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Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - alexdagr81 - 09-24-2014 09:39 AM

Quote:I realize this headline is click-bait, but I believe it to be true. Let me explain.

I am the president of the alumni house corporation of my MIT fraternity. One of my responsibilities is working with our young brothers to identify and manage risks that could lead to a tragic loss of life, the bankruptcy or loss of our chapter house as a result of a legal judgment, or forced dissolution after serving MIT students for over 125 years.

A recent incident at MIT’s Lambda Chi Alpha chapter in which a drunk female student apparently danced her way out of a window has, once again, resulted in a clamp-down on all fraternity parties. Thankfully, she seems to be recovering. And while this may appear to be a freak accident, something like this could happen on any campus, at any dorm or fraternity party, wet or dry. Unless and until we address how student drinking culture has evolved in response to the very regulations designed to control it, incidents like this are not going to go away. As recriminations against fraternities mount and panicked college administrators search for an easy out, one factor doesn’t seem to be getting sufficient analysis: drunk female guests.

Before feminist web vigilantes call for my defenestration, I single out female guests for one simple reason. Fraternity alumni boards, working with chapter officers, employ a variety of policies designed to guide and police member behavior. Our own risk management manual exceeds 22 pages. The number of rules and procedures that have to be followed to run a party nowadays would astound anyone over 40. We take the rules very seriously, so much so that brothers who flout these policies can, and will, be asked to move out. But we have very little control over women who walk in the door carrying enough pre-gaming booze in their bellies to render them unconscious before the night is through.

Alcohol and drinking woman

Yes, boozed up males also show up at parties, sometimes mobs of them disturbing the peace on the front steps. But few are allowed in, especially if they are strangers. Plus, it remains socially acceptable for bouncers to eject drunk and rowdy males because our society rarely casts them as sympathetic victims, as opposed to the irresponsible jerks that they are. In our age of sexual equality, why drunk female students are almost never characterized as irresponsible jerks is a question I leave to the feminists. But it is precisely those irresponsible women that the brothers must be trained to identify and protect against, because all it takes is one to bring an entire fraternity system down.

Pre-gaming is a serious problem, both for the safety of the young people who practice it and the safety of our institutions in a litigious, nanny-state society. As I wrote in my recent column “Ban Kegs From Fraternity Parties? Require Them Instead!,” the best way to reduce the incentive to furtively chug half a bottle of vodka before going out for a night of fun is by lowering the drinking age to 18 while encouraging the consumption of beer over distilled spirits. Alas, this is not going to happen any time soon. And so, any time a fraternity hosts an open party, wet or dry, brothers must assume that the house will be filled with ticking time bombs.

Here are the things that worry me most. Any of them could result in organizational extinction, even if the fraternity never served the “victim” a single drop of alcohol:

Alcohol poisoning due to overconsumption before, during, or after an event. Death or grievous injury as a result of falling down the stairs or off a balcony. Death or grievous injury as a result of a pedestrian or traffic accident as the young lady weaves her way home. False accusation of rape months after the fact triggered by regrets over a drunken hook-up, or anger over a failed relationship. And false 911 calls accusing our members of gang rape during a party in progress. (Yes, this happened, resulting in seven police cars and thirty officers storming the chapter house.)

Here is what I recommend to my young charges:

Identify drunks at the door. I don’t care how pretty or flirtatious a young lady is; if she’s visibly intoxicated, don’t let her in. Although we were once reprimanded for turning away a drunk female student who ultimately required an ambulance when she passed out on our sidewalk, it would have gone a lot worse for us had she collapsed inside.

In addition to the usual bouncers, assign several brothers to monitor female party guests. If any appear out of control, walk them to the door and put them in a cab heading back to their dorm. You can send me the bill. If they refuse to leave, call for an escort from campus police.

Never, ever take a drunk female guest to your bedroom – even if you have a signed contract indicating sexual consent. Based on new standards being promulgated on campus, all consent is null and void the minute a woman becomes intoxicated – even if she is your fiancée. And while a rape charge under these circumstances is unlikely to hold up in a court of law, it doesn’t take much for a campus kangaroo court to get you expelled, ruining your life while saddling your fraternity with a reputation for harboring rapists.

