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RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - mistertruc - 11-09-2016 08:37 AM

On day 7 again.
If Trump can become president I CAN STOP PORN


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - philosophical_recovery - 11-09-2016 08:51 AM

Day 33.

Had a girl over to celebrate MAGA last night. My advances were defended, but man it felt good to play with dem titties and get some nice big hard ones.

MAGA NOFAP


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Enjoythedecline - 11-09-2016 11:50 AM

(11-09-2016 08:37 AM)mistertruc Wrote:  On day 7 again.
If Trump can become president I CAN STOP PORN

If this guy can beat the establishment, I feel like I can do anything !


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Mufasa - 11-09-2016 12:59 PM

Day 3: constant half chub. channeling my sexual energies into texting, tinder, and okc. kinda working...


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Nater - 11-09-2016 06:21 PM

Day 3 as well. I feel better but my dick still hurts.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - greekgod - 11-10-2016 08:04 PM

Day 20. Haven't been tempted much lately and feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel great, man!

My brain is healing. My memory is back to that of an elephants. Excited to see the further progress.

I know longer consider this a "fight or resist the urge" as much as I view it an investment in myself. This is my little superpower and the more invested I am, the more my ROI grows.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Il Sorpasso - 11-11-2016 07:05 AM

ok so its 50 days until new years eve and i will do my best to stay away from porn at least before that date.

LETS DO IT FELLAS

DON'T POP DAT CHAMPAIGNE BEFORE NEW YEAR WE CAN DO THIS

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RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - philosophical_recovery - 11-11-2016 08:31 AM

FIVE WEEKS!


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - YoungBlade - 11-11-2016 12:24 PM

12 days. Though I did edge to the national anthem on Wednesday.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - sterling_archer - 11-13-2016 05:34 AM

Day 21 (week 3).

I don't know if this is related or not but I found something very interesting in my case. Apart from change in thinking and attitude which has been greatly talked about in this thread, I found out that I am not addicted at all to cigarettes.

I have always considered myself more of a social smoker, not really addicted, which smokes maybe 2-3 cigarette per day and more when I go out, but in the last two weeks since I started nofap / no porn, I haven't had real urge for a one! This week I smoked just one cigarette and last week also.

I have thought maybe about that this challenge puts subconsciously affirmation "if you are not addicted to fap/porn, you are not addicted to anything" and my body proceeded accordingly to it.

I am very curious to what rest of you will say to this.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - tomzestatlu - 11-13-2016 07:26 AM

On friday I´ve seen porn after 6 months. No need to feel guilty, let´s do another 6 months.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Dream Medicine - 11-13-2016 12:03 PM

Intro

This thread represents a core pillar of what's great about RVF and Neomasculinity--namely, taking responsibility for one's own actions and seeing the virtue in self-discipline to achieve a better, healthier life.

Conversely the idea of, for example, 'fat acceptance' represents not only a trading of personal agency for self-harming delusions, but also the rejection of evidence-based science. In this post I will share some of the scientific findings relating to NoFap alongside my own perspective.

You vs the Urge

It is difficult to exaggerate the ecological power underlying the urge to pass on our genes (jacking off is akin to tricking our body in this regard). Given the modern enablers of fast internet and easy-access porn--a harmful vice on its own [1]--it takes mighty self-control to abstain.

There have been some fantastic posts here, e.g., by HankRearden [2], which highlight (a) several benefits for quitting/moderation, and (b) some practical, how-to techniques. I feel passionate about health, be it mental, physical or otherwise, and wanted to share another reason to go easy when it comes to chokin' the chicken.

Sometimes our emotional states override our logical, rational thoughts. In order to take back this sense of control, it may take a big, clear reason for us to tell ourselves "NO!" For instance, if you're about to bag a same-night-lay, you may feel a deep, animalistic urge to slide it in raw and bust inside. In most cases we can override this urge with a thought or image relating to disease or pregnancy; e.g., "this chick is a slut, who knows what she has, wrap it up!"

Likewise if you're having difficulty with jerking in moderation (a problem that plagued me for years), I suggest that you get in touch with your big, clear reason(s).

