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RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Rigsby - 11-23-2019 09:56 PM

Something else is up.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718663/Princess-Beatrice-helped-set-father-Prince-Andrews-car-crash-BBC-interview.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718731/Prince-Andrew-plotting-comeback-Charles-wants-permanently-retired.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718971/Prince-Andrew-secretly-met-Jeffrey-Epsteins-madam-Ghislaine-Maxwell-Buckingham-Palace.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7719141/Queen-cancels-Prince-Andrews-60th-birthday-party.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7718689/Picture-haunts-Prince-Andrew-seen-time-revealing-house-interior.html




They are going too hard.

It's too much of a free for all on a protected species.


This does not happen.


It's the same kind of insanity and paradox that I questioned when I pointed out the fact that this shit just doesn't happen to people like Epstein.

Same thing again.

They are hanging out Andy to dry so much it seems like a show.

Just like the two 'officers' at the NY jail who were 'surfing the net'.




Do you see it yet?

Can you see the game?


You aren't really getting it are you?


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - jordypip23 - 11-24-2019 12:08 AM

(11-23-2019 09:08 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  This wasn't some "shitty prison". It's a notorious facility where they keep high value targets.

Pretty ironic. I could be wrong, but it appears that some of the prison staff is so inept, that I wouldn't trust them to hold down a Popeyes chicken restaurant let alone this "high profile" federal administrative detention facility that has apparently housed the likes of El Chapo, Jeffrey Epstein & I'm sure other interesting names in the past.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 11-24-2019 12:31 AM

(11-23-2019 12:00 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  We have nothing but speculation ...

Yes, when our governments are clearly corrupt from top to bottom we have nothing to rely on other than common sense and what we can see with our own eyes.

Common sense dictates that one of the world's most valuable prisoners is not going to be put in a lackluster facility unless him ending up dead is precisely the aim.

So let's play devil's advocate for a moment and say he really did kill himself. Even if that were true then he was provided with the circumstance to do it by people who wanted him dead, which is functionally the same as a conspiracy to kill him.

2019 America is not feudal Japan. Epstein was not permitted to redeem himself by seppuku. Powerful people wanted him dead and even if he did it himself (I sincerely doubt that) then him being placed in such a position to kill himself is evidence of conspiracy enough.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - SlickyBoy - 11-24-2019 04:23 PM

Procedurally, he went to the same holding facility as would anyone charged in that jurisdiction. Nothing shocking about that. He slipped through the same predictable bureaucracy that overlooks who knows how many other suicides at that exact location, but nobody notices them either - doesn't mean they were all murdered.

We obviously aren't going to see eye to eye on this one, but perhaps more facts will emerge that move the ball down the field.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - porscheguy - 11-24-2019 07:27 PM

This is a government facility so I’m not surprised the system wasn’t 100% functional. But what are the odds the system is 100% nonfunctional when it has possibly the most high profile prisoner to enter the system in years? It’s like winning the lottery.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - CynicalContrarian - 11-25-2019 05:23 PM

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RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Easy_C - 11-25-2019 05:38 PM

(11-24-2019 04:23 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  Procedurally, he went to the same holding facility as would anyone charged in that jurisdiction. Nothing shocking about that. He slipped through the same predictable bureaucracy that overlooks who knows how many other suicides at that exact location, but nobody notices them either - doesn't mean they were all murdered.

We obviously aren't going to see eye to eye on this one, but perhaps more facts will emerge that move the ball down the field.






RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - CynicalContrarian - 11-28-2019 09:50 PM

Just as American award events are pointless, overly PC & 'woke'.
Same goes for Australian award events.

However...
At the 2019 Aus. music awards Rolleyes :




RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - BlastbeatCasanova - 11-28-2019 10:53 PM

Counter Currents summed up the Epstein meme better than I ever could have:

Quote: The Epstein meme is another example of a conspiracy theory acting as a harmless safety valve. The meme discourse reinforces America’s two political teams and doesn’t result in uncomfortable questions about global elites and their power structure. It’s something to laugh about and feel a tad naughty as you head to your company’s diversity workshop.

