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RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-05-2017 08:54 AM

Testosterone levels and libido are not 100% related.

If you're doing this to increase testosterone you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

The point of this is to recondition your brain and cock back into healthy sex practices, which include blue balls, nocturnal emissions, and morning wood. Your body is telling you to have sex! Go!!


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - StackGsMan - 08-05-2017 09:06 AM

I decided to give noFap a try, but probably for a different main reason than the rest of you. I have been getting back into my long set aside penis enlargement and it helps when doing girth exercises to be rock hard or at least have as much blood in the penis as possible.


I had a lot of reasons in the past why I wouldn't even consider noFap, but above all else I heard noFap is associated with a slight loss in penis size, which is unacceptable to me. In my case as of now though noFap is actually helping me gain size as far as I can tell.


So... I have gone 3 days without fapping and as of right now I'm on day 4. I don't think I've ever made it more than 4-5 days without fapping.

Also I am still watching porn for penis enlargement related reasons and because my sex drive is killing me (I think I whip out my johnson and have to stroke it crazily at least 5 times a day), but I think the majority or at least a portion of the damage of porn is being avoided because I am not orgasming while watching it. As far as I understand the big issue with porn is actually turning on your favorite kind and orgasming to it, not just viewing it (which is bad as well, sure).




Day 4 of NoFap


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - ExploringReality - 08-08-2017 06:57 AM

1 week here, going strong as I had sex 2 days ago. I will be all alone for a little more than 2 weeks, so it's going to get hard (heh). I will try to land a new notch in this time frame, so being in NoFap should motivate me!


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - StackGsMan - 08-08-2017 09:49 PM

Alright well I fucked up last night after I believe 6 days. Wasn't hard at all to not fap for that time, and I really didn't do it out of pressure to do so. For some reason I just convinced myself that it would be ok to do it. I play these psychological tricks on myself a lot and it is how I gained 70 lbs in a couple of years ("it's ok, I will eat this trash tonight and be serious tomorrow").

So, day 1 is today and it has gone well.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - WilliamDoor - 08-09-2017 06:50 AM

I also began a week or so ago (maybe the main point to join RVF). Put my porn in the trash, many many gigs.

I have given in a few times since, but only with my mind, no outer image used.

(08-05-2017 08:54 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Testosterone levels and libido are not 100% related.

If you're doing this to increase testosterone you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

The point of this is to recondition your brain and cock back into healthy sex practices, which include blue balls, nocturnal emissions, and morning wood. Your body is telling you to have sex! Go!!

I agree with the last part but not sure about the first part. If I can I would also like to up my test as well - what else can I do other than TRT (I know some may laugh and say there is no way to up your test more than a bit, other than with TRT)


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-09-2017 07:04 AM

(08-09-2017 06:50 AM)WilliamDoor Wrote:  
(08-05-2017 08:54 AM)redbeard Wrote:  Testosterone levels and libido are not 100% related.

If you're doing this to increase testosterone you're doing it for the wrong reasons.

The point of this is to recondition your brain and cock back into healthy sex practices, which include blue balls, nocturnal emissions, and morning wood. Your body is telling you to have sex! Go!!

I agree with the last part but not sure about the first part. If I can I would also like to up my test as well - what else can I do other than TRT (I know some may laugh and say there is no way to up your test more than a bit, other than with TRT)

Welcome to the forum glad to have you here.

There are countless threads about how to improve your test without TRT - weightlifting, diet, water filters, sleep, sex, lifestyle...all of these things can affect your test. Find the threads and start reading.

I'm no doctor but last I checked the studies between testosterone and jerking off were "meh" at best.

Quitting the porn and fapping will definitely make you FEEL high test. All of the pent up sexual energy will have to be channeled somewhere...be it your work, the weights, or Becky from the coffee shop.

Will this increase your serum test? Possibly. I'm not 100% sold on it. In my opinion, they're two different goals. If you want to increase serum test levels, start reading the test blogs. If you want to increase your sex life, quit the porn. Two goals.

