Post: #76

(11-01-2019 12:21 AM)Brewer Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 07:51 PM)cosine Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 10:17 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I’m a bit concerned about the prohibition of dating advice. Is this forum now for Christian family men and single MGTOWS?

The main reason I was a late starter in the SMP and a very frustrated AFC was because of the lack of dating guidance I received when I was a very regular church goer in my teens and early 20s. The churches have not been able to react to women extending everyone’s adolescence until their 30s.

For a bit I went a bit nuts trying to bang women, then realized the actual relationships were far more valuable to me than one night stands... those ONS now seem worthless. And I began to really place value on women believing in God. Except, I had to learn that myself; when older people told me that I didn't believe them. I think that part of my path is a much less intense mirror of Roosh's.

My question for Roosh: since you didn't figure out that promiscuity wasn't good until you were deep, deep into it, how can you expect a 17-25 year old testosterone-filled young man to NOT want to chase pussy over marriage?

If you'd like more young men to find that path, I don't see how the current rules attract them at all.

Roosh, maybe you could clarify on this point: Do you intend this to be a community for men who are seeking, or men who have already decided on Christian faith?

For men who care about their salvation.

Post: #77

(10-31-2019 11:58 PM)N°6 Wrote:  ...
There’s a relationship sub-forum. It mentions “meeting women” then “maintaining relationships”. I’m enquiring about the huge gap in the middle. A gap which will become a gulf that the bottom 80% of men risk falling into.

As has been stated a hundred times by now:

There are no rules against discussing dating, but you cannot discuss pre-marital sex.
Thousands of years of male/female interaction didn't rely on spending 20 years fucking dozens of strangers.
That "gap in the middle" is debauchery which Roosh can no longer put his name to, and since his options were to alter the forum or close shop then we should be glad to still have a forum.
There is no magical minimum number of notches or special bedroom wizardry required to maintain a marriage.
The most successful marriages statistically are those where BOTH MEMBERS have minimal previous sexual partners, down to and including ZERO.
If young men don't want to hear this and are determined to fuck around then they are choosing to wallow in our degenerate modern culture, and demanding a means to navigate what you call that "gap in the middle" is like asking for a pathway to learning how to do heroin.
There are young women who just want to get married and have kids. Plain 6's with low to no previous sexual partners. They are literally invisible to men obsessed with sex because they don't wear make-up or put themselves in locations that men seeking casual sex attend. I personally go as far as to believe that God shields them from the eyes of the unworthy. No, they don't know how to give rim jobs. I'm very sorry that Roosh isn't willing to keep "helping" young men build the skills that will get their balls gargled by a series of syphilitic whores. Hopefully this dystopian nightmare future of low notch counts and stable relationships doesn't cause mass suicides.

There are dozens and dozens of men on the forum willing to help young men learn female nature and how to attract/keep a decent woman. If you weep for the young men who will never know the joys of using large numbers of women as masturbatory aids then there are other forums to attend and build up, though oddly from what I hear they've garnered very little traffic from the supposed mass-exodus they were going to be inundated with. I would seem that even the young men you fear for are cottoning on to the fact that the path we've all trod is poisoned ground.

Post: #78

It sounds like some people want Roosh to remain a Lothario for the rest of his life. That does not make sense.

Can you imagine an 80 year-old Roosh asking some 18 year-old girl where the pet shop is? Most people on this forum would consider that laughable.

A wise man will adapt his views as he gains more experience. This often means that he finds value in things that are greater than himself: i.e. God, marriage, kids, work, etc. Roosh has chosen a spiritual path for now…more power to him.

Post: #79

Read Dalrock’s “Gospel of the Carrousel” in response to women’s surprise that men prefer not to marry indebted women, covered in tattoos after they’ve tired of Chad. Christian men have cuckservatism’s courtly and romantic codes of chivalry to support as the designated princes as well as the dictats of feminism.

Christian men have more reason than most to need to be as wise as serpents while being gentle as doves (aka Game).

Post: #80

(11-01-2019 12:50 AM)MajorStyles Wrote:  Can you imagine an 80 year-old Roosh asking some 18 year-old girl where the pet shop is? Most people on this forum would consider that laughable.

