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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
The Travel Forum was about a lot more than just getting laid. I posted stuff after I traveled to Iquitos in Perú and Ulaanbaatar in Mongolia.
09-25-2019 10:59 PM
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(09-25-2019 10:55 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 05:00 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Dark Pool, I don't understand what that has to do with what I wrote. I was complaining about guys whose entire love life consists of going to Thailand and hiring hundreds of whores, then pretending to be paragons of success. That lifestyle may be understandable, of course - but it completely discredits any travel and game advice that they might provide.

I never even mentioned girlfriends, incels, sinners or whatever else your post is about.

You can just report them and their posts if they are propagating sex for money. You can't expect the mods at STW (me included) to know the history of every guy who posted here before, especially since they change usernames.

Be that as it may Rottenapple, your site in general is a hot mess. A lot of the less than desirable posters who were here have left and jumped over to your site. Half of the posts on STW are low value or just straight up troll posts by troll posters. I've read your site repeatedly and tried to like it but there is very little of value being talked about over there. Hell I'd say the majority of the posts on STW since the end of May have been gripes about this forum. I will say that since Roosh decided to change the forum, the quality of the posts here has improved a fair bit even though the traffic has for sure died down. Lesser quantity has led to better quality. I can say though that STW is better than that Male Privilege forum though, so there is that.
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Dark Pool, being an incel isn't a virtue any more than being too weak to defend your family is a virtue. Restraint is a virtue; the inability to act is a vice.

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09-26-2019 12:29 AM
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(09-25-2019 11:30 PM)doc holliday Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 10:55 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  
(09-25-2019 05:00 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Dark Pool, I don't understand what that has to do with what I wrote. I was complaining about guys whose entire love life consists of going to Thailand and hiring hundreds of whores, then pretending to be paragons of success. That lifestyle may be understandable, of course - but it completely discredits any travel and game advice that they might provide.

I never even mentioned girlfriends, incels, sinners or whatever else your post is about.

You can just report them and their posts if they are propagating sex for money. You can't expect the mods at STW (me included) to know the history of every guy who posted here before, especially since they change usernames.

Be that as it may Rottenapple, your site in general is a hot mess. A lot of the less than desirable posters who were here have left and jumped over to your site. Half of the posts on STW are low value or just straight up troll posts by troll posters. I've read your site repeatedly and tried to like it but there is very little of value being talked about over there. Hell I'd say the majority of the posts on STW since the end of May have been gripes about this forum. I will say that since Roosh decided to change the forum, the quality of the posts here has improved a fair bit even though the traffic has for sure died down. Lesser quantity has led to better quality. I can say though that STW is better than that Male Privilege forum though, so there is that.

Fair enough, I actually agree with all that. The quality has been low, that's why I'm hoping guys will come over. Btw it's not my site, I just tried to help out since the May announcements here and became a mod, I wasn't even on STW before that (nor was Scotian). I have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so, but I am genuinely concerned there won't be any platform left for men to talk about everything they used to on here.

I disagree about the quality on here though, it is still going downhill and there is not much left now, which makes sense, if you take out the two pillars of the site then that is the logical evolution.

So far, I don't see any forum that is doing good, which is a damn shame. The only advantage STW has at least is that you are free to talk about what you want, which I believe is essential. There are only two options for the community now, choose a new platform (whichever one) or let the community die out.
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(09-25-2019 01:44 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  I'm eagerly waiting until Roosh or one of us here cracks the matrix on the alternative of casual dating.
How is that even possible, I don't know, but I sure hope things would get better in the dating market.
At least we have the prior RP knowledge on women which might or might not help on that pursuit.
It may take another war to return to conservative roles like Simeon said on some thread however.

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I didn't realize you were just a mod there so I apologize for the confusion. While I agree that there does need to be a site where guys can talk about the things that made this site as popular as it was, the reason that STW is not gaining any traction is that those topics have pretty much all played themselves out, especially with veteran posters. A lot of guys who were mainstays on here have moved on to other things in their lives, some are still living the player lifestyle but they just don't want to talk a whole lot about it anymore. The guys these days who want to talk about game and travel are often young guys who are getting started out. Those guys do need a place to talk about these topics but the problem is that so many of these dudes are socially inept and that translates to low quality posting and worse yet, trolling. At this point, all of the info is out there so these guys need to just read everything that is archived here and then go out and put it into practice, rather than just circle jerking on a forum and talking endlessly about it.

