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(10-04-2019 10:22 AM)scorpion Wrote:  Most of these "daygame instructors" are total clowns who just spam approach. Spam approaching by clueless newbies is a disaster for both the guy and the girls he's approaching. This applies doubly for spamming direct approaches. Walking up to every girl you see in the street and telling her she's sexy is not game, and women are right to consider it borderline harassment. Imagine how awful it would be if ugly, fat women were constantly approaching you in the street and telling you how handsome you are and how much they wanted to bang you?

I remember seeing one of James Tusk's coaching videos where this slovenly-dressed, out of shape black guy was under his tutelage. Instead of first changing this guy's style and fitness, he was having him marching around the streets of London opening 8s and 9s, one of whom (this smoking hot blonde) just said simply "Look, I'm not interested". Very embarrassing to watch.
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Simple Pickup deleted all their pickup videos last month. The channel name is now Kong Pham and will be a lifestyle channel. Videos are mostly useless... he has a hard time getting to the point.








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(10-10-2019 11:26 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Simple Pickup deleted all their pickup videos last month. The channel name is now Kong Pham and will be a lifestyle channel. Videos are mostly useless... he has a hard time getting to the point.








"My videos weren't fake... except for these ones." Dodgy

I see that RSD Owen, SimplePickup, and pretty much everyone else who had a decent stream of revenue from PUA/Game is switching to lifestyle/self help. I don't necessarily see this is as bad. Just a sign of the times.
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(10-11-2019 12:19 AM)monsquid Wrote:  I see that RSD Owen, SimplePickup, and pretty much everyone else who had a decent stream of revenue from PUA/Game is switching to lifestyle/self help. I don't necessarily see this is as bad. Just a sign of the times.

A gambit on Tony Robbins charlatan huckster game then.
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(10-01-2019 07:55 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Posted this in another thread, but it is very relevant here.

The BBC went undercover at a Street Attraction bootcamp. Here's a clip:

BBC Daygame Doc

Street Attraction were guys I always thought were relatively mild and more professional than most other daygame companies. If they're being demonised than everyone is fair game.

I wonder if Tom Torero has been caught up in all of this since he's completely disappeared.

Over at West Indian Archie's blog, someone in the comments has posted the BBC doc, which is very short.

It reminds me of the cat calling video where the woman walked all over New York for 8 hours, didn't really get cat called, and had to redefine cat calling to make the point she wanted to make.

If this guy went under cover with a Pick Up company to expose them, he really didn't get what he was looking for judging from his documentary.

So he has to pad it out by saying how scared he was wearing a hidden camera, or using a fake name, or having to change batteries in the rest room. And then he has to change the subject to the guy who got arrested (as mentioned early in this thread) who he didn't really have any dealings with.

I just don't see that he found them guilty of doing anything really wrong or he would have shown it in the documentary.

Instead, he tries to drum up feelings of fear and disgust in the viewer based on the fear he felt going undercover.

I am sure the documentary will still have its intended effect on viewers who are looking for straight male boogey men. It's just that it comes across as a very lame attempt at a smear if you look at the actual evidence he presents.




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(10-11-2019 11:33 AM)Renzy Wrote:  

She is a lesbian.

This is what happens, when you get the gay into legislation: They outlaw heterosexuality.
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Rsd took pretty much all of their pua videos down the other day. Spoke to a buddy in the company he told me it's temporary, they're trying to dodge the current news trend. We'll see what happens
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(10-11-2019 04:32 PM)antman333 Wrote:  Rsd took pretty much all of their pua videos down the other day. Spoke to a buddy in the company he told me it's temporary, they're trying to dodge the current news trend. We'll see what happens

lol so they run and hide again....

You'd think with instructors who apparently have slept with 100-900 women each they would have at least a few women coming to their defense when the shit hits the fan....
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That MPs legislative move is insane.

I used to teach Day-Game and PUA techniques in London, had online reviews from people (thankfully I was known by a bullshit PUA 'handle')

I remember when the Justin LeBlanc controversy blew up, people I knew were saying "if you even read these PUA books, I will unfriend you.."

