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RE: 21st Century Equality: The Proliferation of Women-Only Restaurants Around the World
Good God, Imagine the horror of the menu which will have to have 15 versions of each item. And will take 53 minutes before an order is even placed.

Gluten free
Not gluten free
no salt
a little salt.
A lotta ice
No ice.
Just five ice cubes.
No bread
More bread
Is this real butter?
Are these veggies local?
and on and on and on and on.
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Since I called him out post 1 Im curious why thrillhouse got banned?

Funny thread though.
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Oh man, I'm a waiter and I didn't even think of the horror of women only clientele. This is some discrimination that I'd be happy for.
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Many restaurants are already women-only, indirectly and unwittingly so. Go to any brunch place and you'll see hordes of self-absorbed, middle-aged women taking photos of their Eggs Benedicts. Meanwhile, the husband is sitting there, staring at the $45 bill, and thinking "Bitch, you couldnt just make us a few omelettes at home?"
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(08-01-2014 08:24 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  Many restaurants are already women-only, indirectly and unwittingly so. Go to any brunch place and you'll see hordes of self-absorbed, middle-aged women taking photos of their Eggs Benedicts. Meanwhile, the husband is sitting there, staring at the $45 bill, and thinking "Bitch, you couldnt just make us a few omelettes at home?"

The brunch thing is exploding. I don't get it.

Every year that passes, brunch becomes more and more popular. People are waiting outside of restaurants in excess of one hour to stuff their faces with high calorie platters of food and bottomless mimosas. Chefs meanwhile are tinkering in the kitchen to figure out how to pack more bacon, meat, and sugar into an early morning meal. Instead of having a roll or croissant and a cup of coffee with milk like the rest of the world, the American sunday brunch is turning into a "Belgian" waffle with bacon and ice cream on top: http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/menu-mark...Pf-cbpwe4A

Quite possibly one of the most popular breakfast/brunch spots in L.A. is called the Griddle. It's fucking disgusting. They can't cook an order of breakfast potatoes or eggs to save their life. They are, however, well known for their enormous pancakes:

[Image: the-griddle-cafe-banana-pancakes.jpg]

That's an actual picture. Look at the size of the fork for scale. The food isn't even good, but they're gigantic portions and that's all people care about. The line outside of The Griddle is one of the longest in L.A., especially for brunch. Here's another one of their specialties:

[Image: 0036x50q]

That, my friends, is a plate of red velvet pancakes with cream cheese frosting. FOR BREAKFAST. There must be well over 2000 calories on that plate alone. And people order it, to with additional bacon and morning cocktails.

One of these days I'll write up a post about red pill vs. blue pill regarding food and restaurants. But needless to say, most restaurant and the way people eat is extremely blue pill. Food should nourish and recharge your body with bold, simple, honest flavors. A lot of food in America is turning into yet another distraction, a hobby, something to fill up Instagram, meant to satisfy people in the most base manner possible.

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^Sounds like a great topic man, Id love to hear more from you on that.
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(08-01-2014 06:18 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  ^Sounds like a great topic man, Id love to hear more from you on that.
Interesting fusion foods.. When I lived in California nobody could ever admit they ate that kind of stuff.. or fast foods..ever.

Umm.. I saw you in the Carls drive thru the other day..

Me? No

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(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 08:24 AM)Cunnilinguist Wrote:  Many restaurants are already women-only, indirectly and unwittingly so. Go to any brunch place and you'll see hordes of self-absorbed, middle-aged women taking photos of their Eggs Benedicts. Meanwhile, the husband is sitting there, staring at the $45 bill, and thinking "Bitch, you couldnt just make us a few omelettes at home?"

One of these days I'll write up a post about red pill vs. blue pill regarding food and restaurants. But needless to say, most restaurant and the way people eat is extremely blue pill. Food should nourish and recharge your body with bold, simple, honest flavors. A lot of food in America is turning into yet another distraction, a hobby, something to fill up Instagram, meant to satisfy people in the most base manner possible.

I'm going to memorize that: "bold, simple, honest flavors". I just ate some grilled salmon with a little cayenne pepper. Perfect flavor. I can't stand eating at most restaurants, drowning their stuff with salt and butter.

Write that post on red/blue pill for food!
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(08-01-2014 06:26 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 06:18 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  ^Sounds like a great topic man, Id love to hear more from you on that.
Interesting fusion foods.. When I lived in California nobody could ever admit they ate that kind of stuff.. or fast foods..ever.