That's (((Ross Jeffries))).

Post: #81

A unified collective of Christian conservative truth seeking men awake to a lot of the BS going on globally is much harder to control, subvert and misdirect from grabblers and the powers that be than a community tolerant of all types of miscreants.

They won’t stop trying or employing new strategies to infiltrate and disrupt of course.

There is a lot of positive energy at the moment with grassroots uprisings of cuckservative sellouts like Kirk. This forum maturing to another level is a great move forward I believe.

Logos rising

Post: #82

(10-31-2019 11:58 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 10:42 AM)wwtl Wrote:  

(10-31-2019 10:17 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I’m a bit concerned about the prohibition of dating advice. Is this forum now for Christian family men and single MGTOWS?

The main reason I was a late starter in the SMP and a very frustrated AFC was because of the lack of dating guidance I received when I was a very regular church goer in my teens and early 20s. The churches have not been able to react to women extending everyone’s adolescence until their 30s.

The "Game" forum is closed. There is nothing to misunderstand about this.

There’s a relationship sub-forum. It mentions “meeting women” then “maintaining relationships”. I’m enquiring about the huge gap in the middle. A gap which will become a gulf that the bottom 80% of men risk falling into.

There is no gap. "Game" is primarily about escalating from approach to sex, called "dating", which is off limits now on this forum.

The thing you need for "maintaining relationships" is "frame". Your "relationship" starts with the approach and gets consecutively upgraded until engagement followed by marriage.

We know most people now understand "relationship" (aka "dating") as adults playing "father, mother, child" like in kindergarten while having sex under contraception (this is where the term "game" comes from, it's pretend marriage child's play). But in a Christian context we don't bother with that. Christians go for the real thing for real adults.

Post: #83

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Post: #84

(10-31-2019 01:18 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  I understand with your newfound beliefs and direction why you view the forum that way. I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong, but it's untrue that that is ALL it was. I met many peers and many excellent human beings through this forum who have mentored me in a variety of aspects of my life. Countless men have improved their mindset, their physical fitness, their social calibration not only with women but with all people. Many have become far more successful in their professional lives as well. I've made so many incredible life-long friends outside the forum with the social skills I was able to learn here.

Shine a light on evil absolutely, but your forum was not all the antithesis of your newfound beliefs in that sense. I hope you realize this.

I thoroughly second this sentiment.

And I hope that in the future Roosh can look back on the majority of the forum as a truly positive force (which I believe strongly that it was).

There is a saying that roughly goes something like "even a small amount of dogshit in a large tub of ice cream will mean you treat the whole tub like dogshit". This seems to be how Roosh now views the forum up til this point. But I see it more like ice cream with a few hidden sewing needles: you are going to have to pick through it very carefully, and exercise your best judgement, patience, and so on... but once you navigate the needles you still have pure ice cream left over.

Post: #85

Roosh is a Boomer hypocrite.

He fucked every White whore in Europe from the years 2005 to 2018, and now he wants us to become celibate priests who molest boys and worship the Jewish Gods.

Post: #86

Please - it's his own personal path. How is that different from a PUA who closes down his business and gets married working for the firm of his wife?

Sure - it's more religious and more God-pilled, but that is about it.

Post: #87

There is a big culture shift that we are at the start of in the West.

When I was young I loved James Bond movies, as I'm sure many here did too. The movies were generally good except for one thing. In every movie our 'hero' Bond managed to get easy bangs from hot, normally foreign women. Ofcourse, we never did get to find out what happened to those relationships. Even as a ONS, did any of those girls get pregnant or did they use contraception?

Ofcourse we didnt get to find out what happened to those relationships. Because this is the ((Media)), where sex sells. Easy, cheap inconsequantial sex was used by those in control of Western Culture to sell their shitty products to us. We all in our generation bought into the hype.

A man was meant to "sow his wild oats" ironically meaning not actually sow them oat. Men will be Men they said after telling us how as Men we should value ourselves according to the number of meaningless sexual encounters we were able to have.

And yet, Liberalism, which was meant to empower women, began to use them as little more than glorified cum-dumpsters. The irony.

