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Once the Soviets went back to just being Russians the USA was like a cop that suddenly started having to cause trouble just to justify his own job.

Granted with the myriad of geo-political nuance involved that's a very sweeping analysis but I stand by it. Once the Soviets were finished then all the stupid "war on (x)" garbage began, leading us to where we are today, staring down the barrel of the gun called "the war on bigotry (aka white people)".

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(09-11-2019 03:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Once the Soviets went back to just being Russians the USA was like a cop that suddenly started having to cause trouble just to justify his own job.


Very good way of describing it.
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(09-11-2019 03:23 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  The USA is a stabilizing force in the world? You mean the government who has overthrown dozens of foreign governments, interfered in dozens of elections, invaded dozens of countries, promoted usury cartels, technological enslavement, LGBT and feminism across the world?

If that is a stabilizing force, I dread to think what a destabilizing force would look like.

I didn't say the USA was a force of good, they are a stabilizing force. What I mean by this is if the USA does go bankrupt who protects Finland or Ukraine or Poland or Hungary or Brazil or Argentina or any other land men in the USA want to escape to? China, India, Pakistan all have hundreds of millions, combined billions, of sexually starved and desperate young men they could send to take the land and the women as a reward. China, India and Pakistan all have very advanced militaries and nuclear weapons.

I hate the USA foreign policy that you addressed above. But if the USA does collapse then these small cozy happy homelands countries are going to have to ask how they can defend themselves from the hoards of starving and desperate young men in these other countries. I am sure Brazil and Argentina produce enough crops to feed themselves. Does Poland or Finland or Sweden? I am not sure if they do. I know most of Europe is dependent on Russia to heat their homes in the winter.

My point is if the USA does go bankrupt then the entire world will be very much impacted and in fact other countries might be much more impacted than the USA itself. And my big point is we can no longer run. That is the move we have made over the last few hundred years. When the going gets tough we move. Whether it is across the Atlantic ocean to set up new countries or simply one more exit down the interstate ramp to the suburbs and next xburbs. There is no more moving, there is no more picking out another country that isn't complete clown world. Because the shock waves of a USA collapse will be felt world wide.
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I understand your point and I agree with you, but I wouldn't call that a stabilizing force. It's like saying that welfare is help for poor people - when in fact it entrenches people in poverty (precisely because it gives them stuff). The same way, the US protects the Western world, but in doing so has made it helpless.

This world of interdependence where if one piece falls the whole thing comes crumbling down was inevitable after the industrial revolution. The longer it goes on, the more interconnected it becomes, the more suffering it will create.

This is why I keep repeating the point across the forum that for every individual piece of technological progress an equal part of our independence (as nations or as individuals) is lost and there is no way of getting it back. It's a Faustian bargain and we can ride the wave, but at the end of that road it's either collapse of epic proportions or absolute loss of freedom.

People keep saying to me that rejecting this progress is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but my view is that with the industrial revolution we threw out the baby and kept the bathwater.

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(09-11-2019 04:58 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  I understand your point and I agree with you, but I wouldn't call that a stabilizing force. It's like saying that welfare is help for poor people - when in fact it entrenches people in poverty (precisely because it gives them stuff). The same way, the US protects the Western world, but in doing so has made it helpless.

This world of interdependence where if one piece falls the whole thing comes crumbling down was inevitable after the industrial revolution. The longer it goes on, the more interconnected it becomes, the more suffering it will create.

This is why I keep repeating the point across the forum that for every individual piece of technological progress an equal part of our independence (as nations or as individuals) is lost and there is no way of getting it back. It's a Faustian bargain and we can ride the wave, but at the end of that road it's either collapse of epic proportions or absolute loss of freedom.

People keep saying to me that rejecting this progress is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but my view is that with the industrial revolution we threw out the baby and kept the bathwater.

I agree with a lot of this. Technology made our lives easier and as a result we lost nearly everything that was good and normal about our lives.

I guess my biggest point is simply we can't run anymore. I have seen men here and other places talk about where to move to escape the USA clown world society. I certainly don't blame them, could I ever find just one decent woman in the USA? It seems unlikely at my age. But leaving the USA isn't a long term solution either. And having a family is a long term problem.

