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Is there a citizenship hierarchy
Is anyone aware of this hierarchy? I might be wrong here, but I feel like especially back in the day, people would just flex their US citizenship and that alone did a lot of the work. If you were on dating apps, maybe you'd just put a US flag in your profile or something like that.

Is having a US citizenship still considered to be that strong? What do you guys think girls think of different citizenships these days? I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

People also make a shit ton of money in these countries, even your average blue-collar worker makes a ton. Sure, he doesn't make a ton in the context of his own country (because of high cost of living), but in the context of South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, it's a ton. (I guess what I'm trying to say here is that if you're a girl, and you meet an "average" guy, it's more likely he makes more money if he's from Switzerland/Scandinavia than any other country (this is just going off basic probabilities).

I recently found this, here they're talking about millionaires in $ (USD).

"Switzerland, however, has the most millionaires per capita: Nearly 12% of the adults in the country are millionaires, or one out of every 8.6."

Starting to see my point? Obviously it's a little bit flawed. They aren't really this rich in Switzerland. The reason the number is so high is because of tax havens. I read somewhere if you completely exclude tax havens, Norway is the richest country with the highest proportion of millionaires.

What do you guys think girls from South America, Asia, and Eastern Europe would rate countries by a hierarchy? I feel like in Eastern Europe (especially Russia), they're really "aware" of nordic countries. Meaning "game over, you win", if you're from a nordic country. This is atleast something I've "sensed" so far, I might be wrong though. No clue about Asia / South America.

If I was making my own hierarchy (girls probably wouldn't rate it this way though).but here it goes:

1) Scandinavia, Switzerland

2) Canada, Australia (maybe USA because of global recognition)

3) Netherlands, Germany, (France?), (UK?) (tbh France and UK might be a notch below Netherlands and Germany).

4) Lower tier Western European countries such as Spain, Italy

Honestly not sure where I'd put Luxembourg. Never done any reading on Luxembourg, I have a basic "understanding" of most of the countries I listed above. Just looking at stats alone though, Luxembourgh probably somewhere between 1) and 2), or something like that.

I really wonder if the global recognition of the USA still makes them the most powerful country when it comes to this stuff.

Also, source of the Switerland statement above (in terms of 12% of the adult population being millionaires): https://www.businessinsider.my/countries...es-2017-4/
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Nobody cares where you are from. It's all about $$$$. It's just probability of you being rich is bigger if you are from US/CH. I don't understand how can you put Scandinavia and CH on the first place at all as one is one of the riches countries on earth and another one is socialism haven.
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I think most girls do not even know Luxembourg.

France still holds a lot of power over russian girls, even if the men are recognized as not fidèle. It also has some power over UK girls.

Scandinavian do not like french guys as much.

So it really depends which nationality you are trying to pull.
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I’m an Aussie and I’d consider Swiss & Scandinavians to be my prime rival nationalities when it comes to Eastern European girls
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Russian and Ukraine women LOVE Italy, American Women LOVE Italy - the cuisine, wines, culture (Opera, Art, Museums, Classic and Modern Music, etc) the history all the way back to ancient Rome and the Empire that controlled most of Europe and the Mediterranean for centuries. Western and Eastern Roman empires still influence modern cultures.

By comparison, they consider the USA and Canada countries full of Cowboys and Indians except perhaps NYC, Miami, and Hollywood.

Most of the guys who come to the USA want Cowboy Boots, a Cowboy Hat, and a US Football. Most of the women who come to the USA just want to ride a Cowboy hard and be put away soaking wet.


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(08-08-2019 03:47 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  Nobody cares where you are from. It's all about $$$$. It's just probability of you being rich is bigger if you are from US/CH. I don't understand how can you put Scandinavia and CH on the first place at all as one is one of the riches countries on earth and another one is socialism haven.

You're just wrong. If you look at averages and probabilities, it's just a higher probability that someone from Scandinva (especially Norway) is richer than someone in the US. What shocked me the most was finding out that this is apparently also true if you look at very rich people.

