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(01-24-2019 07:31 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  Any update on followliker/ recent experiences. I'm looking to buy it this weekend... I think it will give me the motivation to start living a more photoworthy lifestyle too.

Did have follow monkey and jarvee- they are great- monkey was a bit crazy but jarvee is solid.

Just signed up for instantical and dropped it- super low quality follows/no API, dudes, fatties, mexicans, married and you have to give them your pw, no panel to see what the hell is going on. total crap. easy way to get banned.
01-25-2019 05:58 PM
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(01-24-2019 03:53 PM)wp960 Wrote:  Is there a tool to check followers that are ghosts (they never like any posts)- every tool I have tried doesn't work- it seems to time out.

I use Followers - Unfollowers: https://play.google.com/store/apps/detai...nfollowers

I have 3,000 followers and it works just fine (sometimes it fails with video posts).
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01-26-2019 02:14 PM
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Bought followerliker today, starting with 150 followers, 62 following. Updates to follow.
01-26-2019 03:33 PM
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I'm up to 2000 followers so it's time to discontinue my bot, Gram Multitool 2 is $10 a month and works pretty well. Kinda of a RAM hog after a while but just restart it weekly.

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I'm still using Instantical - followers still climbing about 1k per month but botted likes seem to have dropped from 500 per post to almost zero making my recent photos look low quality in terms of likes.

With customer service not responding, does anyone know a good cheap service that also provides botted likes?

(01-25-2019 05:58 PM)wp960 Wrote:  Did have follow monkey and jarvee- they are great- monkey was a bit crazy but jarvee is solid.

Just signed up for instantical and dropped it- super low quality follows/no API, dudes, fatties, mexicans, married and you have to give them your pw, no panel to see what the hell is going on. total crap. easy way to get banned.

Did you find a better alternative to instantical? Any of which boost likes?

(01-26-2019 04:13 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  I'm up to 2000 followers so it's time to discontinue my bot, Gram Multitool 2 is $10 a month and works pretty well. Kinda of a RAM hog after a while but just restart it weekly.


Does Gram Multitool boost likes?
01-28-2019 06:27 AM
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So I heard facebook instagram and whatsapp are merging their messaging systems.

this could be huge for fb and insta game imo.
01-31-2019 06:31 PM
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(01-31-2019 06:31 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  So I heard facebook instagram and whatsapp are merging their messaging systems.

this could be huge for fb and insta game imo.

Sounds like a net negative I don't want boomers, parents, and more men on instagram.

Troubling news, and will only hasten decline of insta.
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^No.. What I understood the rumor to be is that facebook and insta will be adopting whatsapp's far superior messaging infrastructure.
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Is it me or is getting the bang becoming increasingly more cumbersome?
02-02-2019 08:52 AM
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I'm up 200 followers first week, trying to keep the growth slow initially. I got a shadow ban the other day for 24 hours and it fucked up the follow trend I was on.
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I've been using IG for just a couple weeks and I can already see how it can be a game-changer. I worry about getting addicted to it though.

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After over a year since the thread has started, I think it is time for a strategic update on Instagram game. My thoughts on this topic have changed significantly over the past year in response to my experiences, and I wanted to consolidate my thoughts into one post. This is based both on my personal experiences, as well as ideas that other posters have brought up on this thread.

*** Updated thoughts on IG game as of early 2019 ***

Broadly, I think that the standard for what constitutes a "good Instagram profile" has changed. This is due to several factors.

1) The bar for quality content on IG has increased.
-- Per TechCrunch, there are now >1 billion active users on IG compared to 600 million at end of 2016. That is over 400 million extra people with a profile posting content.
-- In general, quality of content has improved significantly especially among men. Even in 2015-2016, there weren't a lot of guys who had a good sense of photos and creating a story through their profile. This is no longer the case.
-- Due to this, it has become harder to gain followers, whether organically or through automation. Even in places like Thailand or the Philippines, areas where many of the automation apps follow people since the follow-back rate is high, it is harder to gain followers. A white American guy on IG with a cool lifestyle was once a novelty in these places. Not anymore. Good luck getting to 50k followers with automation, it'll take years.
-- Finally, in combo with changes in the IG algorithm that decides when your posts are displayed to followers, engagement has gone down across the board. It is much harder to get organic engagement now. I've seen this mentioned on this thread from multiple reputable members, and it has happened to me as well. So I know its a real thing.