I guess all in all I just want to address how much of a major disappointment Trump is and how much it impacts all of us, no matter where in the world we live. It appears we can't vote our way out of this and moving one more exit ramp down the interstate isn't a solution for much longer either.
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(09-11-2019 04:58 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  I understand your point and I agree with you, but I wouldn't call that a stabilizing force. It's like saying that welfare is help for poor people - when in fact it entrenches people in poverty (precisely because it gives them stuff). The same way, the US protects the Western world, but in doing so has made it helpless.

This world of interdependence where if one piece falls the whole thing comes crumbling down was inevitable after the industrial revolution. The longer it goes on, the more interconnected it becomes, the more suffering it will create.

This is why I keep repeating the point across the forum that for every individual piece of technological progress an equal part of our independence (as nations or as individuals) is lost and there is no way of getting it back. It's a Faustian bargain and we can ride the wave, but at the end of that road it's either collapse of epic proportions or absolute loss of freedom.

People keep saying to me that rejecting this progress is throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but my view is that with the industrial revolution we threw out the baby and kept the bathwater.

The Faustian Bargain is interwoven in our genetics
Man’s desire to know how everything works and control it started with man’s ability to procreate
The rest is just documented history where the fittest survive to record their version of it
Nothing compares human evolution better than bacteria colonising a petri dish. Their survival strategies and competition for resources toxicifies the very environment that gives them life until the destruction of all bacteria is inevitable
Perhaps this is the hidden meaning of original sin
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No complaints against the Golden Don.

Still not tired of winning.

No new world wars are a 'win' in my book anyway.


Looking forward to The Don winning the next big one votes wise.

Looking even more forward to him not bombing the shit out of Iran.

Now, that wil be 'winning' boys!


I hold out my hope (even if I don't hold my breath).

There is still time for inaction.


Till that point, you, Gentlemen, will have to excuse me for keeping my ire dry.
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(09-11-2019 08:38 PM)Bazzwaldo Wrote:  Perhaps this is the hidden meaning of original sin

I appreciated that post, it was interesting and true but

the ancestral sin has always been "doing it on our own" ie thinking we can do things without God

We must return to God, so we must die, and what we're like at that moment is the meaning of the race and challenge that was set before us

There was no other possibility for the universe if free will was required, which would be the only point of having it

Think about it, and how quickly it happened after "creation"

Adam and Eve, "Let's be like God" ie try to be self reliant = expelled from the Garden

Sons of Noah, "Let's build a Tower to be like God" = confused languages, divided, scattered to various regions of the earth

We came all the way back, but we can't have real unity until we are obedient in a way that transforms our disunity (stressing worldly things like not dying, constant resource seeking, etc)
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"There is still time for inaction."

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Yeah, the problem is totally that millions of turd worlders not having magic documents saying they're supposed be here, not said turd worlders being here to begin with.
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Neither party cares at all about regular Americans. One is run by globo-communists and the other is run by globo-capitalists, each putting their own personal benefit above the well-being of the country.

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(09-12-2019 12:27 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

It's a bill at the earliest stages. Senators are already calling for it to be amended with an added e-verify option.

The "merit" based immigration platform sounds really good to me, compared to what we currently have. Merit based should cut down on our immigration by well-over 50%.

Most immigrants who come here pay no taxes and do not contribute to society in any fundamental ways. This bill would cut down on free-riding and drastically improve our country.

Of course, the blackpill haters in here are too blinded by their rage to see the big picture.

Quote:Neither party cares at all about regular Americans. One is run by globo-communists and the other is run by globo-capitalists, each putting their own personal benefit above the well-being of the country.

So what? Use them as needed and get what you can from them. Don't place any serious hopes in them but don't abandon trying to make the government work for us. See if we can save ourselves, if not, oh well, we won't have any regrets when it burns down.

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What's your public face?

Is it "hang these traitors" or is it "I'm happy with this compromise"?

Slinging the idea of "shut up because this is as good as it gets" seems counter productive.

These scumbags weigh stealing votes in the middle against cucking people on the right. If you cuck then you'll get more centrist legislation.

