Post: #7701

Dawg why get so anxious. If youre going to joke with a girl ("im homeless" "suga mama" "tacos as payment") then you have to keep rolling with that

Cant get caught out by her giving you a lil push back

Just keep rolling with the punches

Like you could have flipped the money thing back at her and restarted the suga mama thread "oh so you got it like that? I knew you'd make a good suga mama"

Just riff off stuff that she's saying

She was actually down for the "im homeless, cash me out" frame. Links back to her bio, independent woman vibe. Like have some fun dude, you could have ran with that.

Instead you backed off of that and then got in your feelings

Post: #7702

(01-11-2019 12:07 PM)corsega Wrote:  (this girl's occupation was Interior Designer, and bio was "I make my own money so I can date any guy I like, I don't care what you do")

I've had a few conversations like that.

Some girls are not good at picking up irony. Sometimes they realise you're joking, but still have a negative reaction to the joke, either because they wonder if there's a grain of truth to what you're saying or because they feel they haven't fully understood it. Also, they don't always make the connection between what you say and their bio. Additionally, some girls have very emotional responses to stuff they read. Their thought processes aren't always abstract enough to dissociate the images you elicit in her mind from the conversation you're having.

Quote:Sorry about that

"I think he's joking, but why would he say something like that? That's weird."

Quote:there are better apps for that

"There's definitely something off about this guy."

Quote:"Sorry I don't work for free"
"My time's a lot more valuable than that"

"WOW, what is he thinking?? This guy is so weird!!!"

I agree her personality is terrible, but you have to calibrate for stupid girls. You could have made your opener less prone to negative interpretations.

A rule of thumb that I try to follow is to always be positive, always try to evoke positive feelings. Saying I'm homeless - even if she gets the joke - would make her think of homeless people, poverty, etc. I don't know how brainy the girl is. Best to avoid anything controversial. It's just not the emotional reaction I'm going for.

More positive openers, if you're responding to her bio:

"You many not care what I do for a living but I bet you'd love what I do in my free time" say you make a killer taco, give good massages, play the guitar, etc.
"It's good that you don't care what I do, it's highly confidential" then imply you're a secret agent.
"I like that you're independent. I'll let you buy me a drink"

Post: #7703

(01-11-2019 12:45 PM)Black Caesar Wrote:  Dawg why get so anxious. If youre going to joke with a girl ("im homeless" "suga mama" "tacos as payment") then you have to keep rolling with that

Well pointed out, if he played out the homeless joke I could see it working.

"Haha sorry about that"
"Yeah, most of the time it's fine, but it's annoying when I take a shower and my cardboard boxes get wet"

The key here would be keeping it light hearted and obvious.

Post: #7704

Guys, I wouldn't have fucked this girl in a million years. I am the prize. If a girl wants to get me out on a date, she has to impress me, and I know this archetype top to bottom.

The opener was a troll for that reason.

I was just using it as an example of the "srs relashionship" type of girls that sign up every January.

Post: #7705

Guys, do you came across fake profiles? Of 6 matches today, 2 were fake ones. Got into conversation and idiots behind fake profile slipped up despite having put initial effort into being convincing real person. Some people really don't have anything smarter to do with their lives.

Post: #7706

Haven't run into fake profiles in about a year, Tinder has really improved their algorithm for detecting them.

Post: #7707

How does it detect fake profiles? Idiots just simply take picture of a random chick from google, write short bio and start swiping. Nothing suspicious at all until you get into conversation.

Post: #7708

IMO you have to dumb yourself down when talking to most chicks, even high IQ women in high skilled professions. Sex seems to make everyone dumber, especially women. You keep it simple, to the point and tone down the high level humor. Most chicks are so dull that they think spamming sarcasm makes them witty. Most chicks don't get puns, irony, or anything.

You're better off establishing your looks, talents and what separates you from every other dude. I save the wit and humor for in person and being in NYC. Even then I chill on the jokes.

Post: #7709

(01-11-2019 04:43 PM)sterling_archer Wrote:  How does it detect fake profiles? Idiots just simply take picture of a random chick from google, write short bio and start swiping. Nothing suspicious at all until you get into conversation.