I will add that although quitting jerking off isn't 100% route to increase test, having sex with many young girls is a good way to increase test.

Not only is the SEX itself good for healthy hormones, but it's also good high intensity cardio. (Add to the fact that you should be in good shape to chase girls, and you've got a very healthy body)

There are also the psychological effects of chasing poon. There's been studies that show things such as:

-Cheering for a winning team
-Overcoming hurdles
-Accomplishing a goal

Increase testosterone. What better challenge is there than chasing tail?

The process AND the reward increase test.

If you want to have high test, have a lot of sex with multiple young girls.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - WilliamDoor - 08-09-2017 07:10 AM

(08-09-2017 07:04 AM)redbeard Wrote:  If you want to have high test, have a lot of sex with multiple young girls.

I like this, but this means I will have to cheat on the girl I am with right now. LTR near two years.

Angel VS tard


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-09-2017 06:48 PM

(08-09-2017 07:10 AM)WilliamDoor Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 07:04 AM)redbeard Wrote:  If you want to have high test, have a lot of sex with multiple young girls.

I like this, but this means I will have to cheat on the girl I am with right now. LTR near two years.

Angel VS tard

How often are you fucking your LTR?


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - WilliamDoor - 08-09-2017 09:26 PM

(08-09-2017 06:48 PM)redbeard Wrote:  How often are you fucking your LTR?

I must admit that there has been a slow down as of late. Maybe more than a month. It seems the honey moon time has come and gone.

She is still very cute and sexy, and I still love her (as much as we can use the word "love" here) but the body does not obey the mind.

It has only been some weeks since I began no-fap. My hope is that this is just a phase I need to pass. Or else I will have to have a close look at this LTR.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - ExploringReality - 08-10-2017 06:05 AM

(08-09-2017 09:26 PM)WilliamDoor Wrote:  
(08-09-2017 06:48 PM)redbeard Wrote:  How often are you fucking your LTR?

I must admit that there has been a slow down as of late. Maybe more than a month. It seems the honey moon time has come and gone.

She is still very cute and sexy, and I still love her (as much as we can use the word "love" here) but the body does not obey the mind.

It has only been some weeks since I began no-fap. My hope is that this is just a phase I need to pass. Or else I will have to have a close look at this LTR.

Do you mean it-s been a month since you fucked the girl? If yes, I don-t think you need to hear the answer, as you already know it.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-10-2017 06:23 AM

If you haven't fucked your girlfriend in a month, you're it's friends.

Quit hoping. Start doing.

I don't know your story but I suggest getting your T bloods done. It's cheap and no matter what the results are, they can be used as a baseline.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Zona - 08-10-2017 01:05 PM

Just to expand upon the link between fapping and test levels:

Quote:a) It’s known that short-term abstinence of 3 weeks can slightly increases testosterone levels in healthy human subjects, and one interesting study shows a significant 145% spike in T at the 7th day of abstinence (probably an evolutionary trigger to reproduce). However, long-term abstinence of 3 months has been shown to significantly reduce testosterone levels (note that this is only researched in men with erectile dysfunction, so the low T can be caused by something completely different).

b) In multiple human and animal studies, it has been noted that ejaculation does not acutely change serum testosterone levels, busting the common myth that ejaculation would rapidly deplete the body from testosterone.

c) Even though ejaculations seemingly have no significant effects on serum testosterone levels, they can (at least according to rodent studies) alter the body’s ability to utilize testosterone. It has been seen that after multiple ejaculations a sharp decline in androgen receptors takes place inside the hypothalamus, and not only that, but a sharp increase in estrogen receptors follows as well. One rodent study also found out that 1 or 2 ejaculations in short span of time increased androgen receptor activity in the body, while 4 or more ejaculations caused a significant drop in the activity of AR, suggesting that ejaculating yourself to “sexual exhaustion” might lower your body’s ability to utilize androgens.

