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Are women really hypergamous?
I've spent a lot of time in the 'sphere. All of this time has relayed the common message: women are hypergamous, they will leave their current partner for a better man. The better looking, taller, richer, more suave man will have women with average boyfriends swooning for him.

I went through my early and mid twenties as a guy with slightly above average SMV, bitterly thinking that women were all passing up on me for higher level guys.

Once I became that guy that I thought women were hypergamous for, I started to see a different picture. I've interacted with a decent amount of women with boyfriends, flings, friends with benefits. I've never gotten any of them to cheat, even though in almost every case, I have more on paper than their current man.

I would think that if women were so hypergamous, they would only reject me for a man with better looks, taller, more money, better lifestyle. But this is never the case. The guy always seems to be a slightly above average looking guy, no real career to speak of, not worldly, living at home or some small town.

Based on my dating experience, I actually think that women are more lazy than hypergamous. They'd rather go with a safe, mediocre option from their social circle than take a risk with a much better guy from cold approach, Instagram, dating apps.

My sample size is young 18-25 year old women, some in NYC but primarily NJ and other NYC suburbs.

Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?

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07-30-2019 10:33 PM
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(07-30-2019 10:33 PM)Graft Wrote:  I've spent a lot of time in the 'sphere. All of this time has relayed the common message: women are hypergamous, they will leave their current partner for a better man. The better looking, taller, richer, more suave man will have women with average boyfriends swooning for him.

I went through my early and mid twenties as a guy with slightly above average SMV, bitterly thinking that women were all passing up on me for higher level guys.

Once I became that guy that I thought women were hypergamous for, I started to see a different picture. I've interacted with a decent amount of women with boyfriends, flings, friends with benefits. I've never gotten any of them to cheat, even though in almost every case, I have more on paper than their current man.

I would think that if women were so hypergamous, they would only reject me for a man with better looks, taller, more money, better lifestyle. But this is never the case. The guy always seems to be a slightly above average looking guy, no real career to speak of, not worldly, living at home or some small town.

Based on my dating experience, I actually think that women are more lazy than hypergamous. They'd rather go with a safe, mediocre option from their social circle than take a risk with a much better guy from cold approach, Instagram, dating apps.

My sample size is young 18-25 year old women, some in NYC but primarily NJ and other NYC suburbs.

Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?

The orthodox manosphere take would be that the women you're talking about are with their nice, boring boyfriends and husbands for stability ("beta bux") but are getting banged out by Chad and Tyrone on the side ("alpha fux"). I can't say whether this is the rule or the exception, but it does seem to play out that way IRL a lot of the time.

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Ive noticed this as well. Many women seem to want to date a man they can easily control by beating him down amd making him think he has no other options.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
^ That’s the ugly sisters v the Cinderella phenomenon or the ugly duckling story. In heterosexual relationships it’s called gas lighting.

Younger men are especially at risk from this. A 20 year old man is not only less experienced than a 20 year old woman but owing to women delaying marriage, he is a decade adrift from the MMP where the Beta qualities he was probably brought up to have will have some currency.

The SMP will cause young men to undervalue themselves and overvalue 4s and 5s because these days female 4s have more sexual options than a male 7.

Don't spend all your energy on sex and all your money on women; they have destroyed kings. (Proverbs 31:3 GNB)
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
I'm about a 5.5-6 in looks (normie), and the only women that give me obvious thirst are 3s and 4s.

A decade ago (I haven't aged much), it was 5s and 6s.
07-31-2019 02:39 AM
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Hypergamy pertains not only to the job/pure looks part of the equation. That is ridiculous even. A male 7 with a good job and no Game won't make anyone wet except a 31yo woman looking for a husband because she fucked enough Chads in her 20s. And even then - it won't make her wet, just willing to "settle" with your ass who she considers boring.

Hypergamy pertains to the aggregate behaviors of women and is always valid, but the actual manifestation may be missed by guys since it's not be viewed on the autistic spectrum. If hypergamy were not real then women would not initiate 75%-90% of divorces (75% themselves and 10-15% extra cheating trying to get a better man and husband finding out). If your anti-Red Pill theory was true then the divorce initiation would be 50-50. It's just that female nature is unsatisfied as she wants what other women have. In a way even this keeping-up-with-the-Johnsons is an evolved trait in women that lets our species advance as women neg their men and want "something better". In the past it was the stronger guy with the bigger cave and more furs, now it's a combination of factors.