Umm.. I saw you in the Carls drive thru the other day..

Me? No

Haha. Oroville for the win! You get a Dam and waterfront property when the earth decides to drop our worst people of the planet.

The running joke in L.A. hospitality is that diners will list off all the ingredients they're supposedly "allergic" to and then excuse themselves to go do an 8-ball in the bathroom while taking a smoke break every 5 minutes.

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(08-01-2014 08:29 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 06:26 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 06:18 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  ^Sounds like a great topic man, Id love to hear more from you on that.
Interesting fusion foods.. When I lived in California nobody could ever admit they ate that kind of stuff.. or fast foods..ever.

Umm.. I saw you in the Carls drive thru the other day..

Me? No

Haha. Oroville for the win! You get a Dam and waterfront property when the earth decides to drop our worst people of the planet.

The running joke in L.A. hospitality is that diners will list off all the ingredients they're supposedly "allergic" to and then excuse themselves to go do an 8-ball in the bathroom while taking a smoke break every 5 minutes.

Yeah. I wish all those out of state douchers would go back to where they came from.
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(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  [Image: the-griddle-cafe-banana-pancakes.jpg]

thedude, do not live in fear of the Giant Pancake! It's all right.

The craving for things that are BIG is part of the great childlike strength and health of America. Huge SUVs and Hummer limos; enormous and fantastically wasteful McMansions standing miles apart and with lawns the size of a public park; gallon jars of mayonnaise and gigantic Doritos bags inside endless box stores strewn about shopping malls as big as a city; great echoing megachurches filled to the brim with some of the nicest and hardest working people who ever walked the earth; corn fields that never end; Walmart and Best Buy Black Friday lines that are already longish on early Thanksgiving evening, as the would-be Xbox discount buyers jostle for place in the late November cold; and now add to these the snaking lines of weekend warriors ready to wolf down pancakes the size of a healthy baby over brunch at Griddle.

To me, they are righteous and beautiful. Americans have always wanted to live life on a heroic scale in the most literal way possible and as long as we continue to do so, all talk of "decline" is laughable. We move from strength to strength, and that is something to be celebrated, not deplored. I look at the Giant Pancake and it gives me an almost equally giant grin, from ear to ear.

I saw recently a short film made by GM in 1956 as part of their "Motorama" series; it is a vision of what driving and life would be like 20 years hence. It is one of the most splendid and idyllic visions I've ever seen; they had the right spirit then, and through all the years, it remains the spirit we need:




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Yeah thedude3737. Write a post about that stuff, will be a very interesting read.

On the sidenote... JESUS those portions are GIGANTIC!
Are people really downing those things? It's more than enough for an entire family.

Ha! Please post more pics of gigantic meals people are eating there in the US. Sweet Jesus.
I've never seen anything like this before.

No wonder that the first thing my parents told me after they returned from a trip to San Fransisco was "We have never seen so fat people before in our lives, not even on TV."
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(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  The brunch thing is exploding. I don't get it.

I disagree, you do get it:

thedude3737 Wrote:A lot of food in America is turning into yet another distraction, a hobby, something to fill up Instagram, meant to satisfy people in the most base manner possible.

Ding ding ding! There it is. The explosion of brunch popularity, foodies and the taking pictures of food craze are all a direct result of smartphones and social media. Brunch provides people an event they can attend, however small, that frees them from the curse of having to sit at home and feel like a loser while watching other people do things on social media. Foodie culture is an attempt to find meaning through shared group identity in a culture that has become atomized and individualistic to an unhealthy degree, and pictures of food are simply part of the attention whoring arms race that women are ceaselessly engaged in ("Ugh, this bitch is always posting pictures of her food. Who does she think she is? Her shit doesn't even look that good. She's such a basic bitch. I'm going to show her up.")

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(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  Quite possibly one of the most popular breakfast/brunch spots in L.A. is called the Griddle. It's fucking disgusting. They can't cook an order of breakfast potatoes or eggs to save their life. They are, however, well known for their enormous pancakes:

[Image: the-griddle-cafe-banana-pancakes.jpg]

That's an actual picture. Look at the size of the fork for scale. The food isn't even good, but they're gigantic portions and that's all people care about. The line outside of The Griddle is one of the longest in L.A., especially for brunch. Here's another one of their specialties:

[Image: 0036x50q]

That, my friends, is a plate of red velvet pancakes with cream cheese frosting. FOR BREAKFAST. There must be well over 2000 calories on that plate alone. And people order it, to with additional bacon and morning cocktails.