So I said to one of them, "you know I taught this stuff before? Are you going to unfriend me now..?'
'No, no - you're alright mate. I didn't mean you.'

I wonder if this is an example of the militias coming to Ukrainian farmers' houses and coming away with prisoners thinking "why were we shitting ourselves about 'resistance'?"
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(10-11-2019 08:18 PM)hedonist Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 04:32 PM)antman333 Wrote:  Rsd took pretty much all of their pua videos down the other day. Spoke to a buddy in the company he told me it's temporary, they're trying to dodge the current news trend. We'll see what happens

lol so they run and hide again....

You'd think with instructors who apparently have slept with 100-900 women each they would have at least a few women coming to their defense when the shit hits the fan....

That's a good point. It's ironic how despite all their mastery of women, relationships, and social dynamics they all have broken personal lives and crippling need for attention and insecurity.

What's the deal with RSD Julien? He seems to be a total narcissist that's manipulating Owen behind the scenes.
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I always knew Game would become less effective but I never predicted the guru types self-censoring to prevent fines. I always thought if they would plow through in a different country but we now live in a world where visas and payment processors can ban you at a flick of the switch. Never would have imagined these guys would try to lateral into life style coaching.
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Meanwhile in Glasgow: Romani Gypsy gang jailed for woman slaving and selling Slovakian women to Pakistani men.

Also from UK: it’s National Coming Out Today.

And again: MP thinks men who pay up to £4000 per boot camp do so because they think women are sub-human.

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I suspect that any legislation to criminalise the bottom 80%’s access to women will make reference to this book:

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/gyk37...ction-book

I don’t know how this sexual entitlement charge has come about. The last thing a sexually entitled man is going to to is to spend £1000s and 100s of hours making dating and sex even easier for women.

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So the UK might just equate pick up with domestic abuse. A sane person would that they would first take care of the Pakistani grooming gangs.
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(10-11-2019 11:28 PM)monsquid Wrote:  What's the deal with RSD Julien? He seems to be a total narcissist that's manipulating Owen behind the scenes.

Julien got married.

IN fact though, I don't think the BBC thing has much to do with RSD.

RSD were already on the way out. Shut down their forums like 4 months ago! And been slowly deleting content since then.

They must have Decided it was easier to charge people money to tell them how to 'be happy' and meditate, or talk about business' than it would be to get some ugly, short, skinny old nerd laid with some smoking hot 18 year old cheerleader using 'game'! Especially in todays insta/tinder world where it seems like the landscape has changed beyond recognition

The last vid I saw of Tylers (his tour vid) was a kick in the teeth for the whole 'age and looks don't matter' stuff, as he was getting pretty much blanked by the hot young girls he was opening! (He did get one or 2 makeouts with slightly older women tbf, but seemingly only with the help of his swinging girlfriend who was the one making it happen!!!). But he was getting blanked more than in his earlier infields! Almost as if being older and fatter had an effect!

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(10-12-2019 04:18 AM)subterfuge Wrote:  
(10-11-2019 11:28 PM)monsquid Wrote:  What's the deal with RSD Julien? He seems to be a total narcissist that's manipulating Owen behind the scenes.

Julien got married.

IN fact though, I don't think the BBC thing has much to do with RSD.

RSD were already on the way out. Shut down their forums like 4 months ago! And been slowly deleting content since then.

They must have Decided it was easier to charge people money to tell them how to 'be happy' and meditate, or talk about business' than it would be to get some ugly, short, skinny old nerd laid with some smoking hot 18 year old cheerleader using 'game'! Especially in todays insta/tinder world where it seems like the landscape has changed beyond recognition

The last vid I saw of Tylers (his tour vid) was a kick in the teeth for the whole 'age and looks don't matter' stuff, as he was getting pretty much blanked by the hot young girls he was opening! (He did get one or 2 makeouts with slightly older women tbf, but seemingly only with the help of his swinging girlfriend who was the one making it happen!!!). But he was getting blanked more than in his earlier infields! Almost as if being older and fatter had an effect!

If you put Game in apostrophes, then your path to the incel side of the Red Pill is as good as complete.

