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Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Lovinglife - 06-14-2019 08:35 PM

The Australian media clearly doesn't address the main issues!

[Image: NED-0752-Suicide-Statistics-For-Men_uCsD972jQ.jpg]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/mind/boys-are-growing-up-fast-but-lack-the-skills-to-cope-with-modern-challenges/news-story/f8081eeb4bf7dd8dc6f8bc9657abe032

Half of all male suicides are due to going through the divorce courts!
http://www.australianmensrights.com/Men_Suicide_Statistics_Australia/Australian_Father_Suicide_Victim_Hounded_Over_Child_Support-Canberra_Times_15NOV2000.aspx


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Speculation - 06-14-2019 08:53 PM

Yeah no one cares here. All resources are directed towards women's issues.

Logically you'd think that preventing death would be more important than the false pay gay and manspreading, but you wouldn't know it according to Australian media.

If it was women or children you can be sure society would drop everything to resolve this, but if you bring up male suicide you get 'yeah but women attempt it more'.

The hypocrisy in tackling issues like this (or not) depending on which gender is the recipient of the help was one of the first things that made me realise feminism was a joke back in the day.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - N°6 - 06-15-2019 12:16 AM

If a man tries to reach out, he’ll be called a whiner but if he bottles things up, “toxic masculinity” will be blamed.

The bottom line is that women are more important. Not because of the short reproductive window they have but it’s because they are the insatiable consumers of usury based post industrial nations.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - MusicForThePiano - 06-15-2019 02:09 AM

This is a side effect, perhaps intended, by the (((clevers))). When one's culture, history, women, faith, and all merits to keep living and keep struggling in life are uprooted and destroyed, the purpose of life seems void. I can guarantee you that this is why only white males commit suicide at the highest rate. Many have not kept their spirits up and are backed into a corner with no way out except ending their life.

The antidote, is to consume a purpose in life, and not let the rules shape your destiny. Although, despite everything, from the ones I knew who offed themselves in old age, not just the young males are in danger of this, but if you never have a family, the chances of you killing yourself when it gets too hard to continue are much greater. A family, God, and a passion to create, no matter what the subject is, will keep you alive until the end of your days.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - The Usual Suspect - 06-15-2019 02:46 AM

I’m not surprised, a lot of guys end up destroyed by a cheating spouse as men are the true romantics, and the woman just turns cold - once their attraction is gone that’s it, you become a doormat in their eyes

A lot of blokes find it very difficult to deal with especially if children are involved, it’s not long before a guy moves out out the house because it’s become too toxic for the kids to see, and then she’ll start using access to the kids to manipulate

It’s all stacked in their favour. Society always believes the woman’s sob story, and men are supposedly stronger so it’s ok


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Dr. Howard - 06-15-2019 04:01 AM

cross posting on the prayer thread as well. The ripple effects of suicide are also terrible, I remember a number of kids and teenagers growing up that were a permanent mess after family suicides.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - CynicalContrarian - 06-15-2019 05:30 AM

There's the idea that Aus. men are strong.

Physically perhaps. Yet many are not strong mentally.

Every 2nd cop & soldier being diagnosed with PTSD is indicative of that...


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Rorogue - 06-15-2019 05:40 AM

(06-15-2019 05:30 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  There's the idea that Aus. men are strong.

Physically perhaps. Yet many are not strong mentally.

Every 2nd cop & soldier being diagnosed with PTSD is indicative of that...

The problem I see with Australia in the future (and now) is that it is a country almost entirely built on the physical.

At least America was built on God and religion- and now you see a lot of Americans returning to Christianity.

Australia was never built upon religion. It was built on people doing hard labor, and exerting themselves in the physical world.

Problem is, the physical boundaries are getting smaller for men. They are being told by the powers that be (leftists and feminists), that they must have less and be able to do less in the physical world.

As there is no spiritual outlet in the culture to turn to, this has hit men hard.

You see addiction on the rise in things like gambling and drugs. Australian men are trying to get pleasure in the physical world by some means.

I really do worry for the mental health of men in Australia. I think it is going to be ugly in the next 10 or so years.

Buddhism is a philosophy that would be of great benefit to the culture. I went to a few Buddhist meditation classes last year and they were filled with all white people (except me). Would be good if it caught on.

