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Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - kbell - 05-31-2019 07:18 PM

12 dead, 6 injured. Sounds like a disgruntled employee.

https://pilotonline.com/news/government/local/article_777b737e-83e3-11e9-b1d0-dff7ad725d5e.html


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Atlanta Man - 05-31-2019 07:29 PM

I really hate this s#%t and I wish mass shooters would just kill themselves and save us all the trouble.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Thrill Jackson - 05-31-2019 07:45 PM

They need to stop making this national news. Stop glorifying this and it will stop happening.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Geomann180 - 05-31-2019 07:56 PM

I was just there yesterday. Glad I didn't stay long.

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RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - ShotgunUppercuts - 05-31-2019 09:15 PM

@thrill jackson. Its way deeper than that.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - ball dont lie - 05-31-2019 09:42 PM

Crazy employee situation getting back at their boss and mass shooter trying to kill random people are two different things.

Still a bad day though.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - stugatz - 05-31-2019 11:36 PM

Honestly - I don't know how antigunners are so blind to how this is a societal problem that isn't about access to guns.

In the 1940s and 1950s, far more Americans had firearms, and they were even in schools for shooting clubs! You saw almost no mass shootings back then. Sure, the QUANTITY of guns has gone up, but how many Americans own them percentagewise has gone far down.

It's just another chance for the lefties to get on their soapbox for a day.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - stugatz - 05-31-2019 11:38 PM

Also - I fail to see how this is going to be a longlasting story, as the shooter appears to be a black dude. They can't say he's white like with the Tsarnev brothers, or the kid who shot up Stoneman Douglas.

I'm having major problems consistently finding pictures of him. This story'll be dead by Sunday.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Leonard D Neubache - 06-01-2019 12:07 AM

(05-31-2019 11:36 PM)stugatz Wrote:  Honestly - I don't know how antigunners are so blind to how this is a societal problem that isn't about access to guns.

In the 1940s and 1950s, far more Americans had firearms, and they were even in schools for shooting clubs! You saw almost no mass shootings back then. Sure, the QUANTITY of guns has gone up, but how many Americans own them percentagewise has gone far down.

It's just another chance for the lefties to get on their soapbox for a day.

If the average Right winger understood the societal changes that would have to be fought for and won in order to get violence in America back under control then they'd either give up their guns or simply concede to suffering the violence.

Personally I've come to the conclusion that the Left might shamelessly use these events to push for disarmament as a back door to creeping tyranny but the Right is equally shameless in their gutless unwillingness to address the actual factors in play. The Right's rebuttals to calls for gun control amount to "it's not my fault, man, leave me alone." Pretty limp dicked.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - RustinCohle - 06-01-2019 12:12 AM

Go on Leonard tell us what to do.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Leonard D Neubache - 06-01-2019 12:16 AM

2017 account with 7 posts.

Okay. I'll give you a foolproof zero effort path forward when you get 50 rep over 2000 posts.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - ThriceLazarus - 06-01-2019 12:25 AM

This isn’t a societal trend, this is just what monkeys do. What we’ve always done. In fact, we as a species are doing magnificently better than we ever have before. 12 people. Out of 325,000,000+

If you look at the actual numbers, gun violence has plummeted over the last 40 years. The rates for firearm related deaths has hung around 30,000 a year since 1980. The population has shot up by 100,000,000 people in the same 40 years.

It seems tragic, and if you’re directly involved in the tragedy it is. But honestly, it’s nothing. Yeah, 12 people were shot and killed. 12 people also died from falling out of bed today.

Human beings just can’t comprehend how many fucking people there are.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Dirtyblueshirt - 06-01-2019 02:25 AM

If everything coming out now about the shooter is true - black, registered Democrat voter...

Then this story will disappear like a fart in the wind. There's a reason his name and picture aren't splashed across the major media sites.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Easy_C - 06-01-2019 03:58 PM

So no info yet.

The coulter rule is definitely going to pan out here.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - ball dont lie - 06-01-2019 04:25 PM

I saw one article and the guys name was definitely black.

The Nytimes cant run with this article.

Black guy using a hand gun kills people he knows at govt type job he got probably with a little affirmative action help.

No white guy. No AR15.

Likely many if the people killed were white. Who knows maybe the boss he snapped and murdered was white.

No anti-white angle. No story.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Thomas Jackson - 06-01-2019 04:34 PM

(06-01-2019 04:25 PM)ball dont lie Wrote:  I saw one article and the guys name was definitely black.

The Nytimes cant run with this article.

Black guy using a hand gun kills people he knows at govt type job he got probably with a little affirmative action help.

No white guy. No AR15.

Likely many if the people killed were white. Who knows maybe the boss he snapped and murdered was white.

No anti-white angle. No story.

No problem they will just ignore that and just pursue the gun control angle. Mag limits, additional background checks, registry, etc


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Days of Broken Arrows - 06-01-2019 06:06 PM

Here is what the media did this time to avoid showing a picture of a minority killer. Someone came up with an infographic that depicts the victims in a grid-like pattern (below).

This ran on the front page of the Washington Post online and I'm now seeing it on other sites, like the ones owned by news-oriented radio stations.

There is nothing wrong with honoring the victims. But there is a lot wrong with hiding the identity of the killer when photos of white killers like Dylan Roof were shown every day for months on end.

