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RE: Are there any reasons NOT to expatriate from the U.S.?
(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  When you go to a certain country, you go there to live like one of them.

Really? Is this some sort of objective truth that I've never heard before?

(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  (can you imagine someone saying 'hell no I won't live like americans' when they come here?)

Yes, I can.
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I was wondering how/why brewdog got banned then I read this thread.

As a well travelled man, I know "the grass is always greener" effect well..

All places have their pros and cons. Making a big international move takes courage, conviction and you generally realise its not what you thought it would be like living here anyway.

I maintain that for all the reasons we may be unhappy about life in a western first world nation... Its still by far the best of times to be alive.

Freedom, opportunity, health, wealth and stability abound in ways it never has since the beginning of time. Its easy to forget that.
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(05-20-2017 07:01 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  I maintain that for all the reasons we may be unhappy about life in a western first world nation... Its still by far the best of times to be alive.

Freedom, opportunity, health, wealth and stability abound in ways it never has since the beginning of time. Its easy to forget that.

We have it better than anyone in history and yet we complain. Being a man has never been better.
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(05-21-2017 07:12 AM)SunW Wrote:  We have it better than anyone in history and yet we complain. Being a man has never been better.

When has there ever been a time when men didn't have it better than anyone in history? Whatever era we're in is always the most modern era up to that point, with the greatest wealth of knowledge, the most advanced technology, etc. So thousands of years ago, the same statement could've been made. "Wow, look at how we have iron tools now instead of bronze or stone. We have all these luxuries, yet we still complain."

Whatever civilization people live in, they're usually comparing themselves to the Joneses, and feeling unhappy if they don't measure up to their peers. People warn about that when there's a 60-year-old American man considering marrying a 30-year-old Filipina. Yeah, that might seem great by American standards, but if he goes to live in the Philippines, he's going to see other American 60-year-olds with 20-year-old wives, and feel like he cheated himself.

At any given time, half the population will be below average, so they'll have reason to feel pathetic and inferior. Not that I would know what that's like; I mostly just blame my situation on unfavorable circumstances that don't allow my genius to bear fruit the way it otherwise might.

Society, on the other hand, will tend to blame the individuals' weakness rather than its own dysfunctions for any problems that arise. Society will say, "If everyone would just get with the program and stop rebelling, there would be universal happiness."
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(05-20-2017 06:31 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  If you are going to get banned at least do it in a real thread not one started by this fake fiction writer Jean Valjean who never once answered being called out for BS about four different wives including whores and feminist bloggers.

Clearly, this subject confused and caused BrewDog to get emotional. The little mini-anti-usa rant that this thread evoked from him is most likely just because he is broke and isn't getting any. People don't realize that their words reveal a lot when not carefully crafted, eg BrewDog saying he stays in the US because he makes money. Translation: stays because he has never figured out how to get free from small bills and obligations and is chained by choice to the salary he is making. The beer on the street rant? High standards man. Asking GlobalMan if he has been anywhere? Nice one man. BrewDog, good luck man I hope you fix what's bothering you.

But back to JV. Whatever subject is posted, JV seems to want to discredit the underlying idea. He claims now that the Libertarian party expelled him. Another load of crap fiction. The libertarian party has never "expelled" anyone because LP have no principles, authority, or power to do so. They are ineffective and if they didn't exist overnight it would make no difference. Those liberty minded individuals who wanted to serve in public office could do so in the other parties, or a new one, or as independents and would be just as effective. A bunch of crackpots and crackheads untied by nothing threw out JV for being "too red pill?" JV does your self-esteem programming demand you believe that no one reads what you write?

No one cares if you move to the Philippines. Disappear into the slave state where 10,000 people combined do not have the intellect to detect your lies. You will gain more respite from this than from the masculine "laws" you say you seek. Godspeed in "winding up your affairs." I envision you, after landing in November, in some godforsaken village in the most humid and fly infested island of them all, with some short, fat, small chested woman yelling at you in a special shrill 'I am not at the call center now voice' several times a day about incomprehensible subjects. You will feel a sense of libertarian freedom when she lets you go out to buy a six pack, but you will miss out on posting here after she breaks your only laptop.