d) While masturbation induced ejaculations don’t seem to have that big of an effect on serum testosterone levels, sex with a real person does. For example: In a study of 44 men visiting a sex club, it was noted that the men who actually had sex in the club with a woman, noted a nice 72% average increase in their testosterone levels, while the men who only watched the act, got a boost of 11%. In another study, it was seen that on couples, testosterone levels increase on the nights that they have sexual intercourse, but not on the nights that they don’t. One study also saw that older men who have more sex, have higher T levels. What causes this if ejaculations don’t? It could be the interpersonal touch, the female pheromones, the feelings of dominance, power, and even success…

The key takeaways:

Quote:- Short-term abstinence from ejaculations can slightly increase testosterone levels.
- Long-term abstinence can reduce serum T.
- Having an ejaculation does not acutely affect testosterone levels.
- Ejaculating to the point of “sexual exhaustion” can make it harder for your body to utilize testosterone.
- Masturbation doesn’t seem to affect testosterone levels in any significant manner.
- Sex with a real person can boost testosterone levels significantly.

All of that taken from here, but they provide a bunch of peer reviewed studies to support their claims.

So the bottom line is that if you're doing no PMO for the test benefits then, at best, you may see a marginal increase in the short-term, but at worst you could actually be lowering your test long-term.

Anecdotally, I once did 150 days no fap/no sex several years ago. I felt like absolute shit, so I got my bloodwork done and my test levels were on the low end. At the time I believed it was due to being depressed and other lifestyle factors (and I'm sure those played a role), but it's entirely possible that not having any sexual release, even through fapping, was hurting me as well.

In any case, the best strategy here is to cut out porn entirely and perhaps limit fapping to a degree while prioritizing sex. I've said it before, but porn is the real problem here, not fapping...unless you fap so often that your body struggles to utilize available testosterone.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-10-2017 03:06 PM

@Zona in those 150 days joe many times did you get laid?

It's easy to say "porn is the problem, not fapping," but how many guys can commit to jerking off without porn? I'll wait.

Hands down the best lifestyle is having sex all the time. THAT's what we should aim for. No half measures.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Zona - 08-10-2017 07:16 PM

(08-10-2017 03:06 PM)redbeard Wrote:  @Zona in those 150 days joe many times did you get laid?

It's easy to say "porn is the problem, not fapping," but how many guys can commit to jerking off without porn? I'll wait.

Hands down the best lifestyle is having sex all the time. THAT's what we should aim for. No half measures.

I didn't get laid at all during that time period. I had moved in with some family members out in the middle of nowhere, so my access to pussy was severely limited. I decided to go full monk mode just to see how I'd feel.

And honestly, I can't speak for other guys, but for me it really isn't that difficult to fap without porn, especially once you've been without it for awhile. I suppose this is different for everyone, but if anything it just reinforces the fact that porn is the main problem if a guy has a hard time getting aroused without it. A guy above said he watches porn but doesn't orgasm to it, so basically he just edges for awhile. This is actually much worse for your brain than if you just rub one out quickly using your imagination or memories of past bangs.

Obviously the ideal is having a steady supply of pussy so we have a healthy sexual outlet. That's why I specifically said we should be prioritizing sex, but the point is that the occasional fap without porn isn't going to destroy a guy's test levels or fuck with his neurochemistry too much. It seems like some guys have a misunderstanding about the degree that fapping messes with our hormones, so I just wanted to clear that up.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - twogapz - 08-12-2017 08:38 AM

(07-20-2017 12:10 PM)heavy Wrote:  One thing you could try is simply observing and recording when you fail. I do this on my calendar, similar to recording when I do BJJ or lift.

Helpful idea. Shows progress even with a few setbacks.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Sam Malone - 08-12-2017 01:01 PM

Today marks 200 days exactly.

NPNF was my New Year's Resolution, fell off the wagon twice early on, smooth sailing since.

Positives, some of it is because of No Porn No Fap, some of it is results of the forum as a whole:

- Stronger erections
- Faster refractory periods
- More energetic
- Seems like I'm finding more 'logical' solutions to problems (?)
- More aggressive in Game
- More 'fluid' in Game
- Seem to be recognizing 'shit tests' better

I won't say it's easy, it's not. But the benefits are huge.