Now, as a 35yr old man, I remember growing up watching countless Americal sitcoms, many based around the High-School. All mixed sex. And in all of them, the central theme and drama always revolving around relationships, sex and cheating. So, all of us, myself and people around me, to some extent felt we were inadequate or missing out on some 'universal' human behaviour if werent in a 'relationship' at that age.

This is how globalists push their degenerate values. Get em young.

These were the values men and women were indoctrinated into in the post-war period of growing Liberalism and Capitalism.

But now, men are beginning to see the lie for what it is. And this is bigger than the Manosphere. Men (and women) are beginning to see that the emperor truly has no clothes. We were led to believe this is how things were meant to be, but now we see we were all fools. Those who seemed to know what they were doing when we were younger (Chads) of whom the rest were so envious, were really just as lost and indoctrinated as the rest of us. Willing pawns in the globalist game they were too.

This whole thing, that Roosh is now against, was really nothing but an American lie fuelled by the globalist powers based in LA and New York.

Male-Female relationships, and Love, have a spiritual side to them that can raise owns consciousness towards god. At 35 I am seeing things now I never saw before. Relationships can be beautifully complex and rich. Quick bangs are the opposite and low value.

Those of you saying it's hard to find a good relationship in the West, I am not sure. I live in the UK and sometimes I feel Western women are desperate for the GOOD MAN. The only problem is most (99%) of guys have no clue. Even those with high-notches are clueless.

Most guys are still chasing notches. Because it is easier to protect your ego when you just go for the low-hanging fruit. But that is not what women want. A woman doesnt care about sex, she wants the spiritual and emotional relationship. When, last week, a 20yr old German girl called me her "friend" after I had been interacting with her on-off for over a year, playing games with her, flirting etc, well it was no minor thing. You might say, yeah but you are not banging and some other guy might come in a do that, but you dont get it, no guy is gonna come in and do what I've easily. Now, this girl is in a good spot for me to develop things further, but I dont know what further looks like and what it should be. I dont want to Bang her and she is too young to start a family. But we have this. If I can keep her in my life for a few years great things can happen. Better than a cheap Bang a real positive relationship.

There are quite a few girls who value me very highly, probably the best guy they've met. I kid you not. These girls are 7+. I never got to bang any of them. Does that make me a loser? Obviously not. There is still time. I'm 35, the only way a 25yr old can 'compete' with me is for him to rush and go for a quick bang. In a stretched-out, relaxed, comfortable interaction that 25yr wont stand a chance.

The way to a woman's heart is not through her Vagina. There is no discussion here on the these deeper aspects of relationships. So it seems to me most men are just clueless.

Post: #88

In my humble opinion "it is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war".
A man with life experience who's seen and done it all, finally settling down and looking for deeper meaning would be better able to understand and implement the teachings of their religion, than a know-nothing noob who never had the experience and thus has no context and understanding, and is just following dogma.

It is similar in my eyes to a man who grew up in a rough neighborhood and got in constant fights, won and lost, then calming down and appreciating the value of nonviolence and only applying force when absolutely necessary (but still able to kick ass if need be for his loved ones), compared to a man who has led a sheltered existence and couldn't fight to save his life - that man will practice nonviolence but not by choice.

Even looking at society as a whole, the younger generation tends to rebel even against the best ideals, and have to find their own way eventually. They would much rather listen to and follow a man who knows what they're talking about regarding women and life, than to a priest who has been a priest his entire life and knows nothing else.

Post: #89

There is no value in Game beyond the basics. No value in notch counts.

Post: #90

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  There is a big culture shift that we are at the start of in the West.

When I was young I loved James Bond movies, as I'm sure many here did too. The movies were generally good except for one thing. In every movie our 'hero' Bond managed to get easy bangs from hot, normally foreign women. Ofcourse, we never did get to find out what happened to those relationships. Even as a ONS, did any of those girls get pregnant or did they use contraception?

Ofcourse we didnt get to find out what happened to those relationships. Because this is the ((Media)), where sex sells. Easy, cheap inconsequantial sex was used by those in control of Western Culture to sell their shitty products to us. We all in our generation bought into the hype.

