at your history with hooligans first.
If any of you go to Russia for the world cup you will have a great time with no trouble. Black, Asian, English, no problem.
These are organized fights between hooligans of football clubs. Nothing more, nothing less. Not some preparation of civil war.
If these guys want to do this, who cares? This shit is funny to watch.
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
(12-12-2016 12:05 PM)britchard Wrote: Yeah the difference is here that all of the participants are clearly willing and of reasonably equal ability, so I don't mind stuff like this as it is pretty funny.
The legendary Battle of Marseille in June 2016 between England and Russia fans was not fair. It was guys like in Roosh's video (the main Russian away support base) against normal men (and some women) from England who had just turned up to watch the game and drink.
The world cup in 2018, provided England get there, will be brutal as there will be some hardcoreEngland fans seeking retribution, and then that causes the Russians to attack normal English fans. Also whenever any team from the United Kingdom plays in the same city they will either fight each other or gang up and fight another country.
Indeed, Russia 2018 will be massive for Hooligans. Russia took all the hooligan fame last cup and on top of that humiliated England, who will be out for revenge. Besides this, you got Poland, some Balkan countries, Turkey, etc. who all want to prove their worth.
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
I don't have a massive problem with this as long as it's kept away from normal fans. Marseille this year was ugly, no pride to be gained from it. If you want to fight equals who agree to fight you back to establish who the alpha pack is, fine. Attacking random people and trying to kill/injure them is shameful and I hope there's none of that in 2018. If English hooligans want to meet these ultras in a field somewhere and get the arses handed to them I don't give a shit, as they're fools who bring shame to the English game.
Interesting videos though: shows the importance of momentum (see the Demark vs Sweden vid) - backpedalling punches carry no power - and isolation. Seems that if the rest of the 'pack' can hold off the main body of the opponents, isolating one or two from the pack and then working them over with mismatched numbers takes them out quickly and your guys can re-join the fray.
You can tell those Russians have MMA training - some of them are beasts with their hands. Yes it looks like a bit of a shitfest, but people always drop to their lowest level of training under pressure. As for gassing after a minute, fighting is so much more knackering than any other physical activity. Even when I was training MMA, 3 x 2 minute rounds were absolutely exhausting, and by the end of the first round my best was behind me for the fight, and that was when I was in really good shape.
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
"Some people don't think it be like it is but it do".
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
(12-12-2016 12:46 AM)Rocha Wrote: (12-11-2016 11:48 PM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote: (12-11-2016 07:39 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote: More people need to do this. It would solve a lot of problems.
Imagine if this was the RVF crew vs. the crew of pudwacks from, say, CNN.
As for the video, Russians gonna Russian.
I think Quintus was being playful.
This has nothing to do with martial arts.
I was dead serious.
Look at that video again. What you just saw is one of the few remaining opportunities that young men have in the Western world to express a normal (and healthy) fraternal violence.
It is good. It is right. It is beautiful.
I loved fighting with pugil sticks back in the old USMC days. Most of the time I would get my head bashed. But sometimes I would get to do a little smashing myself.
And it was glorious. Your adrenalin is surging through your system, and you are quivering from the release of endorphins.
This the abode of the Great God Pain, as Ernst Junger would say. And it needs to be visited and paid homage to, every so often.
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
(12-12-2016 11:36 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote: (12-12-2016 12:46 AM)Rocha Wrote: (12-11-2016 11:48 PM)Wealth of Spirit Wrote: (12-11-2016 07:39 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote: More people need to do this. It would solve a lot of problems.
Imagine if this was the RVF crew vs. the crew of pudwacks from, say, CNN.
As for the video, Russians gonna Russian.
I think Quintus was being playful.
This has nothing to do with martial arts.
I was dead serious.
Look at that video again. What you just saw is one of the few remaining opportunities that young men have in the Western world to express a normal (and healthy) fraternal violence.
It is good. It is right. It is beautiful.
I loved fighting with pugil sticks back in the old USMC days. Most of the time I would get my head bashed. But sometimes I would get to do a little smashing myself.
And it was glorious. Your adrenalin is surging through your system, and you are quivering from the release of endorphins.
This the abode of the Great God Pain, as Ernst Junger would say. And it needs to be visited and paid homage to, every so often.
I am against the purpose. Football clubs / sports of masses do not deserve regular guys breaking limbs or suffer more injuries in meaningless fights. Also, they get the same adrenaline fighting somewhere one on one, and not 2 or 3 vs. one has it's been seen in many of these fights, where potential head damage and thrauma can be easily acquired via a sucker punch or similar maneuver.
It would be fun to check out the type and number of injuries in the end of one of these brawls. Certainly most of these fellas do not have to wake up soon to go to work the next day, or have families to feed.
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RE: Large hooligan fight in the snow
(12-12-2016 12:02 PM)leanmeansexmachine Wrote: (12-12-2016 10:34 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote: I wouldn't glorify these idiots as what they're doing is a competition to find out who will represent Russia in beating the fuck out of foreign supporters when the 2018 World Cup rolls round.
Other countries, except for some (Italians, Spaniards, Eastern Europeans), have made sure their troublesome supporters do not visit countries for sporting competitions.
What you will see in the Russian world cup is normal men, women and children on the receiving end of brutality from these types who live nothing but for the so-called glory of beating up others outside of their group. We saw only a small taster in the previous world cup when England fans had to run away from the oncoming Russian thugs amidst strong security.
Russian security forces will not have control over these guys without resorting to mass violence themselves and you shouldn't be anywhere near them.
Ridiculous scaremongering.
Most Russians are friendly and they will do nothing. Only BBC makes you think they are all voda drinking thugs. Also, UK fans never make trouble? Look at your history with hooligans first.
If any of you go to Russia for the world cup you will have a great time with no trouble. Black, Asian, English, no problem.
These are organized fights between hooligans of football clubs. Nothing more, nothing less. Not some preparation of civil war.
If these guys want to do this, who cares? This shit is funny to watch.
Russian Ultras have gloated about this WC being their chance to show off how good they are. Football clubs are just one aspect, they have inter gym fights too.
If you think I follow that shit pit called the BBC and listen to what old media has to say about Russians you're mistaken. You will also be mistaken as those idiotic England fans were when they tried it with some Ultras in the European Cup just this summer.
Re-watch some of the footage when England played Russia. There were segments of Russian fans (you know who) that didn't come to watch the football but instead came to beat people up and prove themselves. The fact there were families involved didn't stop them going forward and hurting everyone they could.
They train in gyms and get fight experience in these set brawls. Some random foreign football fan who thinks he's hard is going to get himself murdered.
(This post was last modified: 12-13-2016 11:09 AM by Foolsgo1d.)
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