Though obviously women also bond with men on an emotional, sexual level - not all are calculated. Hypergamy is more an instinct in women just as our instinct is to bang every hot woman we see, but most men don't do that - and sane societies restrict both male as well as female instincts . But that does not mean that our instincts are not real or don't exist. If we could, then most of us would have harems of 100+ women on top of our wives. The same with women - but their hypergamy has strong restrictions in real life. A male 6 with a worse job than yours, but who makes her laugh or has something going for him - that is enough for her. That does not mean that her hypergamous nature may not want something better - and who knows - she may divorce his ass in her late 30s right on cue.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Yeah I've not really seen a strong case for the hypergamy argument either. I think if you're a decent enough dude with your fundamentals together, it's rare that women will leave you to 'trade up'. That's not to say they won't leave you for someone else on a whim.

I think it's one of those myths women are happy to propagate because it raises their own value; similar to the 'myth' that they all have ludicrously high standards. It all sounds logical, but comes down to actions over words. When you see the same girl dating a shy, broke guy with no financial prospects just a couple weeks after she was spouting how picky and that no man is good enough, you start to draw a different picture.

I agree with OP, women are more lazy than hypergamous and tend to date whoever is nearby and convenient; rather than taking the effort and risk to chase uber high value men. Women derive more social value out of dating than men do and, for many, it's more important for them to have a partner who is compatible with their friend circles etc; than it is they date the hottest and richest guy around.

I think a lot of cheating/relationship hopping in younger couples occurs when the girl moves into new social groups. As they seek status in a new group that they want to be a part of a good way of doing so is shacking up with one of the guys in it. Is that hypergamy? maybe; but it's often more complicated and context dependent.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
I think that the traditional argument for how "hypergamy" manifests itself (woman ditches her mediocre boyfriend/husband for another one with higher SMV) is overly simplistic. It can happen that way too, of course, but it usually happens in a few other ways.

One thing I've witnessed is girls slowly ending things with their boyfriend when a better option (or perhaps several better options) becomes available. I've never had a girl blatantly cheat on her dude with me, yet there's been several times when I made it clear I was interested, and boom, 2 months later she's suddenly single and hitting me up. Most likely there were several different men who expressed interest, and she realized that there's better available options out there. It isn't as blatant as just cheating and going with another dude, but it's basically the same thing.

Another thing that is very common nowadays: Girls essentially spinning plates. I know plenty of girls who are "dating" multiple different guys, not really committing to any of them though not actively blowing them off, and are also going out to bars/clubs where they make themselves available to the right suitor. These girls are doing it with the goal to eventually commit to the guy who is their best option per SMV. Of course, awareness of the biological clock today is at an all-time low and by the time they wake up, many of their top options are gone. That's a separate topic. The point is that their goal remains to maximize their final choice.

In my view, both of these are examples of hypergamy - women never being fully satisfied and looking to move up.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
"Hypergamy does not exist"

Women of Tinder:

"80% of men are classified as below average in looks."
"Top 18% get 70% of the messages"
"Top 2% get 100 times more than a guy in the top 20% and the women throw their pussy at them while the Male 7 would get a "meh""

Nothing to see here.... absolutely nothing.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(07-30-2019 10:33 PM)Graft Wrote:  I've spent a lot of time in the 'sphere. All of this time has relayed the common message: women are hypergamous, they will leave their current partner for a better man. The better looking, taller, richer, more suave man will have women with average boyfriends swooning for him.

I went through my early and mid twenties as a guy with slightly above average SMV, bitterly thinking that women were all passing up on me for higher level guys.

Once I became that guy that I thought women were hypergamous for, I started to see a different picture. I've interacted with a decent amount of women with boyfriends, flings, friends with benefits. I've never gotten any of them to cheat, even though in almost every case, I have more on paper than their current man.