And please, look out for each other. Do not let a drunk brother take a drunk female to his bedroom. During parties wet or dry, let the water flow – proper hydration and dilution is the best remedy for over consumption. Make sure there are filled water pitchers everywhere. Press them on intoxicated guests even if they resist.

Pre-gaming can be dangerous, but it becomes especially destructive to others in a world that no longer believes in personal responsibility—when a student, male or female, can blame a friend, a host, even a university, for the unfortunate consequences of guzzling half a bottle of booze before joining a party. No nanny administrators or well-meaning risk-managers can fix the situation after an incident has occurred, and besieged fraternity systems are particularly vulnerable. (When has a dorm ever been permanently shut down as a consequence of the residents’ folly?)

Unless and until the drinking age is reduced to 18, students relearn how to pace themselves while drinking, and individuals are held responsible for the consequences of their own behavior, rather than blaming the institutions that house and educate them, the only defense is extreme vigilance.

Bill Frezza is the President of The Beta Foundation, the house corporation for the Chi Phi fraternity at MIT.

it has been deleted here's the cache link: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrezza/2014/09/23/drunk-female-guests-are-the-gravest-threat-to-fraternities/


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - kinjutsu - 09-24-2014 10:20 AM

I'm not surprised one bit by reading this.
The guy goes to MIT it would make sense his solution is well thought out and reasonable.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - bojangles - 09-24-2014 10:24 AM

Why the fuck was this deleted, its brilliant


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - jamaicabound - 09-24-2014 10:32 AM

Wow really takes the fun out of college. Although in this litigious day and age and with risk management in mind this all makes a lot of sense.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - nomadicdude - 09-24-2014 10:43 AM

Feminazis will destroy this guy even though he is being fair and reasonable. Their only viable solution is to cut off all men's cocks.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - The Beast1 - 09-24-2014 10:54 AM

I'm glad I graduated college when I did. It's no longer the sexy fun time it used to be.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - vinman - 09-24-2014 11:03 AM

You guys under 30 have my sympathies. At 46 I look back on my early 20's and it was a great time to be alive. The things that you guys have to tolerate are so degrading that it makes me cringe. All I really had to worry about was getting into a fight with haters, or getting put in the drunk tank for being a drunken mope (boys will be boys). Today you guys have to worry about a future after a life altering incident. It seems everything boils down to risk management and litigation. How can you relax and unwind if your world makes you so paranoid? Fortunately I worked out the overwhelming majority of young male exuberance before computer data bases and the internet.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - kaotic - 09-24-2014 11:27 AM

Women won't understand this logic, girls will always be the victims, even if you saw a video of them pregaming, blacking out, and puking.

Girls can never be "drunk jerks".

This guy's logic is fucking spot on and sound. Filter, monitor, eject.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - heavy - 09-24-2014 11:35 AM

The article title...every guy on the planet knows this.

Sex and trouble have the same recipe, with a woman and alcohol being the only ingredients.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - runsonmagic - 09-24-2014 11:36 AM

This guys sounds like a leader, and a man looking out for his people. I salute him.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Faust - 09-24-2014 11:53 AM

Did you guys notice he referenced another post in that article?

His other post is about lowering the drinking age. He feels that by artificially raising the drinking age, we're actually increasing the amount of alcohol-related deaths, and his logic backs this up. In this post, he discusses the unintended secondary effects of a national policy, and how they're affecting students lives. He talks about responsibility, and making the best choices you can in the face of reality. His writing is clear and insightful, and it's obviously something that means a great deal to him. It's one of the best persuasive pieces I've read in a long time.

Here are two comments, one from a man, and one from a woman.
Care to guess which is which?

"Excellent post, and wise advice. As a college roommate, I can attest firsthand to most of your comments, and you have my gratitude for the work you (and a group of other alumni) have done in our fraternity to show the way. Our roles as adults in loco parentis are essential to move past this crisis. Organizations that promote this kind of internal oversight and that foster dialogue across the generations — by involving the older alumni — are key."

"Why are you so involved in your frat from college? It’s a bit creepy. Maybe you should spend less time thinking about your fraternity and misogynistic views (your other blog that was immediately pulled down), and more time working on improving your outlook towards women."


Now remember that in a democratic system, the author of that second comment's vote counts for every bit as much as yours. It's 10:00 AM on the pacific coast... is that too early to start drinking?


