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RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Captainstabbin - 07-17-2019 12:19 PM

Looked up the presenter's credentials. It's about what you'd expect.

Quote:Regehr returned to King's College London to work on a doctorate and graduated in 2016.[17] Her doctoral project was an ethnographic study of a group of former exotic dancers, who unionised in 1955, and now live and perform as an ageing community in Las Vegas

You think incels are angry - ancient, beat strippers are probably raging on levels you can't imagine.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Rorogue - 07-17-2019 12:22 PM

Incels like the ones on those forums are the Antifa of the right. Blame everyone else solely for their failure. Irrational losers.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - yeppels - 07-17-2019 12:25 PM

There have always been men who don't reproduce due to some kind of disadvantage, whether it be biological, social, mental, etc. It's simply a law of nature. The weak die without sex. However, we never really hear of these men because they simply sit in their basement and die quietly. The internet has given them a voice and a community.

On one hand, it's simply free speech.

On the other hand, it's an echo chamber where people become trapped and radicalized. Instead of seeking improvement (like learning game, which is not a quick nor painless process as we know), people stick to the toxic environment and become toxic themselves because it's easier to hate than to improve. Of course, there are people who are true incels and will never get laid no matter what (unless they pay up)

I think this is simply an inevitability of the internet and human communication.

The only thing that can be done is, in my opinion, keep your sons engaged in activities so they don't waste their time on incel communities during their formative years. Of course, this may be impossible due to things like both parents having to work due to the realities of economics, or having to deal with issues such as autism or other disorders that may make it impossible for your son to engage in certain activities. On top of that, we can't really control our kids fully so they will still be exposed, and we just have to educate them on how to approach hateful communities online, just like we have to adapt the birds and the bees talk to porn.

Hate is a very powerful way of bringing people together, and the internet only strengthens our hate.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Days of Broken Arrows - 07-17-2019 01:26 PM

(07-17-2019 12:25 PM)yeppels Wrote:  There have always been men who don't reproduce due to some kind of disadvantage, whether it be biological, social, mental, etc. It's simply a law of nature. The weak die without sex. However, we never really hear of these men because they simply sit in their basement and die quietly. The internet has given them a voice and a community.

On one hand, it's simply free speech.

On the other hand, it's an echo chamber where people become trapped and radicalized. Instead of seeking improvement (like learning game, which is not a quick nor painless process as we know), people stick to the toxic environment and become toxic themselves because it's easier to hate than to improve. Of course, there are people who are true incels and will never get laid no matter what (unless they pay up)

I think this is simply an inevitability of the internet and human communication.

The only thing that can be done is, in my opinion, keep your sons engaged in activities so they don't waste their time on incel communities during their formative years. Of course, this may be impossible due to things like both parents having to work due to the realities of economics, or having to deal with issues such as autism or other disorders that may make it impossible for your son to engage in certain activities. On top of that, we can't really control our kids fully so they will still be exposed, and we just have to educate them on how to approach hateful communities online, just like we have to adapt the birds and the bees talk to porn.

Hate is a very powerful way of bringing people together, and the internet only strengthens our hate.

"There have always been men who don't reproduce due to some kind of disadvantage, whether it be biological, social, mental, etc. It's simply a law of nature."

Agreed. But we changed nature. This isn't being acknowledged.

The Pill made it possible for women to stop having kids...or to put off having kids till age 40. Women have lower sex drives than men.

So what happens to all the men who want to have sex while women on The Pill are preoccupied being worker bees?

You get Incels. This ties back into what I was saying at the beginning of the thread. Most of our societal dysfunction comes from mega-corporations who stole our wives and made them workers.

Studies show that most sex happens inside of marriage. So while your dad and his dad were going home each night to get f*cked by their wives, guys today go alone, while their female counterparts get f*cked by corporate America.

The Pill alters women biologically and has altered our society. That can't be overlooked. I don't see how you can do any sort of documentary about young men not having sex and overlook how The Pill turned young women into barren corporate drones.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - mr_ks - 07-17-2019 04:01 PM

The problem is Western media that we all grew up with, that had this idea of boyfriend - girlfriend relations as some kind of norm that every man and woman should always be in. This is simply incorrect, I think in reality many women do not really want a man around until they want kids and help raising them. The incels basically think everyone but them has a girlfriend but this is not so.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Manbeline - 07-17-2019 07:00 PM

I will admit, the benefit of a gf or a wife is the constant sex. With that fulfilled, you become more focused in life without having to worry about if you're going to get laid the next week.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - mr_ks - 07-17-2019 07:52 PM

Constant sex without worrying about having children is a modern luxury not available to any form of life I'd imagine. This is not something men should expect as a norm, and certainly not something all men are automatically entitled to, I think.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - John Dodds - 07-17-2019 09:15 PM

(07-16-2019 04:49 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  I would say if you define incel as haven't had (hetero)sexual relations in the past 3 months but want to, then at least 30% of single guys in the west, perhaps 50-60% are incel. Therefore, what you have is actually an overwhelming majority of incels who don't join the community. Of course you don't see the incels who aren't in the community etc etc.