That's fucking hilarious and sad. A coincidence too - I was just perusing articles about the new SBE hotel set to launch in Vegas, and Sam Nazarian, the man behind SBE was raving about the Griddle Cafe. Eg,
  • Nazarian is proudest that he persuaded the The Griddle Cafe, a Los Angeles dining institution, to open a location inside SLS Las Vegas as the property’s 24-hour restaurant. He said it took him five years to convince ownership that he would honor their brand.

I thought, man, I've never been to this Griddle Cafe despite living in LA, and if an impresario like Nazarian is so enamored of it, it must be somewhat legit. Apparently not...
  • "There is one significant new player. For the hotel’s 24-hour restaurant, Nazarian says it took five years to convince the owner of The Griddle Cafe in L.A. to open another outlet at SLS Las Vegas. The Los Angeles Times says about the iconic original, “The French toast and pancakes are unsurpassed.” http://skift.com/2014/04/30/will-sam-naz...tels-work/

It gets worse... Trigger warning for the dude, for the text that follows:
  • The Vegas version will have a bigger menu, adding boozed-up breakfast items like Guinness-soaked French toast with bittersweet chocolate chips and vanilla-bourbon whipped cream while maintaining a stacked selection of scrambles, tacos, burgers and sandwiches. In true Sin City style, it’ll be open 24 hours, because it’s always the right time for apple cobbler cinnamon crunch French toast with a side of chicken tequila sausage. Where do the ideas come from? “I dream them,” Hortze says. “I have probably 10 composition notebooks, and I’m always scribbling in them. It’s in my mind, nonstop.” http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/dining/201...ast-strip/


lol, this is a promotional image the hotel uses for their brunch!

[Image: Villas_Girls_Bed_Breakfast_0506.jpg]

That picture captures the gluttony and solipsism essential to the white girl brunch. Fuck, it's meme-worthy if you can get a higher res version of it.

As I've said to thedude in person, the Westside of LA is the land of the White Girl, where every new restaurant lives and dies by how many white girls it can lure for weekend brunch. And I have no doubt that Nazarian knows what he's doing, that this spot will be a great boon for attracting his desired clientele.

Edit: higher res version

[Image: Villas_Girls_Bed_Breakfast_0506-600x430.jpg]
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(08-02-2014 11:38 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  [Image: the-griddle-cafe-banana-pancakes.jpg]

thedude, do not live in fear of the Giant Pancake! It's all right.

The craving for things that are BIG is part of the great childlike strength and health of America. Huge SUVs and Hummer limos; enormous and fantastically wasteful McMansions standing miles apart and with lawns the size of a public park; gallon jars of mayonnaise and gigantic Doritos bags inside endless box stores strewn about shopping malls as big as a city; great echoing megachurches filled to the brim with some of the nicest and hardest working people who ever walked the earth; corn fields that never end; Walmart and Best Buy Black Friday lines that are already longish on early Thanksgiving evening, as the would-be Xbox discount buyers jostle for place in the late November cold; and now add to these the snaking lines of weekend warriors ready to wolf down pancakes the size of a healthy baby over brunch at Griddle.

To me, they are righteous and beautiful. Americans have always wanted to live life on a heroic scale in the most literal way possible and as long as we continue to do so, all talk of "decline" is laughable. We move from strength to strength, and that is something to be celebrated, not deplored. I look at the Giant Pancake and it gives me an almost equally giant grin, from ear to ear.

I saw recently a short film made by GM in 1956 as part of their "Motorama" series; it is a vision of what driving and life would be like 20 years hence. It is one of the most splendid and idyllic visions I've ever seen; they had the right spirit then, and through all the years, it remains the spirit we need:




"The craving for things that are BIG is part of the great childlike strength and health of America. Huge SUVs and Hummer limos; enormous and fantastically wasteful McMansions standing miles apart...etc..."

I'm not sure if you're kidding here, but I think the American people's love of all things massive will be their ultimate downfall.

I am old enough to remember when people with massive houses and the like were scored as being "gaudy." An overt display of wealth was considered tacky or "nouveau riche." Modesty, at least to some extent, was considered a virtue. People were happy to live in the "little boxes" (as the old song went) of Levittown.