Game is real and powerful, especially in relationships it's the difference between a happy one and an unhappy one and divorce. Obviously Game only adds some points to your seduction ability - though sometimes the high-octane approacher gets a smokeshow just the same. Basic seduction possiblity is based on body, looks, height, ethnicity in the market you are moving in as well as age. Age just matters not as much as Blue Pill guys or Incel/MGTOW men claim it does.

Tyler doing far worse being fat and bearded, looking like papa Smurf - that is no surprise. But he had plenty of credible infield approaches even a few years ago being in his mid 30s and seducing hot teenagers in the US as a short ginger. His looks are at best a 6 in male terms and obviously with fat and long beard - as well as age - decreasing to 4-5.

The PUAs are disappearing with the online content because of legal issues as well as the insane feminist Bolsheviks, straight- and male-hating bastards going after them. Some were of course black sheep like this recent British Muslim guy or that black American who faked being a Hiphop producer and then on camera threatened a girl with his gun collection, so she better had to fake being in love with him.

Still - there are good men out there - Roosh, Krauser, the guys around the London Daygame school - even old RSD content is better than to have no Game at all.

And most Game-learning men contrary to opinion don't become Players - they usually do a few approaches, become better with women and then get a girlfriend or wife due to having more skills. Those will be also useful later in their relationships.

PUAs did God's work to a certain degree - because they brought enough input about female nature. Even religious guys like Dalrock based their relationship Game advice on the Game provided by the PUAs, because they had sufficiently high experience with women which equated actual studies or reports of countless male experiences. Without them then the believing marriage-oriented men would know jack shit and would be operating in the old model which kept women in check by the entirety of society, media, older women etc.
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(10-12-2019 06:56 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
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(10-11-2019 11:28 PM)monsquid Wrote:  What's the deal with RSD Julien? He seems to be a total narcissist that's manipulating Owen behind the scenes.

Julien got married.

IN fact though, I don't think the BBC thing has much to do with RSD.

RSD were already on the way out. Shut down their forums like 4 months ago! And been slowly deleting content since then.

They must have Decided it was easier to charge people money to tell them how to 'be happy' and meditate, or talk about business' than it would be to get some ugly, short, skinny old nerd laid with some smoking hot 18 year old cheerleader using 'game'! Especially in todays insta/tinder world where it seems like the landscape has changed beyond recognition

The last vid I saw of Tylers (his tour vid) was a kick in the teeth for the whole 'age and looks don't matter' stuff, as he was getting pretty much blanked by the hot young girls he was opening! (He did get one or 2 makeouts with slightly older women tbf, but seemingly only with the help of his swinging girlfriend who was the one making it happen!!!). But he was getting blanked more than in his earlier infields! Almost as if being older and fatter had an effect!

If you put Game in apostrophes, then your path to the incel side of the Red Pill is as good as complete.

Game is real and powerful, especially in relationships it's the difference between a happy one and an unhappy one and divorce. Obviously Game only adds some points to your seduction ability - though sometimes the high-octane approacher gets a smokeshow just the same. Basic seduction possiblity is based on body, looks, height, ethnicity in the market you are moving in as well as age. Age just matters not as much as Blue Pill guys or Incel/MGTOW men claim it does.

Tyler doing far worse being fat and bearded, looking like papa Smurf - that is no surprise. But he had plenty of credible infield approaches even a few years ago being in his mid 30s and seducing hot teenagers in the US as a short ginger. His looks are at best a 6 in male terms and obviously with fat and long beard - as well as age - decreasing to 4-5.

The PUAs are disappearing with the online content because of legal issues as well as the insane feminist Bolsheviks, straight- and male-hating bastards going after them. Some were of course black sheep like this recent British Muslim guy or that black American who faked being a Hiphop producer and then on camera threatened a girl with his gun collection, so she better had to fake being in love with him.

Still - there are good men out there - Roosh, Krauser, the guys around the London Daygame school - even old RSD content is better than to have no Game at all.

And most Game-learning men contrary to opinion don't become Players - they usually do a few approaches, become better with women and then get a girlfriend or wife due to having more skills. Those will be also useful later in their relationships.