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - iop890 - 09-24-2014 12:08 PM

(09-24-2014 11:03 AM)vinman Wrote:  You guys under 30 have my sympathies. At 46 I look back on my early 20's and it was a great time to be alive. The things that you guys have to tolerate are so degrading that it makes me cringe. All I really had to worry about was getting into a fight with haters, or getting put in the drunk tank for being a drunken mope (boys will be boys). Today you guys have to worry about a future after a life altering incident. It seems everything boils down to risk management and litigation. How can you relax and unwind if your world makes you so paranoid? Fortunately I worked out the overwhelming majority of young male exuberance before computer data bases and the internet.

I get out all my partying in other countries. Then switch exclusively to day and online game and only get drunk around friends.

I stay as far away from drunk females as possible. The only time I'm ever around drinking females is when we're having a bottle of wine at my off-campus(this is important) apartment.

I also have a webcam pointing at my bed at all times which I can turn on from my laptop. Not completely sure that's legal though.

Semi-related: Picked up a bottle of Mead last week, possibly the perfect drink for girls. It's unique and interesting enough to help draw girls to your place, while also being sweet and mild enough for them to drink a lot of. I think I'll switch from Reisling to Mead for my girl drink from now on.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Sonsowey - 09-24-2014 12:32 PM

Filming girls without their consent is in and of itself illegal, but there have been several cases where videos of exactly that sort were permitted as evidence in court to get guys off of false rape accusations, so...


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Seth_Rose - 09-24-2014 12:57 PM

Universities are doing everything they can to neuter fraternities. Fraternities are currently one of the few bastions of masculinity in America, which of course stands in the way of the cultural marxists' endgame. Seeing as academia is a hotbed of liberalism and feminism, traditional fraternity lifestyle will likely be eradicated within the next decade or so.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Sp5 - 09-24-2014 01:53 PM

An absolutely true piece, and I wonder why it was taken off the site.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Sp5 - 09-24-2014 02:10 PM

(09-24-2014 12:32 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  Filming girls without their consent is in and of itself illegal, but there have been several cases where videos of exactly that sort were permitted as evidence in court to get guys off of false rape accusations, so...

It's kind of a gray area, at least in "one party consent" states, where a person recording his conversations and activities with another person is legal without the other person's consent. Some states require both parties to consent.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - samsamsam - 09-24-2014 02:13 PM

Quote:In our age of sexual equality, why drunk female students are almost never characterized as irresponsible jerks is a question I leave to the feminists.

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RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Dismal Operator - 09-24-2014 02:18 PM

Another scalp for the SJWs. Frezza been sacked as a contributor because of this, unbelievable:

Quote:"Mr. Frezza’s post was removed from Forbes.com almost immediately after he published it," Forbes spokesperson Mia Carbonell told the Daily News. "Mr. Frezza is no longer a contributor to Forbes.com."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/forbes-columnist-sacked-piece-drunk-female-guests-grave-threat-frats-writer-responds-article-1.1951124

(09-24-2014 01:53 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  An absolutely true piece, and I wonder why it was taken off the site.

Because he painted the fact that in these scenarios females generally aren't held responsible for their actions in a negative light.

You would think that feminists would be applauding this article, especially the bit where he specifically says not to take drunk girls to your room and to actively stop brothers from doing the same. On the surface it sounds like it would dovetail nicely with these recent 'If You See Something Do Something' calls to white knighting to combat the apparent rape crisis on campus. But Frezza didn't do it right. He didn't say not to take a drunk girl to your room because the second you were in private it's automatic rape and rape is bad. He said not to do it because you were voluntarily wandering into no-mans land, where no man really has a chance. That's a problem because it is effectively removing control of the situation from the woman. The feminists want it so that the woman can behave recklessly and then in the cold, sober light of day decide how much (if any) of the consequences she feels like accepting. If no-one is willing to entertain her in the first place, then she is fully responsible, and then the mental cost-benefit calculation regarding engaging in reckless activities changes drastically. All the freedom. None of the responsibility.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Switch - 09-24-2014 02:57 PM

We should all write to forbes and try to get them to re-instate Frezza. I wonder what his response will be.

And even though the guy already sounds pretty red-pill, getting removed as a contributor might push him over whatever edges he hasn't already gone over. Hell, let's get him on the forum

Edit:

From Jezebel's response to the article, one of the top comments

"This whole article is absurd in its fixation on drunk women, as if that has anything to do with the problem of sexual assualt on college campuses. It simply does not."