Find your ‘why’

What is my big ‘why’? Well, I have a few, some positive (e.g., I wanna save my energy for both me and my girl) and negative (namely prostate cancer).

As a young, healthy man, the latter may seem like a problem for other, old people. Also, for many years there were a number of public advocates for the role of jerking/ejaculation in reducing cancer, or simply, for no limit jerk-a-thons [3]. However, recent evidence indicates a number of reasons to reconsider such advice [4], suggesting that “frequent masturbation in young men is linked to higher risk of early prostate cancer” [5].

Scientific Evidence

In both sexes [4] greater masturbation frequency is associated with:

Quote:"...more depressive symptoms, less happiness, and several other indicators of poorer physical and mental health, (which include anxious attachment, immature psychological defense mechanisms, greater blood pressure reactivity to stress, dissatisfaction with one’s mental health and life in general)... impaired sexual function... and more dissatisfaction with relationships and less love for partners.

In contrast, penile-vaginal intercourse (PVI) is very consistently related to better health, better sexual function and better intimate relationship quality. Moreover, although less risk of prostate cancer was associated with greater number of ejaculations (without specification of the sexual behavior), it is PVI frequency that is specifically associated with reduced risk, whereas masturbation frequency is more often related to increased risk.”

Considering that, “in Western countries, prostate cancer is amongst the most common adult-onset cancers in men” [6], a drastic re-thinking of education relating to masturbation is warranted if we are to make strides in establishing best practice guidelines.

Limitations

That said, little in the way of firm, all-encompassing conclusions about single, causal factors can be made at this point. A recent literature review entitled “Evidence for Masturbation and Prostate Cancer Risk: Do We Have a Verdict?“ [7] noted that:

Quote:“...All findings considered as results and subsequently discussed were correlational relations; no direct outcomes were specifically caused by individual study variables. The possibilities for contributing variables are many and might include differentiating ejaculation types, differentiating between masturbatory ejaculation and all other forms, defining type of ejaculation in age categories, and sexual risk behaviors such as prophylactic use, number of partners, frequency, and STI history. Age range emerged as an important third variable in addition to masturbation and PCa risk...

Further questions could also relate to the optimal frequency, grip and duration of self-pleasure, in addition to interactions between such factors and individual differences in sex drive, pelvic function and testosterone levels. To illustrate, perhaps two 25-year-old men who both get laid twice a week through PVI, one with a 5/10 testosterone level and one with a 9/10 level, would have a different range of optimal whacking frequency.

Conclusion

Nonetheless, when considering the empirical evidence, in addition to the anecdotal weight of this thread (which include a range of other benefits to nofap like enabling the power to persist on a date), the suggestion to limit jerkin of the gherkin seem wise to heed for any virile young man.

Some tips


General
  • Put a coded, subtle reminder note on your home computer desk that only you can interpret (e.g., jgna = jerking the gherkin not allowed).
  • When you're in your bedroom or another jerking-friendly environment (hopefully not on the bus fellas), avoid any stimulus that could trigger it, such as chicks on social media.
  • Talk to a red-pilled mate who understands, and tell him your goal, for example: no fap for 2 weeks. You will be more likely to achieve your goals when you feel an obligation to be consistent in the eyes of others. Like a gym buddy, friends can also motivate you.
  • Give yourself a small reward to replace the vice. For example, instead of spending an hour jacking off, take half that time to watch a comedy show or call a friend.

If you feel the urge
  • Learn to enjoy it rather than trying to fight it. Reframe it in your mind as a great feeling of energy, power and intrinsic pleasure, rather than a need to release.
  • Remind yourself of your own personal 'why', perhaps a positive (e.g., rubbing your diamond-hard member against some girl in the club tonight) or negative image (e.g., the regret that you have afterwards).
  • Take some small, immediate action that will change your mental or physical state. For instance, drink 2 big glasses of water (side note: this is also good for fasting when feeling the urge to eat).