PUAs did God's work to a certain degree - because they brought enough input about female nature. Even religious guys like Dalrock based their relationship Game advice on the Game provided by the PUAs, because they had sufficiently high experience with women which equated actual studies or reports of countless male experiences. Without them then the believing marriage-oriented men would know jack shit and would be operating in the old model which kept women in check by the entirety of society, media, older women etc.

Great breakdown. Yeah I definitely agree that Game made a small but critical difference in cultural dialogue. In many ways it was the natural counter to women's sexual liberation. With greater choice in partners (for both serious and casual relationships) the approach to getting women was changing in the late 80's and 90's.

I've been following the community since my teenage years starting with alt.seduction. The days of NLP, Ross Jeffries, Bandler, Mystery, and a whole host of other people. I never paid for a bootcamp or anything but I was paying attention because as a short average looks male nerd I knew this was something I had to put more conscious effort into.

By sheer numbers, lots of money spent going out, and testosterone I did eventually lose my virginity at 22. Much later than most men. Then spending a few years living in Japan while making good money helped me get a different perspective. I improved my personal style and gained more confidence thanks to my professional successes.

Now in my early 30s I have no desire to approach women. I don't like going out at night, let alone just to hit on women in the hopes of playing the numbers game long enough to get a bite with an average woman. I also recognize the importance of looks, height, and status. Most importantly I realize that Game has helped me get laid and improve my life in certain respects but it hasn't helped at all in me getting a successful healthy LTR at this point in my life.

I want to have a family and raise kids in a traditional nuclear family but I feel like it's a losing battle. Not sure what I'm going to do.
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What I see here is as follows:

1) Many daygame camps that got shut down are crap because they don't emphasize the "foundation" that good Game teachers focus on, which is the items you should not do when talking to women and the items you should do to improve your odds of getting a woman. The camps that do it right survive and unfortunately, have to put up with negative press caused by bad camps
2) England is ClownTown central
3) Libruls in all shapes and sizes are bonafide idiots
4) Faggots and Dykes get the bog
5) Commies gotta go
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(10-12-2019 12:06 PM)monsquid Wrote:  Now in my early 30s I have no desire to approach women. I don't like going out at night, let alone just to hit on women in the hopes of playing the numbers game long enough to get a bite with an average woman. I also recognize the importance of looks, height, and status. Most importantly I realize that Game has helped me get laid and improve my life in certain respects but it hasn't helped at all in me getting a successful healthy LTR at this point in my life.

I want to have a family and raise kids in a traditional nuclear family but I feel like it's a losing battle. Not sure what I'm going to do.

Swallow the God Pill. Become a faithful high-value Christian man, who puts Jesus first before any woman. Get approached by an entirely different breed than what you can pick up with fornicator's game.

We have incels denouncing game as completely useless while "game instructors" advertise it gets you any girl. Both are wrong. Game yields you a certain specific subset of degenerates with an usually high notch count. Not quite the right kind if you're looking for a traditional family.
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(10-13-2019 12:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Swallow the God Pill. Become a faithful high-value Christian man, who puts Jesus first before any woman. Get approached by an entirely different breed than what you can pick up with fornicator's game.

We have incels denouncing game as completely useless while "game instructors" advertise it gets you any girl. Both are wrong. Game yields you a certain specific subset of degenerates with an usually high notch count. Not quite the right kind if you're looking for a traditional family.

So when all men in America swallow the God Pill, will there be enough in-shape and tattoo-free women for them to attract 1:1?

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(10-13-2019 12:52 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  
(10-13-2019 12:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  Swallow the God Pill. Become a faithful high-value Christian man, who puts Jesus first before any woman. Get approached by an entirely different breed than what you can pick up with fornicator's game.

We have incels denouncing game as completely useless while "game instructors" advertise it gets you any girl. Both are wrong. Game yields you a certain specific subset of degenerates with an usually high notch count. Not quite the right kind if you're looking for a traditional family.

So when all men in America swallow the God Pill, will there be enough in-shape and tattoo-free women for them to attract 1:1?

Read again what he wrote. You don't turn to God just to find a woman. This is not faith, but a worldly scheme.

"But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things."