I was an Incel for 30 years while married to a Brit woman I loved.
White women ration sex and use it as a weapon to dominate and control you.
Before and after her, I could get sex whenever I felt like it.
Most of my married pals were in the same boat.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - sanbruno - 07-17-2019 09:42 PM

Constant sex in marriage? Have you ever worked among married, middle aged men? The root of the problem is that your average to below average man has less opportunity to enter the middle class, and even then, “blue collar” work has been demonized to the point that even high earning laborors are still deemed too low class for entitled millenial woman. In the past, these men would probably end up working as semi-skilled laborors, unglamorous but slowly building up their worth both as potential providers and career men. Now, men increasingly lack the opportunity and structure to build something of themselves as an aimless HS or even college grad off street. This is just a symptom of globalization and the demonization of blue collar labor. Women now have the option of spending their 20s partying and chasing Chad, versus relunctantly settling for a middle class provider. I dont think the lack of sex is so much the problem for men, but the sense of being a hopeless underclass with no career to offer greener pastures and purpose.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Cumlluminates - 07-18-2019 12:15 AM

(07-17-2019 12:22 PM)Rorogue Wrote:  Incels like the ones on those forums are the Antifa of the right. Blame everyone else solely for their failure. Irrational losers.

Speaking of...

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RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - tugofpeace - 07-19-2019 12:10 PM

(07-17-2019 07:52 PM)mr_ks Wrote:  Constant sex without worrying about having children is a modern luxury not available to any form of life I'd imagine. This is not something men should expect as a norm, and certainly not something all men are automatically entitled to, I think.

This isn't the case if you're gay. You can bang crossdressers, twinks, and shemales that look like bonafide women. Big Grin I kid, I kid


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Abelard Lindsey - 07-19-2019 02:46 PM

I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women. One example is the stereotypical nerdy type who has the effect of kryptonite on women. Incel violence isn't new either. Remember the serial killers of the 70's and 80's.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - yeppels - 07-19-2019 02:57 PM

(07-17-2019 01:26 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Agreed. But we changed nature. This isn't being acknowledged.

We sure have, but we continue to live by the exact same natural law of adapt or die, though the "die" has now been upgraded to "suffer a bit more than others" due to changes in our cultural beliefs in human rights. Incels are simply failing to adapt and are blaming women for their failures.

Regardless of your opinions on birth control, I think it's silly to blame the failings of men, who spend the majority of their time in toxic internet communities, on women.

The world changes, and we must change with it, or we get left behind. There are plenty of women having sex... just not with these guys, because they are the undersirables of society. They have no ambitions, no social prospects no social savvy, no interest or hobbies, and may or may not be very unattractive or disabled (probably the minority).

A man who does not conquer his circumstances, regardless of what they are, becomes conquered by them.

Quote:Most of our societal dysfunction comes from mega-corporations who stole our wives and made them workers.

You could argue that our societal dysfunction started with the first agricultural revolution 10000 years ago where we abandoned our lives as nomads and settled down to farm all day. We worked harder for a worse quality of life.

Also you say they stole our wives, but you ever wonder if they left willingly of their own accord?


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Days of Broken Arrows - 07-19-2019 03:39 PM

(07-19-2019 02:57 PM)yeppels Wrote:  
(07-17-2019 01:26 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Agreed. But we changed nature. This isn't being acknowledged.

We sure have, but we continue to live by the exact same natural law of adapt or die, though the "die" has now been upgraded to "suffer a bit more than others" due to changes in our cultural beliefs in human rights. Incels are simply failing to adapt and are blaming women for their failures.

Regardless of your opinions on birth control, I think it's silly to blame the failings of men, who spend the majority of their time in toxic internet communities, on women.

The world changes, and we must change with it, or we get left behind. There are plenty of women having sex... just not with these guys, because they are the undersirables of society. They have no ambitions, no social prospects no social savvy, no interest or hobbies, and may or may not be very unattractive or disabled (probably the minority).

A man who does not conquer his circumstances, regardless of what they are, becomes conquered by them.

Quote:Most of our societal dysfunction comes from mega-corporations who stole our wives and made them workers.