What's helped me a lot is, as I've said here before, marking notches (and faps) on the calendar. It's a great visual reminder of your progress.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 08-12-2017 02:22 PM

Great work bro!

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RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Geomann180 - 08-13-2017 04:56 AM

No FAP for a week now.

New plate has "forbidden" me from watching porn or masturbating. Since she's willing to help me out every time I see her, I think I have a good chance of rewiring my brain and unfucking myself.

I'd consider myself addicted to porn and the easy dopamine at this point.

G


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Ivanis - 08-13-2017 06:16 AM

^
A chick "forbidding" me from doing anything is a good way to get on my bad side.

Update: it's been three weeks now. Damn! I'm feeling good. Been getting mad workouts in the gym, feeling much more primal and hair triggered if that makes sense. For example I was at work and someone had to carry about 175lbs up a flight of stairs and while all of my coworkers are procrastinating and not wanting to carry them up I just went and did it. It's like I ain't go time for that shit no more.

Haven't done much gaming, but when I do game it is madly successful. I love the look of a chick when she does a double take and stops dead in her tracks when she sees the look my eyes and the eye contact I made. I think it's because something in her subconscious tells her that this dude isn't fucking around like all the other limp wristed cucks.

Bottom line: NoFap's a helluva drug.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - niledelta - 08-13-2017 06:56 AM

90 days completed.

No porn, no masturbation

Day 1-16 no release
Day 17-59 regular sex
Day 60-90 no release

Tested my testosterone at approx Day 2 and Day 60. No difference.

Every measure of my life has improved. Cold showers are great for killing urges. Jordan Peterson's Self-Authoring is important for you to complete to get your psychology right.

30 days without a release (and counting) is initially very difficult. I feel constant aggression and tension in my actions and body.

History

I first started trying to quit porn about 3 years ago. Managed a 9 month streak by making a promise and a £ wager with my brother. This time there was no wager, only my will power.

For me, this 90 Day achievement was the real thing, because it was a promise made to myself, not to anybody else.

Drawbacks?

You've got to find something to do with the extra time and energy. I also quit drinking about 4 months ago so this compounded the effect.

I ended up putting this time into the gym and exercise. Gaining a six pack and good, defined muscularity as a consequence.

Future

Keeping the cancer of porn and alcohol out of my life. I'm determined not to masturbate either. That will require a bit more experimentation with my management.

Is it worth it?

For you men out there considering this, I say wholeheartedly that your life will change for the better, and in ways you will never be able to conceptualise right now.

If you have an addiction of any sort, you are serving a miserable master, when a developed man should be master to others.

Any questions, let me know if I can help


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Kieran - 08-13-2017 08:10 AM

(08-13-2017 06:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  Update: it's been three weeks now. Damn! I'm feeling good. Been getting mad workouts in the gym, feeling much more primal and hair triggered if that makes sense. For example I was at work and someone had to carry about 175lbs up a flight of stairs and while all of my coworkers are procrastinating and not wanting to carry them up I just went and did it. It's like I ain't go time for that shit no more.

haha this is me exactly, no time whatsoever for this type of thing.

I also feel a constant kind of low level feeling of restlessness / excitedness / urgency to be out doing stuff like approaching girls and developing myself. The last two years I've been working a 9-5 for the first time in my life, and I'll be sitting in my chair and just have to get up and have a walk about because the feeling gets too strong.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - kosko - 08-14-2017 01:49 PM

I don't remember when I started NoPorn, for those who follow this thread actively I think it has been two months now, maybe more. So far things have been good. I still watch videos, but none of the standard porn variety.

This change means, nothing hardcore, no penetration, actually no guy-girl porn at all. If I do watch a video is solo tease videos, strip videos, or even just photography videos where the woman is a naked muse. If it is girl-girl I really only watch them strip and make out, when they start getting too hardcore I will shut it off (I tried at one time just watching lesbian porn, but again, slippery slope. You see your favourite hot girls and next minute you know you are watching her licking a lollipop out of a girls ass.. which is hot btw.. but that can't be healthy for the mind long term).