The same way you have a "poverty line", you also have a "wealth line". If you're above the wealth line, you're globally recognized as "rich". According to The Wealth Report which is a consultancy that report and map out all the rich people in the entire world (so that their customers know where they live and can make money off them). They defined the wealth line to be individuals with a net worth above $30m (USD).

According to The Wealth Report there are 170k rich individuals globally (on this level).

The top 5 countries are:

1) USA: 40581 individuals

2) Japan: 16703

3) Germany: 11679

4) UK: 10547

5) China: 8366

But this is in terms of absolute values. You have to look at per capita. Per 1 million residents. If you exclude tax havens such as Switzerland, Hong Kong, Singapore, Monaco (that have an artifical high number of rich people), the numbers are as follows:

1) Norway: 484

2) Sweden: 329

3) New Zealand: 234

4) Canada: 181

5) Denmark: 179

13) USA: 126

At this point an American can say this is pennies. We're talking about a country where people don't just get rich, but filthy rich. If you redefine rich as being $1B individuals you have: (per 1m residents)

1) Iceland 3.1 (they have 1 billionaire)

2) Sweden: 2.4

3) Norway 2.0

4) USA: 1.7

5) Germany: 1.2

Comparing Scandinavia to the US you have:

1) Scandinavia 2.1

2) USA: 1.7

One point I might recede though is that they probably make more money with STEM Masters and PhD's in the US than Scandinavia, but you're not "average" if you have a STEM PhD. If you're looking at pure averages (national average), Norway and Switzerland completely destroy the US. Likewise if you're looking at amount of "rich" people.

Also, it's not just about pure wealth, but general standard of living and "happiness" as well. Which is why I'd rate Scandinavia above the US
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RE: Is there a citizenship hierarchy
Trust me, it's much easier to get rich in US than in Norway. I've had options to come over to any place on Earth due to my corporate background and I only care about money. There were two options for me - CH and US. To get to CH you have to be a EU resident which I wasn't so the only option left was US. You can google all this data from internet about Norway but as soon as you realize the prices there you will figure out that it's better to stay away from that place.
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(08-08-2019 04:45 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  You can google all this data from internet about Norway but as soon as you realize the prices there you will figure out that it's better to stay away from that place.

Fair enough I guess. I actually recently read somewhere that prices in Norway are 40% higher than Sweden lol. The cost of living there is absurdly high.
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Man!! Being from western countries was a thing of the past. Latin men are a hot right now especially with western women.

The Russia 2018 world cup proved it. Men from the Latin countries (Mexican, Brazilian, Colombians, Costa Ricans, and Panamanians) were sleeping their way through Russia.

I can assure anybody that a Brazilian, Mexican or Colombian guy will kill in Eastern Europe and even Western Europe for that matter. More so than nationalities like American, French, German or whatever.
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Latin men got game. That's the only reason for this. Nothing to do with citizenship.
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(08-08-2019 04:57 PM)perros Wrote:  Man!! Being from western countries was a thing of the past. Latin men are a hot right now especially with western women.

The Russia 2018 world cup proved it. Men from the Latin countries (Mexican, Brazilian, Colombians, Costa Ricans, and Panamanians) were sleeping their way through Russia.

I can assure anybody that a Brazilian, Mexican or Colombian guy will kill in Eastern Europe and even Western Europe for that matter. More so than nationalities like American, French, German or whatever.

(08-08-2019 04:59 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  Latin men got game. That's the only reason for this. Nothing to do with citizenship.

I guess what my main point about this "discussion" in terms of citizenship hierachies was that there seem to be a lot of South American, Asian and Eastern European women that really fucking hate their countries. They're tired of being poor and living in shit holes with shit conditions. Aparently they work 10 hours a day in Colombia (6-7 days a week). That's very different than the 30-40 hour work weeks you have in Europe with paid vacations. There's a record amount Russian women that want to leave their country. Source: https://news.gallup.com/poll/248249/reco...ussia.aspx and here's a quote: "Since 2014, the percentage of working-age Russians who say they would like to move has at least tripled, jumping from 14% to 44% among 15- to 29-year-olds".