A lot of guys who were active on here have also formed their own Slack or Discord groups and are talking there. I've been invited to join but I've declined because there's just too much drama with some of these guys and it doesn't interest me a whole lot to talk about the same things over and over. This forum has taken quite a dramatic turn in the last 5 months but I plan on sticking around and encouraging guys who want to move past the hedonistic player lifestyle, a lifestyle that I never really thought was all that great to be pursuing even when it was the central focus of RVF. I wish you the best in trying to fix up STW but I think that given its focus, finding high quality posters will be a tough task.
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Quote:The Travel Forum was about a lot more than just getting laid. I posted stuff after I traveled to Iquitos in Perú and Ulaanbaatar in Mongolia.

Yeah there I’m sure are a lot us who like to travel but for whom it doesn’t involve picking up foreign women, etc.

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Personally I didn't mind the original change from casual sex to more LTR/Marriage focus. I didn't find much value in the "+1 notch, gained a Bulgarian flag OMGZ."

I personally don't believe the long term player lifestyle is sustainable for the vast majority of the male population and it's stupid to continually encourage it.

However, I feel that game, relationships, sex outside of marriage, and especially the travel forum are keys to a player's success in moving on to the next step in our lives. What if we don't have success with a Christian marriage in the states? We must try our luck abroad, and the travel forum was essential in providing data sheets that shed light around dating in a foreign land.

It seems like it's going to be super difficult to navigate around the new forum if I want to ask a straightforward question on where to meet women in Brazil, even if my intentions are towards marriage.

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(09-26-2019 11:29 AM)Graft Wrote:  Personally I didn't mind the original change from casual sex to more LTR/Marriage focus. I didn't find much value in the "+1 notch, gained a Bulgarian flag OMGZ."

I personally don't believe the long term player lifestyle is sustainable for the vast majority of the male population and it's stupid to continually encourage it.

However, I feel that game, relationships, sex outside of marriage, and especially the travel forum are keys to a player's success in moving on to the next step in our lives. What if we don't have success with a Christian marriage in the states? We must try our luck abroad, and the travel forum was essential in providing data sheets that shed light around dating in a foreign land.

It seems like it's going to be super difficult to navigate around the new forum if I want to ask a straightforward question on where to meet women in Brazil, even if my intentions are towards marriage.

I concur. The first part is about us being too egotistical and less caring of others. It's one thing to gain experience through different girls, but to continuously do it endlessly while not learning from it says something.

However the last part is the only thing I differ from. It's good intentions to want to build families. But It's careless thinking to actually want a marriage.
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I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.
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(09-26-2019 11:29 AM)Graft Wrote:  Personally I didn't mind the original change from casual sex to more LTR/Marriage focus. I didn't find much value in the "+1 notch, gained a Bulgarian flag OMGZ."

I personally don't believe the long term player lifestyle is sustainable for the vast majority of the male population and it's stupid to continually encourage it.

However, I feel that game, relationships, sex outside of marriage, and especially the travel forum are keys to a player's success in moving on to the next step in our lives. What if we don't have success with a Christian marriage in the states? We must try our luck abroad, and the travel forum was essential in providing data sheets that shed light around dating in a foreign land.

It seems like it's going to be super difficult to navigate around the new forum if I want to ask a straightforward question on where to meet women in Brazil, even if my intentions are towards marriage.

The main question is if traveling, "dating", cohabitation, fornication is actually essential for leading into a successful marriage. The empirical evidence points towards the opposite.

People are confused and helpless, because Roosh essentially removed Western customs for setting up male-female relations from the forum. But that might actually help in finding a better solution.
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(09-26-2019 12:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.

It has not been removed. It is closed to new posts. This is not an issue because everything that could ever be written about game has already been covered there many times over. Use the search function. If you need to post in a game forum you will have to go elsewhere.
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(09-26-2019 12:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.

I think you got a point here. We can't expect women to fall for us just cause. We got to put work in and push through the failures. Without the experience, you are pretty much relying on luck to succeed. A recipe for disaster.

Its like stepping on a basketball court against college or High School players while barely dribbling a basketball in your life. Also playing chess against a 1600+ rated player without any serious practices. In both cases you're highly likely to get crushed easily.

The main thing is to get experience in and learn from your mistakes.
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Maybe some of the most useful game threads should be stickied at the top of the Game forum archive, now that they won't be popping up fresh in the daily flow of new posting.

