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I am disappointed that Roosh didnt get as much fun in Russia as me and my friends but at the same time I feel kind of proud that Russian girls turned out to be not as slutty as the Ukrainian ones. Perhaps they could be better girlfriend/ wife material, I dunno.

Still Roosh owes us all a good detailed blogpost on Russia, we really need to know the details and all. I mean its Russia after all the home of some of the most feminine women!
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Russia promoting Siberia with models with bikini:
http://imsiberian.com/portfolio/bp/
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In Russia, the opposite sexual economics environment to the West engenders the opposite result, which is women competing for relative scarcity by learning female game. Funny to see Russian women being trained how to day game.

Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0
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(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  In Russia, the opposite sexual economics environment to the West engenders the opposite result, which is women competing for relative scarcity by learning female game. Funny to see Russian women being trained how to day game.

Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

If I'm ever in Moscow the girl in the blue shirt at 7:53 is more than welcome to drop her keys in front of me Laugh

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(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  In Russia, the opposite sexual economics environment to the West engenders the opposite result, which is women competing for relative scarcity by learning female game. Funny to see Russian women being trained how to day game.

Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

Yeah it's cool, but the women in the video are barely average and many are 30+ (one is a 40 y/o). The guys they so desperately want are sponsoring girls 18-24. After 25 and then 30 the girls are much easier to attract/date, including in Poland and Ukraine.

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(06-03-2014 11:01 AM)Akula Wrote:  
(06-03-2014 09:54 AM)Constitution45 Wrote:  Really fuck this western dislike towards Russia. Ironically enough its mostly white knights and feminist types that I see slagging off Putin and Russia. The white knights seem to see Russia as this place where ethnic minorities and homosexuals are being lynched left right and centre. Russian people are sincere, if they don't like you, they don't like you; if they do like you, then you will make strong loyal friends.

With a country that has been through so much in the last century, do they really expect, Russia to vote in a leader like David Cameron or Nick Clegg; and opt this for airy fairy Swedish model of social democracy; that only previously long established free market economies can afford to spunk out.

As for Russian women they are some of the best, high quality women around. No wonder why the feminists are always raging on them and trying to promote pussy riot. And vice on the other hand are trying to promote that black dude who is exporting that stupid U.S ghetto culture over there.

One thing I respect for Russia a lot is it's ability to make a man out of you. I have seen Africans, Chinese and Arabs all go to Russia and come out with strong alpha Russian mannerisms, and respecting the country and people at the same time.
International politics and foreign policy is a different question and I won't wish to push my opinions. But the general russophobic attitude in the West, is just pathetic.

I couldn't agree more especially about that last part. People act as if it's dangerous day to day out on the street and/or as if there are wolf packs running around chasing gays down the street.

I now find myself many times in the position of defending Russia, even if I know some of the things that are going on are a little bit shady. But as you stated above, you're dealing with feminists and manginas mostly who can't fathom not having it their way all the time or having to deal with a strong Alpha type guy like Putin (or masculinity in general).

Given the sh*t China pulls all the time and the fact it's still effectively run by the Communist party (and has strict internet laws) it's such incredible hypocrisy given how the US government and media treat the two differently.

You're right about this double standard Akula. Countries and civilizations, including the West, do not view or deal with each other in an egalitarian or democratic way. Like we as Westerners intuit they should. We hold Russia to a higher standard for a few reasons, including our civilizations border each other, our spheres of influence cross over, they are a lot like us, with shared histories, ideologies (Marxism is a Western idea), and religions. In fact Russia itself is known as a "torn" country, because its people as a whole, are unsure about how Western they are vs how Russian they are. This debate goes in internally within Russia, and the Ukraine conflict is a manifestation of this argument and identity struggle. I highly recommend Huntington's very enlightening The Clash of Civilizations.
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(12-25-2014 09:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  In Russia, the opposite sexual economics environment to the West engenders the opposite result, which is women competing for relative scarcity by learning female game. Funny to see Russian women being trained how to day game.

Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

Yeah it's cool, but the women in the video are barely average and many are 30+ (one is a 40 y/o). The guys they so desperately want are sponsoring girls 18-24. After 25 and then 30 the girls are much easier to attract/date, including in Poland and Ukraine.

Agreed, most in the video are barely average, but there is a range I think. The girls at 4:08 and 5:30 appear above average, and of the 4 girls lined up at 7:53, the one on the right is quite attractive, perhaps an 8 or 9 by US standards. Although, to your point, if the men they are seeking are not available because they are sponsoring girls 18 - 24, this too speaks to the different supply demand equation there, because these men are therefore successful in getting these younger girls and are absent from the pool of men for the older ones. The fact that they are successful with the younger women I assume means there is a different supply demand equation for the younger ones too. If the sexual economics were the same as the West these men, I presume, would not be successful with the younger women.
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(12-26-2014 03:59 PM)aficionado Wrote:  The fact that they are successful with the younger women I assume means there is a different supply demand equation for the younger ones too. If the sexual economics were the same as the West these men, I presume, would not be successful with the younger women.