I really don't hope I offend anyone here, but to Russian women, South American and Latin guys have "low value", when it comes to this stuff. It doesn't mean you can't fuck Russians or whatever, but if she's looking for a guy to take care of her, and if she's looking to move to another country to improve her quality of life, why would she go to a "lower quality" country? See my point about the citizenship hierarchy thing now? Feels like this went over a lot of people's heads. MAybe I wasn't clear enough. There are literally certain countries where you can LITERALLY pull women just because of your citizenship. What this thread is really about, is which countries/citizenships are most "efficient" at doing just that from the perspective of women in South America, Asia, Eastern Europe
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I think you mistake one thing - it's not about citizenship, it's about $$$$. When I was making $50k nett in EE nobody wanted to come to US because I could provide US to them right there on the spot. My oligarch acquaintances could easily have 8 different girls on their yachts at the same time. In black sea.

The point is even If you have American citizenship and work at walmart for $10 nobody will give a f*** about it. On the other hand, if you make $50k in EE - you will have plenty of girls chasing you. It's just easier to make more money in the states, so it's higher chance of hooking up with rich american, than rich Eeuropean. But as long as they are both rich it doesn't matter.
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(08-08-2019 05:56 PM)Paig3 Wrote:  I think you mistake one thing - it's not about citizenship, it's about $$$$. When I was making $50k nett in EE nobody wanted to come to US because I could provide US to them right there on the spot. My oligarch acquaintances could easily have 8 different girls on their yachts at the same time. In black sea.

The point is even If you have American citizenship and work at walmart for $10 nobody will give a f*** about it. On the other hand, if you make $50k in EE - you will have plenty of girls chasing you. It's just easier to make more money in the states, so it's higher chance of hooking up with rich american, than rich Eeuropean. But as long as they are both rich it doesn't matter.

Citizenship matters because money matters. There are different average salaries in different countries. Obviously if you're making $50k in EE your standard of living is insanely high because of the low cost of living. Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane. Ofc girls would chase that.

Btw so did you read some of the travel threads from Africa, South America etc on this forum? The USA guys who write up these datasheets literally tell you to lie as much as you can. They literally tell you to tell girls you want to marry them, that's literally part of the gameplay because of how effective it is. Sure, it's mainly about money, would they still marry a rich guy in Brazil? Obviously. But in certain countries you're just way more likely to be rich just being an average guy. You're way more likely to have a higher standard of living being an average guy in a top tier country vs being an average guy in a shithole. Citizenship matters because of women's persecption of that country, especially money / income wise.

A lot of these girls you meet online as well. Would this work if you're from some shithole country? Sure, maybe if you make "bank", but how would you even prove that? I recently heard of a story of a guy who claimed he had a citizenship to a certain country, the girl literally asked him to prove it. There are literally businesses based on this stuff as well (mail order bribes) thing. Nearly 40% of Russians aged 15-29 wants to leave Russia. The population in Russia is declining rapidly, apparently the population in Russia is going to decline down to 110m by 2050 (which is quite a massive drop).

It's also not just about the money. Look at this from a girls perspective. If you somehow get to Scandinavia on a permanent basis, you're set for life. You get everything given to you for free. Food, house, University, paid vacation, 30-40hour work weeks, etc. Say you're married to some guy, you live with him, maybe you get a job as a cleaning lady at some random gym, or university campus. If you're in Scandinavia, you literally make BANK doing this. You literally 10-20x the country you lived in before in terms of income. You have a husband that provide everything for you, you can pocket everything you make on your own and spend it on yourself /send it to your family. Once you get to stay in Scandinavia permanently, you dump the guy and get with a hotter Scandinavian guy that also makes more money.
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He has a point.

