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RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - JimBobsCooters - 11-21-2019 07:01 AM

(11-21-2019 01:09 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  If the prince wasn’t guilty, he wouldn’t have bowed out of public life. The monarchy knows of his proclivities and realized this was their best option.

As for these degenerates and why they wouldn’t just procure young girls from places where it’s legal, the answer is simple. It’s about having that which is off limits. It’s about taking something without consent. It’s about validating your elite status by engaging in these acts because you can get away with it.

It's also not how the law works.

International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

So if you're in a country like say Philippines where the age of consent is 12 and you're from California where it is 18, then even in the Philippines the age of consent for you is 18 and vice versa.

This is why this "industry" exists, the law prohibits the sex tourism option and thus the trafficking option becomes viable for those seeking it. Especially those with money and power.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Cuchulainn2016 - 11-21-2019 07:53 AM

(11-21-2019 07:01 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 01:09 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  If the prince wasn’t guilty, he wouldn’t have bowed out of public life. The monarchy knows of his proclivities and realized this was their best option.

As for these degenerates and why they wouldn’t just procure young girls from places where it’s legal, the answer is simple. It’s about having that which is off limits. It’s about taking something without consent. It’s about validating your elite status by engaging in these acts because you can get away with it.

It's also not how the law works.

International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

So if you're in a country like say Philippines where the age of consent is 12 and you're from California where it is 18, then even in the Philippines the age of consent for you is 18 and vice versa.

This is why this "industry" exists, the law prohibits the sex tourism option and thus the trafficking option becomes viable for those seeking it. Especially those with money and power.

So, Prince Andrew is from the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and the accuser stated the sex happened in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and she was 17..... so where is the crime?


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 11-21-2019 08:09 AM

Deviating wildly against social standards doesn't necessarily involve breaking the law.

What, you think that Andrew could just say "yeah, I had sex with a teenage girl in an alleged pedophile sex trafficker's house, but it wasn't technically illegal so suck eggs"? In this political climate?

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RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Tail Gunner - 11-21-2019 11:45 AM

(11-21-2019 07:53 AM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 07:01 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 01:09 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  If the prince wasn’t guilty, he wouldn’t have bowed out of public life. The monarchy knows of his proclivities and realized this was their best option.

As for these degenerates and why they wouldn’t just procure young girls from places where it’s legal, the answer is simple. It’s about having that which is off limits. It’s about taking something without consent. It’s about validating your elite status by engaging in these acts because you can get away with it.

It's also not how the law works.

International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

So if you're in a country like say Philippines where the age of consent is 12 and you're from California where it is 18, then even in the Philippines the age of consent for you is 18 and vice versa.

This is why this "industry" exists, the law prohibits the sex tourism option and thus the trafficking option becomes viable for those seeking it. Especially those with money and power.

So, Prince Andrew is from the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and the accuser stated the sex happened in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and she was 17..... so where is the crime?

The crime is called human trafficking. Age is irrelevant.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - JimBobsCooters - 11-21-2019 02:22 PM

(11-21-2019 07:53 AM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 07:01 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 01:09 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  If the prince wasn’t guilty, he wouldn’t have bowed out of public life. The monarchy knows of his proclivities and realized this was their best option.

As for these degenerates and why they wouldn’t just procure young girls from places where it’s legal, the answer is simple. It’s about having that which is off limits. It’s about taking something without consent. It’s about validating your elite status by engaging in these acts because you can get away with it.

It's also not how the law works.

International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

So if you're in a country like say Philippines where the age of consent is 12 and you're from California where it is 18, then even in the Philippines the age of consent for you is 18 and vice versa.

This is why this "industry" exists, the law prohibits the sex tourism option and thus the trafficking option becomes viable for those seeking it. Especially those with money and power.

So, Prince Andrew is from the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and the accuser stated the sex happened in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and she was 17..... so where is the crime?

My response was directed towards the whole "why not just travel to where it's legal" idea.

But in this case the accusation wasn't directly pedophilia (that is elsewhere and at other people) but that the girl was being held against her will as a sex slave and trafficked which are, arguably, more serious crimes than pedophilia anyway.

If there wasn't the whole sex trafficking/slave element then the really, really easy out in this situation would just be "I had sex with her, so what?" but because of those elements he can't admit to that and then the association with an alleged sex trafficker (in underage girls/boys) adds even more fuel on the fire.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - renotime - 11-21-2019 05:02 PM

Prince Andrew got the boot because it's bad for optics. He went on TV and looked like a jackass. Royal Blood might be able to hang around pedophiles, but they sure as hell don't want the world finding out about it.

This is the worst PR they've had since Princess Diana died.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 11-21-2019 10:27 PM

As Vox noted, the pizza party reference is a veiled threat against the establishment like Spacey's veiled threat that he's not going down quietly if they choose to make him a fallguy in all this.

The moment I heard "pizza" during that interview I thought "yep, there it is, plain as day".

Andrew cares more about his own neck than some bad PR for the royal family.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Sosa - 11-21-2019 11:21 PM

Not surprising although my first guess would of been the CIA.




RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - 911 - 11-21-2019 11:42 PM

Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a bigtime Mossad operative, so it's a no brainer.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Cuchulainn2016 - 11-22-2019 03:33 PM

(11-21-2019 11:45 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 07:53 AM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 07:01 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  
(11-21-2019 01:09 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  If the prince wasn’t guilty, he wouldn’t have bowed out of public life. The monarchy knows of his proclivities and realized this was their best option.

As for these degenerates and why they wouldn’t just procure young girls from places where it’s legal, the answer is simple. It’s about having that which is off limits. It’s about taking something without consent. It’s about validating your elite status by engaging in these acts because you can get away with it.

It's also not how the law works.

International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

So if you're in a country like say Philippines where the age of consent is 12 and you're from California where it is 18, then even in the Philippines the age of consent for you is 18 and vice versa.

This is why this "industry" exists, the law prohibits the sex tourism option and thus the trafficking option becomes viable for those seeking it. Especially those with money and power.

So, Prince Andrew is from the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and the accuser stated the sex happened in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, and she was 17..... so where is the crime?

The crime is called human trafficking. Age is irrelevant.

As far as I was aware, the woman said they met in a nightclub in London, then went back to Epsteins London apartment, where the prince fucked her.

Nothing about being sex trafficked, just another regret rape story.

Its a different matter from him being friendly with Epstein, though that is probably too nuanced for the sheeple these days.

But hey, its certainly more important than a former president who repeatedly flew to paedo island, with his wife, and without his own security, where women were, more than likely held prisoner for the elites debauchery.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Trumps Intern - 11-22-2019 03:50 PM

https://youtu.be/iCCGRNdUp-c?t=356

Where is Ghisllaine Maxwell?


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Sam Malone - 11-22-2019 04:53 PM

(11-21-2019 08:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  edit: [Image: 1574218789591.png?w=500&h=491]

I'll get ahead of this now and say that the guards didn't kill themselves.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-22-2019 04:57 PM

(11-21-2019 07:01 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  International law on this dictates that the age of consent is the older of the country you are in and the country you're from.

"International law" says no such thing. I think you are confusing this concept with a US law designed to stop NAMBLA types from planning trips.

Quote:Extraterritorial Sexual Exploitation of Children
The extraterritorial sexual exploitation of children is the act of traveling to a foreign country and engaging in sexual activity with a child in that country. Federal law prohibits an American citizen or resident to travel to a foreign country with intent to engage in any form of sexual conduct with a minor (defined as persons under 18 years of age). It is also illegal to help organize or assist another person to travel for these purposes. This crime is a form of human trafficking, also referred to as child sex tourism. Convicted offenders face fines and up to 30 years of imprisonment (For more information, see Citizen's Guide to Federal Law on the Extraterritorial Sexual Exploitation of Children).

Not that any of this mattered to Epstein or his perv pals. But since he committed suicide before cross examination we'll never know.

And yes folks, he killed himself. Until an investigation can turn up more than evidence of incompetent and malingering guards, Occam's razor theory is only validated even more. Crackpot retiree doctor claims notwithstanding, there's no evidence or likelihood there was an assassin.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Trumps Intern - 11-22-2019 07:16 PM

Seriously, where is Ghislaine Maxwell? It pisses me off that nobody in the mainstream media is asking this question and seems to have forgot her role. Her "sanctioned" disappearance is proof of FBI corruption. There is zero investigation going on regarding her. Selective prosecution over and over again! Complete tyranny!


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Knight of Malta - 11-22-2019 07:33 PM

(11-22-2019 04:57 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  And yes folks, he killed himself. Until an investigation can turn up more than evidence of incompetent and malingering guards, Occam's razor theory is only validated even more. Crackpot retiree doctor claims notwithstanding, there's no evidence or likelihood there was an assassin.

Yeah I guess if you ignore the cameras that randomly malfunctioned, the guards who fell asleep and later falsified records, the total lack of a government reaction to this, the fact that the prison cells were designed to prevent suicides, that there was never a suicide at this prison before now, the fact that Epstein was leaving the prison to meet with his lawyers thinking that he could get out of this situation like the last time.

How is Michael Baden a "crackpot"? He was a senior official in the New York City medial examiner's office for a long time who worked on many high profile cases.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-22-2019 09:22 PM

(11-22-2019 07:33 PM)Knight of Malta Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 04:57 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  And yes folks, he killed himself. Until an investigation can turn up more than evidence of incompetent and malingering guards, Occam's razor theory is only validated even more. Crackpot retiree doctor claims notwithstanding, there's no evidence or likelihood there was an assassin.

Yeah I guess if you ignore the cameras that randomly malfunctioned, the guards who fell asleep and later falsified records, the total lack of a government reaction to this, the fact that the prison cells were designed to prevent suicides, that there was never a suicide at this prison before now, the fact that Epstein was leaving the prison to meet with his lawyers thinking that he could get out of this situation like the last time.

How is Michael Baden a "crackpot"? He was a senior official in the New York City medial examiner's office for a long time who worked on many high profile cases.

I'm shocked that cameras don't work properly in a shitty prison with semi-retarded prison guards who lie about their work performance and aren't even smart enough to fess up once caught. Surely they would ensure the cameras were working before malingering, right?