A man was meant to "sow his wild oats" ironically meaning not actually sow them oat. Men will be Men they said after telling us how as Men we should value ourselves according to the number of meaningless sexual encounters we were able to have.

And yet, Liberalism, which was meant to empower women, began to use them as little more than glorified cum-dumpsters. The irony.

Now, as a 35yr old man, I remember growing up watching countless Americal sitcoms, many based around the High-School. All mixed sex. And in all of them, the central theme and drama always revolving around relationships, sex and cheating. So, all of us, myself and people around me, to some extent felt we were inadequate or missing out on some 'universal' human behaviour if werent in a 'relationship' at that age.

This is how globalists push their degenerate values. Get em young.

These were the values men and women were indoctrinated into in the post-war period of growing Liberalism and Capitalism.

But now, men are beginning to see the lie for what it is. And this is bigger than the Manosphere. Men (and women) are beginning to see that the emperor truly has no clothes. We were led to believe this is how things were meant to be, but now we see we were all fools. Those who seemed to know what they were doing when we were younger (Chads) of whom the rest were so envious, were really just as lost and indoctrinated as the rest of us. Willing pawns in the globalist game they were too.

This whole thing, that Roosh is now against, was really nothing but an American lie fuelled by the globalist powers based in LA and New York.

Male-Female relationships, and Love, have a spiritual side to them that can raise owns consciousness towards god. At 35 I am seeing things now I never saw before. Relationships can be beautifully complex and rich. Quick bangs are the opposite and low value.

Those of you saying it's hard to find a good relationship in the West, I am not sure. I live in the UK and sometimes I feel Western women are desperate for the GOOD MAN. The only problem is most (99%) of guys have no clue. Even those with high-notches are clueless.

Most guys are still chasing notches. Because it is easier to protect your ego when you just go for the low-hanging fruit. But that is not what women want. A woman doesnt care about sex, she wants the spiritual and emotional relationship. When, last week, a 20yr old German girl called me her "friend" after I had been interacting with her on-off for over a year, playing games with her, flirting etc, well it was no minor thing. You might say, yeah but you are not banging and some other guy might come in a do that, but you dont get it, no guy is gonna come in and do what I've easily. Now, this girl is in a good spot for me to develop things further, but I dont know what further looks like and what it should be. I dont want to Bang her and she is too young to start a family. But we have this. If I can keep her in my life for a few years great things can happen. Better than a cheap Bang a real positive relationship.

There are quite a few girls who value me very highly, probably the best guy they've met. I kid you not. These girls are 7+. I never got to bang any of them. Does that make me a loser? Obviously not. There is still time. I'm 35, the only way a 25yr old can 'compete' with me is for him to rush and go for a quick bang. In a stretched-out, relaxed, comfortable interaction that 25yr wont stand a chance.

The way to a woman's heart is not through her Vagina. There is no discussion here on the these deeper aspects of relationships. So it seems to me most men are just clueless.

James Bond was obviously isued by 'Q' with special sperm which self-destructed on impact, leaving no trace for the Russians to follow.

You can just hear 'Q' telling Sean Connery:

"Now look here 007, don't go around spraying it all over the place, you've no idea what it cost us"

No contraception needed, no pregnancies resulted.

Post: #91

Anyone who disagrees is welcome to use their God-given freewill and leave.

We are still men here. We are under no obligation to justify to anyone our reasons for doing anything we choose. We answer to God.

Roosh has gone out of his way to help the forum understand the changes he has enacted, as well as his reasons for doing so.

Post: #92

(11-01-2019 08:07 AM)Abhraham Wrote:  Roosh is a Boomer hypocrite.

He fucked every White whore in Europe from the years 2005 to 2018, and now he wants us to become celibate priests who molest boys and worship the Jewish Gods.

The boomers were born until 1964 or so. Roosh is a child of the late 70s.

If you can't get the basic facts right, then why should anyone read further?

Not that it would have been worth it.

Post: #93

Old fart the Boomer Meme applies to anyone who is a hypocrite. I guess you weren't born in the 2000s.