2) The way that women judge IG value has also changed
-- As I and others have said before, engagement is important to balance out a high follower count. This has always been needed but I would say it is more important now than ever. Women will look through a guy's photos, and if he has 4,000 followers but 60 likes/pic, they'll immediately know something is off.
-- There are MANY more people using automation now than even 6 months ago. I get followed by random profiles multiples times per day that later unfollow me. Far more women are aware that automation exists as a way to grow a following.
-- Even if a girl can't exactly pinpoint whether your profile is fully real or artificial, she is going to be more suspicious of it in general due to the prevalence of automation.
-- Its hard to describe this fully, but in casual conversations with younger girls that I know, I've specifically noticed that follower count doesn't have the same cachet. It is just no longer rare for a guy to have several thousand followers and decent pictures.

The result? Follower count is harder to accumulate, and even if accompanied with good quality "lifestyle" content, it no longer has the same value that it used to. There are a handful exceptions to this rule (described below), but for somebody who is starting out on IG or is looking to improve their profile, going the traditional FollowLiker route is not necessarily the best path anymore.

Here are my thoughts on how you can remain successful with IG:

1) If you truly have a niche that you really nail, your profile can still have significant value/DHV. Thing is that it cannot be half-assed. You need to really focus the profile exclusively on that and it needs to be something unique, where you're competing against 1% of men or less. I have a profile that I've been slowly building on the side with a very specific niche; when I get to ~800 followers I will start sharing with women instead of my regular profile and see if I notice a difference in reactions.

2) If you actually become "insta-famous" (think 50k+ followers with thousands of likes/pic), you will likely get a ton of pussy. This is the major exception where follower count does matter. However, this is only slightly easier than actually becoming famous. Everybody is trying to create their own entertaining angle on IG so competition is ultra-high. I don't think its the best use of time, but if you figure a way out, feel free to post some tips. I know a guy who has some local insta-fame associated with the nightlife scene, and he gets cold DMs from hot girls every day.

3) If you have a profile that you have already built to 2-10k followers mainly through automation, but you're seeing poor engagement (5% or less/pic), you can improve the look in a combination of two things. I've done this myself.
-- First, you can increase likes through engagement groups. I'm happy to join any engagement groups with repped members, but there are also several public groups that anybody can join (can PM me for link, otherwise I think its someplace in this thread). The idea is that you like other people's pics and they like yours, thus boosting your likes. Problem is that there's a limit to how much you can use it unless you're willing to put in a ton of effort (ie: if you need to get your pic from 50 likes to 200, you'll need to like 150 people's pictures to get 150 likes).
-- Second, you can cut down your follower count. As I said earlier, there really isn't a difference nowadays between having 8k and 2k followers. If you cut down to 2k, that is far less engagement group work that you need to do to have a reasonable engagement rate on your profile.

4) If you are completely new to IG, didn't have the advantage of using social media in hs/college, and can't find a really unique niche, here is how I would go about now.
-- Get your profile to ~500-1,200 followers, while following slightly less people than follow you. While I know I just said that follower count isn't as important nowadays, having 40 followers makes you look like you have no friends. Basically anybody who goes to college in the US and uses IG will accumulate that many followers naturally, so that should be the goal. Do this through a combo of following people you know, and automation if you need to fill the balance. After that point, let your profile grow naturally.
-- If your engagement is <10% (best to aim higher than 5% when you have less followers), you can use engagement groups to fill the gap. This should be pretty easy since you'll only need a few dozen likes at most. You may not even need to use them when you know most the people who follow you! I back-calculate that I get a 20%+ engagement from people who I actually know and less than 2% from those who I don't.
-- Post content that shows off the best aspects of the life you actually life. A good rule of thumb is embellish, don't fake. Everybody shows off a bit on IG, and there's nothing wrong with doing it if you can back it up. ~2/3 of your pics should include you in them (combination of you alone, with friends, or with women) while the balance can be landscape shots, nightlife, food, or anything else. Try to avoid repeating the same type of photo too many times. Posting 1-2x/wk + 5-10 stories/wk is fine.

5) Once you have a profile that fits one of the guidelines above, you can give your IG to girls strategically.
-- The best time to get an IG is when you know you won't see her for a long period of time (ie: you're going on vaca, or she lives in another city). That way, you remain in front of her in a passive way which just isn't possible with a phone number.
-- On the other hand, if you're trying to meet this girl within the next week, it is better to get a number. There's no need to over complicate shit with IG.