Quote:It’s far safer to believe that the Earth is flat, JFK was killed by aliens, or George W. Bush blew up the Towers than it is to argue that America should remain majority white. It’s more comforting to imagine the world is run by a secret lizard cabal than it is to notice Jewish overrepresentation in the media, finance, and academia. Most popular conspiracy theories are just entertaining distractions from what’s really going on. You’re too busy figuring out the next link in the thriller plot to see what’s right in front of you.

Quote: Compare the different reactions to “Jeffrey Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself” versus “It’s Okay to Be White.” Both are simple statements that most Americans would agree with. Yet, only one of the memes causes college campuses to panic and police departments to pursue hate crime charges. The other one is a funny sign at a football game. The system says you can believe Epstein was murdered so long as you know it’s not okay to be white.

https://www.counter-currents.com/2019/11/conspiracy-theories-for-npcs/


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - bonkers - 11-29-2019 10:51 PM

I assume Trump is in on this?

He has been very quiet on this incident - when one of the most wanted men in America held in a maximum security prison in NY is ‘allowed’ to commit suicide on the second attempt - one would think this incident would be in the national interest and he would be more vocal.

Essentially he has been very quiet on this front.

Compare this to his outcry over the NFL kneeling issue which would have blown over even sooner than it did if he hadn’t gotten involved.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Tail Gunner - 12-06-2019 12:26 AM

Quote:Book Claims Epstein Was Israeli Spy Who Blackmailed Politicians
By Solange Reyner | Thursday, 05 December 2019 06:54 PM

Jeffrey Epstein blackmailed some of the most powerful and famous men in the world, Epstein's one-time handler for Mossad, the national intelligence agency of Israel, claims in a new book, "Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales," according to Medium.

Author Dylan Howard's book details how Epstein was an Israeli spy who initially evaded prison time because of his dirt on politicians.

The billionaire financier committed suicide while awaiting trial on charges of running a sex trafficking operation with underage girls.

Ari Ben-Menashe says Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's ex-girlfriend, both took pictures of the men having sex with underage girls to blackmail them. The pair allegedly ran a "honey trap" operation where they would provide underage girls to politicians in an attempt to squeeze them for information for the Israelis.

"Mr. Epstein was the simple idiot who was going around providing girls to all kinds of politicians in the United States," Ben-Menashe says in the book. "See, f**king around is not a crime. It could be embarrassing, but it's not a crime.

"But f**king a 14-year-old girl is a crime. And he was taking photos of politicians f**king 14-year-old girls — if you want to get it straight.

"They [Epstein and Maxwell] would just blackmail people; they would just blackmail people like that."

Former CIA counter-terrorism specialist Philip Giraldi in August made similar remarks.

"There is no other viable explanation for his filming of prominent politicians and celebrities having sex with young girls," Giraldi wrote in the American Herald Tribune. "Epstein clearly had contact with former Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres and Ehud Barak and [Epstein's client Leslie] Wexner also had close ties to Israel and its government."

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/blackmail-sex-trafficking-spy-dead-men-tell-no-tales/2019/12/05/id/944738/


A more comprehensive article appears here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10414087/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-mossad-agents-politicians-sex-blackmail/


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - CynicalContrarian - 01-02-2020 02:42 AM

Not surprised if true.

Jeffrey Epstein's socialite 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell 'is being hidden from the FBI in a series of safe houses because of the information she has on powerful people'

Maxwell has remained incognito since Epstein's arrest and death behind bars
New report claims both she and Epstein were 'assets' for a foreign government
Source says they funneled dirt on the rich and powerful to foreign spies
Now Maxwell may be hiding in a safehouse in Israel, the new report claims
She is a British and US citizen, and daughter of an alleged Mossad operative


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7843659/Ghislaine-Maxwell-reportedly-foreign-spy-hiding-Israel.html


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - PapayaTapper - 01-02-2020 12:07 PM

(01-02-2020 02:42 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Not surprised if true.

