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That was interesting how what I thought were straight up positive elements are in fact used mostly by bad clients.

When I say native speakers, I want to communicate this isn't a job posting aimed at low balling indians and filipinos. When I say, more work to come, it is because I really want to have a couple of writers on repeat biz writing month after month.

I think I will do a rewrite like you suggested and do it very straightforward and more importantly include a budget.
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(04-11-2014 02:50 AM)Enigma Wrote:  By simply keeping your listing straightforward yet professional, you'll send more of the write signals to freelancers.

Pun intended?
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(04-11-2014 09:50 AM)berserk Wrote:  That was interesting how what I thought were straight up positive elements are in fact used mostly by bad clients.

When I say native speakers, I want to communicate this isn't a job posting aimed at low balling indians and filipinos. When I say, more work to come, it is because I really want to have a couple of writers on repeat biz writing month after month.

I think I will do a rewrite like you suggested and do it very straightforward and more importantly include a budget.

Yeah, it is interesting. Both of these actually are things I used to look for in jobs, but over the years, a lot of the low-quality clients started saying them too so I had to identify new criteria.

Now low-quality clients are expecting English-speaking writers to do their work at $5 an article too (and expecting them do it well) - and they're the most vocal about it since the cheap writers they hire so often turn out to be foreigners.

For the second point, try saying, "I'm interested in establishing a long-term business relationship." Or, "I'm looking for a seasoned professional who can become my go-to writer in these projects going forward."

As a writer, it's great to find clients with long-term work - but only if they don't seem to be mentioning long-term work for a lower rate consideration.

A good writer doesn't really want to drop prices for more work - they could fill that time with someone else who want's to pay their full rate. There's no economies of scale in writing...

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(04-11-2014 02:50 AM)Enigma Wrote:  By simply keeping your listing straightforward yet professional, you'll send more of the write signals to freelancers.

Pun intended?

I caught that. too. Big Grin

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Would it be helpful to be able to write something in the STEM niches? I come from a Chemistry background, would it be feasible to try to specialize? I am busy with other ventures, but this might be worthwhile if there is demand.
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(04-12-2014 05:54 AM)nomansland Wrote:  Would it be helpful to be able to write something in the STEM niches? I come from a Chemistry background, would it be feasible to try to specialize? I am busy with other ventures, but this might be worthwhile if there is demand.

Absolutely.

There is a lot of money in this type of niche, especially for a specialist. Specializing is a great way to brand yourself. You won't have as many jobs to pick from on Elance specifically (though they do come up), but your rates would be higher. In this case, you would profit much more by reaching out to companies (in fact, you could say that about all of us).

Pick up a copy of "The Well-fed Writer."

As an aside, to anyone out there with oil knowledge, I think that would be an awesome niche to target that I never see writers mention. If I had writing skills and knowledge in that area, I'd be networking like a mutha to get my foot in the door. These oil companies have to put a lot of money into PR.

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Interesting you mention specializing in specific areas or niches BB. I was just thinking of getting into the oil and energy field specially in my trade. I see their sites and see a lot of potential in here. Have you seen any postings on the various freelancing sites on the oil niche? Or is it better to just contact them directly?
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^ Yeah, contact companies directly. Or network on LinkedIn. I've also seen jobs in this niche posted on Craigslist in North Dakota while trolling for opportunities to grab some of the money there without going. In the end, I decided I didn't want to spend the required time teaching myself about that niche, considering I'd be starting from ground zero and have no interest in it.

But best believe there is cashola to be made writing about fracking, etc.

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I'm finally taking a crack at this.

Wrote up 8 samples over the past week or so, around 500 words each. Made an account on elance today, spent the morning filling in my profile and improving the details to best of my ability.

Sent about 5 or so proposals so far.

I feel like this is the type of thing you really learn quickly how to make it work. I'm trying to stay optimistic about it but I know the grind at first is worth it.

I look at some of the jobs and I see only 5 people have made proposals and I get excited. Then I see one of the proposals is by a highly reviewed member that has made several thousand online. I'm definitely under qualified in comparison. But then again he's probably charging high and I'm charging low for a review that is most important at first.

Quick question, if a job posting is listed to end in 14 days, that doesn't mean the job won't be given before right? Even if the job is listed for 14 days if the client finds someone they want to work with in 2 they can give you the job right there?

I've probably racked dozens of other questions over the course of this day but for now I'm going to rest a bit before I make a few more proposals.
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I can write well and do love to do it.

It won't be about game or sluts; but likely job hunting, Corporate culture etc.

The latter just doesn't appear to have the market that "sluts" do.

Then again, not even fitness gets as many hits as sluts, at least in the manosphere.

I'm thinking of a blog but haven't fully mapped out a strategy yet.

We'll see.

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(04-16-2014 03:09 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  I look at some of the jobs and I see only 5 people have made proposals and I get excited. Then I see one of the proposals is by a highly reviewed member that has made several thousand online. I'm definitely under qualified in comparison. But then again he's probably charging high and I'm charging low for a review that is most important at first.

Yeah, there are plenty of times where I'm beaten out by someone with less experience just because they bid lower.

If the budget they set for the job is fairly low, you have a good chance of undercutting the competition.

Those aren't the clients you want to work with in the long run because, believe it or not, the people spending the least money often expect the most work.

Plus, it's just not profitable on your end. But it can work in the beginning.