This transition has been good for me as the "head fog" I would get from old porn binges doesn't happen anymore. It has also added fuel to my already raging and animalistic lust I have for the female form. Just looking a hot woman and being able to eagle eye every inch of her body, her curves, her face, it all is so much better.

It is getting to the point that I wish that some of my old favourite porn stars did more softcore shit. A girl like Kelsi Monroe, for example, gets me wild. Her hoe ass only does hardcore shit mostly, I can't find anything of her just teasing and being sexy really. That bitch is bad. She could be in a fucking Used Car Commercial and I would fap.

Next, it is also easy to unplug. The intense stimuli from regular hardcore porn can entrap you. When you just look at hot girls naked and teasing or stripping it is very subdued, and you almost get bored of it after a while as you would any other girl you are fucking. It is easy to unplug and not even think about it for a while, many days even.

Some sites I recommend:

Quote:Nude-Muse

It is all natural girls from Australia. The site owner is likely a pervert like me, but he has a hustle of just doing nude photography and he was smart enough to monetize it so good for him.
Also:

Quote:Only-Tease

This site is just girls stripping and wearing sexy outfits.

I am even getting back into still images again, it is almost as if I am taking it old school. I think this classic way of looking at girls is normal and healthy. Your brain can process tame images like this.

Now onto No-Fap:

This has been mixed, I really maybe will fap once a week. Oddly enough it is usually with a bang if I didn't get two rounds off. I think one week was three times but I had a sex bender with a broad of Tinder after that and she basically drained my nuts dry and turned my grapes into raisins. I think we fucked 8 times in 2.5 periods. It was nuts.

Overall:

I do think things have normalised a bit. I am way more focused on sex now. Still, some work to be done with getting off the porn habit for good but now I do notice I can get into more and more with fucking versus before. I am lasting longer lately which is good, my boners seem to stronger as well. Past few girls I dicked down was all about it so it definitely seems to be something better. I point to this change as lately my sleeping and eating habits have been complete shit so it isn;t my health that is boosting things.


Observations:

The fucked up nature of porn is creeping into the female narrative now. Girls are low key starting to talk about men who watch too much porn because now girls are starting to get bad dick because of it. I see creeping up online, on Snapchat, and via conversations with broads about men they have been with that are in too deep to porn have trouble performing during sex.

One girl outright said...
Quote:"No fuck it, this is where my Grad Degree gets its value, I see a correlation between men I have been with who are obsessed with porn and shitty sex".

Of course, I trolled her back ...
Quote:"Aye, you must have a large sample then to draw these conclusions".

This is for sure a subversive problem. First time I have seen women start to openly talk about it.


So in the end, just remember that taking the steps and using this forum as a support system is the best way to get yourself moving forward away from the toxic nature of porn. This is a soft weapon, I am convinced of it now. I just hope I can keep this streak going, I am happy with the results so far. I hope this post can help other to stay motivated and stay committed. It will get better for you with time. It will.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Geomann180 - 08-15-2017 05:42 AM

(08-13-2017 06:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  ^
A chick "forbidding" me from doing anything is a good way to get on my bad side.

I put it in scare quotes because she's not forbidding me from doing anything.

If I really wanted to jack off or watch porn, I would.

G


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Ivanis - 08-15-2017 06:00 AM

(08-15-2017 05:42 AM)Geomann180 Wrote:  
(08-13-2017 06:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  ^
A chick "forbidding" me from doing anything is a good way to get on my bad side.

I put it in scare quotes because she's not forbidding me from doing anything.

If I really wanted to jack off or watch porn, I would.

G

I figured that had been why you put quotations around it. What I am saying is that for the chick to even think that she has the authority to "forbid" you from doing anything is the problem I would have with it. Even if you and I both know that she can't do shit to stop us from doing whatever we please, its a total turn off for me to have her think she can.

Just my 2¢.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Sam Malone - 08-15-2017 06:37 AM

(08-13-2017 06:16 AM)Ivanis Wrote:  Bottom line: NoFap's a helluva drug.

Agreed..

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