Saying to a girl: "I'm from Denmark/Norway/Sweden/Switzerland" rings higher than "I'm from "Romania/Lithuania/Slovakia/Albania which in turn is higher than "Iraq/Afghanistan/Somalia/Pakistan".
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(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

This is exactly what happens when you "feel" (like a woman) instead of think (like a man). The entire supposition behind this thread that any of this stuff from the government is actually free is not only wrong, but a sign of extremely sloppy thinking. Does this "free" stuff just magically appear from the ether? No, it is paid by extremely high taxes in a welfare nanny state.

The fact is that if you live in a low tax nation where you must pay for this stuff, you can save over time to pay for such things (at a far lower cost than if you paid decades worth of taxes in a welfare state) and then invest the substantial savings (between what you would have paid in taxes in a welfare state and what you actually spent for the services that you actually used) in high quality investments, resulting in a small fortune.

Of course, the lure of "free" stuff from a socialist collectivist redistributionist egalitarian welfare state is an opiate of the masses, who would rather suckle at the nipple of socialism than think or work for themselves as free independent men. If you are attracted to women who want to rely on financial support from a welfare state rather than from a strong independent man, then this says a great deal about you.

(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum. Just as an example, there is only a 2:1 cost-of-living difference between Prague and New York City.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
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(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

This is exactly what happens when you "feel" (like a woman) instead of think (like a man). The entire supposition behind this thread that any of this stuff from the government is actually free is not only wrong, but a sign of extremely sloppy thinking. Does this "free" stuff just magically appear from the ether? No, it is paid by extremely high taxes in a welfare nanny state.

The fact is that if you live in a low tax nation where you must pay for this stuff, you can save over time to pay for such things (at a far lower cost than if you paid decades worth of taxes in a welfare state) and then invest the substantial savings (between what you would have paid in taxes in a welfare state and what you actually spent for the services that you actually used) in high quality investments, resulting in a small fortune.

Of course, the lure of "free" stuff from a socialist collectivist redistributionist egalitarian welfare state is an opiate of the masses, who would rather suckle at the nipple of socialism than think or work for themselves as free independent men. If you are attracted to women who want to rely on financial support from a welfare state rather than from a strong independent man, then this says a great deal about you.

A lot of what you said is just complete gibberish. Go to a tax calculator, plug in $100k salary a year, look at your take home pay in New York, San Francisco, Texas and Norway. Spoiler: In New York you take home $66k, in San Francisco you take home $68k, in Norway you take home $68k, in Texas you take home $76k. Apparently you have taxes on food and stuff in Norway (which increases COL), and really high taxes when buying a car (but you don't need cars in Europe, so you save even more).


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(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum. Just as an example, there is only a 2:1 cost-of-living difference between Prague and New York City.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

No offense, but I can't believe you said this lmao. You use a shit source that is known to be inaccurate (the numbers are just flat out wrong, it does give an "indication" though, but that's it),you also cherry pick a random EE country to fit your narrative. Let me do the same. In Kiev (capital of Ukraine) the average salary is $400 a month (or $4.8k a year). In San Francisco the MEDIAN salary is $75k a year (mind you, when it comes to money and income, average tend to be way higher than median, so the median salary in Kiev is even lower than $400/month. Let me keep going.... If you were to make $50k a year in Ukraine, you would be 10x'ing your income. To do the same in San Francisco you'd have to make $750k a year. Happy? I'm not sitting here doing 4d chess dude, thinking hard and deep about this shit, looking up sources etc, it was literally just a quick assasment of my general knowledge about salaries in different countries. I know they make roughly 500 a month in Ukraine (really only the EE country I'm familiar with, so I should've probably spesificed it), and around 50-60k a year in the US. After that it's just math man. I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.
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Best citizenship has to be evaluate on some hard facts.

1. How much do you get taxed? Taxation on worldwide income?
2. On how much government support can you count when being abroad?
3. How many countries you can travel visa free?

Everything else probably comes down to the individual. Figuring out "the best" citizenship is an almost impossible task if you aren't a professional in this field. However, it's safe to assume that among the best citizenships are those from the major Western countries. For example, although I love Colombian and Brazilian girls, I would never want to exchange my German citizenship for a Colombian one.
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RE: Is there a citizenship hierarchy
I would rather talk about ethnicity in the age of globalization.