Quote:Quick question, if a job posting is listed to end in 14 days, that doesn't mean the job won't be given before right? Even if the job is listed for 14 days if the client finds someone they want to work with in 2 they can give you the job right there?

That's correct. Many clients do take forever to award the job though and I'd say roughly 25% go completely unawarded. The more serious clients will usually choose someone in the first few hours or days as jobs rarely get many bids after they slip past the first few pages.
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^^

Thanks.

After 10 proposals sent out and 24 hours, I got one reply with all the others except one still for hiring.. The reply apologized because they chose someone right before I sent my proposal which they liked. It was a simple job for 500 word article which I said I would do cheap for a review $1.5 per 100 words, ensuring I'd do my best work to get positive words in return.

I'm bugged about it, seemed so close to my first gig but at the same time this can only be a positive. Also said they would keep me in mind for future work as they would definitely have some. How likely am I to hear from them again? As in how often do clients approach freelancers as opposed to just posting and have the workers come to them?

Also, is it beneficial to take a very cheap job at first for a review? I'm talking about $3 for 500 word articles.. Seems way too low even for a first job but I am still testing the waters here. Trying to avoid being labelled as a bottom of the barrel cheap writer as has been mentioned throughout the thread.
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Do you guys post your real pic on oDesk etc? Can you use a stock photo or is that not allowed?
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I'd be weary about using a stock photo. If they google searched the picture, then they might think you're an illiterate indian in disguise.

I do use a fake name though, nothing wrong with a little privacy.
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(04-17-2014 10:51 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  ^^

Thanks.

After 10 proposals sent out and 24 hours, I got one reply with all the others except one still for hiring.. The reply apologized because they chose someone right before I sent my proposal which they liked. It was a simple job for 500 word article which I said I would do cheap for a review $1.5 per 100 words, ensuring I'd do my best work to get positive words in return.

I'm bugged about it, seemed so close to my first gig but at the same time this can only be a positive. Also said they would keep me in mind for future work as they would definitely have some. How likely am I to hear from them again? As in how often do clients approach freelancers as opposed to just posting and have the workers come to them?

Also, is it beneficial to take a very cheap job at first for a review? I'm talking about $3 for 500 word articles.. Seems way too low even for a first job but I am still testing the waters here. Trying to avoid being labelled as a bottom of the barrel cheap writer as has been mentioned throughout the thread.

Please dont whore yourself out for that kind of money.
You should be able to get $10-20 per hour right out of the gate, even as a newb.

By doing slave labor youre not only hurting yourself... youre also hurting your freelancer colleagues and your clients as its impossible to deliver quality work for these ridiculous rates.
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How's the freelancing looking like for the healthcare industry? I got plenty of experience in it as it's my daily grind.

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(04-21-2014 02:33 AM)w00t Wrote:  Please dont whore yourself out for that kind of money.
You should be able to get $10-20 per hour right out of the gate, even as a newb.

By doing slave labor youre not only hurting yourself... youre also hurting your freelancer colleagues and your clients as its impossible to deliver quality work for these ridiculous rates.

Thanks.

It has been against my intuition to bid for any work that is ridiculously low wage.

It's laughable when I see offers such as 'I need a writer to send me 5 400 word articles per week, $2 per article'
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I've got a question for the copywriters on this board.

I'm currently doing mainly article writing and some editing. I'd like to transition into copywriting as that's where the real money is. I've bid on a few 'sales page' type jobs but they always ask to see my portfolio.

How do I get around this? Create a fake one?
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You could do pro-bono work.
You could offer to write a salesletter for free and only get paid if it converts (or converts better than what theyre currently doing).
You could also setup your own sales page to showcase your writing.
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Freelance Writer's Den is open again, if anyone's interested:
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(04-21-2014 02:38 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  How's the freelancing looking like for the healthcare industry? I got plenty of experience in it as it's my daily grind.

very good for research papers.

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(04-22-2014 03:00 AM)Vice Wrote:  Freelance Writer's Den is open again, if anyone's interested:
http://freelancewritersden.com/open-back-door

Anyone else on here on this writers den?

I saw it costs $25 to join. I've never really payed to join a forum before and I'm wondering if this is worth it.
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Anyone out there who is a US citizen but digital nomad qualifying for the FEIE --foreign earned income exclusion--who is filtering out US based clients who require W9?
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(04-22-2014 03:00 AM)Vice Wrote:  Freelance Writer's Den is open again, if anyone's interested:
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Anyone else on here on this writers den?

I saw it costs $25 to join. I've never really payed to join a forum before and I'm wondering if this is worth it.

BB recommended it way back, a group of us joined, I got as much information out of it as i could before cancelling, not sure about the rest.

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(04-21-2014 02:38 AM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  How's the freelancing looking like for the healthcare industry? I got plenty of experience in it as it's my daily grind.

very good for research papers.

I heard it's very good! They only open the forum once or twice a year, last time it was back in 3rd quarter 2013. THe forum is filled with information with newbies. I definitely recommend to join, which I did since last time I couldn't afford it. You got nothing to lose.

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How could I get more profile views on sites where I can't bid on jobs?
Pages like Smobs, Clickfive and Fivesquids are essentially like UK versions of Fiverr, you can post fixed-price services but can't send proposals.
I'm already building traffic to a blog so I can link to my profiles; is there anything else I can do?

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