Links

[1] http://yourbrainonporn.com/research-articles-and-abstracts
[2] HankRearden: RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group
[3] RE: How porn screws up your brain
[4] Costa, R.M., 2012. Masturbation is related to psychopathology and prostate dysfunction: Comment on Quinsey (2012). Archives of sexual behavior, 41(3), p.539.
[5] Daniel J. DeNoon, WebMD Health News, Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD, “Masturbation Frequency Linked to Prostate Risk in 20s, Protection in 50s” (2009)
[6] Dimitropoulou, P., et al, 2009. Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age. BJU international, 103(2), pp.178-185.
[7] Aboul-Enein, B.H., et al, 2016. Evidence for Masturbation and Prostate Cancer Risk: Do We Have a Verdict?. Sexual Medicine Reviews.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - redbeard - 11-13-2016 12:19 PM

There is nothing more satisfying than blowing a huge load on a new girl after not jerking off for weeks. I swear sometimes I can see into the fourth dimension.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Blackpill - 11-14-2016 02:30 PM

I have a dilemma. I just hit day 20 today (I count by last ejaculation) and I've been working on NPNF for quite sometime. I am new to game, very new, and just began browsing the forum hard a month ago. I would have preferred to just review, learn and put some work under my belt before I began to comment and do my first post. After what took place I feel I need to see if anyone has had a similar experience.

What I do: NPNF, eating a high testosterone diet, taking Zinc and Magnesium daily, just recently began B12 and Turmeric supplements, 2-3oz of chia seeds in water daily, eating a clean diet of high nutrient greens and lean proteins. My current living arrangements are unstable so I maintain this as best as I can. I don't edge, I do kegels when I think about them or when I use the restroom. NPNF gives me clarity and semen retention gives me drive and focus so my purpose is to build up and maintain for as long as possible while I am building stability and getting myself in order before I start gaming women.

Before I go forward I want to say that I am past NPNF and really focusing on No Ejaculation. Period. I feel, from my experience, ejaculating voluntarily or involuntarily is a big setback and I can feel it physically and mentally.

What happened: So just a few hours ago, I dozed off and woke up with a boner. There is nothing wrong with that and, in actuality, I am glad it happens. 6-8 months into my NPNF journey extended periods over 3 weeks caused my penis to be non-operational which scared me into action in the first place. So now, I take this time to work my PC muscle, check the strength of the boner, recall any triggers or a dream.. basically a health check every salute. This happened this morning. Did the routine check, let it pass on it's own, no biggie. I doze off for a few minutes and I have a VERY real dream I was masturbating intensely and busted a HUGE load. Instantly woke up and, as I feared, see a massive waste of life force in my boxers. Fuck. So, I had to recall about 17 hrs prior at the grocery store. I was in produce and I notice an older white women, mid-40s, in shape, maybe a looker some years ago, but never would have registered on my radar (I'm 30, black). At this point I have walked a few miles, fasted, taken my daily supplements and energy levels are through the roof, vibe is high so visual stimulus is generally in full effect, but nothing. I move on to the asparagus. We've circled around produce and now she is walking directly towards me. as soon as she gets within 4-5ft of me I feel this rush of energy towards her, it's full on, the blood instantly starts to the nether regions, heart beats up, body temp is up and I'm taken back because this woman, who visually has none of my triggers and didn't think twice about has my body thinking it's to create a legacy with this woman. We made eye contact and hovered for a while and just felt it for a bit to understand what it was, but I couldn't risk walking around with a hard on. I sat on my haunches and waited to return to normal and hid while I waited for this wave to run off. I also had another spanish girl, 5, heavier that was hovering while I was on cool down, but mentally I decided it was best to shut it down. Afterwards I felt euphoric and on high for nearly an hour.

Now, I feel like I've lost 20 days of hard-work and similar situation occurred at the same time period of my "fast". Has anyone had a similar experience? Is this beyond my control? Is this just a wet dream?I feel this definitely counts as a FAP since It's against my goal of long-term semen retention plans and increasing my Testosterone. Either way I feel it's a huge L.