Roosh is like the whore who quits working in prostitution, found God, and now wants everyone else to avoid the lifestyle which she benefited from for years.

Boomer hypocrite!

Post: #94

(11-01-2019 08:51 AM)Abhraham Wrote:  Old fart the Boomer Meme applies to anyone who is a hypocrite. I guess you weren't born in the 2000s.

Roosh is like the whore who quits working in prostitution, found God, and now wants everyone else to avoid the lifestyle which she benefited from for years.

Boomer hypocrite!

"I say to you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repents, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance." Luke 15:7.

So you see:

Even idiots who go on other people's websites to insult the proprietor from the safety of anonymity have a chance.

Post: #95

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  Now, this girl is in a good spot for me to develop things further, but I dont know what further looks like and what it should be. I dont want to Bang her and she is too young to start a family. But we have this. If I can keep her in my life for a few years great things can happen. Better than a cheap Bang a real positive relationship.

When is she going to be "old enough to start a family"? At 30 and post-carousel and post-college indoctrination?

Post: #96

(10-30-2019 05:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a needed step for the forum to transition from a PUA/hedonist community to a men's Christian community. This rule should make it clear to all that RVF is no longer a place to learn about dating or meeting girls.

Honest question: I believe God gives us men the capacity to navigate the world through instructions he's given us on how to lead our lives appropriately along with the capacity to use logic as well; yet, with that being said, how much of the aforementioned data in regards to dealing with women and their ways is actually good information to avoid the natural inclinations of secular women and their indoctrinated pitfalls and sh**tests they'll throw at us ?
I want to have a strong relationship with a woman, sire and help raise children, yet still maintain an attractive frame to where my foundation of our relationship is good by my faith, but the "Old Men Wisdom" of dealing with women keeps me guided too.

Is there a forum or something for dating/meeting with the goal of creating a method on dealing with the best way to create a stable family that's further guarded against the communist/secular assault against families ?

My father had great information for me if I had grown up in the 1970s, but had little information on how to tackle the utter degeneracy and rapidly ever evolving forms of social media that just the past 15 years has brought about.

Post: #97

(11-01-2019 08:30 AM)mr_ks Wrote:  When, last week, a 20yr old German girl called me her "friend" after I had been interacting with her on-off for over a year, playing games with her, flirting etc, well it was no minor thing. You might say, yeah but you are not banging and some other guy might come in a do that, but you dont get it, no guy is gonna come in and do what I've easily. Now, this girl is in a good spot for me to develop things further, but I dont know what further looks like and what it should be. I dont want to Bang her and she is too young to start a family. But we have this. If I can keep her in my life for a few years great things can happen.

"My friend" said by a German girl literally means "my boyfriend". (This is why it's useful to know the culture.)

Congratulations, you showed the forum how to meet and win over women without violating the forum rules.

However, things are not going to turn out how you imagine them. You don't have a "few years" of her life to waste, this is a globohomo lie. You have 33 months in total to close the deal and make her pregnant. You already spent over a year on her, so 20 months or less is what you have left to commit. Her biology doesn't care about if she is "too young to start a family". Once the timer runs out, she breaks up and moves on.

Post: #98

(11-01-2019 08:51 AM)Abhraham Wrote:  Roosh is like the whore who quits working in prostitution, found God, and now wants everyone else to avoid the lifestyle which she benefited from for years.

No, it's not the same, because men are different to women.

Post: #99

(11-01-2019 08:07 AM)Abhraham Wrote:  Roosh is a Boomer hypocrite.

He fucked every White whore in Europe from the years 2005 to 2018, and now he wants us to become celibate priests who molest boys and worship the Jewish Gods.

Roosh is not a Boomer. This highlights another big problem. In addition to a general lack of knowledge about history, geography, politics, demographics people are brainwashed into being triggered by certain words. You know words like "Boomer" and of course them ((())). Roosh is a Gen Xer and born near the tail end of that generation.

Post: #100

I have so many questions about the Christian faith, all of which are trying to seek deeper understanding. Will I be able to ask these questions?

For example: is the internal voice that I have my own, or God's?