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Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - vinman - 05-27-2016 11:22 AM

I actually enjoy her lectures and interviews.

Quote:(CNSNews.com)--Best-selling feminist author, social critic and self-described "transgender being" Camille Paglia said in an interview last month that the rise of transgenderism in the West is a symptom of decadence and cultural collapse.

“Nothing... better defines the decadence of the West to the jihadists than our toleration of open homosexuality and this transgender mania now,” Paglia said during an October 22 interview on the Brazilian television program Roda Viva.

Paglia also said during the interview that “transgender propagandists” are overstating their case.

“I think that the transgender propagandists make wildly inflated claims about the multiplicity of gender,” she said.

“Sex reassignment surgery, even today with all of its advances, cannot in fact change anyone’s sex, okay. You can define yourself as a trans man, or a trans woman, as one of these new gradations along the scale. But ultimately, every single cell in the human body, the DNA in that cell, remains coded for your biological birth.

“So there are a lot of lies being propagated at the present moment, which I think is not in anyone’s best interest.

"Now what I’m concerned about is the popularity and the availability of sex reassignment surgery, so that someone who doesn’t feel that he or she belongs to the biological birth, gender. People are being encouraged to intervene in the process.

"Parents are now encouraged to subject the child to procedures that I think are a form of child abuse. The hormones to slow puberty, actual surgical manipulations, etcetera. I think that this is wrong, that people should wait until they are of an informed age of consent.

“Parents should not be doing this to their children and I think that even in the teenage years is too soon to be making this leap. People change, people grow, and people adapt."

Paglia went on to talk about her book Sexual Personae and how the emergence of transgenderism signifies the end of Western culture. “Now I am concerned about this… In fact, my study of history in Sexual Personae, I’m always talking about the late phases of culture.

“I was always drawn to late or decadent phases of culture. Oscar Wilde is one of the great exponents of that in the late 19th century. He’s one of my strongest influences from my earliest years.

"And I found in my study that history is cyclic, and everywhere in the world you find this pattern in ancient times: that as a culture begins to decline, you have an efflorescence of transgender phenomena.That is a symptom of cultural collapse.

"So rather than people singing the praises of humanitarian liberalism that allows all of these transgender possibilities to appear and to be encouraged, I would be concerned about how Western culture is defining itself to the world.

"Because in fact these phenomena are inflaming the irrational, indeed borderline psychotic opponents of Western culture in the form of ISIS and other jihadists, etcetera," Paglia said.

"Nothing... better defines the deadence of the West to the jihadists than our toleration of open homosexuality and this transgender mania now."

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/sam-dorman/camille-paglia-transgender-mania-symptom-cultural-collapse


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - TheOllam - 05-27-2016 12:37 PM

(05-27-2016 11:22 AM)vinman Wrote:  I actually enjoy her lectures and interviews.

Paglia abhors what the 3rd wave has done, clearly observes the pitfalls of declining masculinity in our society. Hates Hillary, but Feels the Bern......


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - General Stalin - 05-27-2016 12:56 PM

Quote:"And I found in my study that history is cyclic, and everywhere in the world you find this pattern in ancient times: that as a culture begins to decline, you have an efflorescence of transgender phenomena.That is a symptom of cultural collapse.

Echoing our exact thoughts right here. It's just another text-book situation of history repeating itself. Great civilizations reach a sort of "peak degeneracy" before they fall - then it's back to grass roots and brass tax. Destroy, erase, rebuild, repeat.

I like the term "Transgendermania"

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RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - EDantes - 05-27-2016 06:22 PM

It's the result of the idolization of deviancy as an end unto itself, not much different than the philosophy of nihilism Marquis de Sade. Those who hate their selves seek to take revenge against "society" by actively destroying it on the most fundamental levels, with no other end than destruction as it's own reward. If the West continues to embrace it it will just take the path that Rome's collapse did under emperors like Caligula, and Tumblr feminists and "gender benders" certainly won't be able demand "acceptance" when they are face-to-face with modern barbarian hordes, rather than isolated from reality's cold, hard natural laws behind the confines of their internet safe space or "womyn's studies" class funded courtesy of taxpayers.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - All or Nothing - 05-27-2016 06:26 PM

If you look at the LGBTQ fight that seems to be never ending, it becomes increasingly obvious that this is just a way for the subset of the modern nobility to bully and admonish rural and poor people for being "inferior" to them.