There used to be programs available on https://www.blackhatworld.com/forums/ and the like that would auto-create a bunch of bots for you and spam out cam links. Those were very prevalent for several years on Tinder, but I assume some spam detection filters, and the fact that you have to verify with a real phone number, has gotten rid of them.

If you're talking about one person creating a catfish profile, that's a different story.

Post: #7710

I was reflecting upon my previous rant about photofeeler. It could actually be a very useful tool for online dating. I think that making a "test sample" of random dudes' scores ranging from soy-boys to models would be beneficial. Obviously one still would be rated by a different audience than on tinder but everyone could at least have some reference point. Is there any photofeeler thread on the forum? Nothing shows up in my search.

Post: #7711

Delibertly sabotaging yourself with bad game is not really treating yourself as the prize

Post: #7712

(01-11-2019 05:20 PM)EwartGrogan Wrote:  I was reflecting upon my previous rant about photofeeler. It could actually be a very useful tool for online dating. I think that making a "test sample" of random dudes' scores ranging from soy-boys to models would be beneficial. Obviously one still would be rated by a different audience than on tinder but everyone could at least have some reference point. Is there any photofeeler thread on the forum? Nothing shows up in my search.

Photofeeler to me is a joke man and i say this from a place of total ignorance, admittedly. You wanna know where you rank objectively then be prepared to be black pilled, just don't expect to be black pilled from me.

That said, you want to know which photos of yours are most attractive walk up to strange attractive woman and tell them you are newly divorced and putting together an online dating profile and ask for their opinion. You might just get a fucking date out of it if you don't come across as a complete dweeb. This is a surefire way to know what pictures you look the best in if you're conflicted.

Post: #7713

I think that photofeeler is quite accurate for rating girls. Take a normal, non-professional pic of a woman (clothed) and ask for 20 votes, the Attractiveness score seems to make sense.
Men are more difficult to rate because women differ widely in their tastes and they are influenced by many factors other than appearance. Depending on my picture I score from 2.7 to 9.6

Post: #7714

I'm experimenting with hinge at the moment because tinder is massively failing me. My wing is probably about the same level as attractiveness as me (speaking probably 6.5 or 7) although we're both tall and thin, but he's getting way better results--ie new leads nightly. It is either his photos or his bio (he is in a pretty masculine profession). Or he's willing to fuck fatties, but I am reluctant usually unless drunk.

I was getting no results at all on Hinge, but then I started getting results as soon as I sent offensive comments. Who knows what will happen, but I'm managing jack shit on tinder.

Post: #7715

(01-12-2019 02:06 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  I'm experimenting with hinge at the moment because tinder is massively failing me. My wing is probably about the same level as attractiveness as me (speaking probably 6.5 or 7) although we're both tall and thin, but he's getting way better results--ie new leads nightly. It is either his photos or his bio (he is in a pretty masculine profession). Or he's willing to fuck fatties, but I am reluctant usually unless drunk.

I was getting no results at all on Hinge, but then I started getting results as soon as I sent offensive comments. Who knows what will happen, but I'm managing jack shit on tinder.

The answer is in our PM conversation: your photos

Gotta put in the work to get better photos if you want to get the results.

Personally I will be completely redoing my image this year and getting all new, high-quality photos taken to go after a different archetype of girl. It's a lot of initial work but once you have the photos you can just coast for a couple years.

Post: #7716

(01-12-2019 02:06 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  I'm experimenting with hinge at the moment because tinder is massively failing me.

If any app is failing to get matches, it's your photos, hire someone or ask a friend to take better photos of you, personally I've found that having a common theme throughout the bio & photos helps massively in the match department.

Post: #7717

(01-12-2019 02:28 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 02:06 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  I'm experimenting with hinge at the moment because tinder is massively failing me. My wing is probably about the same level as attractiveness as me (speaking probably 6.5 or 7) although we're both tall and thin, but he's getting way better results--ie new leads nightly. It is either his photos or his bio (he is in a pretty masculine profession). Or he's willing to fuck fatties, but I am reluctant usually unless drunk.

I was getting no results at all on Hinge, but then I started getting results as soon as I sent offensive comments. Who knows what will happen, but I'm managing jack shit on tinder.

The answer is in our PM conversation: your photos

Gotta put in the work to get better photos if you want to get the results.