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(09-26-2019 11:18 AM)doc holliday Wrote:  I didn't realize you were just a mod there so I apologize for the confusion. While I agree that there does need to be a site where guys can talk about the things that made this site as popular as it was, the reason that STW is not gaining any traction is that those topics have pretty much all played themselves out, especially with veteran posters. A lot of guys who were mainstays on here have moved on to other things in their lives, some are still living the player lifestyle but they just don't want to talk a whole lot about it anymore. The guys these days who want to talk about game and travel are often young guys who are getting started out. Those guys do need a place to talk about these topics but the problem is that so many of these dudes are socially inept and that translates to low quality posting and worse yet, trolling. At this point, all of the info is out there so these guys need to just read everything that is archived here and then go out and put it into practice, rather than just circle jerking on a forum and talking endlessly about it.

A lot of guys who were active on here have also formed their own Slack or Discord groups and are talking there. I've been invited to join but I've declined because there's just too much drama with some of these guys and it doesn't interest me a whole lot to talk about the same things over and over. This forum has taken quite a dramatic turn in the last 5 months but I plan on sticking around and encouraging guys who want to move past the hedonistic player lifestyle, a lifestyle that I never really thought was all that great to be pursuing even when it was the central focus of RVF. I wish you the best in trying to fix up STW but I think that given its focus, finding high quality posters will be a tough task.

The highlighted part will be difficult since Heartiste blog is gone and travel/game sections are no longer visible for non registered users. New young guys showing up to this place will no longer have an idea of all the info that is here and won't even bother to sign up.

I do agree about the older veterans having moved on. It's just unfortunate for the next generations and I think we should not neglect them, even if the majority of them do not seem to be very willing to contribute. We talk so much about societal decline, well, ensuring the necessary info is available is one of the steps we can take to try to prevent it.
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(09-26-2019 12:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.

You can learn all that in a day, and then just put it in practice.

I still haven't figured out what you guys spent the past 10 years discussing about "game." Women are not intelligent, interesting, nor difficult.

Just be dominant, don't take them seriously, and don't use logic and you should be fine in your wife hunt.

I'll say this much, if you're asking what to text your future wife, then you're putting far too much effort into her.
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(09-26-2019 12:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  I think removing the game section was a mistake. Most guys will need some game in order to find a wife. Essential skills like cold approach, displaying value, flirting, body language awareness, etc are important for any single man. Moving some game threads over to the relationship section isn't enough, in my opinion.

The first question I'm coming up with is how many wifes people writing many books about the topics discussed in those forum sections found themselves.

Personally I think these sections were about coping with a society in full self destruction mode - something I figured out ahead of time more than a decade ago (Black Pill), but without having the right answer to it (God Pill).

At some point the entire knowledge will only be of historical value about surviving an environment which no longer exists, because it destructed itself successfully.

Now the forum owner made a decision to not see this through to the inevitable end, which from my personal PoV is fully understandable.
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I strongly disagree with the closing of the travel forum. A lot of members, myself included, enjoy traveling to new places. When I am unable to do so I enjoy reading other forum members experiences. I understand Roosh's point of how in the end travel is futile to our soul but there are many of us that enjoy it anyway. There isn't much value in today's Anglosphere... it's become necessary to experience other cultures where conservative values still exist. I understand travel talk can be conversed about in the Life Forum but it isn't the same. Some great ongoing discussions were held in the closed forum.

Also, the closing of the meetup forum is a serious loss. I've used it many times in the past and have met some great men from all walks of life. To me this is what our RVF community is all about.
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Women aren’t hard to get but they change. What worked 10 years ago doesn’t work today. Being dominant can land u in prison, being an alpha male can get you laughed at. Certain trends change and most of the senior guys on here are so experienced in the basics that they can adapt. It’s like fishing, the core elements work. You cast you hook you reel in. But certain fish like certain lures, some like different spots/environments, some need different hooks, different line, wait periods, technique. The best fishermen know how to cast, hook, reel because it’s second nature. But they also know fish through experience and research. One thing that make men so great is we pass down knowledge, women don’t really do that as much.
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(09-26-2019 01:48 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  One thing that make men so great is we pass down knowledge, women don’t really do that as much.

Women live in the moment, and rarely think about future moments (one notable exception being when they figure out they can extort money from a man that will keep them set for life, via child support, alimony, or a """hostile work environment""" lawsuit).

It's one reason women, generally, don't make good leaders: All the good leaders I've known have made it a point to pass on lessons learned, whether through formal, military-style after action reviews or informal coaching. Women rarely do that. They DO like to nag and boss you around, but rarely is it coupled with the logic of "We tried it this way 10 times and got good results 2 times, then we tried it this other way 11 times and got good results 9 times, so the latter way is what works". Never trial-and-error, never scientific method. Just in-the-moment emotional discharge. That describes 99 out of every 100 women i've ever worked for or with. Natural born leaders, they are not.
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(09-26-2019 01:48 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Women aren’t hard to get but they change. What worked 10 years ago doesn’t work today. Being dominant can land u in prison, being an alpha male can get you laughed at. Certain trends change and most of the senior guys on here are so experienced in the basics that they can adapt. It’s like fishing, the core elements work. You cast you hook you reel in. But certain fish like certain lures, some like different spots/environments, some need different hooks, different line, wait periods, technique. The best fishermen know how to cast, hook, reel because it’s second nature. But they also know fish through experience and research. One thing that make men so great is we pass down knowledge, women don’t really do that as much.