If they can take something from the big eastern/Asian presence, they should take that.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - N°6 - 06-15-2019 06:02 AM

This isn’t confined to Australians. Suicide is a spiritual disease which is spreading through the Anglosphere.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - CynicalContrarian - 06-15-2019 06:10 AM

(06-15-2019 05:40 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  The problem I see with Australia ... should take that.


Yep.
No real identity.
No real culture.
No real purpose.

"Just placate yourselves with beer, boobs & balls (sport), ya' blumin' NPC!
But best you be prepared to die for us en-masse!"


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Sooth - 06-15-2019 06:26 AM

Yep, I lost a young acquaintance just the other day after his partner split up, got the police involved and took his kid. He had a support network of like minded guys he could have opened up to, but for what ever reason didn't even try.

The usual people who concern themselves with the injustices in the world do not care for this issue one iota.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Dr. Howard - 06-15-2019 08:30 AM

(06-15-2019 06:26 AM)Sooth Wrote:  Yep, I lost a young acquaintance just the other day after his partner split up, got the police involved and took his kid. He had a support network of like minded guys he could have opened up to, but for what ever reason didn't even try.

The usual people who concern themselves with the injustices in the world do not care for this issue one iota.

Its a brutal experience. Its like swimming in an ocean and not being able to see the shore. Having people come along and say "keep swimming, you can see land in just another few miles, I've been there"

Unless its someone you really trust, you'll tell them that they are crazy, there isn't a shore, might as well just quit now and sink under the waves.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - The Catalyst - 06-15-2019 09:24 AM

I've said it before but it's not good for your mental health to be in Australia or New Zealand. Although materially you're quite well off(in Australia anyway) there's so much cultural/spiritual rot.

Of course you cannot make Aussies or Kiwis see sense. The only thing is to try to leave and make it elsewhere. Or if you have roots/children try to insulate yourself from the toxic culture. Believe me, I've tried bringing up issues to try to solve them but no one really cares. You have the SJWs/IYIs/NPCs virtue signalling while everything collapses and everyone else is apathetic.

Go on one of the Auckland/Victoria/Otago university "confession" Facebook pages. It's fucking shocking how many posts are admitting they have no friends and are struggling to. That's because that is not how Aussie and Kiwi culture is designed. You then have a bunch of people commenting "hang out with me" in the comments because they feel bad for the OP or whatever. My guess is (from experience/reading people) the commenters mostly aren't genuinely helpful over the long haul. I am unsure if it is because they are fundamentally dishonest or they are genuinely trying to help but don't realise that they are incapable of the give and take of a friendship, especially to a friendless person with possible issues of their own.

I have shown foreigners links to some of these posts, they are shocked/horrified. Because in most places overseas if you are in that situation where you have no friends you're a genuine loser or seriously anti-social. But in NZ surprisingly normal people are in a situation where they have no friends...

If you say this though, then you'll get a bunch of people parroting the same thing about how you need to try harder and if it gets to the point they feel you're "complaining" or "whining", they'll just lash out at you ("NZ is great, Kiwis are friendly, if you don't have friends have you considered that it's you who's the problem" -ignoring the fact that many other people have the same problem....).

Edit: Backing it up, NZ has the highest youth suicide rate in any OECD country


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Dr. Howard - 06-15-2019 10:22 AM

(06-15-2019 09:24 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I've said it before but it's not good for your mental health to be in Australia or New Zealand. Although materially you're quite well off(in Australia anyway) there's so much cultural/spiritual rot.

Of course you cannot make Aussies or Kiwis see sense. The only thing is to try to leave and make it elsewhere. Or if you have roots/children try to insulate yourself from the toxic culture. Believe me, I've tried bringing up issues to try to solve them but no one really cares. You have the SJWs/IYIs/NPCs virtue signalling while everything collapses and everyone else is apathetic.

Go on one of the Auckland/Victoria/Otago university "confession" Facebook pages. It's fucking shocking how many posts are admitting they have no friends and are struggling to. That's because that is not how Aussie and Kiwi culture is designed. You then have a bunch of people commenting "hang out with me" in the comments because they feel bad for the OP or whatever. My guess is (from experience/reading people) the commenters mostly aren't genuinely helpful over the long haul. I am unsure if it is because they are fundamentally dishonest or they are genuinely trying to help but don't realise that they are incapable of the give and take of a friendship, especially to a friendless person with possible issues of their own.