I would think that if women were so hypergamous, they would only reject me for a man with better looks, taller, more money, better lifestyle. But this is never the case. The guy always seems to be a slightly above average looking guy, no real career to speak of, not worldly, living at home or some small town.

Based on my dating experience, I actually think that women are more lazy than hypergamous. They'd rather go with a safe, mediocre option from their social circle than take a risk with a much better guy from cold approach, Instagram, dating apps.

My sample size is young 18-25 year old women, some in NYC but primarily NJ and other NYC suburbs.

Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?

Hypergamy is a factor for sure. The less red-pilled women (including older ones in their 30's & 40's) that don't have kids will be more likely to want to be stimulated & constantly entertained (not unlike their 20-something counterparts). The ones that are divorced but in particular the ones that have kids may have a different perspective.

As others pointed out, there are a lot of factors at play. What kinds of social circles does the woman have access to (and which circles do you roll in?), do you guys have shared interests, and do you have the resources to wine/dine her & maybe take her out on some trips? The hubby-hunters may be examining your potential to start a household on the other hand. End of the day this will all cost money. And more than money, a lot of these women tend to extract a lot of your time. From my understanding, you're one of those guys with an upward trajectory that is getting a little bit older & may be getting burned out of the "game" so to speak. So be careful out there lol. Some of these gals are leeches & vampires that may detract you from your higher purpose.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
@Agree with SS.

Some in this thread are thinking too logically.

She is hypergamous according to her own personal standards, not to yours.

Women go for the best they think they can get according to their own bizarre standards which sometimes coincides with society's and sometimes not.

Women's logic is fruity to the extreme, even the smart ones.

You may class yourself higher in SMV than her boyfriend, but who knows, you may have thick wrists, which she hates, and has told no one.

She can even turn on a dime about what she thinks is higher SMV. One minute a guy is boring, and the next minute he smiles at a webcam of baby ospreys, which she hearts, and now they have a connection she never knew about but just discovered.

I remember arguing with a guy online who was going on to a Romanian dating site because according to his definition of market value, he was higher (Better job, better country, owned a house) than the men in her country. When he got no offers, he thought it disproved hypergamy.

His definition not hers.

She probably had her heart melt when she saw a Slav squatting near his car. And this dude wasn't going to do that.

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
^ yep I add my voice to this: way too much logic being attributed to women here. OP consider this: Time for women is the equivalent of time for an inmate who' s sentenced to Life without parole. She'll "eventually" Trade up if she wants to... But no one knows when... not even herself!

Patrice O'Neal had an interesting theory on this one. The time it takes for a woman to completely Beta up a man... is the same time she'll stay with him to enjoy him being a complete pussy shell of a man!

Yep I fully understand this... but it's still hard to fathom even after 7 years in the Game! Basically understanding women is simply acknowledging that you'll never fully understand their choices... ever!

That's why even with the shif of the forum... Game understanding is a must for Men... period!
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
I don't think women are that difficult to understand, once you stop idolizing them.

If you try to apply good intentions to everything they do, you will be forever confused.

If you try to apply common sense to what they do, the same.

You also have to understand that no matter how much they deny it, much of what they do is a reaction to what you are doing, so if you try to apply the idea that they are independent creatures coming up with their own ideas internally, again, confusion.

I think one of their greatest fears is that one day you will be on to them and won't like them anymore, so they constantly try to one up you in any way they can to keep you confused, on the defensive, and feeling like they are superior to you morally.

That's why guys like WIA and YaReally always talk about them being silly little girls. If you adopt this mindset, you stop worrying if this or that girl likes you or says something scandalous or hurtful because when a kid says it, it's silly or cute or in need of correction.

They are emotional thrill seekers (Thanks Archie) seeking out a whole range of emotions, not just good ones.

They know this is irresponsible, so they try to make up for it by creating all these daft moral rules and practices to make it seem like they have such high standards.

Blackdragon has written about this, how a girl he was dating wanted sex, but didn't want to seem like a slut, so instead of either just waiting, or just becoming comfortable with her sexuality, she made up a rule that he could only touch her left breast on a date.

This drives men crazy, but if you understand her, you know that she is one thing, and is trying to present herself as another, so she keeps having to come up with a daffy rationalization.