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(10-12-2019 12:06 PM)monsquid Wrote:  
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(10-11-2019 11:28 PM)monsquid Wrote:  What's the deal with RSD Julien? He seems to be a total narcissist that's manipulating Owen behind the scenes.

Julien got married.

IN fact though, I don't think the BBC thing has much to do with RSD.

RSD were already on the way out. Shut down their forums like 4 months ago! And been slowly deleting content since then.

They must have Decided it was easier to charge people money to tell them how to 'be happy' and meditate, or talk about business' than it would be to get some ugly, short, skinny old nerd laid with some smoking hot 18 year old cheerleader using 'game'! Especially in todays insta/tinder world where it seems like the landscape has changed beyond recognition

The last vid I saw of Tylers (his tour vid) was a kick in the teeth for the whole 'age and looks don't matter' stuff, as he was getting pretty much blanked by the hot young girls he was opening! (He did get one or 2 makeouts with slightly older women tbf, but seemingly only with the help of his swinging girlfriend who was the one making it happen!!!). But he was getting blanked more than in his earlier infields! Almost as if being older and fatter had an effect!

If you put Game in apostrophes, then your path to the incel side of the Red Pill is as good as complete.

Game is real and powerful, especially in relationships it's the difference between a happy one and an unhappy one and divorce. Obviously Game only adds some points to your seduction ability - though sometimes the high-octane approacher gets a smokeshow just the same. Basic seduction possiblity is based on body, looks, height, ethnicity in the market you are moving in as well as age. Age just matters not as much as Blue Pill guys or Incel/MGTOW men claim it does.

Tyler doing far worse being fat and bearded, looking like papa Smurf - that is no surprise. But he had plenty of credible infield approaches even a few years ago being in his mid 30s and seducing hot teenagers in the US as a short ginger. His looks are at best a 6 in male terms and obviously with fat and long beard - as well as age - decreasing to 4-5.

The PUAs are disappearing with the online content because of legal issues as well as the insane feminist Bolsheviks, straight- and male-hating bastards going after them. Some were of course black sheep like this recent British Muslim guy or that black American who faked being a Hiphop producer and then on camera threatened a girl with his gun collection, so she better had to fake being in love with him.

Still - there are good men out there - Roosh, Krauser, the guys around the London Daygame school - even old RSD content is better than to have no Game at all.

And most Game-learning men contrary to opinion don't become Players - they usually do a few approaches, become better with women and then get a girlfriend or wife due to having more skills. Those will be also useful later in their relationships.

PUAs did God's work to a certain degree - because they brought enough input about female nature. Even religious guys like Dalrock based their relationship Game advice on the Game provided by the PUAs, because they had sufficiently high experience with women which equated actual studies or reports of countless male experiences. Without them then the believing marriage-oriented men would know jack shit and would be operating in the old model which kept women in check by the entirety of society, media, older women etc.

Great breakdown. Yeah I definitely agree that Game made a small but critical difference in cultural dialogue. In many ways it was the natural counter to women's sexual liberation. With greater choice in partners (for both serious and casual relationships) the approach to getting women was changing in the late 80's and 90's.

I've been following the community since my teenage years starting with alt.seduction. The days of NLP, Ross Jeffries, Bandler, Mystery, and a whole host of other people. I never paid for a bootcamp or anything but I was paying attention because as a short average looks male nerd I knew this was something I had to put more conscious effort into.

By sheer numbers, lots of money spent going out, and testosterone I did eventually lose my virginity at 22. Much later than most men. Then spending a few years living in Japan while making good money helped me get a different perspective. I improved my personal style and gained more confidence thanks to my professional successes.

Now in my early 30s I have no desire to approach women. I don't like going out at night, let alone just to hit on women in the hopes of playing the numbers game long enough to get a bite with an average woman. I also recognize the importance of looks, height, and status. Most importantly I realize that Game has helped me get laid and improve my life in certain respects but it hasn't helped at all in me getting a successful healthy LTR at this point in my life.

I want to have a family and raise kids in a traditional nuclear family but I feel like it's a losing battle. Not sure what I'm going to do.