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In regards to immigration, we are tens of trillions in debt and people are dying on the streets. You can’t help others when you have nothing to give them; this is why airline attendants tell you, in the case of low oxygen that causes the masks to drop, to put your own mask on first.

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Yay no new wars... yet a first world nation is unwilling to protect its own water supply.
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Again with the emotional language. You’ve now implied I’m sad, depressed, hateful and filled with some kind of metaphysical rage - all because I asked for more out of our President than slogans and tweets. I am also still waiting for your examples of a society that recovered from the stage we’re at, literally one single example from the entirety of human history.

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(09-12-2019 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the blackpill haters in here are too blinded by their rage to see the big picture.

I don't understand this. The big picture is that even if we cut legal immigration to zero and kicked out all the illegal aliens, we still have a country that will collapse in our lifetime.

So us not celebrating the destruction of our country at a slower pace that the Democrats want is us not seeing the "big picture"? We fought tooth and nail, men lost their jobs, families, parts of their body, some even died, all to help get Trump elected. And the result is we will slightly take our foot off the peddle as we head towards the cliff, but that is better than the Democrats full peddle push. Well sure it is better, but is it good enough to really matter?

I'm not blinded by rage, I just don't see how heading towards the cliff at 75 MPH v. 110 MPH makes much difference. At least not enough difference to risk going to any Trump rally.

And, TBH, if our choice is Trump and war in Iran v. Warren and no war in Iran but more taxes, then it is a no brainer. At that point Trump will hit 150 MPH heading towards the cliff and I am not sold on Trump not waging a war on Iran in his 2nd term.
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(09-12-2019 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the blackpill haters in here are too blinded by their rage to see the big picture.

I don't understand this. The big picture is that even if we cut legal immigration to zero and kicked out all the illegal aliens, we still have a country that will collapse in our lifetime.

So us not celebrating the destruction of our country at a slower pace that the Democrats want is us not seeing the "big picture"? We fought tooth and nail, men lost their jobs, families, parts of their body, some even died, all to help get Trump elected. And the result is we will slightly take our foot off the peddle as we head towards the cliff, but that is better than the Democrats full peddle push. Well sure it is better, but is it good enough to really matter?

I'm not blinded by rage, I just don't see how heading towards the cliff at 75 MPH v. 110 MPH makes much difference. At least not enough difference to risk going to any Trump rally.

And, TBH, if our choice is Trump and war in Iran v. Warren and no war in Iran but more taxes, then it is a no brainer. At that point Trump will hit 150 MPH heading towards the cliff and I am not sold on Trump not waging a war on Iran in his 2nd term.

I'll write my own post on my complaints of Trump, but just a brief comment on this.

There is a huge difference between going off the cliff at 75mph vs 110 mph.

Let's say worst case scenario the US collapses in 5-10 years.

Most of the guys on the forum are probably 25-40 years old. 5-10 years means 5-10 years of earnings, possibly never reaching peak earnings years (45-55).

Let's say Trump and MAGA Republicans hold off collapse for 30 years. I'll be close to 60 at that point, with a few mill in the bank, and most of this forum will be of retirement age. Who cares if the US collapses at that point? I'll just dip to Thailand, or whatever the trendy cheap country is where I'll live like a king.

I don't doubt that the US will either separate or collapse at some point in my lifetime, but there is a world of a difference between slowing the decline so we can get our shit together and having collapse imminent upon us. No mater what anyone on this forum says, the American Empire is nowhere close to the brink of total collapse. We are probably the strongest we've been since pre 9/11.

Trump's America allowed me to hit damn close to my peak earnings before I'm 30. That is an absolute gamechanger even if the entire thing went up into smithereens tomorrow.

I graduated with close to a 10% unemployment rate and struggled financially for years after. The fact that the US, and myself, got their shit together, changed my life completely.
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(09-15-2019 04:00 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 10:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Of course, the blackpill haters in here are too blinded by their rage to see the big picture.

I don't understand this. The big picture is that even if we cut legal immigration to zero and kicked out all the illegal aliens, we still have a country that will collapse in our lifetime.