I have shown foreigners links to some of these posts, they are shocked/horrified. Because in most places overseas if you are in that situation where you have no friends you're a genuine loser or seriously anti-social. But in NZ surprisingly normal people are in a situation where they have no friends...

If you say this though, then you'll get a bunch of people parroting the same thing about how you need to try harder and if it gets to the point they feel you're "complaining" or "whining", they'll just lash out at you ("NZ is great, Kiwis are friendly, if you don't have friends have you considered that it's you who's the problem" -ignoring the fact that many other people have the same problem....).

Edit: Backing it up, NZ has the highest youth suicide rate in any OECD country

^ Could this also be the reason that the Hillsong Church is so large in its home of Australia. Its not my kind of Church, but could be the spiritual division of soul killing culture be pushing so many people into its doors?


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - MrLemon - 06-15-2019 01:17 PM

(06-15-2019 10:22 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 09:24 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I've said it before but it's not good for your mental health to be in Australia or New Zealand. Although materially you're quite well off(in Australia anyway) there's so much cultural/spiritual rot.

Of course you cannot make Aussies or Kiwis see sense. The only thing is to try to leave and make it elsewhere. Or if you have roots/children try to insulate yourself from the toxic culture. Believe me, I've tried bringing up issues to try to solve them but no one really cares. You have the SJWs/IYIs/NPCs virtue signalling while everything collapses and everyone else is apathetic.

Go on one of the Auckland/Victoria/Otago university "confession" Facebook pages. It's fucking shocking how many posts are admitting they have no friends and are struggling to. That's because that is not how Aussie and Kiwi culture is designed. You then have a bunch of people commenting "hang out with me" in the comments because they feel bad for the OP or whatever. My guess is (from experience/reading people) the commenters mostly aren't genuinely helpful over the long haul. I am unsure if it is because they are fundamentally dishonest or they are genuinely trying to help but don't realise that they are incapable of the give and take of a friendship, especially to a friendless person with possible issues of their own.

I have shown foreigners links to some of these posts, they are shocked/horrified. Because in most places overseas if you are in that situation where you have no friends you're a genuine loser or seriously anti-social. But in NZ surprisingly normal people are in a situation where they have no friends...

If you say this though, then you'll get a bunch of people parroting the same thing about how you need to try harder and if it gets to the point they feel you're "complaining" or "whining", they'll just lash out at you ("NZ is great, Kiwis are friendly, if you don't have friends have you considered that it's you who's the problem" -ignoring the fact that many other people have the same problem....).

Edit: Backing it up, NZ has the highest youth suicide rate in any OECD country

^ Could this also be the reason that the Hillsong Church is so large in its home of Australia. Its not my kind of Church, but could be the spiritual division of soul killing culture be pushing so many people into its doors?

Once you have an uptrend in male suicide, you are immediately sure to see an uptrend in murder and mass shootings. It doesn't take a huge increase to create massive social instability.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - The Catalyst - 06-15-2019 02:02 PM

Hillsong definitely fills a void in the culture here I feel.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - bucky - 06-15-2019 03:14 PM

(06-15-2019 05:40 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 05:30 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  There's the idea that Aus. men are strong.

Physically perhaps. Yet many are not strong mentally.

Every 2nd cop & soldier being diagnosed with PTSD is indicative of that...

The problem I see with Australia in the future (and now) is that it is a country almost entirely built on the physical.

At least America was built on God and religion- and now you see a lot of Americans returning to Christianity.

Australia was never built upon religion. It was built on people doing hard labor, and exerting themselves in the physical world.

Problem is, the physical boundaries are getting smaller for men. They are being told by the powers that be (leftists and feminists), that they must have less and be able to do less in the physical world.

As there is no spiritual outlet in the culture to turn to, this has hit men hard.

You see addiction on the rise in things like gambling and drugs. Australian men are trying to get pleasure in the physical world by some means.

I really do worry for the mental health of men in Australia. I think it is going to be ugly in the next 10 or so years.

Buddhism is a philosophy that would be of great benefit to the culture. I went to a few Buddhist meditation classes last year and they were filled with all white people (except me). Would be good if it caught on.