Mindblown

http://jezebel.com/frat-alumni-president-blames-drunk-female-guests-for-ru-1638524129/all

Read the comments section if you feel like a good dose of illogical hamstering.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - TravelerKai - 09-24-2014 03:01 PM

We cannot match number for number the SJWs and Tumblr tards out there. If the redpill 4chan guys and reddit guys joined in, then maybe....

Women have all businesses running scared these days. Look at the NFL. They are shaking in their boots. The NBA is starting investigations and no one has been beaten yet. They will always pick the safe bet and side with them, knowing damn well we will not quit watching and reading their shit.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - alexdagr81 - 09-24-2014 03:26 PM

(09-24-2014 02:57 PM)Switch Wrote:  We should all write to forbes and try to get them to re-instate Frezza. I wonder what his response will be.

And even though the guy already sounds pretty red-pill, getting removed as a contributor might push him over whatever edges he hasn't already gone over. Hell, let's get him on the forum

Edit:

From Jezebel's response to the article, one of the top comments

"This whole article is absurd in its fixation on drunk women, as if that has anything to do with the problem of sexual assualt on college campuses. It simply does not."

Mindblown

http://jezebel.com/frat-alumni-president-blames-drunk-female-guests-for-ru-1638524129/all

Read the comments section if you feel like a good dose of illogical hamstering.

from the same broad:

Quote:However, his reasoning behind his ideas is beyond fucked. Don't take a drunk woman into your bedroom because she might falsely accuse you of rape? Don't even let drunk women into your party because they have tempting boobs of satan designed to torture your pure soul?

Can we please step away from the "MEN CAN'T CONTROL THEIR WILD ERECTIONS SO IF THEY ASSAULT YOU IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT" theory? Guys. You aren't 3 month old puppy dogs. You can control your actions. I promise! Women aren't that powerful.

She started off kind of good, until she came with this ironically serious statement. God forbid she hold women to the same standards of self-control.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Kabal - 09-24-2014 08:05 PM

(09-24-2014 01:53 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  An absolutely true piece, and I wonder why it was taken off the site.

(09-24-2014 02:13 PM)samsamsam Wrote:  
Quote:In our age of sexual equality, why drunk female students are almost never characterized as irresponsible jerks is a question I leave to the feminists.

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RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Mentavious - 09-24-2014 08:22 PM

As I said in the other thread, females cannot handle alcohol at fraternity parties or any other social event. When given for free (which happens many times at fraternity parties) they completely lose control and become belligerently drunk. Having to pick up girls from floors, toilets, tap them out, having to look after them, call a can and make sure they get home is a every night event when a sorority comes over. These girls can't hold their liquor as they try to keep up with the boys so they end up puking everywhere. Not only that but the disrespect they show for the venue that they are invite to is downright pathetic.

As a former risk manager one of the largest fraternities in the U.S. I can't tell you how many times I've seen incidents of fines, suspensions, or reprimand from the university on fraternities due to the ratchetness these sorority girl exume. You can't let these girls get to drunk because if something happens to them (getting sick or passing out and hitting her head) then it's on you. These white knights are out for blood.

Don't even get me started on the looseness and drug use of these girls also. If you marry a former sorority girl from a southern school then I will be waiting for you in the courts with no sympathy.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - AnonymousBosch - 09-24-2014 08:25 PM

(09-24-2014 01:53 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  An absolutely true piece, and I wonder why it was taken off the site.

It's about men putting their own interests and future before that of a woman and her feeeeeelings.

The reaction is predictable. There is no pleasing a woman. Giving in to her demands is a waste of your time because she will always find a way to complain about getting exactly what she said she wanted.


RE: Forbes article: Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities - Kabal - 09-24-2014 08:27 PM

(09-24-2014 08:22 PM)Mentavious Wrote:  Don't even get me started on the looseness and drug use of these girls also. If you marry a former sorority girl from a southern school then I will be waiting for you in the courts with no sympathy.

I am a former fraternity member and I generally disagree on the sorority girl stereotype of being incredibly slutty and whatnot.

Sorority girls may be slightly sluttier than GDI's on average... but the sluttiest chicks and the biggest groupies were always GDI's.