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The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - ElJefe - 02-12-2014 04:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6r7LhcHHAc#t=112

Pretty interesting. And sad. Very sad.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Snowplow - 02-12-2014 05:00 AM

I think this is a dupe. But yes, it is a very annoying trait. I automatically guess she watches too much reality shows when I meet a girl who does this. Its really fun to call girls and even guys out when you catch them doing it.

"Why are you talking like that Kermit?"


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Roosh - 02-12-2014 08:06 AM

The development is interesting in that humans can change the way they talk for no apparent reason at all, just like how a new meme can spread. If left in isolation, the "vocal fry" probably wouldn't be so annoying, but when you combine with you the uptalk, "like, you know", and other bad speech habits, it does not sound appealing.

On the bright side, European girls don't do this.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - spalex - 02-12-2014 08:49 AM

If we didn't bring attention to it... They would realise on their own, that they do it for no reason and it sounds stupid. Eventually it would just fade away.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - DJ-Matt - 02-12-2014 10:34 AM

Between vocal fry and uptalking I want to duct tape every girl's mouth shut.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Deacon0228 - 02-12-2014 10:59 AM

In Miami you have your typical white girls who sound like this. Conveniently congregated at university of Miami. Half of the time approaching one just makes me want to rip their voice box. And then they say I have an accent, because I speak proper English?

The worst is hearing an entitled latin girl have a voice like she's questioning everything lol.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Dr. Howard - 02-12-2014 12:38 PM

(02-12-2014 10:34 AM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  Between vocal fry and uptalking I want to duct tape every girl's mouth shut.

Agreed, I think vocal fry and uptalking is the new glass ceiling for women. Put a woman with a southern or neutral accent in the same job as a girl with sarcastic vocal fry and the prior one will get ahead...mostly because she doesn't sound like a bitch when she's saying her words.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - speakeasy - 02-12-2014 12:46 PM

Middle class southern white girls have the best accent in America. The southern belle accent. I love it.






RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Courage Reborn - 02-12-2014 01:34 PM

^adorabe

Southern belles are my favorite in the US.


When I hear a chick speak with vocal fry these days, I mentally check-out of the approach. It's like I instantly realize her personality is all wrong for what I'm looking for.

Vocal fry actively signals "entitled white girl problems".

Contrast to girls I usually hook up with, who talk more like golden retrievers. They sound excited that I opened them, or called them. Their voices pitch with eagerness. Not boredom.

I suspect vocal tonality is an important part of compatibility that people aren't consciously aware of. It reflects the persons attitude towards life.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - speakeasy - 02-12-2014 02:06 PM

The southern girl above isn't cute, but when you come across one that is with the same charming accent, man oh man!

Now compare to this girl at 1:48:






RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - samsamsam - 02-12-2014 02:32 PM

(02-12-2014 02:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  The southern girl above isn't cute, but when you come across one that is with the same charming accent, man oh man!

Now compare to this girl at 1:48:



That and how she chews her gum. Probably can't her mouth anymore given the number of cocks she has sucked.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Dr. Howard - 02-12-2014 04:04 PM

(02-12-2014 02:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  The southern girl above isn't cute, but when you come across one that is with the same charming accent, man oh man!

Now compare to this girl at 1:48:




I think you were referring to something more like this.




She's upset that she's 5 ft 2 and 110 lbs. I almost like the quick wit these girls have more than the accent. There's nothing like going to a restaurant around here with a good country waitress. Ali B can also attest the the accent and wit on country girls around here. Don't be fooled into thinking its everywhere though, you get right into Knoxville, which is a small city and there are no accents, short hair, tattoos and bad attitudes.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - rastignac - 02-12-2014 04:35 PM

(02-12-2014 04:52 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6r7LhcHHAc#t=112

Pretty interesting. And sad. Very sad.

They are trying to sound like men. It is part and parcel of the great American gender experiment.