People from third world backgrounds with EU citizenship are still considered third world trash unless they go way above and beyond to prove that they aren't - living the corporate square lifestyle.

As such citizenship in a first world country is fairly inflationary these days because it doesn't necessary mean you are of the blood of the people who build the first world country with their blood, willpower and high trust society genes. (low trust societies are generally shitholes full of predatory people)

Chinese people judge hard on country of origin but they are also aware of the muslim invasion and generally dislike muslims because of their own muslim problems (surprise, surprise, muslims cause troubles everywhere...).

Landlords in China for example will generally only rent to people from countries with a good reputation.

Girls definitely do care where you are from and if you are from Russia you better be really well off because nobody wants to live in a housing project somewhere among gopniks.

Africans overcome their lack of resources with game, confidence and boasting that alludes to connections, opportunities and status they don't really have but this sooner or later falls apart and she gets to be another single mother more often than not.

If you are simply talking about money - on the top end you can't make US level money anywhere outside of the US. If you are fine with being average western Europe still offers a good quality of life without having to work too hard for it.
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It depends where you are. In Asia from my experience it seems like its whatever as long as it is 1st world or a european country. Mexico and Peru are extremely pro the US, a lot of girls from these countries dream about settling down in US. In Argentina a lot of the girls seemed very anti US and very pro europe. In Colombia they seem to be very fond of germany, there is a strange ammount of girls in Medellin from my experience that speak german fairly well (Or want to learn how to speak german).

I think it's very obvious especially if you travel a lot that there is a citizenship hierarchy, even though it seem to depend on where you are a lot.
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(08-09-2019 01:50 AM)jackthenerd Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

This is exactly what happens when you "feel" (like a woman) instead of think (like a man). The entire supposition behind this thread that any of this stuff from the government is actually free is not only wrong, but a sign of extremely sloppy thinking. Does this "free" stuff just magically appear from the ether? No, it is paid by extremely high taxes in a welfare nanny state.

The fact is that if you live in a low tax nation where you must pay for this stuff, you can save over time to pay for such things (at a far lower cost than if you paid decades worth of taxes in a welfare state) and then invest the substantial savings (between what you would have paid in taxes in a welfare state and what you actually spent for the services that you actually used) in high quality investments, resulting in a small fortune.

Of course, the lure of "free" stuff from a socialist collectivist redistributionist egalitarian welfare state is an opiate of the masses, who would rather suckle at the nipple of socialism than think or work for themselves as free independent men. If you are attracted to women who want to rely on financial support from a welfare state rather than from a strong independent man, then this says a great deal about you.

A lot of what you said is just complete gibberish. Go to a tax calculator, plug in $100k salary a year, look at your take home pay in New York, San Francisco, Texas and Norway. Spoiler: In New York you take home $66k, in San Francisco you take home $68k, in Norway you take home $68k, in Texas you take home $76k. Apparently you have taxes on food and stuff in Norway (which increases COL), and really high taxes when buying a car (but you don't need cars in Europe, so you save even more).


(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum. Just as an example, there is only a 2:1 cost-of-living difference between Prague and New York City.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

No offense, but I can't believe you said this lmao. You use a shit source that is known to be inaccurate (the numbers are just flat out wrong, it does give an "indication" though, but that's it),you also cherry pick a random EE country to fit your narrative. Let me do the same. In Kiev (capital of Ukraine) the average salary is $400 a month (or $4.8k a year). In San Francisco the MEDIAN salary is $75k a year (mind you, when it comes to money and income, average tend to be way higher than median, so the median salary in Kiev is even lower than $400/month. Let me keep going.... If you were to make $50k a year in Ukraine, you would be 10x'ing your income. To do the same in San Francisco you'd have to make $750k a year. Happy? I'm not sitting here doing 4d chess dude, thinking hard and deep about this shit, looking up sources etc, it was literally just a quick assasment of my general knowledge about salaries in different countries. I know they make roughly 500 a month in Ukraine (really only the EE country I'm familiar with, so I should've probably spesificed it), and around 50-60k a year in the US. After that it's just math man. I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.