Say hi to BrewDog over there.

Four wives? You seem confused. The timeline is as follows:

December 2013: Met my first wife at alt.suicide.holiday
April 2014: Married my first wife
June 2014: Was left by my first wife
November 2014: Got served with a restraining order taken out by my first wife; went on the rebound and met my second wife at Cherry Blossoms
April 2015: Divorced my first wife (although the divorce was technically illegal, since we had a kid that I didn't know about)
June 2015: My (by that point, ex-)wife died by suicide
March 2016: Married my second wife

The first wife had a number of red flags. That's not all that unusual, as red flags tend to go together. I still love her, despite her red flags and the fact that she's dead. She was a prolific writer like me; I still have more than a thousand pages of her writings defending prostitution, suicide, androgyny, the Columbine shooters, etc. She wanted me to publish and promote all of it, but Encyclopedia Dramatica said "No thanks."

My second wife is not flat-chested, by the way. I went through many, many profiles of Filipinas specifically looking for ones who weren't flat-chested. She does revert back to Visayan when she gets mad and wants to yell at me in a language I don't understand.

Yeah, the national LP doesn't kick people out, but the state affiliates sometimes do, if the person is causing trouble or if they think he's going to make the party look bad. If you get kicked out of your state affiliate, then you lose out on a lot of your opportunities to participate in the national LP, for example by serving as a delegate from your state to the national convention. But whatever; like I say, the LP has gone leftist in recent years, to the point that we can no longer say that they're just Republicans with weed.

The only libertarian organization I know of that doesn't seem to have been taken over yet by SJWs is the Mises Institute. If anything, they had a schism with people like Jeffrey Tucker who wanted to go in a more politically correct direction.

A lot of times, the reason people move far away is that they want to leave their past behind and have a fresh start. I was thinking of raising ducks. I think my wife's dad used to own about 6,000 of them, which is way more than this small herd. It remains an open question, which attracts more women, being a duck herder or having a zebra?



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The only people who have solid logical reasons for expatriation are very rich above the 10-50 mio. $ net assets value. They can afford to buy themselves an investor's visa or green card anytime, some are even rich enough to purchase back the US citizenship.

If you can get a Swiss citizenship, then you are fuck you rich. If you are worth 100 mio. $ and famous like Gerard Depardieu then you can even become a Russian citizen, but that is not applicable to the average or even upper tier American.

Moving abroad and staying abroad for a long time is something else, but that still leaves you the option of returning.
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I've been living outside the USA for 4 years now (Colombia and DR) working an online business but I am now considering moving back. I've realized it's not really about the country but it's about the city. Ideally you want to live in your favorite city, regardless of what country it's in. Well there's a particular city in the USA that I find myself missing and is the only reason I would move back. I would still choose Colombia over any of the other cities in the USA except this particular city.

Every city and every country has upsides and downsides. It's all about weighing it out but ultimately it comes down to how much you enjoy your life in a particular city. If you have to pay a premium to live in a city where you enjoy living the most who cares?

Current plan is to go back for a month and see how I feel. After a month it could be that I snap back to reality and decide it's not worth the downsides and leave again. Or the solution could be in the middle where I just need to split my time up between different cities/countries for the rest if my life.
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I've been out of US for over 4 years now, and like everyone here mentions no place is perfect theres no Utopia, with that being said for me personally the overall quality of life way better abroad. I'm one of the lucky few though I can live in my own little bubble as I own a business in the states that I can work online. I admittedly don't feel a lot of the dysfunction of these countries cause I don't have to deal with gov't, difficulty of doing business, and all the non sense I earn a salary that gives me the freedom to make my own rules. Due to my unique circumstances the grass is definitely greener, if you can set yourself up in a similar fashion you'd agree 100% however if I had to live, work, and earn like one of the locals I'm sure I'd be singing a different tune.

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(05-21-2017 07:34 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  At any given time, half the population will be below average, so they'll have reason to feel pathetic and inferior. Not that I would know what that's like; I mostly just blame my situation on unfavorable circumstances that don't allow my genius to bear fruit the way it otherwise might.