This changed in the 1980s during the Reagan Era and really took hold in the 2000s during the housing boom -- and the waistline boom. And the boom of the oversized egos. And the boom in Americans getting in debt (I read recently one in three Americans are in dealing with debt collectors).

I see a direct correlation with America's post-'80s obsession with all things massive and the dysfunction of women we discuss here -- especially when it comes to weight issues and "fat acceptance." Bigger isn't really better. And I think it was a better country when people seemed to instinctively know to not spend what they don't have and to not eat (or serve) portions no one needs.

The gross size of the food here is a metaphor for how disgusting this country has become. Laugh, if you want, but we all have to deal with the women who eat like that, spend like that, and expect to live like that.
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(08-02-2014 01:03 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Foodie culture is an attempt to find meaning through shared group identity in a culture that has become atomized and individualistic to an unhealthy degree

No. The idea that society is increasingly "atomized and individualistic" is in itself an age-old nostrum; Marx was already bewailing the "alienation" of the laborer from his product, and so have others before him in different contexts.

This idea is always being revived by literary and intellectual characters because they tend to be loner types themselves. That makes it easy for them to believe that normal people all around them are as "isolated" as they perceive themselves (not even correctly) to be. But this has nothing to do with reality.

This is part of what Nietzsche called "the prejudices of the philosophers" -- the tendency of the type of men who are prone to rumination and writing, the literary types, to ascribe the qualities that are peculiar to them to the world at large. It leads to such pieces of straight-up lunacy as Thoreau's famous remark about normal people leading "lives of quiet desperation" -- a projection of the psychology of the literary male type onto a world which has very little to do with it. But because these are the men who generate much of the text and the ideas that are in day-to-day currency, these nostrums get repeated mindlessly by normal people to whom they do not in the least apply -- because normal people have an excessive regard for the rhetoric of the literary types and because they mistake this rhetoric of literary psychology for a statement of truth about the world as it is.

However, the reality is that normal people who stand in line for brunch because they can't wait to post pics of their giant pancakes on Instagram do so not because they are secretly isolated and "atomized" -- rather they do so because they are perfectly socialized and integrated within their culture and environment (for better and worse). To think otherwise is a failure of objectivity -- the failure of literary types to see the very non-literary and various world before them as it really is; full of vulgar strength, activity, and energies that are far beyond their interpretative and reflective ability.

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Shit. I choose places based on their portion sizes. I dont even have brunch. To me its called a snack-before-lunch-thing.
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@DoBA -- no, I am not kidding. I mean every word I say in the most literal way; I always do.

I do not believe that America's love affair with things that are BIG is somehow a product of the "Reagan years". It is an age-old American quality which derives in part from how big the country itself is -- from the infinite expanse always waiting to be conquered. It was already noted by someone like Henry James in "The American Scene" when he was visiting the country during the Gilded Age over 100 years ago -- bemoaned by him, but also secretly relished, I believe. And it is also true that the kind of Puritan humility of which you speak is an American quality as well -- and it remains one. It is a complex mix, and how could it be otherwise? We are the country that has to be all things to all people -- and that succeeds. We are both the most materialistic and the most spiritual culture that has ever existed, and both of these energies derive from the same source and cannot really be separated.

You, like many others -- especially among the educated elites here and elsewhere -- feel that this will be our downfall; and I feel that it will be the reason for our continued strength and ascendancy. I guess we will find out.

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(08-02-2014 11:38 AM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 06:16 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  [Image: the-griddle-cafe-banana-pancakes.jpg]

thedude, do not live in fear of the Giant Pancake! It's all right.

The craving for things that are BIG is part of the great childlike strength and health of America. Huge SUVs and Hummer limos; enormous and fantastically wasteful McMansions standing miles apart and with lawns the size of a public park; gallon jars of mayonnaise and gigantic Doritos bags inside endless box stores strewn about shopping malls as big as a city; great echoing megachurches filled to the brim with some of the nicest and hardest working people who ever walked the earth; corn fields that never end; Walmart and Best Buy Black Friday lines that are already longish on early Thanksgiving evening, as the would-be Xbox discount buyers jostle for place in the late November cold; and now add to these the snaking lines of weekend warriors ready to wolf down pancakes the size of a healthy baby over brunch at Griddle.

To me, they are righteous and beautiful. Americans have always wanted to live life on a heroic scale in the most literal way possible and as long as we continue to do so, all talk of "decline" is laughable. We move from strength to strength, and that is something to be celebrated, not deplored. I look at the Giant Pancake and it gives me an almost equally giant grin, from ear to ear.