Personally I will be completely redoing my image this year and getting all new, high-quality photos taken to go after a different archetype of girl. It's a lot of initial work but once you have the photos you can just coast for a couple years.

Online dating is completely pointless unless you have good pics.

^ Get female opinions (girls you have fucked/want to fuck)
If you know no females use photofeeler as a starting point before uploading to Tinder

Post: #7718

tinder subscription im trying to restore says linked to another account. Any advice you all can give to resolve this issue?

Post: #7719

How do you deal with when girls agree to a date quickly but logistics talk takes too long and without the build up of attraction and comfort it actually kills the convo?

Me: Never wash that jumper
Her: Haha from time to time, it needs to be washed
Me: Can't risk to lose the crimson red colour
Me: Hows the revision breakdowns going?
Her: Haha not really! I love the red colour . It is going there but too slowly! What about you? Luckily I only have 3 istead of 5 exams to write
Me: Revision is just soul destroying, lets share a bottle of wine instead
Her: great idea. Let's do that!
Her: When?
Me: You feeling spontaneous tonight?
Her: I'm quite tired from studying today :/ What about tomorrow evening?
Me: I'm going out of town and will only be back after 10pm
Her: What are you doing? Otherwise Monday evening?
Me: Doing X. Monday works, msg me your number and I'll text you later

I've had this happen few times and it never leads to anything. I reckon in cases like this, at the point where she says "When?", I should say:
"Send me your number, I want to talk on the phone to make sure you aren't a old man cat fishing" and then talk to her on the phone for a bit.

Post: #7720

(01-12-2019 06:45 PM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  How do you deal with when girls agree to a date quickly but logistics talk takes too long and without the build up of attraction and comfort it actually kills the convo?

Me: Never wash that jumper
Her: Haha from time to time, it needs to be washed
Me: Can't risk to lose the crimson red colour
Me: Hows the revision breakdowns going?
Her: Haha not really! I love the red colour . It is going there but too slowly! What about you? Luckily I only have 3 istead of 5 exams to write
Me: Revision is just soul destroying, lets share a bottle of wine instead
Her: great idea. Let's do that!
Her: When?
Me: You feeling spontaneous tonight?
Her: I'm quite tired from studying today :/ What about tomorrow evening?
Me: I'm going out of town and will only be back after 10pm
Her: What are you doing? Otherwise Monday evening?
Me: Doing X. Monday works, msg me your number and I'll text you later

I've had this happen few times and it never leads to anything. I reckon in cases like this, at the point where she says "When?", I should say:
"Send me your number, I want to talk on the phone to make sure you aren't a old man cat fishing" and then talk to her on the phone for a bit.

ask her when she's available and coordinate your schedule around hers

Post: #7721

(01-12-2019 07:10 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:45 PM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  How do you deal with when girls agree to a date quickly but logistics talk takes too long and without the build up of attraction and comfort it actually kills the convo?

Me: Never wash that jumper
Her: Haha from time to time, it needs to be washed
Me: Can't risk to lose the crimson red colour
Me: Hows the revision breakdowns going?
Her: Haha not really! I love the red colour . It is going there but too slowly! What about you? Luckily I only have 3 istead of 5 exams to write
Me: Revision is just soul destroying, lets share a bottle of wine instead
Her: great idea. Let's do that!
Her: When?
Me: You feeling spontaneous tonight?
Her: I'm quite tired from studying today :/ What about tomorrow evening?
Me: I'm going out of town and will only be back after 10pm
Her: What are you doing? Otherwise Monday evening?
Me: Doing X. Monday works, msg me your number and I'll text you later

I've had this happen few times and it never leads to anything. I reckon in cases like this, at the point where she says "When?", I should say:
"Send me your number, I want to talk on the phone to make sure you aren't a old man cat fishing" and then talk to her on the phone for a bit.

ask her when she's available and coordinate your schedule around hers

Agreed. I really like the question "what's your schedule like?"

Post: #7722

(01-12-2019 09:03 PM)corsega Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 07:10 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  

(01-12-2019 06:45 PM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  How do you deal with when girls agree to a date quickly but logistics talk takes too long and without the build up of attraction and comfort it actually kills the convo?