If they can take something from the big eastern/Asian presence, they should take that.

Interesting take. I've long thought of Australia as mostly like the US, just that most every problem here (in the US) is even worse there. Hadn't made the connection between America's Christian roots and Australia's lack thereof.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - The Catalyst - 06-15-2019 03:56 PM

Godlessness of Aussie and Kiwi culture is big. It's also bad in socialist Europe. I'm agnostic but I can't imagine living in most godless countries. Fucking spiritually and morally dead =/.

Europe is generally nice for other reasons though(has some redeeming qualities).


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Rigsby - 06-15-2019 03:59 PM

Catalyst, it's a shame you didn't want to take me up on the offer of having a quick chat on the phone. I believe I have some good advice and info for you. But it's ok. It seems many people are reluctant to give out phone numbers and speak in person. I'm amazed anyone meets up in real life, to be frank. I must have made quite a bad impression on y'all.

You see, when it comes to mental health issues and being so far gone that the only way out you see is doing yourself in, well, let's just say an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. You want to nip that shit in the bud before it gets to that stage. Because, believe me, 'talking to someone' is not a viable solution in late-stage suicidal ideation.

Now I'm not saying you are going to become suicidal Catalyst, but there's a few worrying things that I think could be quite easily ironed out, and maybe you could get that ounce of prevention before you need the pound of cure. I speak from experience and with a certain amount of authority - as much as anyone has with regard to this stuff. The door's still open... (though my phone is cut off right now).

So, do I have as much authority as a mental health professional? Define 'professional'. I don't pretend to be one. All the best 'therapists' I know make it quite clear they are not 'professional' or 'qualified'. Of course, some are total charlatans and on the game. There's a good return in preying on vulnerable women having 'nervous breakdowns'. These people will always exist. Use due dilligence whenever letting people in to the darkest recesses of your mind/soul/being.

I'd say the biggest quality needed is that you really have to have been there, man. Some middle-class chick with a sub-degree in 'counselling' is not going to cut it. Very often, as a man, you don't want a woman anyway, whether you realise it or not. Women don't care about you. They don't care about healing you. In fact, the whole field of 'professional' psychs (psychologists, psychiatrists, psychotherapists etc.) is full of quacks, qualified or not. And I have the highest respect for the field, believe it or not.

The whole field of mental health needs to be totally culled and destroyed. Burned to the ground with extreme prejudice. Anyone practicing today in that field is part of the problem and not the cure and they know it. Sure, budget cuts, sure limited resources, blah blah blah...

Mental health is not fit for purpose, whether in Australia or the UK. Or America. It's just a filtration system for that old adage of 'mad, bad, or sad'.

You know how it goes when the two psychs get together for coffee break and discuss their morning patients:

"So, mad, bad or sad?"

Just about every single mental health patient can be broken down in to one of these categories and one category only. You can't have two.

You are either 'mad', 'bad' or 'sad'. Let me explain.

Mad: Psychotic, breaks with reality, hearing voices, seeing visions (not substance abuse withdrawal related), ideas of reference, loose association. May not be dangerous, but may very well be.

Bad: History of violent behaviour and poor impulse control. Past behaviour is the best predictor of future behaviour. People with APD (anti-social personality disorder) will usually have been incarcerated from early adulthood, if not sooner. Lack of empathy for others - those that rape and murder. Even those that steal off the elderly. Those that commit fraud that has very real life consequences for their victims (taking life savings). Dangerous by nature, can not really be rehabilitated to any meaningful extent.

Sad: These are the people Jordan Peterson talks about sometimes - those that have faced several catastrophies in a row. It might start with the death of a loved pet, or a close relative. Then there may be a job loss or a divorce (or both), then there may be a natural catastrophe that happens after these more common Major Life Events - a tornado, a flood, a hurricane, a landslide - these things do happen to real people in large amounts, but they are not newsworthy and so not on our radar - they happen to 'other' people, and when they happen to 'you', you realise this world and the people in it care very little about each other.

The 'sad' category is probably the most common of the three in the trifecta that the psychs have in the coffee lounge.