If you idolize her this makes no sense. If you don't, it does. She knows she is crazy, is insecure about it, so she is trying hide that from you by any means necessary.

If she can poke and prod and make you feel guilt or shame, you are diverted to your own feelings.

If she can confuse you, that is good too. She wants you to think she is mysterious, and to think she cannot be understood, so she does intentionally crazy things just to create this impression.

But once you know that she will instinctively throw weird things into conversations to confuse you, it isn't confusing anymore. It's just a dumb strategy.

I'm not saying I am an expert on this, not by any means. I have been having a kind of social awakening recently where I have been just talking to a lot of women recently all throughout the day, wherever I am, and when you see five different females do exactly the same thing to stymie you or shut you down, it loses all its power.

Similar to confusing you, simply opposing you is a reflex that most of them have. It is like a social algorithm that they do on autopilot, wanting the opposite of whatever you want, automatically. On a superficial level, it makes them seem intelligent, with a mind of their own.

A little deeper though and it is childish, a banal strategy, as if they are going to make you say, "Wow, she disagrees with me, she must be powerful and independent."

The only mysterious aspect of women is the rare moment when they seem to intuit exactly what you need, or what needs saying, at exactly the right moment, and either give it to you or say it to you.

This is mysterious, like a gift from God. No need to worry about that one though, it hardly ever happens, they are too busy protecting their ego-fragility.

I am right in the middle of picking up all sorts of reference experiences with all sorts of women right now, and it is a very exciting time.

I was having an interaction with a woman working at a dessert table last night, and I felt like a mind reader. I could predict each thing she was about to say.

She was working with a guy at the table, so I knew she was going to belittle him and try to convince him that I liked her better than I liked him. I called her on it in a playful way and she acted like she hadn't heard, which I later got her to admit she had done because what I said "didn't fall on her ears like she liked." She was trying to take credit for being a better worker than the guy she was with too.

It was all this weird, girly one-ups-man-ship designed to disguise her true character from the two men present.

If I had given her the benefit of the doubt that she was talking in good faith, or that she wasn't willing to lie to save face, or that she never would just pretend she didn't hear anything she couldn't answer, it would have confused the hell out of me.

It feels good to learn this shit, even if it is late in life and little by little.

I don't take these little clowns seriously anymore, and it is a lot of fun.

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
^Post Of The Day^

Brilliantly articulated debeguiled

I’ve written several times about how once you have that “aha” moment about women it’s like Neo in the matrix

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
@Graft

I would say the best way to look at the answer to this question would be this ...

In general, yes, all women are biologically wired for hypergamy

Does each woman feel a different intensity of desire for hypergamy, and beyond the desire, to act upon it? Probably.

But, easily more than 50% of women are going to date equal to their value and up if you give them the choice. The Tinder example used above is a good example (this definitely happens - if a woman has 200 offers for casual sex on tinder - you best believe she is choosing the 5 or 10 best guys ... including 'Chads' and also guys that might have a slight chance of turning into an LTR).

Your point about women being social animals and women being lazy is 100% true and has definitely matched my experienced (it's why feminism and socialism is so destructive to women too - women are far more fragile at heart on average than men - and to tell them otherwise and tell them they are strong and independent is just cruel and setting them up for failure and a life of lies - but that's a different story for another day). Women place social standing and how other people view them, and their own personal situation and well being above everything else. Once a woman is already in a relationship with a guy, no matter how average he is, there's incredibly low chances she goes off and messes around with a lone wolf alpha unless there are exceptional circumstances. How she will feel about herself afterwards (if she's a decent human), and the potential repercussions if anyone finds out, are too great. And, her leaving her current man for you places too much risk on her part - she will look like an idiot in front of her friends if it doesn't work out.

Women will take a better deal, but, not if it means they blow up their current situation, and potentially mess up their social standing, and lose their pride and ego in the process.

Many modern women absolutely want control and most of the benefits without sacrificing much or being lead by a strong man. And, I'm noticing more of them want weak men that will do what they say, and essentially be their accessory they can show off to their friends and family and on social media (although, most men don't know they are).