I agree with your average salary numbers however this thread is about girls perception not men and in Ukraine in the eyes of women you will never be considered 10 times richer than the average if you don't have material things to prove it you can be making 5 times more than Dima but he drives a 6 serie black bmw (16% yearly interest rate on the credit) or he might own a trendy restaurant or a bar maybe only worth a 100K but in her eyes he is way richer than you and have social proof. Same thing goes with your flat it needs to be top notch.

As for guys thinking women view men from Switzerland or Norway way above the rest of western men or italians part of a roman heritage, seriously? they couldn't even tell you approximately when Romans ruled or how much a guy from sweden is making a year this is how a MAN thinks only thing they would have going on for them is look and height for a scandinavian and maybe game and style for an italian.

What difference would it make for a guy from norway making twice the salary of a guy from Belgium when he is allready making 5 times her salary?

I do agree tho that some girls especially russian and polish might very well be into spanish/italian guys

other than that you overthinking this

You are way over thinking this
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(08-09-2019 01:50 AM)jackthenerd Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

This is exactly what happens when you "feel" (like a woman) instead of think (like a man). The entire supposition behind this thread that any of this stuff from the government is actually free is not only wrong, but a sign of extremely sloppy thinking. Does this "free" stuff just magically appear from the ether? No, it is paid by extremely high taxes in a welfare nanny state.

The fact is that if you live in a low tax nation where you must pay for this stuff, you can save over time to pay for such things (at a far lower cost than if you paid decades worth of taxes in a welfare state) and then invest the substantial savings (between what you would have paid in taxes in a welfare state and what you actually spent for the services that you actually used) in high quality investments, resulting in a small fortune.

Of course, the lure of "free" stuff from a socialist collectivist redistributionist egalitarian welfare state is an opiate of the masses, who would rather suckle at the nipple of socialism than think or work for themselves as free independent men. If you are attracted to women who want to rely on financial support from a welfare state rather than from a strong independent man, then this says a great deal about you.

A lot of what you said is just complete gibberish. Go to a tax calculator, plug in $100k salary a year, look at your take home pay in New York, San Francisco, Texas and Norway. Spoiler: In New York you take home $66k, in San Francisco you take home $68k, in Norway you take home $68k, in Texas you take home $76k. Apparently you have taxes on food and stuff in Norway (which increases COL), and really high taxes when buying a car (but you don't need cars in Europe, so you save even more).


(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum. Just as an example, there is only a 2:1 cost-of-living difference between Prague and New York City.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/

No offense, but I can't believe you said this lmao. You use a shit source that is known to be inaccurate (the numbers are just flat out wrong, it does give an "indication" though, but that's it),you also cherry pick a random EE country to fit your narrative. Let me do the same. In Kiev (capital of Ukraine) the average salary is $400 a month (or $4.8k a year). In San Francisco the MEDIAN salary is $75k a year (mind you, when it comes to money and income, average tend to be way higher than median, so the median salary in Kiev is even lower than $400/month. Let me keep going.... If you were to make $50k a year in Ukraine, you would be 10x'ing your income. To do the same in San Francisco you'd have to make $750k a year. Happy? I'm not sitting here doing 4d chess dude, thinking hard and deep about this shit, looking up sources etc, it was literally just a quick assasment of my general knowledge about salaries in different countries. I know they make roughly 500 a month in Ukraine (really only the EE country I'm familiar with, so I should've probably spesificed it), and around 50-60k a year in the US. After that it's just math man. I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.

It is difficult to tell whether you are a denial-of-reality troll or simply a lunatic. The top income tax rate in the U.S. is 37% and begins at a $500,000 income level. The top rates in Scandinavian countries, which you described as "a better deal," are as follows:

1) Denmark 55.8 € 70,081

2) Finland 58.3 € 81,449

3) Norway 46.7 € 100,145

4) Sweden 60.1 € 67,630

https://taxfoundation.org/top-individual...rope-2019/

The third column is the amount at which the highest income tax rate takes effect. In the U.S., the tax rate for the $82,501 – $157,500 income bracket is 24%, which is half (or less) of those Scandinavian countries.