This is very obvious in a work environment when women attempt to hit the deep registers when trying to sound authoritative. If you respond lower, they will even go lower. It is a fun sport.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Suits - 02-12-2014 05:16 PM






RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Laner - 02-12-2014 05:24 PM

Quote: Middle class southern white girls have the best accent in America. The southern belle accent. I love it.

I might say the best female English accent in the world. I get this shit eatin grin on my face when I hear a woman like Dolly talk.

I always associated the vocal fry with shitty attitude that seemed to radiate from my hipster friends. Everything was underwhelming to them. Everything is done, played out, boring, etc. This type of talk just seemed to vocalize their feelings.

I used to imitate them even before I really knew what I was doing. I would repeat their sounds, but with my baritone voice, and tell them to practice after me. Then I would do it again, like a maestro, and orchestrate it.

They hated that. So I know they were attuned to what a joke they sound like. Fortunately most women around here have outgrown that scene.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Easy_C - 05-29-2015 07:33 PM

"It sounds underwhelmed and disengaged"

Which is exactly the affect that 20 something american chicks are usually trying to achieve.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Samseau - 05-30-2015 11:22 AM

I went dancing down south with a bunch of chicks and one of the girls said to me, in that funny ass dolly accent,

"Dayum boyh!! Youh cain daynce!!"

I just about lost it, could barely breathe while dancing I was laughing so hard...


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Lucky - 07-08-2015 01:43 PM

At 2:06 of this video, Gavin McInnes gives an interesting explanation that I've never heard for why women uptalk.

He claims that when women started entering college in droves, many of them didn't belong there because they weren't intellectually up to par. So many of them participated in class discussions but couldn't quite grasp the material so they began talking like this? Like they didn't know what they were talking about? So everything they said sounds like a question?

From college, it has spread to the rest of society, including guys.









RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Libertas - 07-09-2015 08:01 AM

(02-12-2014 08:06 AM)Roosh Wrote:  The development is interesting in that humans can change the way they talk for no apparent reason at all, just like how a new meme can spread.

Yeah, I experienced this myself the other day. I asked the girls here if I had a New York accent (some people say I have it and others say I don't). They said it wasn't apparent until I asked them.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - General Stalin - 07-09-2015 08:39 AM

(02-12-2014 04:04 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(02-12-2014 02:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  The southern girl above isn't cute, but when you come across one that is with the same charming accent, man oh man!

Now compare to this girl at 1:48:




I think you were referring to something more like this.




She's upset that she's 5 ft 2 and 110 lbs. I almost like the quick wit these girls have more than the accent. There's nothing like going to a restaurant around here with a good country waitress. Ali B can also attest the the accent and wit on country girls around here. Don't be fooled into thinking its everywhere though, you get right into Knoxville, which is a small city and there are no accents, short hair, tattoos and bad attitudes.

Ahhh what a time it was. See that? Talking candidly about her weight and how calling her tubby when she was 150 @ 5'2" was perfectly acceptable because women are supposed to be slim and attractive. Also the casual sexually suggestive comments flying without anyone batting an eye. Fuck this time we live in.

Vocal fry and uptalk make a girl sound 100% emotionless and uninteresting at best, and tragically annoying to listen to at worst. Where ever the hell they learned it from, I can't wait for this speech pattern to die out. It goes along with the social trend of sarcasm and snark being acceptable and endearing qualities.

Time to start speech shaming.

EDIT: Also I agree a wholesome southern-bell accent is beautiful. That combined with the "southern hospitality" and general feminine good-values taught in rural communities is Grade-A stuff


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - MidWest - 07-09-2015 10:52 AM

Midwestern accent in the house! Banana











RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - Dr. Howard - 07-09-2015 12:32 PM

^ FIBS...


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - eatthishomie - 01-01-2016 04:17 PM

when I hear vocal fry I automatically hear "I was doing that before it was cool…" regardless of what the person is actually saying.


RE: The Valley Girl dialect is a vehicle for cultural change - The Lizard of Oz - 01-01-2016 04:44 PM