You actually aren't alone in this. I've talked to more than a few guys in PM that are in similar situations, myself included. I plan to take a few years overseas to hunt for a wife and see what happens knowing nothing may come from it. I even acknowledge that a LTR may not even last more than a couple of years. I think most redpilled men acknowledge a trad marriage is a losing battle yet here we are exploring that option.
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RE: Day game instructors are shutting down their web sites
(10-11-2019 11:12 AM)debeguiled Wrote:  
(10-01-2019 07:55 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  Posted this in another thread, but it is very relevant here.

The BBC went undercover at a Street Attraction bootcamp. Here's a clip:

BBC Daygame Doc

Street Attraction were guys I always thought were relatively mild and more professional than most other daygame companies. If they're being demonised than everyone is fair game.

I wonder if Tom Torero has been caught up in all of this since he's completely disappeared.

Over at West Indian Archie's blog, someone in the comments has posted the BBC doc, which is very short.

It reminds me of the cat calling video where the woman walked all over New York for 8 hours, didn't really get cat called, and had to redefine cat calling to make the point she wanted to make.

If this guy went under cover with a Pick Up company to expose them, he really didn't get what he was looking for judging from his documentary.

So he has to pad it out by saying how scared he was wearing a hidden camera, or using a fake name, or having to change batteries in the rest room. And then he has to change the subject to the guy who got arrested (as mentioned early in this thread) who he didn't really have any dealings with.

I just don't see that he found them guilty of doing anything really wrong or he would have shown it in the documentary.

Instead, he tries to drum up feelings of fear and disgust in the viewer based on the fear he felt going undercover.

I am sure the documentary will still have its intended effect on viewers who are looking for straight male boogey men. It's just that it comes across as a very lame attempt at a smear if you look at the actual evidence he presents.




I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I can imagine some instructors shutting down just because it no longer becomes worthwhile at some point. You make money from the people who go to your boot camps, but then you effectively get doxxed by the BBC. Your clientele might become smaller because even guys who might benefit from boot camps like this don't want to get hunted down by their country's national broadcaster. It's a battle you can't win.

They are shutting down one possible avenue that could keep people from getting radicalised and doing something extreme, and they basically don't care. The boomers and 30-something NPCs who still trust the BBC no matter what, they're not going to doubt this idea that PUAs and PUA-haters/incels actually share the same ideology. They just take at face value that there is an organised "incel movement" that somehow includes the entire alphabet soup of PUAs, MGTOWs, MRAs and all those other old acronyms. Like the communists in the 1950s, supposedly card-carrying members of the incel movement are lurking everywhere and need to be exposed by the state broadcaster. You have doubts about this? What, are you some kind of incel yourself?

I personally wouldn't pay thousands for a boot camp, but I'm not really offended by the fact that others choose to do so, or that coaches are charging that kind of money. Plenty of upper middle class guys who have that kind of money to spare, but who couldn't hold a conversation with a woman to save their lives. Insecure people spending big money on intangibles that may or may not improve their lives, yeah, that sounds like basic consumer capitalism to me.

Boot camps aren't game though, they're just one possible avenue to kickstart new guys into game. Guys who have recently become game-aware but don't feel up to just approaching like that, because just being aware of game doesn't erase 18+ years of all of society conditioning you to be a wimp who's literally afraid of women. Cut off these avenues, it doesn't actually solve anything, it doesn't even destroy PUAs or game, they'll just find some other way to do their thing. Even if game literature turns into a kind of online samizdat, even if boot camps turn into strictly vetted underground occasions, people will continue to engage in the very human activity of trying to improve their lives. Of course some people in a bad place will then no longer be able to learn about game or find like-minded guys, and they'll commit some other radical actions, and the blood will be on the hands of the SJWs and their accomplices.

They will persecute any person who tries to take control of any aspect of his life. They are offended by the idea that you can (within limits) influence your interactions with the opposite sex so that it's no longer simply a roll of the dice. The idea that you can gain some degree of knowledge as to what makes women tick. Can't have that. Even though the PUA community is a shadow of its former self, they still won't let it go. If at some point only one PUA guru remained in the entire world, they would still do bullshit insidery "exposés" on him. Tomorrow they'll declare that weighlifting is toxic (you have to eat a good deal of red meat), they're already going after the religious guys, etc.
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