What you cite demonstrates classic bureaucratic incompetence, not some grand conspiracy - government really isn't good at that. But it seems people have some deep seated need to believe in magic.

That doc is also a senior promotor of JFK and MLK conspiracy theories and by the sounds of it, an aging narcissist glad to accept a check from Epstein's brother. Yet if he were really on to something, there should be at least one other peer who shares his views, minus the check - is there? Credibility problems.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 11-23-2019 03:22 AM

You believe a pampered tenderfoot member of the financial elite had the know-how and the guts to kill himself in a suicide prevention wing and even managed to break neckbones in the process?

I don't care if the cameras were legitimately broken and the guards were legitimately retarded. The above makes no sense to anyone paying attention.

Garbage investigation = no crime
No crime = no real investigation
No real investigation = no evidence
No evidence = it's all just a stupid conspiracy theory

Sure, ok.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - 911 - 11-23-2019 06:05 AM

Sure Slicky, they will have a team of a dozen plus cops doing round the clock state of the art surveillance of the embassy where Assange was cooped for years on end, but somehow, will not even check the cameras covering the most high profile captive in the American prison system...


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Knight of Malta - 11-23-2019 08:42 AM

Yes, the people at the top would never work to pursue their own interests, which go against the interest of the people.

If you're not joking and seriously believe that, I would recommend you start with Tragedy and Hope by Dr. Carroll Quigley and Ryan Dawson's documentaries on 9/11 and JFK. Jay Dyer has also done great work with his Globalist book series.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Easy_C - 11-23-2019 09:08 AM

This wasn't some "shitty prison". It's a notorious facility where they keep high value targets.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-23-2019 12:00 PM

(11-23-2019 06:05 AM)911 Wrote:  Sure Slicky, they will have a team of a dozen plus cops doing round the clock state of the art surveillance of the embassy where Assange was cooped for years on end, but somehow, will not even check the cameras covering the most high profile captive in the American prison system...

We have nothing but speculation as to whether or not the investigation was "garbage" or if all facets of it are completely concluded. Maybe we will get that inmate who spills a story he heard from another inmate about the time he killed Epstein. Time will tell, but prepare to be disappointed.

A team of cops on a public street outside of the tiny Ecuadorian embassy is a lot different than a facility where only X numbers of (malingering, low performing NYPD police test failure) guards can watch a detainee from inside. The cops watching Assange also had five plus years to get him and knew exactly where he was the entire time. The career malingerers and no-show loser maintenance guys had far less time than that to plan the great assassination scam everyone wants to believe happened.

Until there's more actual evidence beyond black pill "inside job" rumor mongering, I'm not convinced. Plenty of years working in government environments tells me all I need to know about how terrible government employees are at planning anything beyond a fire drill. Even then they fuck that up.

You're right though Easy C - this wasn't a shitty prison, it was a jail with a lot of transients in and out, regardless of high value. When shitty people run things, shit happens. Maybe Bill Barr is lying too?

Quote:Barr told the Associated Press that the evidence proves that his death was, in fact, by suicide, adding that he personally reviewed security footage that confirmed that no one entered the area where Epstein was housed the night he died.

He was taken off suicide watch at the request of his own lawyer, BTW. If this were something like the federal ADMAX prison in Florence Colorado yeah, Epstein would still be alive. But it was not.

I really wanted to believe that Vince Foster killed himself too, but to my chagrin the evidence only showed at most that he may have killed himself and then his body was moved - no CIA assassination, no drug lords, nothing. Again the US government isn't that good - they just aren't.

It was kind of a bruise to my 20-something ego back then, but reality can be that way. The sooner you wake from the comforting slumber of conspiracy theories the better.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Easy_C - 11-23-2019 12:10 PM

No, it’s not just a “transient prison”. It’s the facility where people like El Chapo and the 9/11 plotters were kept.

There’s multiple people who were held there all saying that the official story is impossible based on their experiences there


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-23-2019 12:17 PM

Kept. Held. Detained. Yes, that's why it isn't a prison, it's a detention facility.

Quote:...is a United States federal administrative detention facility in Manhattan, New York, which holds male and female prisoners of all security levels.


Florence is the prison of all prisons. You can be sure the cameras work. Big difference.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - PapayaTapper - 11-23-2019 12:19 PM

(11-23-2019 12:00 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I really wanted to believe that Vince Foster killed himself too, but to my chagrin the evidence only showed at most that he may have killed himself and then his body was moved - no CIA assassination, no drug lords, nothing. Again the US government isn't that good - they just aren't.

I agree. But Mossad facilitated by and with consent of the US apparatus would be


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-23-2019 12:37 PM

(11-23-2019 12:19 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 12:00 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  I really wanted to believe that Vince Foster killed himself too, but to my chagrin the evidence only showed at most that he may have killed himself and then his body was moved - no CIA assassination, no drug lords, nothing. Again the US government isn't that good - they just aren't.

I agree. But Mossad facilitated by and with consent of the US apparatus would be

In their world, yes. Stuxnet is a likely example. But not seeing it here. Yet.