Me: Never wash that jumper
Her: Haha from time to time, it needs to be washed
Me: Can't risk to lose the crimson red colour
Me: Hows the revision breakdowns going?
Her: Haha not really! I love the red colour . It is going there but too slowly! What about you? Luckily I only have 3 istead of 5 exams to write
Me: Revision is just soul destroying, lets share a bottle of wine instead
Her: great idea. Let's do that!
Her: When?
Me: You feeling spontaneous tonight?
Her: I'm quite tired from studying today :/ What about tomorrow evening?
Me: I'm going out of town and will only be back after 10pm
Her: What are you doing? Otherwise Monday evening?
Me: Doing X. Monday works, msg me your number and I'll text you later

I've had this happen few times and it never leads to anything. I reckon in cases like this, at the point where she says "When?", I should say:
"Send me your number, I want to talk on the phone to make sure you aren't a old man cat fishing" and then talk to her on the phone for a bit.

ask her when she's available and coordinate your schedule around hers

Agreed. I really like the question "what's your schedule like?"

4 words: When are you free?

Post: #7723

(01-12-2019 06:45 PM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  How do you deal with when girls agree to a date quickly but logistics talk takes too long and without the build up of attraction and comfort it actually kills the convo?

Me: Never wash that jumper
Her: Haha from time to time, it needs to be washed
Me: Can't risk to lose the crimson red colour
Me: Hows the revision breakdowns going?
Her: Haha not really! I love the red colour . It is going there but too slowly! What about you? Luckily I only have 3 istead of 5 exams to write
Me: Revision is just soul destroying, lets share a bottle of wine instead
Her: great idea. Let's do that!
Her: When?
Me: You feeling spontaneous tonight?
Her: I'm quite tired from studying today :/ What about tomorrow evening?
Me: I'm going out of town and will only be back after 10pm
Her: What are you doing? Otherwise Monday evening?
Me: Doing X. Monday works, msg me your number and I'll text you later

I've had this happen few times and it never leads to anything. I reckon in cases like this, at the point where she says "When?", I should say:
"Send me your number, I want to talk on the phone to make sure you aren't a old man cat fishing" and then talk to her on the phone for a bit.

Call them.

Post: #7724

(01-12-2019 07:10 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  ask her when she's available and coordinate your schedule around hers

(01-12-2019 09:43 PM)robreke Wrote:  4 words: When are you free?

I usually do this but in that scenario, I would not be free until 6 days after hence tried to get the same night date. I find it's difficult balance to maintain worthwhile contact to ensure she doesn't flake while not texting too often in those 6 days.

In the end she did answer, we set up a date as I managed to find a time but she's already given flake potential due to exams.

(01-13-2019 12:00 AM)Salesian Wrote:  Call them.

Recently, I have tried this approach a few times and have failed miserably. It's probably due to the way I go about it, but I can't get them to answer the phone no matter what. I have tried some of the stuff that guy from playingfire website uses to get them on the phone:

"Call me back, I want to make sure you aren't an old man catfishing"

or "Lets have a quick call to see if we vibe well"

They come up with excuses as to why they didn't answer and then avoid the, "call me back when you get the chance" or "When's better to call you" until the texting becomes dead.

I'll keep trying though, as I feel like getting them on the phone will improve my results (I feel more confident speaking than texting).

Post: #7725

(01-14-2019 08:15 AM)coffeedrinker Wrote:  Recently, I have tried this approach a few times and have failed miserably. It's probably due to the way I go about it, but I can't get them to answer the phone no matter what. I have tried some of the stuff that guy from playingfire website uses to get them on the phone:

"Call me back, I want to make sure you aren't an old man catfishing"

or "Lets have a quick call to see if we vibe well"

They come up with excuses as to why they didn't answer and then avoid the, "call me back when you get the chance" or "When's better to call you" until the texting becomes dead.

I'll keep trying though, as I feel like getting them on the phone will improve my results (I feel more confident speaking than texting).

I FaceTime and send voice messages, a few of my girl friends have said it's weird to do voice notes and you should call but I've found that leaving a voice note is nicer than a call, not so much pressure in the response from the girl and then you get it up to FaceTime but that's if you've not been on a date yet, once you've been on a date or two, a call shouldn't be hard to muster just like FaceTime