I don't feel that's actually true. What's necessary now is being extremely good at reading cues so you know exactly what you can get away with before you start making people feel uncomfortable.
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(09-26-2019 03:01 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 01:48 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Women aren’t hard to get but they change. What worked 10 years ago doesn’t work today. Being dominant can land u in prison, being an alpha male can get you laughed at. Certain trends change and most of the senior guys on here are so experienced in the basics that they can adapt. It’s like fishing, the core elements work. You cast you hook you reel in. But certain fish like certain lures, some like different spots/environments, some need different hooks, different line, wait periods, technique. The best fishermen know how to cast, hook, reel because it’s second nature. But they also know fish through experience and research. One thing that make men so great is we pass down knowledge, women don’t really do that as much.

I don't feel that's actually true. What's necessary now is being extremely good at reading cues so you know exactly what you can get away with before you start making people feel uncomfortable.

But the question remains is how are you going to be able to even recognize this without any experience? Reading a book can only get you so far. True growth comes from being out in the trenches.

Donfitz007 is correct. Men need to adapt to the current environment.
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(09-26-2019 03:01 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  
(09-26-2019 01:48 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  Women aren’t hard to get but they change. What worked 10 years ago doesn’t work today. Being dominant can land u in prison, being an alpha male can get you laughed at. Certain trends change and most of the senior guys on here are so experienced in the basics that they can adapt. It’s like fishing, the core elements work. You cast you hook you reel in. But certain fish like certain lures, some like different spots/environments, some need different hooks, different line, wait periods, technique. The best fishermen know how to cast, hook, reel because it’s second nature. But they also know fish through experience and research. One thing that make men so great is we pass down knowledge, women don’t really do that as much.

I don't feel that's actually true. What's necessary now is being extremely good at reading cues so you know exactly what you can get away with before you start making people feel uncomfortable.
Exactly so how is one to get better without help. Back in my early days i did it with trial and error, got pretty good but wasn't great until i got to learn pick up online. Even then I was successful with women but a simp, until sites like this taught me the true nature of women.
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RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
As a younger member, I feel like I have to voice my displeasure with the closing of the travel section. It feels like an absolute betrayal to members in their 20s like myself. Roosh, I get your life direction has changed, and I will always respect what you did for guys like us in past years, but younger members like myself feel like we got left out to dry.

I say this because I remember reading your backstory about how you left DC when you were 26 or 27, right around the age I am now. You traveled the world for a good decade, built your own remote income, and brought men that like to travel, be independent, and wanted to meet women together.

I don't know if any of you know what it's like trying to find another travel group where you can openly talk from a male perspective the way you can here, but it's hard. I've honestly tried almost 10 other groups, not one really does a good job with this, and a lot tend to get defensive when you bring up stuff more catered to males. Swoop has probably been the closest to this, despite the unnecessarily strong criticism by Handsome Creepy Eel before.

The point is, I'm at a stage of my life where Roosh was about a decade ago. This was a great resource to help guys like me get started when I first started traveling. Where are young men who missed the boat going to go now? They need advice, and they need to have experiences before settling down for marriage. Most importantly, they need to know there are options for settling down with women outside of their local area...

As far back as I could remember, I always wanted to be a player.

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Post: #75
RE: Major forum changes (September 2019)
I am pretty new to PUA, Red pill and general philosophy and seeing the world for what it really is. Anyways, I like the shift of the forum because as a young guy, I find it inspiring to read and learn from oder men and their experience regarding general life, don't only gaming women. I personally always refused the hedonistic and shallow society. My only issue with this whole change is, being red pilled opened my eyes and after being dumped by my first gf after 3 years because she wanted to hop on the CC, I feel lost. She didn't have any red flags and the LTR was going good until I showed weakness because of my mentally ill mother. My question is, how would you pursue any meaningful relationship with women when the liberty provided by our "superior" democratic system would encourage them to fornicate. I feel lost because there isn't even one prospect of a good girl in my whole social circle. Even the religious ones began to be active sexually. Its just a lost game. At this point its a two way highway. Either you go full monk mode or you use women just for sexual relief.N either of those option seem good.
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