The key word there is "sponsored". Many older men are successful with younger women because they play the provider game. Unfortunately, provider game is much more common in Russia than in the West. A lot of girls are materialistic and judge guys by how much money they spend on them, starting from the choice of venue for the first date.

For those who speak Russian, here is a cool music video on this subject.



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(12-26-2014 04:11 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  
(12-26-2014 03:59 PM)aficionado Wrote:  The fact that they are successful with the younger women I assume means there is a different supply demand equation for the younger ones too. If the sexual economics were the same as the West these men, I presume, would not be successful with the younger women.

The key word there is "sponsored". Many older men are successful with younger women because they play the provider game. Unfortunately, provider game is much more common in Russia than in the West. A lot of girls are materialistic and judge guys by how much money they spend on them, starting from the choice of venue for the first date.

For those who speak Russian, here is a cool music video on this subject.




I wonder if, in a way, the fact that there is more provider game there is fortunate, instead of being unfortunate, because of the sexual economic environment it implies for men there. In the developed countries, especially the anglosphere, the shift in sexual economics in favor of women has occurred largely because women do not need providers. This has allowed these women's hypergamous nature to become more dominant, thereby reducing the demand for lower status betas in favor of sharing alphas etc.
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(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

Wow. I've never seen female pickup before. Awesome vid, thanks for sharing.

Anyone here with Russian Google skills? If you learn their address & class schedule, you could just post up outside, and let them come to you!
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(12-27-2014 12:48 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  
(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

Wow. I've never seen female pickup before. Awesome vid, thanks for sharing.

Anyone here with Russian Google skills? If you learn their address & class schedule, you could just post up outside, and let them come to you!

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My apologies if this has been asked in another thread, but it seems to be on point, especially in light of the music video posted above. Russian guys don't seem to be particularly jacked (Gopniks aside). Do Moscow or Saint Petersburg have a gym culture similar to that in the English speaking world, and if not, would being in good shape bring tangible benefits or is it all about status and $$?
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^ my experience is that a lot of Russian guys are working out or practising martial arts.
But they don't have the obesession of being super ripped or super jacked like in the West.

Being strong is most important.
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Answered elsewhere. There is a big gym culture... Which gym you belong to is a frequently asked question on a first date in Moscow. There are tons of jacked guys in my gym. My gym is expensive. Only silver lining here is that all the girls who are members are rich, and rich girls are hot girls. Fully half of the women at my gym are smoking hot. I'm ashamed I've only picked up there once, but the girl I did pick up there is at least a solid 7.

But, generally improving your game is going to do more for you than lifting weights. You should exercise and lift weights because its healthy/makes you feel good/testesterone/improves quality of life rather than just narrowly for game. Unless you frequently pick up at the beach, but you won't be in Russia...

Pickup in Moscow for me is all about speaking english and having a pulse. I would see lifting as perhaps modestly beneficial.


(12-27-2014 05:24 AM)Atticus Wrote:  My apologies if this has been asked in another thread, but it seems to be on point, especially in light of the music video posted above. Russian guys don't seem to be particularly jacked (Gopniks aside). Do Moscow or Saint Petersburg have a gym culture similar to that in the English speaking world, and if not, would being in good shape bring tangible benefits or is it all about status and $$?
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(12-27-2014 05:42 AM)Chaos Wrote:  ^ my experience is that a lot of Russian guys are working out or practising martial arts.
But they don't have the obesession of being super ripped or super jacked like in the West.

Yeah I agree. It's not like the US for example or Aussie where everyone is working out to just get super jacked and look big. There just seems to be more naturally bigger, heavier dudes there who think life is short and live more for the moment that I would not want to f*ck with.

There is a lot more security at bars and clubs and restaurants generally in Moscow than in the West too. People know if things go wrong they can go wrong big time there so they don't mess around and take security very seriously. They also can't count on the cops as much.

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Russian women tend to value masculinity and intelligence in men, as well traditional markers of success like education and well paying jobs. I don't think the jacked/shredded aesthetic is something most of them care about. Some might think it's strange/gay.
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Many thanks for the head up, guys. Good to know. I hope to take a long sabbatical there in 2016. I just wanted to get a sense of the competition "on the ground". As Cicero pointed out, working out brings its own intrinsic rewards, but as I prefer body weight training I just wanted to know if it was worth switching up the tempo.
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I arrived in Vladivostok a couple of days ago, it's my third time here but I always have a good look round the first few days and see if anything changes. As usual, Russian guys are either a bit skinny, or look really solid without the low body-fat. I would say being ripped still isn't huge here, people just do a lot more natural activity such as walking, lifting things, repairing things etc which makes them naturally strong and high in testosterone. But within the last year a company put in a bit of investment and opened two shops here aimed at the sports nutrition market, one of them in the centre beside the football stadium which was covered in local media. I went in today for a couple of things, and two things were obvious; it's mostly imported and relatively expensive, and I saw an even split of men and women out of the ten people who came in during that five-minute window on a Sunday evening. It might not be big, but perhaps for a section of society the importance of getting the most out of your workouts is growing. In general though, the student populations have good opportunities to stay in shape: most universities have free basic fitness centres in every dormitory and campus, even if it is just free weights, a few bikes and some organised classes.
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(12-27-2014 11:53 PM)Menace Wrote:  Russian women tend to value masculinity and intelligence in men, as well traditional markers of success like education and well paying jobs. I don't think the jacked/shredded aesthetic is something most of them care about. Some might think it's strange/gay.