It is only the elite in San Fransisco and New York that are leading this fight, and it is part of the reason why I have a certain kind of loathing for Silicon Valley and NYC for their ability to distort the culture of the United States in supremely counter productive ways.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - CleanSlate - 05-27-2016 06:32 PM

If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - EDantes - 05-27-2016 06:34 PM

(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.
More likely proof that it isn't a "biological construct" as activists claim.

I believe Asian diets are high in soy (estrogenic) and low in protein and saturated fat (testosterone producing).

Seems to be more proof that these things are the result of testosterone/estrogen imbalances and can therefore be corrected by natural means that don't involve genital mutilation.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Foolsgo1d - 05-27-2016 07:43 PM

(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Because Ladyboys get lots of ££$$ from degenerate males, mostly western males and others see it as a legitimate way of getting money for themselves and their families.

High end hookers get a lot of money.

Thailand was made the way it is because what it offers isn't openly accessible in a legal way over here.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - bigrich - 05-27-2016 11:49 PM

(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

I think its because transgenderism stands against the basic values that built modern Western Civilization. I can't speak for Asia but from what I have seen it seems to be at the periphery of society, the domain of thieves, prostitutes and drug addicts.

In the West, the existence of mentally ill people like transgenders is not new. What is new is how they are being treated by society. Before they were seen as both deviant and in need of help. Now, they are winning "women of the year" awards, staring in TV shows and being promoted by corporations and politicians. The promotion of these people is being used as a weapon against Christians, conservatives, people with traditional values, masculinity, femininity and the basic family structure.

If you take away the basic foundation of society, it should collapse. Humanism and moral relativity can not sustain a cohesive society. On the other hand, the people who are pushing for these basic changes to society are banking on technology.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Handsome Creepy Eel - 05-28-2016 06:47 AM

(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Because there it isn't glorified.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - rawbeefcake - 05-28-2016 07:25 AM

(05-28-2016 06:47 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Because there it isn't glorified.

Exactly. Even though trannies are around, there's still that healthy element of shame associated with living like that. It might be tolerated but no one is trying to play it off as normal...


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Liberty Sea - 05-28-2016 08:31 AM

(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Thailand does not represent Asia.
Can you point out an Asian country aside from Thailand in which transgenderism is rampant?

I'm Vietnamese. The casual attitude towards LGBT here is that of ridicule (usually not malicious in nature, though). Thai transgender industry is the butt of everyday jokes.

Old-fashioned masculinity is very much alive in Asia. The government's Marxist agenda doesn't affect it all that much.

(05-27-2016 06:34 PM)EDantes Wrote:  I believe Asian diets are high in soy (estrogenic)

That's incorrect. We do eat soy, more so than in the West, but even we don't eat them that much or that often. Only ultra-religious Buddhists eat them on a regular basis. Meat is a far more regular part of the diet than soy.
Testosterone level aside, there's no evidence that Asians in general are less cis-heterosexual than Westerners.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - CleanSlate - 05-29-2016 01:42 PM

(05-28-2016 08:31 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  
(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Thailand does not represent Asia.
Can you point out an Asian country aside from Thailand in which transgenderism is rampant?

Actually, yes I can. Philippines, Indonesia, and those are the ones I've actually been to. I was pointing out that transgenderism cannot be explained solely by Western cultural collapse, because it is also present, however fringe it may be, in at least a few southeast Asian countries. There has to be another explanation or a different contributing factor. But this does not in any way mean I am disputing your assertion that old-school masculinity is alive and well in Asia -- it's one reason I am moving there.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Aurini - 05-29-2016 05:49 PM

Glad she's speaking out on this, but I wonder if she's ready to admit that Feminism is also one of the signs of a collapsing civilization, with plenty of historical precedent?

One of the things I've noticed with younger, second-wave feminists (as opposed to the older initiators of the movement, most of whom are deceased by this point) is that they're all very accomplished, intelligent women, who certainly would have held important positions in society five-hundred years ago - but who are under the delusion that most women can be like them. That the reason that most girls are mindless airheads and cheerleaders is because of some fault of education, rather than natural female inclination.

In other words - they project their own mentality onto the whole of femininity, and this got them sucked into the lies of the founders of second wave Feminism, who were nothing but a bunch of rich, bored, and resentful housewives who wanted to complain.