If anybody has any thoughts or disagreements, feel free to share. I think having a good IG profile is really important, and I continue to adjust as the times change.
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https://www.sfgate.com/technology/busine...598226.php

For guys like that use Instagram is BAD news... after 24 hours the Stories analytics are gone now...The number of girls that I have been able to "re-target" due was invaluable

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With a bot I have gone to 4500 follower and have som ok fotos.I started direct messages to girls know. The problem is, they dont even get read. I have asked a friend and she told me that she got dm all the time and she justs deletes them without looking at their profile. So it doesnt even matter if my account is good or bad.
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It's been about 2 weeks or so since I started followliker. I'm up 450 followers, getting lots of likes now on my content, and engagement as well.

I'm sure I should be doing better on number of followers... What gives?
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(02-09-2019 03:47 PM)Tikimalore Wrote:  With a bot I have gone to 4500 follower and have som ok fotos.I started direct messages to girls know. The problem is, they dont even get read. I have asked a friend and she told me that she got dm all the time and she justs deletes them without looking at their profile. So it doesnt even matter if my account is good or bad.

Agreed with this, though it also depends on the girl you're DMing. Realized I didn't talk about this in my earlier post so will expand my thoughts here.

- If you follow a girl and she does not follow you back, your DM will go into a "message requests" folder. Especially if she is your typical college or fitness thot who has 1000+ followers, she will almost certainly never read your message. She's getting 10 of them per day. I'd equate the chance of a reply similar to the chance of matching with a girl you swipe right on Tinder. You miss every shot you don't take, just don't have your hopes up.

- If the girl you follow ends up following you back, and then you trade some likes back and forth, feel free to shoot her a DM. There's a good chance that she will reply to you.

(02-09-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  It's been about 2 weeks or so since I started followliker. I'm up 450 followers, getting lots of likes now on my content, and engagement as well.

I'm sure I should be doing better on number of followers... What gives?

That is pretty good for 2 weeks. Don't worry about trying to get thousands of followers over night, if you turn your settings up too aggressively, you can easily get banned. From what I understand, the IG algo is pretty good at detecting new accounts that immediately start running automation, so just keep growing slow and steady.
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can anyone explain what a shadow ban is and the details of the symptoms
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(02-10-2019 09:35 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  can anyone explain what a shadow ban is and the details of the symptoms

Shadowbanning is the act of blocking a user's content on social media sites, in such a way that the user doesn't know it's happening. If you're shadowbanned on Instagram, your content won't appear on anyone's feed unless they already follow you.

There's an easy trick to figure out if your account is shadowbanned. First, post an image with a hashtag that isn't often used. (If you post an image with a hashtag that has millions of posts associated with it, it will be hard to see if your content is hidden from a shadowban, or simply from competition).

Once you've posted something with a certain hashtag, ask five Instagram users who don't follow you to search that hashtag. If none of them see your post under the hashtag, its likely you've been shadowbanned.

Source: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/instagram-shadowban
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(02-10-2019 09:53 PM)alephito Wrote:  
(02-10-2019 09:35 PM)Prince Charming Wrote:  can anyone explain what a shadow ban is and the details of the symptoms

Shadowbanning is the act of blocking a user's content on social media sites, in such a way that the user doesn't know it's happening. If you're shadowbanned on Instagram, your content won't appear on anyone's feed unless they already follow you.

There's an easy trick to figure out if your account is shadowbanned. First, post an image with a hashtag that isn't often used. (If you post an image with a hashtag that has millions of posts associated with it, it will be hard to see if your content is hidden from a shadowban, or simply from competition).

Once you've posted something with a certain hashtag, ask five Instagram users who don't follow you to search that hashtag. If none of them see your post under the hashtag, its likely you've been shadowbanned.

Source: https://blog.hubspot.com/marketing/instagram-shadowban

I think also you can try following some random, and if it doesn't let you, that's basically indicative of a shadowban.
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(02-08-2019 04:55 PM)RDF Wrote:  ~2/3 of your pics should include you in them (combination of you alone, with friends, or with women) while the balance can be landscape shots, nightlife, food, or anything else.

@RDF - Thanks for the detailed advice.

Regarding this rule of thumb - I have a new profile in the travel photography niche. I post a pic of myself roughly every 7 posts, and the rest are landscapes, interesting people etc. Doing this, I get a good engagement when following other profiles in the travel and photography niches. If I started posting my pic every 2/3 posts it would basically mean changing the profile's niche, and hurting engagement and followback rate.
Would you say that such a profile that is not fully focused on showcasing a lifestyle can still be viable for game purposes?
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Anybody using Retention Panel for their likes, comments, etc ?