Yeah, you're right, the eating habits of Americans is something to be applauded.

[Image: Over_one-third_of_children_in_the_US_are...deshow.jpg]

[Image: Anglosphere_2007_overweight_rate.png]

[Image: Obesity_rates_have_increased_slideshow.jpg]

Oh, but we've got giant glorious corn fields here that produce more corn that we need, are bankrupting America's farmers, are feeding our processed food industry, are poisoning farmland, and creating a giant dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico.

Bravo!

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(08-02-2014 01:54 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  However, the reality is that normal people who stand in line for brunch because they can't wait to post pics of their giant pancakes on Instagram do so not because they are secretly isolated and "atomized" -- rather they do so because they are perfectly socialized and integrated within their culture and environment (for better and worse). To think otherwise is a failure of objectivity -- the failure of literary types to see the very non-literary and various world before them as it really is; full of vulgar strength, activity, and energies that are far beyond their interpretative and reflective ability.

This is very insightful, and very true. It has always been the place of isolated, probably learned men, probably "Highly Sensitive People", to observe and judge others. It's a dynamic that is as old as humanity. There is a certain percentage of the human population that are natural outliers, say 20% or so. It's true in every social species, from hyenas to elephants. There are those on the perimeter of the pack, with stronger eyesight and smell, the first to detect when danger approaches.

So those of us that smell something rotten might not be in the majority, in fact I guarantee we aren't, but that has nothing to do with our capacity to judge when the rest of the pack is sick.

In your line of thinking Lizard, where do you draw the line? Hell, instead of just 2000 calorie pancakes, why not throw a ribeye steak on there as well? What if every meal consisted of something created by the Epic Mealtime guys?

I'm as libertarian as the next guy, but at some point you have to look at society as an organism and be concerned with its well-being. No man is an island. Great cultures were created by men who cared about values. One of those being: restraint.

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(08-02-2014 01:03 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Foodie culture is an attempt to find meaning through shared group identity in a culture that has become atomized and individualistic to an unhealthy degree

No. The idea that society is increasingly "atomized and individualistic" is in itself an age-old nostrum; Marx was already bewailing the "alienation" of the laborer from his product, and so have others before him in different contexts.

This idea is always being revived by literary and intellectual characters because they tend to be loner types themselves. That makes it easy for them to believe that normal people all around them are as "isolated" as they perceive themselves (not even correctly) to be. But this has nothing to do with reality.

This is part of what Nietzsche called "the prejudices of the philosophers" -- the tendency of the type of men who are prone to rumination and writing, the literary types, to ascribe the qualities that are peculiar to them to the world at large. It leads to such pieces of straight-up lunacy as Thoreau's famous remark about normal people leading "lives of quiet desperation" -- a projection of the psychology of the literary male type onto a world which has very little to do with it. But because these are the men who generate much of the text and the ideas that are in day-to-day currency, these nostrums get repeated mindlessly by normal people to whom they do not in the least apply -- because normal people have an excessive regard for the rhetoric of the literary types and because they mistake this rhetoric of literary psychology for a statement of truth about the world as it is.

However, the reality is that normal people who stand in line for brunch because they can't wait to post pics of their giant pancakes on Instagram do so not because they are secretly isolated and "atomized" -- rather they do so because they are perfectly socialized and integrated within their culture and environment (for better and worse). To think otherwise is a failure of objectivity -- the failure of literary types to see the very non-literary and various world before them as it really is; full of vulgar strength, activity, and energies that are far beyond their interpretative and reflective ability.

There's some truth to your point, but as usual you overthink. Just because loners and philosophers are more prone to exaggerate social atomization, does not necessarily mean that the social atomization they are talking about is not occurring. Culture IS significantly more atomized today than it was a few decades ago. And it does not take a philosopher to recognize this fact. Just go read the obituaries in the paper and look at how many social/community/fraternal/religious organizations men in their 70s and older belonged to during their lives, then ask the average 25 or 30 year old man how many he belongs to. For a mix of cultural and technological reasons, people simply do not have nearly as many direct personal connections with others as they did two generations ago.