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sure, if you like fat chicks with bad attitudes, stay right here.
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(05-21-2017 07:34 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  At any given time, half the population will be below average, so they'll have reason to feel pathetic and inferior. Not that I would know what that's like; I mostly just blame my situation on unfavorable circumstances that don't allow my genius to bear fruit the way it otherwise might.

Below average people don't feel pathetic and inferior.

They simply blame their inabilities and failings on unfavorable circumstances that don't allow their genius to bear fruit.
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(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  can you imagine someone saying 'hell no I won't live like americans' when they come here?

We don't have to imagine it.
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(05-21-2017 09:31 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  The only people who have solid logical reasons for expatriation are very rich above the 10-50 mio. $ net assets value. They can afford to buy themselves an investor's visa or green card anytime, some are even rich enough to purchase back the US citizenship.

If you can get a Swiss citizenship, then you are fuck you rich. If you are worth 100 mio. $ and famous like Gerard Depardieu then you can even become a Russian citizen, but that is not applicable to the average or even upper tier American.

Moving abroad and staying abroad for a long time is something else, but that still leaves you the option of returning.

Having trouble catching your meaning here Zel. Are you talking about simple expatriation or actually doing something extreme like teminating your US citizenship? Any American with a good pension/401K/location independent income has logical reasons to expatriate someplace he can live like a king, and can simply return home if things don't work out.
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(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  After living in U.S almost 15 years as a foreigner, I feel like I've seen enough. I'd like to live in places like europe eventually. (probably france)

I don't understand why if someone hates U.S here, they Always talk about 3rd world countries. Is it because it gives them an instant upper hand? (like you go to poor neighborhoods to look like baller)

I don't think it is a complicated psychological analysis but rather a simple question of whether your quality of life will improve. For most people, quality of life is earnings less expenses. For some, secondary considerations like specialized health care, proximity to family, political issues, etc. may dominate. But for most people if you move move the needle favorably on the earnings minus expenses equation, it makes sense.

If you are american, and you move to another first world country, there is little difference. If you go to western europe, some things are better (food) some things are worse (regulation). but the differences are slight in magnitude. And you'll probably do well to keep your current earnings, and your expenses will go up. Things like housing and utilities are higher, but some things are less, like health care, or you get better quality for the same price (food).

If you go to the third world, the differences are greater. the cost of living is much less. for most, the earning potential is much less. so for most people, and considering the things important to most people, you don't gain by leaving.

but if you can lower your cost of living and keep your current income by working or running a business over the net, it makes a lot of sense.
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(05-24-2017 07:39 AM)Suits Wrote:  Below average people don't feel pathetic and inferior.

They simply blame their inabilities and failings on unfavorable circumstances that don't allow their genius to bear fruit.

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(05-21-2017 08:19 AM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  The first wife had a number of red flags. That's not all that unusual, as red flags tend to go together. I still love her, despite her red flags and the fact that she's dead. She was a prolific writer like me; I still have more than a thousand pages of her writings defending prostitution, suicide, androgyny, the Columbine shooters, etc. She wanted me to publish and promote all of it, but Encyclopedia Dramatica said "No thanks."...Yeah, the national LP doesn't kick people out, but the state affiliates sometimes do, if the person is causing trouble or if they think he's going to make the party look bad. If you get kicked out of your state affiliate, then you lose out on a lot of your opportunities to participate in the national LP, for example by serving as a delegate from your state to the national convention. But whatever...

It does seem that your woes are largely of your own design.

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(05-19-2017 12:33 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  I find it crazy when people call the United States shitty, say they want more freedom, and then turn around and praise what are often genuine shitholes, or other places that don't have 1/5 of the freedoms but do have 20x the corruption and bullshit.

I may be an exception, I've been in Ukraine almost two years. I spent the first year and a half teaching English, slowly taking more and more private gigs which were far more lucrative than working for a school. My background is in marketing for the video game industry and by a happy coincidence, Ukraine has a thriving IT industry here. It is one of the only ways Ukrainians are able to earn a decent wage. I swore I'd never go back to tech but the opportunity to earn the same, and now higher salary than what I was making in the US, tax free, was too great to ignore. Getting by on a thousand USD a month in Kiev is doable, but with my current tech position (working for a US tech company, my paycheck goes directly into my US bank account) I can live like an absolute king, indefinitely.