It stopped working for me recently for Instagram ...not sure about the other platforms like FB, YouTube, etc

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(03-02-2019 01:28 PM)Tribunus Wrote:  @RDF - Thanks for the detailed advice.

Regarding this rule of thumb - I have a new profile in the travel photography niche. I post a pic of myself roughly every 7 posts, and the rest are landscapes, interesting people etc. Doing this, I get a good engagement when following other profiles in the travel and photography niches. If I started posting my pic every 2/3 posts it would basically mean changing the profile's niche, and hurting engagement and followback rate.
Would you say that such a profile that is not fully focused on showcasing a lifestyle can still be viable for game purposes?

I think you're fine keeping your profile the way it is assuming that you have high overall engagement (ie: 5%+ of your followers like your pics). As long as you are including some pics of you, which makes it personable when showing your profile to a girl, it is definitely viable for game.

The main point that I was trying to make is that the "lifestyle" profile (which has traditionally been the choice for IG on the forum) has become played out for the majority of people, especially those who are just starting out. Organic engagement is far lower, and girls care less about how many followers you have. If you haven't noticed a decline in engagement, then you can keep doing what you're doing.
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(02-10-2019 03:49 PM)RDF Wrote:  
(02-09-2019 03:47 PM)Tikimalore Wrote:  With a bot I have gone to 4500 follower and have som ok fotos.I started direct messages to girls know. The problem is, they dont even get read. I have asked a friend and she told me that she got dm all the time and she justs deletes them without looking at their profile. So it doesnt even matter if my account is good or bad.

Agreed with this, though it also depends on the girl you're DMing. Realized I didn't talk about this in my earlier post so will expand my thoughts here.

- If you follow a girl and she does not follow you back, your DM will go into a "message requests" folder. Especially if she is your typical college or fitness thot who has 1000+ followers, she will almost certainly never read your message. She's getting 10 of them per day. I'd equate the chance of a reply similar to the chance of matching with a girl you swipe right on Tinder. You miss every shot you don't take, just don't have your hopes up.

- If the girl you follow ends up following you back, and then you trade some likes back and forth, feel free to shoot her a DM. There's a good chance that she will reply to you.

(02-09-2019 05:48 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  It's been about 2 weeks or so since I started followliker. I'm up 450 followers, getting lots of likes now on my content, and engagement as well.

I'm sure I should be doing better on number of followers... What gives?

That is pretty good for 2 weeks. Don't worry about trying to get thousands of followers over night, if you turn your settings up too aggressively, you can easily get banned. From what I understand, the IG algo is pretty good at detecting new accounts that immediately start running automation, so just keep growing slow and steady.

Ok thanks, that makes sense. I dm girls who didnt follow me, because they live in my city. I have conversations with girls who follow me but dont live in my city, which makes them useless for me.
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Interesting thread.
Just wanted to add my 2 cents from my infield experience.

Backround:
I've been gaming since late 2014, after watching PIMP by rsdjulien.
(sidenote: saw this guy's youtube recently. lol wtf happened?!)
I've been doing at least 3 daygame approaches per day consistently for the last 3 years, and occasionally nightgame on the weekends.

I use Instagram only for these sets, instead of number closing. I never open/dm chicks I've never met before. Had a few cases of chicks opening me on IG.

My "InstaStats" are: following~30(my brother and a few cousins, some colleagues, a few workout/training accounts, a few famous models/hot chicks, some nature accounts), followers~300(most are people who know me from social circle, business, game, and some random accounts), I post (high quality/DSLR) 1-2 pics per month, 1-2 stories per week, I have ~ 10 IG-TV videos (all are about social proof, preselection, traveling or "adventure type" of pics, and other type of DHVs), likes~150-250, comments = disabled on pics, ~10-20 on IG-TV videos. I have 3 highlight stories that I update every 3-6 months, and always gets me IRL comments from people who've seen them(one from traveling, one showing my gym gainz in a non aspie way, and one showing preselection + having fun).


Observations:
Instagram is useful but not needed to game chicks who use insta. Most of the chicks I've banged have massively more popular accounts than mine, and it doesn't matter. I would say you need a "bare minimum" of good presence.

I never follow chicks who I want to bang/have banged. This seems obvious to me for someone who's game/hypergamy aware, but apparenty it's not. Huh

Voice is by far the best mode of communication. Better than video.
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