I raised this point about a year ago on this forum and most men had no idea what I was talking about (women placing social standing within their friend circles and amongst the people they know, and their own ego and need for control above money, looks, etc.).

It's the same concept for us as it is for women in a way - we might want something casual with a hot girl, but when it comes to an LTR, we have to look at more than that - what makes her dateable in the long term for us?

Women look at it in the same way, but with different factors of value.

While they are single, they might have complete hypergamy, and bang the hottest alphas and best looking and most charming men they can find. But, when it comes time to settle down, many have fragile egos, low self esteem, are lazy, and are surrounded by weak average friendship circles. You really think she wants an independent man coming in there and blowing that all up and making her look like a fool? No. From my experience, many women want the cookie cutter man when it comes to an LTR because it's just EASIER. There's less friction, things stay stable and everyone wins (even if she has to sacrifice some looks and alpha-ness in her partner)

It really does take a strong woman to date a red pill guy. Her friends might start asking her why he doesn't come to their gatherings much (because he's actually doing valuable sh*t with his life instead of gossiping), or why he does X instead of Y. Can she stand in her own convictions? Most women honestly can't. This is where the safe blue pill system thinking guy comes in.

There's also many variables to the above, such as:
*The girl herself individual blueprint of what she values
*Where is she at in her life mentally and physically? A 21 year old girl on average is going to want fun and is going to want to date up far more perhaps than a 29 year old hitting the wall who may start going for more 'stable' guys who offer something specific like a steady job (so she can have a family), and may not be the most high value guy in all other areas
*The environment she is in e.g. a small town where there are more repercussions for her actions and less options vs LA for example which is the complete opposite
*Whether she meets a man when she is young before being corrupted on social media, in the dating market by players, and has had a chance to build comfort and familiarity with him
*Plus other factors

Pure attraction and casual dating is one thing
But, social circles, relationships and bigger picture things are another.

As with everything in life, the rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper the more nuanced you get.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(07-30-2019 10:33 PM)Graft Wrote:  Based on my dating experience, I actually think that women are more lazy than hypergamous.
Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?

This is a trait of low quality women or SMALL TOWN WOMEN.

Unattractive women, women with mental issues, extremely low intelligence, personal problems and single moms. They are not hypergamous and will take what they can get.

The other type of woman is the "small town woman". Small town women tend to date guys they have grown up with or went to high school or college with. New Jersey (as well as the Midwest and ANY small town) is notorious for women like this.

If she doesn't know you from high school or college you are NOT on her radar and while she might show signs of attraction she has no interest in dating an outsider aka you.

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
from my experience women generally value emotional relevance the most. They want a guy who's better but not THAT much better because they want to have some power in the relationship. So 7s chase 8s. 9s chase 10s etc.

The girls that I tend to have the best dynamic with I'd give like 0.5 points lower then me on SMV scale.

GENERALLY.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(07-31-2019 06:37 PM)velkrum Wrote:  
(07-30-2019 10:33 PM)Graft Wrote:  Based on my dating experience, I actually think that women are more lazy than hypergamous.
Are they more lazy/comfortable than hypergamous?

This is a trait of low quality women or SMALL TOWN WOMEN.

Unattractive women, women with mental issues, extremely low intelligence, personal problems and single moms. They are not hypergamous and will take what they can get.

The other type of woman is the "small town woman". Small town women tend to date guys they have grown up with or went to high school or college with. New Jersey (as well as the Midwest and ANY small town) is notorious for women like this.

If she doesn't know you from high school or college you are NOT on her radar and while she might show signs of attraction she has no interest in dating an outsider aka you.

You mentioned women with mental issues. I have known some that are intelligent & earlier in their life these said women would have been considered to be youthful & conventionally hot. During those earlier years, they were as hypergamous as the next woman, but once they hit the dreaded wall they could no longer afford to be all that hypergamous any more.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Yes women are hypergamous. Do short men have a harder time getting laid then tall men. Yes, overwhelmingly. Women by far will not date men shorter than them. Here's an article where women that make more then their husbands have higher chances of divorce https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehow...2871825cf9

Just because women are hypergamous doesn't mean they will immediately jump to the next branch, they are risk averse and will only climb to the next branch if they're confident that branch will not break or will sometimes grab both branches at the same time.