(05-19-2017 12:33 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  Sucking Latina and Asian titties is excellent, but lets not pretend places like Colombia and Vietnam are the land of the free and home to all that is excellent and right. Too many guys just can't take these places for what they are and enjoy- they insist on pretending they are paradises all the way through, when that could not be further from reality to anyone who has lived in those places for years.

Are you talking about the locals or other expats who have settled down abroad? If you're referring to the locals, yes there life is far more difficult. I'm not thick-headed enough not to notice. If you're talking about expats, my experience is mostly with other English teachers. The school I used to work for... my god they brought some people out of the fucking woodwork to come teach in Ukraine.
99.9% of them were losers from the US, thinking they would come here and marry a model, living on a teaching salary (around $600 a month).

Like Suits said, very few people have the willpower and ability to "make it" someplace else, myself included. I was perfectly happy teaching my private gigs, getting paid in lump sums of cash. The fact that Ukraine's tech industry presented me with the opportunity to exceed my old US salary free of taxes while advancing my career in tech... just dumb luck.

(05-19-2017 12:33 AM)GlobalMan Wrote:  I may or may not stay in the United States long term, but I'm perfectly happy back living here at the moment. I know I could be happy elsewhere as well, I have been many times, but I'm under no silly illusions that there exists some paradise in rural Luzon or Envigado where life is more "genuine" or "free".

Again, I may be the exception: there are ZERO benefits for me to return to the US at this point.

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I'm curious how that happened. And how come your salary is tax-free ?
Plenty of foreign companies outsource to Poland but none pay you in EUR or USD and certainly not a Western salary unless you get hired in another country and they send you to Poland on assignment. I'd be surprised if the situation was different in Ukraine.
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I'm a US citizen, living and working in Ukraine for a US company's Ukraine based office. They wanted a native English speaker with 5+ years experience in tech.

When I was hired, I assumed I would be getting paid via converted dollars to hryvnia at a current rate but they told me they could route my salary through the American office to a US bank account if I preferred. It's tax free because I make under $100k and am therefore eligible for the FEIE (form 2555) tax exemption.

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Good for you. If I run into a guy doing something better in another country, id love to hear how he got there. But if i hear a guy talking about how american women are mean to him, everybody treats him like a shit, govts are corrupted and his job sucks etc, I would stay away from the guy immediately.
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I left Canada because everyone there was mean to me, especially the women and the Canadian government is corrupt. Also, I couldn't get a job that didn't suck.
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My company, based in the US offered to move to Poland, but at a salary lower than my current US salary. The salary was definitely higher than what a local in Poland would get. In terms of purchasing power, the salaries were likely similar.

In the end, I decided to remain in the US in order to use my extra dollars to invest and hopefully create a second income stream. After that is established, it may make sense to try a move again.
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(05-20-2017 06:31 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  I envision you, after landing in November, in some godforsaken village in the most humid and fly infested island of them all, with some short, fat, small chested woman yelling at you in a special shrill 'I am not at the call center now voice' several times a day about incomprehensible subjects. You will feel a sense of libertarian freedom when she lets you go out to buy a six pack, but you will miss out on posting here after she breaks your only laptop.

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Oh man, Opportunities!, bussiness!, jobs!, economy, freedom!, I'm not being sarcastic.

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I just scam the system as much as I can until it collapses.
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(05-20-2017 08:43 AM)Suits Wrote:  
(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  When you go to a certain country, you go there to live like one of them.

Really? Is this some sort of objective truth that I've never heard before?

(05-20-2017 07:38 AM)Sebastian Wrote:  (can you imagine someone saying 'hell no I won't live like americans' when they come here?)

Yes, I can.

If you lived like a true Chinese person you'd end up poorer than a Chinese person. Could you imagine beating your wife in public, misusing Chinese public funds and all that other shit the locals get away with that we'd go to Jail for 203243423 years for?

I came to China to make money, bang sloots and have fun, not pretend to be Chinese.

I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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