'Sad' people tend to be the biggest users of alcohol and illegal drugs, not to mention legal drugs. Some just overdose without actually being 'suicidal' as such. Some drink themselves to death knowing the end will come soon, but hey, it's not so easy putting a rope around your neck and kicking the chair away, is it? Don't answer that question unless you've ever stood on a chair with a rope around your neck, and looked in to the abyss, only for it to end up looking in to you.

But 'sad' people have the best prognosis of the three for meaningful recovery. You can't do a lot with 'mad' except maybe medicate, or find the underlying causes (such as a rare brain tumour), and 'bad' people, if they aren't born that way, are made that way, and by adulthood there is a great likelihood of recidivism if they have ever been locked up for their crimes against society/people.

But never say never, rehabilitation is a noble cause. And a necessary one. It's a shame it's never been seriously attempted. Not on a grand scale anyway. We'll get on to prison reform later if you are interested (and still awake).

But pain and grievances are relative. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greed_versus_grievance


Another problem with 'sad' people is that they are painfully aware. Some might call it hypervigilance. But that's a slightly different thing. Though it's common with people with PTSD and C-PTSD.

Soldiers coming back from active duty in war zones that have PTSD are neither mad nor bad. So they must be sad. I generalise.

Some might have breaks with reality but most do not. Some might have been psychopaths from the time they enlisted, but those won't tend to get PTSD.

Then they come back to a country that calls them 'baby-killers' and they aren't able to relate to most people on civvy street anyway. Thankfully they do get quite good help from the services themselves, but unfortunately, due to the culture in the armed forces of 'suck it up buttercup' and 'real men don't cry', they are less likely to make use of that help. Though some do. It's a myth that these men don't seek help. They do. Just in not such great relative numbers.

A lot of the real problems start when they do try to get that help. Sure, some lucky ones get sorted out, but many do not. Their problems are often exacerbated by badly chosen drug regimes and poor, incompetent therapists. If they are a handful to start with they can end up getting in to serious trouble. Drink, drugs, violence. Suicide.

I came across one such Australian. Ex-forces, Afghanistan IIRC. He was a fucking wreck. Serious alcoholic. Absolutely raging off his nut.

We found each other on another forum, and he knew I was not a 'professional'. He'd seen some posts I'd put up and PM'd me. We chatted a bit on the phone, and thankfully the difference in time zones meant that when he was off his head drunk in the evening, I was pretty sober in the morning. Would have been much better to be as much off my nut as he was though. He had just about lost the plot.

He'd been through all the 'mental health' teams. But not only did they not help him with what was ailing him, they just about pushed him over the edge. By the end of it, it wasn't the things he had seen in Afghanistan, but the way he had been treated by these 'professionals' that was really getting him to tip over the edge. They could offer him nothing in the way of real world support. Nothing that meant anything to him. They had failed him. Worse. They had hindered him. Kicked him when he was down.

All I could do was humour him. I've been there.

Usually when people from the forces seek help they will only seek it from others that have served. I have never served.

But he was so far gone, none of this mattered to him. He was looking for someone that had been out to 'that edge'. That standing on the chair with the rope around your neck, ready to just kick your life away in one last big paroxysm.

I never heard from him again. I have no idea if he lived or died. If he was one of the ones that found his own way out of the maze, or one that was just added to the statistics. He just dropped off the forum and never posted again. I think he got banned actually by the admins.

In common, he never talked about his experiences. But he was ready to rage on about the treatment he got from 'mental health'. I think it might have involved complications to do with his alcoholism. It's an old saw. They are always happy to use that against you. They talk a good fight, but they don't walk it the way they talk it. People who are alcohol dependent don't need someone to talk to, they just don't need their fucking benefits stopped. I'm putting the other side of the argument here - the one you don't usually hear. I'm being an advocate.

Of course this was a difficult guy to treat. All kinds of things come in to play. But I still believe he was failed by the very people that were supposed to be helping him. The fact he ended up talking on the phone to some random dude like me on the other side of the planet shows his desperation. I could not make head nor tail of his long rambling PM's to me. So I just gave him my phone number.

I've talked with people like him from all over the world, it's not just Australia or the UK. America is messed up too. In fact, they seem more polarised again with those that seek help and those that just try to work it out for themselves.

Which ones go off the deep end?