Very true. The reality is that in Russia pretty much every guy is trying to be alpha and there are a lot of meathead types so guys that come across as more educated and refined tend to have a little more cachet.

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(12-27-2014 05:24 AM)Atticus Wrote:  My apologies if this has been asked in another thread, but it seems to be on point, especially in light of the music video posted above. Russian guys don't seem to be particularly jacked (Gopniks aside). Do Moscow or Saint Petersburg have a gym culture similar to that in the English speaking world, and if not, would being in good shape bring tangible benefits or is it all about status and $$?

There is gym strength and functional strength. Most of the Russian/Ukrainian guys go for the latter. You'd be surprised how many "smallish" 178cm 70kg guys are tough as nails and can out lift many American guys who look much bigger and stronger. I remember participating in arm wrestling contest in a Ukrainian bar last summer, a guy who was easily 30 pounds lighter than me ended up whooping my ass; then I asked him what he did for exercise, he told me he was an amateur boxer. There are also many guys in that region who do blue collar work with their hands all day, and could trounce American gym guys easily. To be honest no one cares over there about how much you can bench and squat, all that matters is that you are healthy and strong.
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(06-16-2014 09:01 PM)BigDave Wrote:  
(06-16-2014 05:35 PM)lifestyle Wrote:  Dave:The Russian girls are aware of the other girls or did you keep it secret? Did they want anything more?

Well I tried to keep it discrete, but it didn't always work. To some extent it's just expected, unless you have a serious relationship. I had one girl tell me weeks after the fact that she had seen me out on a date, but she just chose to ignore it.

(12-25-2014 09:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(12-25-2014 03:15 AM)aficionado Wrote:  In Russia, the opposite sexual economics environment to the West engenders the opposite result, which is women competing for relative scarcity by learning female game. Funny to see Russian women being trained how to day game.

Russian female pickup school

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ5nkBVINr0

Yeah it's cool, but the women in the video are barely average and many are 30+ (one is a 40 y/o). The guys they so desperately want are sponsoring girls 18-24. After 25 and then 30 the girls are much easier to attract/date, including in Poland and Ukraine.

Do you find that when the Ukrainian girls get over 30 they do not age so well? That seems to be my experience. How about he Russian girls do they hold together in their 30's and 40's? If this is so why do you think that is? Rough lives? Drinking smoking etc.?
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Re: why don't russians age well?

This observation doesn't come from watching specific girls lose it over time. It comes from seeing a hoard of ugly babushki on the metro next to smoking hot teenagers. But some of the babushki lived through WWII, the seige of leningrad, decades when there was essentially no food safety restrictions and environmental regulations were lax, a period in the 1980s when Gorbachev tried to reduce vodka consumption and people starting to brew their own toxic vodka, and plenty of periods when large parts of the population wasn't really getting enough to eat. In addition, there are essentially no old men in russia for babushki to look nice for. The reason Russian women are known as being hot is because of how the dress and wear makeup, take that away and they are already average. But if the russian girl you're considering wifing up works out and isn't an alcoholic, she isn't going to age especially poorly just because she's russian...
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Russians age terribly due to:
- lack of fresh produce
- terrible cuisine (too much sugar, complex carbohydrates and high-cholesterol dairy)
- excessive tanning (and they're getting worse for this each year)
- smoking (and air pollution in the two capitals)
- hard, chlorinated water (particularly for those who live in apartments which are connected to the municipal hot water grid)
- lack of understanding of skin care routines and products - exfoliation, retinol, emollients, acid mantle, etc. You may notice some quite hot girls with wrinkly babushka-style hands. (this is slowly improving)
- lifestyle, especially for the middle class as they tend to work long hours and drive everywhere rather than walking.

Disclaimer: I am comparing to Northern Italy and Southern France, where I often meet women in their early 40s who I consider bangable. I cannot recall a single 40-year-old Russian woman who I could bang.

Unsurprisingly, the Russian girls I know who live in Italy seem to age better than their peers who they left behind.

I can't compare to the anglo-whales as I haven't spent much time there during the past decade.
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Could anyone translate some of the stuff in this video? It's a Russian vloger who lives in Spain and I know the video is about her views on Russian vs Spanish men. I can more or less understand a few things but she speaks waaay to fast and my Russian is not yet good enough. She mentions a few things on feminism and how in the west women are expected to pay during dates etc so I thought it would be interesting.




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