And furthermore, as much as I like Mrs Paglia, I wonder if she's not part of the problem too? By becoming "Based Mom" she's allowed all of the males of GamerGate to hide behind her apron strings, instead of standing up to the SJWs and leading. They're still seeking out female approval from somebody like her ("See! She's a feminist! So I can't be a misogynist!"), instead of letting their balls drop and taking charge of the situation like they should.

Mrs Paglia is speaking the truth... but by doing so she enables the emasculation of all the males who follow her.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - WalterBlack - 05-29-2016 09:52 PM

(05-28-2016 08:31 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  Thailand does not represent Asia.
Can you point out an Asian country aside from Thailand in which transgenderism is rampant?

There's a lot of trannies in South Asian countries such as India, Pakistan, Nepal and Bangladesh. They live on the outskirts of society and are not considered normal in any way.

Hijra

Quote:Hijra ...is a term used in South Asia – in particular, in India – to refer to trans women (male-to-female transsexual or transgender individuals). In other areas of India, transgender people are also known as Aravani, Aruvani or Jagappa.

In Pakistan and Bangladesh, the hijras are officially recognized as third gender by the government, being neither completely male nor female. In India also, transgender people have been given the status of Third gender and are protected as per the law despite the social ostracism.

You'll see a couple of them in any town or city and they usually turn up whenever somebody has a kid or a wedding. Superstitious people pay them off to avoid getting cursed by them.

They don't look feminine like the SE Asian ladybodys, they look like clean shaven Indian men in dresses. I won't post any pictures here, but they tend to be pretty ugly.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - ElFlaco - 05-29-2016 10:58 PM

Aurini - You might be confusing Camille Paglia with her more civil colleague, Christina Hoff Sommers ('Based Mom' / GamerGate). Paglia has made a career of bashing 2nd- and 3rd-wave feminists and defending masculine values.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - kamoz - 05-30-2016 12:16 AM

My God, did you guys know about the whole parents letting their kids get chemical hormone therapy? I only recently found out about it. Also there's this story which got pretty popular:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/transgender-kids/jacobs-journey-life-transgender-5-year-old-n345131

When you see parents taking some random shit their children say,or picking up a Barbie doll, so literally that they encourage them to be the opposite sex - apparently in some cases to the point where they give them chemicals to alter their hormones during puberty - you can't help but say that the west is fucked.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Aurini - 05-30-2016 09:22 AM

(05-29-2016 10:58 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Aurini - You might be confusing Camille Paglia with her more civil colleague, Christina Hoff Sommers ('Based Mom' / GamerGate). Paglia has made a career of bashing 2nd- and 3rd-wave feminists and defending masculine values.

Huh

Damnit, I did. I was surprised to hear Mrs Sommers writing something like this.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Lizard King - 05-30-2016 01:21 PM

(05-29-2016 10:58 PM)ElFlaco Wrote:  Aurini - You might be confusing Camille Paglia with her more civil colleague, Christina Hoff Sommers ('Based Mom' / GamerGate). Paglia has made a career of bashing 2nd- and 3rd-wave feminists and defending masculine values.

If 'red-pill' is seeing and saying things honestly, not through filters of bullshit, then she's red-pill.

I believe she said that "we would still be living in mud huts, if it weren't for men". She recognises(it isn't difficult or challenging) that the building of civilisation was entirely the work of men.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - RBerkley - 05-30-2016 02:02 PM

(05-28-2016 06:47 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(05-27-2016 06:32 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  If transgenderism is a symptom of feminism and cultural collapse, then why do we see so many ladyboys and transgenders in Asia? I'm just curious.

Because there it isn't glorified.

True dat. Plus I haven't heard of Asian countries employing state-funded feminazi and LGBTQ teachers, childcare workers and other authority figures to groom children from young to become trannies from prepubescent age.

The tranny culture in Thailand appear to be a rush for money and fame..Ladyboys are just fulfilling a niche market for the gringos and foreigners when they vacation in Thailand.


RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - spacetime - 05-30-2016 03:07 PM

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RE: Paglia: ‘Transgender Mania’ is a Symptom of West's Cultural Collapse - Mekorig - 05-30-2016 03:27 PM

The face in the last panel.... XD