Hard to say. Sometimes it's the ones that try to work it out for themselves, but can't. Sometimes it's the ones that seek help and realise they are wasting their time, or get pushed over that edge by incompetent therapists and 'professionals'.

By the time I get to speak to these people, I always ask: have you sought professional help? Most of the time they have. They say it either was a total waste of time or made their condition worse. You get to build up a picture after a while.

But again, this is no better than a straw poll on my part. I'm not a professional. I just sometimes try to help to pick up the pieces.

There aren't much men left to talk to. If you call the Samraritans in the UK you will be put through to a female 90 percent of the time. Men don't work for them any more. Pushed out by fucking SJW *****. Yeah, I just called the people who give their time for free to stop people killing themselves '*****'. I wonder how many they have pushed over the edge.

Everyone says 'seek professinal help' - 'call the Samaritans' as if it is some kind of law. It is not. If you are a man reading this right now, in the UK at least, I will tell you this: Yes, call the Samaritans. Yes, call your local mental health team. But... just be prepared to be put through to a purple haired harpie with an axe to grind, or some gay faggot nurse that just wants to go back to goofing off and is super pissed off that you woke him up at 4am in the morning.

Half the time you call to try to speak to people you can't get through and the receptionists sound as if they are drugged out on benzos. The fact they never learned to speak the English language is also a slight drawback.

But you might get the good ones. You don't know unless you try. There are a lot of very caring and competent people in the mental health services, but they are outnumbered by journeymen and frauds. The chances of getting to speak to a heterosexual are not in your favour.

I spoke to one very nice lady at the Samaritans. I ended up doing therapy for her. She totally related to my problems of being fucked over by the system, and told me how the very same things drove her very own daughter to suicide. It was heartbreaking. This was why she did the job.

She wanted to make out that it was to help other people, but really it was for her to get the help she had otherwise been denied by wider society as a whole. In a way it brought me back from the edge. How could I let this poor lost soul suffer so much. I needed to let her know the thought processes her daughter would have gone through, that it wasn't an act of cowardice at the end of the day, but a rare act of bravery, albeit one from a very distorted mind. I like to think I gave her some peace.

So I've seen it from both sides. I talk from experience, as I say. Sorry if that is shocking to some of you. To mine own self I am true.

There is no forum to talk about this. So we end up chatting about it here. I could say much more with regard to suicide hotlines and army officers. But I think that's enough for now.

As usual, anyone can hit me up via PM. I'm not a 'professional'.

I might even get my phone reconnected in the next week or two...


[take all this with a pinch of salt and don't take me seriously in any way shape or form. i'm a modern futurist thinker that is happy to transgress modern social mores and moral boundaries in the vain hope of exacting some change in this shitty system of ours. love rules my heart. always. even if hate and anger rule my head. sometimes.]


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Syberpunk - 06-15-2019 04:54 PM

If only they had held on just a little longer.....

They would have finally seen buttsex in Botswana.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Greyman - 06-15-2019 05:45 PM

[quote='Rigsby' pid='1991998' dateline='1560632374']
Catalyst, it's a shame you didn't want to take me up on the offer of having a quick chat....

Now that's a post.

Truth time. I come here bc this place offers more truths in 3 minutes than any other place in the meat space or cyber. Even to include my VA therapist. Now don't get me wrong, I like her. Do Respect her. Have a genuine affinity for her due to one over-riding issue of mine that changed my lifes' military course that we connect on....

However. I asked her a question and its been months since I've seen her as I think I pissed her off. Now she's been instrumental in getting me my disability rating and for 2 yrs have off and on been seeing her. (I waited 10yrs before even going into the VA to seek help fyi).

But didn't really approve of my relationship that I had with a woman now over (40's man with early 20's woman), has some pretty undisclosed but possible biases that tho to her credit she's never let slip that they may influence her treatments, I'm unsettled lately.

I asked my shrink, a gay black woman that holds possible view points that may be 180* from my objectives given the social climate that frowns on shit like my relationship above...As a straight generally conservative/libertarian white male in this day and age, can you help me?

I/we are located in the epi-center of a THE State and City of liberal (mind) controlled craziness. I think you all can guess my fears. But none the less wanted to give it a chance and asked,
"... can you be objective in your treatment of me going forward with my desires and needs and and see what Truth I'm trying to garner in my life?" (family with a younger woman, settle the abuse from parents that I no longer as of recently talk to, actions I did overseas that now I regret being used as a tool of the oligarchy we have here now...)