It has nothing to do with the fact that only loner/philosopher types exaggerate claims of atomization out of personal bias, it's simply that introverted deep thinkers are the only type of people who think about these things. Normal people simply adapt themselves to the status quo and go about their lives assuming the world was always as such. In this regard, I agree that the average person is perfectly socialized to this atomized age, and thus doesn't recognize it as being anything abnormal. However, that does not render the diagnosis of the philosopher wrong, it simply means that the average person is unaware of it or unable to understand it.

The analogy is that of children who grow up with poor eyesight without even realizing it. As far as they know, their poor vision is totally normal, and everyone sees the same way. They are cognizant of the limitations of their impaired vision, but not troubled by it as being anything out of the ordinary - it's simply the way the world is supposed to look, a bit blurry. And so they go on with their lives, only realizing the problem when their parents take them in to have their eyes tested. In this case, the loner/philosopher would be represented by the parent, whose greater life experience places them outside of the normal range of knowledge possessed by the child and his peers, similar to the way the philosopher's introverted personality, critical thinking and intense study have placed him outside the ranges of what constitutes normal society. From the outside looking in, he is therefore able to offer a perspective that someone in the middle of things could never provide.

This is why labeling the criticism of philosopher types as "out of touch" with normal society (and therefore wrong) is both tautological and incorrect. Of course philosopher types are not in touch with normal society - if they weren't, they wouldn't be philosophers, and would be unable to offer any original insight. But the fact that they are outside the norm does not necessarily mean that their observations are erroneous. Implying otherwise is nothing more than an appeal to popularity (i.e. arguing philosophers are just projecting their own social alienation onto society rather than recognizing a social pathology others do not see. Since most people do not see it, therefore it doesn't exist, and the philosophers must be wrong).

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thedude,

First, there is no "giant dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico, and American farmers are hardly going broke. All of these supposed calamities that you speak of are mostly propaganda originated by fanatical environmentalist groups and parroted by the media.

Setting that aside. The world is a not a black and white place; things are more complex than that.

Are the eating habits of Americans to be applauded? As a practical matter, no. They are bad for our health, and bad for the physical appearance of people, women in particular. We all know this.

That does not mean that the source from which such behavior proceeds is bad in itself. The craving of Americans to super size everything is a fundamentally glorious one and is part of the spiritual health of the culture. That does not mean that every practical consequence of this is positive at all times. Is that so hard to understand?

This is a particular moment in terms of technological development. We are able to mass produce calorie dense and addictive food and we Americans go for it -- as we go for all such things, like the great children that we are. This stage will pass -- not by reversing the technological gains that got us there but by adding new ones. We will develop foods that are just as cheap and gloriously addictive, but that do not have the same kinds of fattening and unhealthy effects.

One has to distinguish between what is wise and healthy for the individual who has to live his life at a particular moment in time -- and what is proper and healthy for a culture that propels itself forward at time. For the individual, moderation and self-restraint are often smart and advisable; but the culture must move forward and conquer new frontiers and it is propelled by the incessant need for MORE. These things are not in contradiction to each other; but it is easy to become confused if they are not both taken into account.

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(08-02-2014 02:52 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  thedude,

First, there is no "giant dead zone" in the Gulf of Mexico, and American farmers are hardly going broke. All of these supposed calamities that you speak of are mostly propaganda originated by fanatical environmentalist groups and parroted by the media.

Yeah? Go to Louisiana and tell that to shrimpers and fishermen. I'd get into American agriculture but I don't think you're qualified to debate that topic. Needless to say, you're way off base.

Quote:Setting that aside. The world is a not a black and white place; things are more complex than that.

Are the eating habits of Americans to be applauded? As a practical matter, no. They are bad for our health, and bad for the physical appearance of people, women in particular. We all know this.

That does not mean that the source from which such behavior proceeds is bad in itself. The craving of Americans to super size everything is a fundamentally glorious one and is part of the spiritual health of the culture. That does not mean that every practical consequence of this is positive at all times. Is that so hard to understand?

All humans crave calorie rich food. It is not uniquely American. We are not the only country that has immense access to calorie rich food; there are indeed many other first world countries that can get as much animal fat and processed carbohydrates as their hearts desire. So why are WE the fattest? Because of our culture. If you think that overconsumption is a "fundamentally glorious" facet of the "spiritual health" of our culture then I have nothing more to say. That's just insanity. [/quote]

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@thedude, I understand that these ideas are so unusual that they strike a highly intelligent literary guy such as yourself as almost a kind of insanity.

Nevertheless they are what I believe. Make of that what you will. Smile

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