This is my first comment or post so I am grateful for feedback and glad to be here.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - EnergyGame - 11-14-2016 11:05 PM

in my experience the wet dreams are a good thing. the release is coming from a place of stillness and the fluid seems different too - more clear and less milky so you probably retain more sperm than with a waking load. i feel like the release from a wet dream is more of a purging of lust, rather than a perpetuating of it via jerking. if you can just go on as if nothing happened, same amount of time/energy in to the next cycle you should be less horny at a subconscious level.

so you can't control the lust lingering in your subconscious mind, you just have to accept wet dreams as part of the process if they happen. be pleased you got to the point where your tank was full and didn't consciously release, it's no mean feat at the best of times. so not getting caught up with accidents like wet dreams is the path to clearing the stuff that causes them in the first place. they're a sign of progress is my 2cents.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - philosophical_recovery - 11-15-2016 12:23 AM

Day 38 thoughts:

I think that frequent masturbation and porn contributes to oneitis.

I haven't fully fleshed out my thoughts on the matter, but I'm having a hard time getting hung up on a single girl. Whereas, before, I would find myself getting heavy on oneitis, now I keep looking at other options and continue laying pipelines for other girls.

It may have to do that when you're jerking it to porn, you're constantly searching for that image, or position, or some kind of act that just "does it" for you. You fantasize that particular image or act, hallucinating it over and over in your brain, until you get a dopamine rush that locks in some memory and brain rewards for that very imagery. That rush and imagery necessarily gets tangled into the girl that you're turning into an idealistic fetish for arousal.

When you don't get that reward, whether or not you're jerking it or having sex, it's much harder to idealize a girl like that. You're hungry, you're horny for that pussy, but you're not ODing on dopamine and building up reward centers in your brain over it. You get turned on when you're with her and seeing her, but it's just not the same.

Maybe this is total BS but there's a definite difference in the pattern of behavior I'm experiencing right now.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - sterling_archer - 11-15-2016 01:34 AM

^Very good observation. Explains why lot of people who watch porn have very detailed and specific preferences on what to fap. Could we conclude they will experience oneitis if they found similar thing in real life?


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - EnergyGame - 11-15-2016 05:45 AM

i think the more you gratify yourself, the more closed minded you become. this applies to everything not just sexual activity. if you get what you want as soon as you want it, you'll naturally have a less flexible mind. you've conditioned yourself to automatically 'win' without trying, becoming driven by that one thing you want and can seemingly always have (in case of fapping). a big part of it is that you're building up an intolerance to all the things that are not #1 preference, becoming more restless in the process. fully agree with the posts above.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Grenblin - 11-15-2016 10:27 AM

Broke down after 92 days. Out of sheer boredom.
Went full binge, multiple times with pr0n.
On a "positive" side, aside from shame which followed, I did notice that pr0n which used to get me excited caused an "eww, what the hell" reaction.
Back to Day 1.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Mercenary - 11-15-2016 11:09 AM

(11-15-2016 10:27 AM)Grenblin Wrote:  Broke down after 92 days. Out of sheer boredom.
Went full binge, multiple times with pr0n.
On a "positive" side, aside from shame which followed, I did notice that pr0n which used to get me excited caused an "eww, what the hell" reaction.
Back to Day 1.

Congratulations on reaching 92 days...that's quite an achievement.
I'm slightly surprised you went back to porn though....being with a new girl in real life would have been a better way to break your record.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - Nater - 11-15-2016 06:23 PM

Day 10 of nofap my friends.
I woke up with a morning boner today. First time in a while, maybe because I ate salmon yesterday.

Fish makes me horny.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - testos111 - 11-16-2016 12:21 PM

(11-15-2016 10:27 AM)Grenblin Wrote:  Broke down after 92 days. Out of sheer boredom.
Went full binge, multiple times with pr0n.
On a "positive" side, aside from shame which followed, I did notice that pr0n which used to get me excited caused an "eww, what the hell" reaction.
Back to Day 1.

Same here. Gave up after 74 days out of boredom and the only saving grace was the new found disgust for porn, which I could not have imagined 1.5 years back when I started the Npnf quest


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - goonies - 11-16-2016 06:31 PM

^^

Does it take a while to become disgusted with porn? Usually when I relapse, I go right back to the same hardcore stuff I was watching.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - ShotgunUppercuts - 11-17-2016 03:01 AM

I keep fucking up dammit.

This time I'm gonna count.


RE: NoPorn / NoFap Google Group - For Those Who're Serious - YoungBlade - 11-17-2016 12:45 PM

Was skyping my girl and we got into a fight. That's one way to kill libido.