This graphic also strategically places all the minority victims top left, where a viewer's eye goes first, since that's how we read. My guess is they did this to downplay the black-on-white element of this crime. I worked in newsrooms and these thing don't happen by accident.

[Image: thumb-400.jpg]

When you search Google Images for a photo of the killer, DeWayne Craddock, you'll see several come up. The first one is from the site Heavy.com (link here). The next few are from sites I've never heard of. The next is from V-Dare, a conservative site. Try this for yourself. This is what comes up for me, whether I do the search with closed or open quotes.

People observing the difference in media coverage when it comes to white killers vs. minority ones aren't just imagining things or being racist. There really is a difference and we're seeing it now in real time.

The lack of Google Images of this guy means mainstream publications aren't running his photo. But could it be that the mainstream media is, in fact, running his pic and Google is hiding it? No. I did an image search with Dogpile.com (which compiles search engines) and even fewer photos of DeWayne Craddock came up.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - MichaelWitcoff - 06-01-2019 06:17 PM

(06-01-2019 06:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Here is what the media did this time to avoid showing a picture of a minority killer. Someone came up with an infographic that depicts the victims in a grid-like pattern (below).

This ran on the front page of the Washington Post online and I'm now seeing it on other sites, like the ones owned by news-oriented radio stations.

There is nothing wrong with honoring the victims. But there is a lot wrong with hiding the identity of the killer when photos of white killers like Dylan Roof were shown every day for months on end.

This graphic also strategically places all the minority victims top left, where a viewer's eye goes first, since that's how we read. My guess is they did this to downplay the black-on-white element of this crime. I worked in newsrooms and these thing don't happen by accident.

[Image: thumb-400.jpg]

When you search Google Images for a photo of the killer, DeWayne Craddock, you'll see several come up. The first one is from the site Heavy.com (link here). The next few are from sites I've never heard of. The next is from V-Dare, a conservative site. Try this for yourself. This is what comes up for me, whether I do the search with closed or open quotes.

People observing the difference in media coverage when it comes to white killers vs. minority ones aren't just imagining things or being racist. There really is a difference and we're seeing it now in real time.

The lack of Google Images of this guy means mainstream publications aren't running his photo. But could it be that the mainstream media is, in fact, running his pic and Google is hiding it? No. I did an image search with Dogpile.com (which compiles search engines) and even fewer photos of DeWayne Craddock came up.

The police and "journalists" work together all across the country (and increasingly, the world) to manipulate public opinion on the topic of race and violence. Colin Flaherty has been documenting it for a long time.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - 911 - 06-02-2019 01:42 PM

Pretty astute observation DOBA, esp about the ordering of the victim pics.

So apparently this DeWayne dude wasn't even fired? What was his motive? Middle class civil engineer, high-T buffed loner dude. Basic unhinged aggressiveness? Schizo paranoia amplified by drug use?


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - paninaro - 06-02-2019 09:59 PM

(06-01-2019 06:06 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Here is what the media did this time to avoid showing a picture of a minority killer. Someone came up with an infographic that depicts the victims in a grid-like pattern (below).

This ran on the front page of the Washington Post online and I'm now seeing it on other sites, like the ones owned by news-oriented radio stations.

This graphic also strategically places all the minority victims top left, where a viewer's eye goes first, since that's how we read. My guess is they did this to downplay the black-on-white element of this crime. I worked in newsrooms and these thing don't happen by accident.

The print edition of the Washington Post (Sunday) has a grid on the front page but the top row is:
White Guy, White Guy, White Guy, Black Woman

Then they have a "What we know about victims" link in a 6x2 grid and the top row is:

White Guy, White Guy, Black Guy, White Woman, White Guy, White Guy.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Malone - 06-03-2019 01:54 AM

Twelve kills with a pistol. That's pretty anomalous, really. Most of these shooters are pretty incompetent.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - RWIsrael - 06-03-2019 02:40 AM

(06-03-2019 01:54 AM)Malone Wrote:  Twelve kills with a pistol. That's pretty anomalous, really. Most of these shooters are pretty incompetent.

Do we know how he killed them? Not that hard even for a novice if everyone was just sitting there waiting to be executed.

Was there any resistance or attempts to escape?


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Foolsgo1d - 06-03-2019 06:18 AM

(06-01-2019 02:25 AM)Dirtyblueshirt Wrote:  If everything coming out now about the shooter is true - black, registered Democrat voter...

Then this story will disappear like a fart in the wind.

It already has. Nothing to see here.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Cumlluminates - 06-03-2019 07:05 AM

(06-02-2019 01:42 PM)911 Wrote:  Pretty astute observation DOBA, esp about the ordering of the victim pics.

So apparently this DeWayne dude wasn't even fired? What was his motive? Middle class civil engineer, high-T buffed loner dude. Basic unhinged aggressiveness? Schizo paranoia amplified by drug use?

Perhaps psychotropic drugs and or suffering from severe TDS after Mueller’s public statement on May 29. I doubt we'll ever know the real trigger.


RE: Virginia Beach Municipal Center Shooting. - Leonard D Neubache - 06-03-2019 08:17 AM

(06-03-2019 01:54 AM)Malone Wrote:  Twelve kills with a pistol. That's pretty anomalous, really. Most of these shooters are pretty incompetent.

There's pistols and then there's pistols. Ammo choice is also incredibly important.

I'm perpetually astounded by the number of Americans that own a gun but don't really understand the principles around what makes them effective.