Hypergamy is a scientific fact, observed in nature. Not thinking women aren't is blue pill thinking.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Women, as women, want one very strong man man to complete and guide their life.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Women are hypergamous, however, it is not a straight jacket where all women are acting on it, the vast majority are but a select few don't. Remember though, that we live in an age of unchecked hypergamy where fathers don't even bother keeping their daughters hypergamy in check and even go to the extent of saying dumb things like "her body her choice". Remember that in the past hypergamy was kept in check by religion, strong fathers and slut shaming by society.

In modern times in the western world, I believe the only women who keep it in check are those with strong fathers who were raised to seek their fathers approval and also live near them. When they leave their proximity they may go buck wild like in college or something.

I have several examples, one that happened early on in my life decades before I knew what hypergamy even was. When I was 13, my "girlfriend" left another guy she was with to be my girlfriend. She started talking to me when she was still with the other guy, dropped him and monkey branched over to me.

My aunt(who was a single mom) cheated on her submissive, simp, beta provider husband. He's an honorable man, the kind of man that takes the shirt off his back to give it to you. He would always put her first, payed all the bills, worked extra hard, always did what she said. Cheated on him with a leech she met at work.

My cousin moved in with a guy just to have a roof over her head, her other options were to be homeless or live with grandma(she was in her early 20's and grandma had strict rules). The guy she moved in with worked at a recycling center. She monkey branched over to a similar looking guy who came from a well off family, she eventually married the guy and when the inlaws die they will be set for life. If I remember correctly, she met the guy she monkey branched off to on a girls night out while still with the other guy.

Those are just a few. The best ones are the alpha fucks beta bucks examples that I see in the workplace with women who are in the late 20's to mid 30's, those examples disgust me.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-01-2019 08:27 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  Women are hypergamous, however, it is not a straight jacket where all women are acting on it, the vast majority are but a select few don't. Remember though, that we live in an age of unchecked hypergamy where fathers don't even bother keeping their daughters hypergamy in check and even go to the extent of saying dumb things like "her body her choice". Remember that in the past hypergamy was kept in check by religion, strong fathers and slut shaming by society.

In modern times in the western world, I believe the only women who keep it in check are those with strong fathers who were raised to seek their fathers approval and also live near them. When they leave their proximity they may go buck wild like in college or something.

I have several examples, one that happened early on in my life decades before I knew what hypergamy even was. When I was 13, my "girlfriend" left another guy she was with to be my girlfriend. She started talking to me when she was still with the other guy, dropped him and monkey branched over to me.

My aunt(who was a single mom) cheated on her submissive, simp, beta provider husband. He's an honorable man, the kind of man that takes the shirt off his back to give it to you. He would always put her first, payed all the bills, worked extra hard, always did what she said. Cheated on him with a leech she met at work.

My cousin moved in with a guy just to have a roof over her head, her other options were to be homeless or live with grandma(she was in her early 20's and grandma had strict rules). The guy she moved in with worked at a recycling center. She monkey branched over to a similar looking guy who came from a well off family, she eventually married the guy and when the inlaws die they will be set for life. If I remember correctly, she met the guy she monkey branched off to on a girls night out while still with the other guy.

Those are just a few. The best ones are the alpha fucks beta bucks examples that I see in the workplace with women who are in the late 20's to mid 30's, those examples disgust me.

Sounds pretty rational. Why do guys get so upset over this.
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
Generally speaking, yes.

Healthy societies put boundaries on it so that it cannot destroy the family or the nation.

Our society celebrates it and removes all hindrances from its full expression.

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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-01-2019 10:55 PM)abt Wrote:  Sounds pretty rational. Why do guys get so upset over this.

What part of my comment are you referring to?
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RE: Are women really hypergamous?
(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  
(08-01-2019 10:55 PM)abt Wrote:  Sounds pretty rational. Why do guys get so upset over this.

What part of my comment are you referring to?

(08-01-2019 11:23 PM)FresnoState1776 Wrote:  She monkey branched over to a similar looking guy who came from a well off family, she eventually married the guy and when the inlaws die they will be set for life.
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