Jeffrey Epstein's socialite 'madam' Ghislaine Maxwell 'is being hidden from the FBI in a series of safe houses because of the information she has on powerful people'

Maxwell has remained incognito since Epstein's arrest and death behind bars
New report claims both she and Epstein were 'assets' for a foreign government
Source says they funneled dirt on the rich and powerful to foreign spies
Now Maxwell may be hiding in a safehouse in Israel, the new report claims
She is a British and US citizen, and daughter of an alleged Mossad operative


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7843659/Ghislaine-Maxwell-reportedly-foreign-spy-hiding-Israel.html

What I want to know is why hasn't she been charged with anything ? Several girls have stated that she was instrumental in their "abuse" and some even say she participated...so why hasnt she been charged?


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 01-02-2020 12:22 PM

They have to wait until the Epstein suicide memes die down before she gets arrested and slits her wrists with prison issue toilet paper.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - PapayaTapper - 01-02-2020 01:07 PM

This makes sense. Apparently the new case against Epstein (after his 2008 plea deal) was 4-5 years in the making and his death really threw the prosecutors for a loop. Since Maxwell is now the next in line "kingpin" it will take some time to rebuild the case with her as the focus. The raid on the island and other warrants served after his death make sense in this context.


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/20/epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-227632

Quote:In the days since convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in a Manhattan jail cell, there has been a growing public outcry asking why his longtime confidante and alleged accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell has not yet been charged. Former FBI Assistant Director Frank Figliuzzi asked, “Why is she still walking around?” And after a photo (since discredited) emerged purporting to show Maxwell eating outside an In-N-Out Burger restaurant, one prominent legal analyst asked, “Why is the most wanted woman in America just walking around L.A.?”

Unfortunately, the answer is likely that law enforcement simply does not yet have sufficient evidence to ensure a conviction of Maxwell. If they had enough evidence, they would have charged her already. Getting that evidence will not be anywhere near as easy as some pundits might suggest.

The public outcry for prosecutors to quickly charge Maxwell is understandable. After all, several women, who say they were victims of Epstein, have alleged she procured underage girls for him, bragged about it, and called them “trash.” One attorney for victims alleges that Maxwell was an “active participant in the sexual abuse.” Maxwell has denied the allegations.

The indictment against Epstein charged him with a sex trafficking conspiracy. That charge allowed prosecutors to include all of Epstein’s abuse of minors in multiple jurisdictions—in New York, Florida and elsewhere—regardless of when the acts took place. To charge Maxwell with the same conspiracy, prosecutors would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she agreed with Epstein to engage in sex trafficking.

Given that Epstein is dead and that criminals rarely put agreements to commit crime in writing, proof of an agreement between the two would likely rely on circumstantial evidence. But Maxwell would also be criminally responsible for Epstein’s conspiracy if she “aided and abetted” the conspiracy. That would require prosecutors to prove that she knew about the criminal conspiracy and helped to make it succeed.

Nonetheless, prosecutors would need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Maxwell knew that force, threats of force, fraud or coercion would be used to cause victims to engage in a commercial sex act. The bottom line is that prosecutors would need to prove that Maxwell knew Epstein abused the girls and that he used force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion to do so.

That isn’t as easy as it sounds, particularly if Epstein’s estate pays for Maxwell to have a top-flight legal team. Unlike Epstein, Maxwell does not have a prior conviction, which could have been used against Epstein at trial. Prosecutors would not be able to use affidavits to prove their case because defendants have a right to cross-examine their accusers. So victims would need to testify on the witness stand about what they saw Maxwell do. In my experience, it can be difficult for victims to face individuals who abused them as a child, and many are reluctant to do so.

At least one victim, Virginia Giuffre, alleged in a civil suit that Maxwell engaged in sex acts with her and Epstein. But before that case settled, Maxwell pointed out certain inaccuracies in Giuffre’s account and attacked her for a prior drug-related offense. Her allegations were ultimately stricken by the judge for unrelated reasons.