So us not celebrating the destruction of our country at a slower pace that the Democrats want is us not seeing the "big picture"? We fought tooth and nail, men lost their jobs, families, parts of their body, some even died, all to help get Trump elected. And the result is we will slightly take our foot off the peddle as we head towards the cliff, but that is better than the Democrats full peddle push. Well sure it is better, but is it good enough to really matter?

I'm not blinded by rage, I just don't see how heading towards the cliff at 75 MPH v. 110 MPH makes much difference. At least not enough difference to risk going to any Trump rally.

And, TBH, if our choice is Trump and war in Iran v. Warren and no war in Iran but more taxes, then it is a no brainer. At that point Trump will hit 150 MPH heading towards the cliff and I am not sold on Trump not waging a war on Iran in his 2nd term.

I'll write my own post on my complaints of Trump, but just a brief comment on this.

There is a huge difference between going off the cliff at 75mph vs 110 mph.

Let's say worst case scenario the US collapses in 5-10 years.

Most of the guys on the forum are probably 25-40 years old. 5-10 years means 5-10 years of earnings, possibly never reaching peak earnings years (45-55).

Let's say Trump and MAGA Republicans hold off collapse for 30 years. I'll be close to 60 at that point, with a few mill in the bank, and most of this forum will be of retirement age. Who cares if the US collapses at that point? I'll just dip to Thailand, or whatever the trendy cheap country is where I'll live like a king.

I don't doubt that the US will either separate or collapse at some point in my lifetime, but there is a world of a difference between slowing the decline so we can get our shit together and having collapse imminent upon us. No mater what anyone on this forum says, the American Empire is nowhere close to the brink of total collapse. We are probably the strongest we've been since pre 9/11.

Trump's America allowed me to hit damn close to my peak earnings before I'm 30. That is an absolute gamechanger even if the entire thing went up into smithereens tomorrow.

I graduated with close to a 10% unemployment rate and struggled financially for years after. The fact that the US, and myself, got their shit together, changed my life completely.

Earnings? I don't think you guys realize what collapse means. Collapse means chaos around the globe, unless you are in Russia or China and are of Russian or Chinese citizenship. If you want the wisest decision, you take those earnings and covert them into things that will help you survive without a power grid. Land, ammo, water. And buying land free and clear of a bank loan over the course of 5 to 10 years is a HUGE step.

I know there is the debate about Brazil v. South Africa, but the only reason Brazil and South Africa are as nice as they are, which isn't all that nice, is because the USA is around to feed the globe, the monetary system based on the USD and the safety of ships to navigate goods. That all disappears if the USA collapses. And I don't think many here think that the USA will not collapse.

Trump has done very little to slow things down from Obama or Bush. The changes he has made are tiny and in the big picture mean almost 0. Legal immigration is the biggest problem the USA faces and Trump is out there championing it. Illegal immigration is much easier to solve, though it appears no one is willing to do it. The out of control spending has not been slowed down by Trump at all. And I don't think many here think the USA has 30 years left in it. I certainly do not.

As for unemployment rates, we have known for decades they mean nothing because the govt. changes the rules to make the numbers look good. If you want real economic numbers then you look at earnings v. COL increases (which have been awful for decades on end) and you look at work force participation rate (which is barely better than it was in 2008).
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If Generic Democrat means no war with Iran or we get war with Iran from Trump, then we must support the Democrat. We have no choice in the matter, the USA will not survive a war with Iran.

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Please, Mr Saudi, tell me what you want me to do!

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It's one thing to be cucked by Israel and their immense web of connections all over the world, and a whole another thing to be cucked by a pack of barbaric camel herders who depend on your support in every way imaginable.

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(09-16-2019 07:00 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  It's one thing to be cucked by Israel and their immense web of connections all over the world, and a whole another thing to be cucked by a pack of barbaric camel herders who depend on your support in every way imaginable.

I am starting to wonder if the powers that be no longer believe Trump can beat any of the Democrats and are now going to try nonstop to start the war with Iran. This way, even if Trump loses, they already get their war and the next president has no choice in the matter.
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What if Saudi did the land fighting and US only offered aerial support?
1) Is that feasible considering how shitty their army is?
(As demonstrated in Yemen)

2) Would you still disapprove of that as strongly?

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09-16-2019 07:24 AM
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