I think I have my answer.

So writing this is cathartic more than relevant I guess. I didn't get out of bed for the month of May...broken back plus depression does that to me. I'm one of those dudes that is slowly expiring out of loneliness due to lack of immediate family, waited too long for a wife, kids and a community to be connected to. Yea i know its on me to pick myself up by the ol' boot straps and such....attitude is everything i kno i kno...

Rigsby...talking about how he... as well as I'm sure a bunch of you guys out there who have helped each other out unheralded as well....given solace and an ear to PTSD dudes like myself from possibly doing bad stuff ....is appreciated and necessary.

Keep it up, pass it on, and maybe don't be afraid of PMing someone if you need help or can offer help. Alphabet letter asshats watching this forum aside, good men need to find each other. I'm available to talk as well. That's hard for me to say and put out there but...be the change and shit right?


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Johnnyvee - 06-15-2019 06:57 PM

Not that it`s any consolation to me, but (increasingly) western women that buy into the big food and big pharma crap are suffering and dying from anything from cancer and autoimmune issues. As well as a whole host of other maladies. Women ultimately will suffer more than men, both on the somatic and "mental" side of things, as a consequence of feminism/body positivity agenda etc.

Men to a greater extent than women have the ability to think autonomously and hence have the option of escaping the propaganda and attaining better health/longevity, and to also find meaning in life by other means than just sex and relationships. Women totally lack the latter ability at least. They are slaves of the mainstream conformist dogma, which will end up hurting them tremendously. I believe (and it makes me very sad) that for every male suicide in the developed world, there will be many more women suffering both physically and mentally/neurologically.

The last thing we need is for the Government to get involved in men`s mental health. (more than they already are) We know that will boil down to more drugs and crappy foods. We just need to be given some real freedom, and we can resolve our own issues. Find a good local butcher, and eat some grass-fed red meat on a daily basis. That will do you a lot more good than some crappy carbs and SSRI`s.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - bucky - 06-15-2019 07:51 PM

(06-15-2019 06:57 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  Not that it`s any consolation to me, but (increasingly) western women that buy into the big food and big pharma crap are suffering and dying from anything from cancer and autoimmune issues. As well as a whole host of other maladies. Women ultimately will suffer more than men, both on the somatic and "mental" side of things, as a consequence of feminism/body positivity agenda etc.

Men to a greater extent than women have the ability to think autonomously and hence have the option of escaping the propaganda and attaining better health/longevity, and to also find meaning in life by other means than just sex and relationships. Women totally lack the latter ability at least. They are slaves of the mainstream conformist dogma, which will end up hurting them tremendously. I believe (and it makes me very sad) that for every male suicide in the developed world, there will be many more women suffering both physically and mentally/neurologically.

The last thing we need is for the Government to get involved in men`s mental health. (more than they already are) We know that will boil down to more drugs and crappy foods. We just need to be given some real freedom, and we can resolve our own issues. Find a good local butcher, and eat some grass-fed red meat on a daily basis. That will do you a lot more good than some crappy carbs and SSRI`s.

Way back in high school psychology class they told us that while women attempt suicide 10x more often than men, men are successful 10x more often than women. Women's attempts are more cries for help that involve lightly cutting the wrists, whereas men mean business and use the business end of a shotgun.


RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - Sgt Donger - 06-15-2019 08:28 PM

(06-15-2019 07:51 PM)bucky Wrote:  men mean business and use the business end of a shotgun.

Yep, a shotgun blast to the head is the most effective and painless way to do it. Explosives look good too.

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RE: Leading cause of death for Australian men 15-44 is suicide - bucky - 06-15-2019 09:06 PM

(06-15-2019 08:28 PM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  
(06-15-2019 07:51 PM)bucky Wrote:  men mean business and use the business end of a shotgun.

Yep, a shotgun blast to the head is the most effective and painless way to do it. Explosives look good too.

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Although I don't even like those 99% odds. Goes along with what I've read that it's not as uncommon as people think to survive an attempted suicide with a firearm. Then you're no better off and maimed for life. Another reason not to do it and try to figure out some way to work through your problems.