Giuffre made prior statements about the sex acts with Epstein and Maxwell to a man named Tony Figueroa, which could be admissible if Maxwell’s team attacked Giuffre’s veracity and Figueroa were available to testify. Proving that Maxwell was a party to Epstein’s trafficking scheme would require proving that Maxwell knew what Epstein was paying for. Ultimately, it would come down to Giuffre’s word against Maxwell’s.

Her team would argue that she didn’t know that the girls were underage, and that while she procured young women for Epstein, she had no idea he would abuse them. Her lawyers would point out that if a rich man merely wanted to look at younger women or even receive a massage from them, that would not be a crime.

It’s understandable that many of us have concluded Maxwell was in on Epstein’s scheme—I admit I share that view myself. But remember that jurors would be screened for bias and instructed to focus solely on what was admitted into evidence in court. They would be told that they could convict only if Maxwell’s guilt were proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Her team would sow doubts and claim that the government was looking for a “fall guy” to blame for Epstein’s crimes.

It’s not inconceivable that Maxwell could escape conviction. If even one juror out of 12 voted to acquit, she would not be convicted.

For Southern District of New York federal prosecutors tasked with investigating Maxwell, that possibility is what is driving them to continue their investigation, including a recent search warrant executed at Epstein’s home in the Virgin Islands.

They have plenty of leads to work with. Additional witnesses reported conversations with minors who alleged that Maxwell was involved in forcing them to submit to abuse. But prosecutors need to locate those victims and persuade them to testify, and find corroborating evidence—ideally documents, photos, or videos—to back up their accounts.

What’s at stake is how underage victims throughout the United States regard the criminal justice system. Epstein’s highly questionable plea deal from 2008, and prosecutors’ failure to inform victims of its terms, sent a message to victims that wealthy predators would not be brought to justice and that the interests of the victims themselves could be ignored when the defendant had sufficient means to aggressively negotiate a highly favorable deal.

Prosecutors vowed to continue to “stand up for the victims” when they moved to dismiss the criminal case against Epstein on Monday. But a failed prosecution of Maxwell would undermine that. That is why prosecutors continue the search for evidence, no doubt keeping tabs on Maxwell’s whereabouts as they do. Their decision not to bring charges thus far is likely calculated and careful, not corrupt or careless.

I wonder if Vegas is making odds on her manner of death. Suicide and car crash have to be pretty even only tempered by the obviousness.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 01-03-2020 01:27 AM

Clouds everything, the dark side does.

Are the Israelis so loyal to their agents that they'd risk Maxwell (and maybe even a rescued Epstien) to live? Is she already dead? Or is she being pumped for every last bit of useful information and tortured to give up her dead-man switches?

Personally I don't buy the idea that a case was being built against Epstein for 5 years only to place him in a corrupt Jew-York prison with sleepy staff and broken cameras. We're not even talking about a simple pedo-ring operator. He was well known to have intelligence ties.

It doesn't pass the sniff test. Not even remotely. It's just chum thrown to the folks who want an explanation that allows them to sleep a little better at night. "The system is still redeemable. They had a bad stroke of luck there with that Epstein business, but they're really trying! Honest!"


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - MichaelWitcoff - 01-03-2020 01:39 AM

If they don’t protect Maxwell, potential Mossad recruits will see that and assume they’ll be thrown under the bus if caught someday as well.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Leonard D Neubache - 01-03-2020 02:03 AM

That's my thinking. Large organisations with a lot of expendable, stupid recruits can afford to burn their own people because there will always be enough willing replacements.

The Israelis can't operate that way for obvious reasons. This creates an exceptional environment to do what they do. I'm sure every last agent who was ever on the books is never truly considered retired and remains on call. Similarly they can rely on help no matter how long they've been out of the loop.

It's a model of what every ethnicity should strive for among their own. Loyalty to your people, not a bunch of assholes waving a flag and pretending to be your brother.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Sosa - 01-05-2020 10:28 AM

Ghislaine Maxwell’s has powerful contacts and intelligence agencies protecting her in safe houses from the UK to Israel.






RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Mikeyd03 - 01-05-2020 10:49 AM

Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham died before Epstein “killed himself”.

Cause of her brother’s death: “undisclosed”

Who does Hillary’s dead brother look like? (Epstein)

Do a google search.

Perhaps Epstein had a deadman switch after all. Sitting on a beach with a reconstructed face right now.

It’s a stretch. But funny to think about.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - Aurini - 01-05-2020 11:11 AM

(01-05-2020 10:49 AM)Mikeyd03 Wrote:  Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham died before Epstein “killed himself”.

Cause of her brother’s death: “undisclosed”

Who does Hillary’s dead brother look like? (Epstein)

Do a google search.

Perhaps Epstein had a deadman switch after all. Sitting on a beach with a reconstructed face right now.

It’s a stretch. But funny to think about.

That's why the saying is "Epstein didn't kill himself" not "Epstein was murdered."

The body we saw looked more like Hillary's brother in law than Epstein - though I'm not a corpse expert.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - jordypip23 - 01-05-2020 03:41 PM

(01-05-2020 10:49 AM)Mikeyd03 Wrote:  Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham died before Epstein “killed himself”.

Cause of her brother’s death: “undisclosed”

Who does Hillary’s dead brother look like? (Epstein)

Do a google search.

Perhaps Epstein had a deadman switch after all. Sitting on a beach with a reconstructed face right now.

It’s a stretch. But funny to think about.

While I could see the merit in this conspiracy theory, it does seem that Jeffrey's brother Mark Epstein does seem a bit distraught over his brother's "murder" in the correctional facility. The brother appears to believe the murder narrative.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - DarkTriad - 01-05-2020 04:07 PM

(11-24-2019 12:08 AM)jordypip23 Wrote:  
(11-23-2019 09:08 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  This wasn't some "shitty prison". It's a notorious facility where they keep high value targets.

Pretty ironic. I could be wrong, but it appears that some of the prison staff is so inept, that I wouldn't trust them to hold down a Popeyes chicken restaurant let alone this "high profile" federal administrative detention facility that has apparently housed the likes of El Chapo, Jeffrey Epstein & I'm sure other interesting names in the past.

As the Key Turns is an excellent youtube channel by a former supermax corrections officer. He said it couldn't have happened at his facility, but his was in the sticks where that standard Federal pay and retirement was better than any other job you could get around there, and if you fucked up, the other officers would catch you in the Church parking lot and beat your ass, so there was no screwing around like this. He noted that the same standard Federal pay was poverty level in Manhattan, and could only attract incompetent boobs. Lazy incompetents being cased by sophisticated criminals with ties to intelligence organizations? Just a matter of time.


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - 911 - 01-05-2020 04:14 PM

^^More likely, the prison's warden and/or his bosses were in on it, they didn't have to infiltrate the system from the bottom to pull this off.

(01-05-2020 03:41 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  
(01-05-2020 10:49 AM)Mikeyd03 Wrote:  Hillary’s brother Tony Rodham died before Epstein “killed himself”.

Cause of her brother’s death: “undisclosed”

Who does Hillary’s dead brother look like? (Epstein)

Do a google search.

Perhaps Epstein had a deadman switch after all. Sitting on a beach with a reconstructed face right now.

It’s a stretch. But funny to think about.

While I could see the merit in this conspiracy theory, it does seem that Jeffrey's brother Mark Epstein does seem a bit distraught over his brother's "murder" in the correctional facility. The brother appears to believe the murder narrative.

Sort of like how Seth Rich's parents believe their son's murder was a robbery gone bad where the shooter left his wallet, watch and phone on his body...


RE: Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking - DarkTriad - 01-05-2020 04:18 PM

(01-03-2020 01:39 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  If they don’t protect Maxwell, potential Mossad recruits will see that and assume they’ll be thrown under the bus if caught someday as well.

In addition to that, she is a seasoned blackmailer and she'd be a fool if she wasn't holding this stuff over her employers as well with some kind of dead man switch. She has more dirt than Epstein, since she knows every dirty deal her father did as well.