In the U.S., someone earning $100,000 would pay about 33% in taxes, including income taxes and social security taxes. In Sweden, someone earning $100,000 would pay about 58% in taxes. Moreover, unlike Scandinavian and most European countries, the U.S. has no VAT tax. As I stated earlier, that 25%-35% tax savings could be intelligently invested for a small fortune. Your denial of that reality is simply beyond explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax...s_for_2018

https://se.neuvoo.com/tax-calculator/?ia...region=ALE
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(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote:  Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

Your pathetic defense of this turd of a statement identifies you as utterly unthinking. If you earn $500,000 in the U.S., you can buy a brand new Lamborghini and still have an equal amount of money left to invest and spend. Living on $50,000 in EE, you would need to save every penny for five years to buy a Lamborghini. The same analysis applies to all other luxury goods. If you believe that you can buy luxury goods in the EE for one-tenth of the retail price, then you belong in an insane asylum. People like me would arrive in the EE and pack all those luxury goods into shipping containers, ship them back home, and then make a fortune on the arbitrage opportunity.

(08-09-2019 01:50 AM)jackthenerd Wrote:  I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.

I never called it "idiotic." I stated: "This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum." In light of your last response, however, I must correct myself. Your statement was indeed beyond idiotic.

If you make $500,000 in the U.S., you can buy two of these:

   

If you can buy two of those automobiles, or even one, in the EE for $50,000 then let me know. I will fly there tomorrow and ship them back to the U.S. for the arbitrage profit.

You are a perfect example of why new forum members should not be allowed to start new threads.
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I've noticed that with a lot of top tier American women and conventionally attractive hot girls in this country, the most desired men by nationality are English, Irish, Scottish, Aussie, and New Zealand. If I had to pick one nationality American women fall head over heels for, it would be Australian men. I think it helps to be just slightly different but not too different when it comes to being exotic. Scandinavian and Northern Euro men also win big but I think it is because a lot of them are tall, naturally aesthetic (no homo), and fit the western ideal of beauty (no homo).

Mediterranean men and their success is largely overhyped, it doesn't help that they are shorter than average. I have seen women say sleazy and creepy a lot when it comes to describing them, blow their approaches off regularly and notice even better looking women from their background prefer Northern Euro and Anglo men. A lot of the success they have comes from spam approaching and being a lot more aggressive than men from any other background, they did PUA before PUA was a thing. For all the talk of Eastern Euro women loving Mediterranean men, last I heard they were seen as sleazy sex tourists.

Asian men are definitely on the come up, lots of hot girls having a thing for Korean and Japanese dudes.

But the man in question, his looks, and game matter a good deal too, it helps present a place in a different light.

India for example has a ton of poverty and a lot of bad stereotypes about it but at the same time, I have seen a lot of hot girls into yoga and spiritual stuff who will quickly go home with a cool Indian dude that isn't the bad BO funny accent stereotype. If anything, I have found in a good deal of situations where the woman is vegan, spiritual, or into yoga that being Indian background helps although I was born and raised in America so make of that what you will.
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Speaking for EE: a man's passport and his looks benefit him the same. They can get his foot in the door but he still has to have game, money, humor, etc.
If there's any hierarchy, my observation has been:
1. USA
2. Any other western county
3. All other countries

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Regarding the fiasco above, both jackthenerd and Tail Gunner are making actual points.

Jackthenerd means that, an EE local making $50,000/year would indeed be baller status. And that's true. The average salary there is what, $500/month?

But Tail Gunner is also correct that $50,000/year in EE is not the same as $500,000 in the US.

Because in the west, you can buy a Lambo, as mentioned, for 250k. I doubt you could get a Lambo in EE for that. If EE is anything like Asia, all sorts of taxes would drive the price up to maybe 500k.

Although a lot of dudes say the west is shit, you absolutely cannot find another country that offers the same quality of life to cost ratio.
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