You could argue that our societal dysfunction started with the first agricultural revolution 10000 years ago where we abandoned our lives as nomads and settled down to farm all day. We worked harder for a worse quality of life.

Also you say they stole our wives, but you ever wonder if they left willingly of their own accord?

Rollo Tomassi gets into this with his classic post on "War Brides." Women evolved to side with the winners.

Regarding war brides: When a country was invaded and its men were defeated, the women married the winning warriors. This is a reason that the "language center" in women's brains is more developed and women take to learning foreign languages easier. They had to learn to speak to the invading warriors quick or risk the lives of themselves or their children.

The reason women willingly took to corporations are because they conquered the average man in terms of what they could provide for a woman. They made the average man the loser in the war of personal economics since they stepped in to be providers for women.

Women became war brides to the workplace. They took to the winners. The executive track offered more secure rewards, as opposed to the average guy their own age who couldn't dangle bonus money every Christmas, the executive track, and paid vacations.

On top of that, corporate jobs gave women autonomy. They earn their own salaries and buy their own property. They no longer have to share things with men, who can be unpredictable and sometimes fail.

And, finally, all of this changed the way women were parented. Girls in America are now raised as boys. As such, women are being prepped to marry corporations, not men. This goes for both conservative families and liberal ones.

Conservative dads, by the way, are often the worst offenders, with their idiotic "I'll Kill You If You Touch My Daughter!" shirts and pushing their girls into competitive sports and grueling academic work. This sets up women to be "achievers," not wives or even girlfriends. (See the Dalrock blog for more on this.)

This takes us back to the original subject of this thread, incels. All of the above means less marriage for women or marriage at a late age. That leaves men with a lot of sexless time from ages 20-40, when women are busy working.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - The Catalyst - 07-19-2019 03:55 PM

(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Abelard Lindsey - 07-19-2019 04:06 PM

(07-19-2019 03:55 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.

Of course we had the social revolution of the 60's and 70's. Its been my impression that the social scene has been relatively constant since that time. Is this not true? Has the dating game really changed in the last 10 years? I ask because I've not been in the (U.S.) dating game since 1989.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Cattle Rustler - 07-19-2019 04:42 PM

Who cares about these guys? Y’all keep trying to rationalize with them and be sympathetic. Fuck em, we celebrate champions, not losers.

Less women for them, more women we have as an option to “engage in marriage and have kids” with.

Most of those faggots look better than me and I still get laid more than them. Someone mentioned “high earning blue collar doesn’t get pussy”, we do. We get lots of pussy.

Champions adjust. Losers get on the internet and whine about chads, looksmaxing, feminism, the Jews, and religion.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - The Catalyst - 07-19-2019 05:20 PM

(07-19-2019 04:06 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 03:55 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.

Of course we had the social revolution of the 60's and 70's. Its been my impression that the social scene has been relatively constant since that time. Is this not true? Has the dating game really changed in the last 10 years? I ask because I've not been in the (U.S.) dating game since 1989.

Yeah for sure it has...(in the west)- the number of kissable girls has probably halved(mainly obesity). It is kind of standard/easy to figure out from statistics and going out etc. But no one would admit it because as people said earlier in the thread it's not "socially intelligent" to. So just work it out from logic/first principles...


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - The Catalyst - 07-19-2019 05:24 PM

(07-19-2019 04:42 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  Who cares about these guys? Y’all keep trying to rationalize with them and be sympathetic. Fuck em, we celebrate champions, not losers.

Less women for them, more women we have as an option to “engage in marriage and have kids” with.

Most of those faggots look better than me and I still get laid more than them. Someone mentioned “high earning blue collar doesn’t get pussy”, we do. We get lots of pussy.

Champions adjust. Losers get on the internet and whine about chads, looksmaxing, feminism, the Jews, and religion.

LDN explains this mentality quite well here:

(07-07-2019 10:55 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  To the Jews, someone having a weakness to be exploited is described as "hapless" and punishing the exploiter is described as creating a "scapegoat" for the foolishness of the (non)victim, who as such is not really a victim of anything but their own shortcomings, whereas the Jew is merely engaging in a libertarian free market "survival of the fittest" approach. You will note that in current times where it comes to whites being ripped off in any financial sense by "bankers" then there's a heavy narrative pushed, even by their own (((bought and paid for))) elected officials, that the free market must be protected at all costs.

Meanwhile on the other hand we see Grimm explain the European side of the story where being "hapless" is in reality simply being a high trust individual living in a high trust society and running afoul of someone who operates on a strictly cut-throat approach. The moral of the stories is that one should avoid assuming "foreigners" can be given the same level of trust as a fellow European.

The irony is that if you laid this bare and got honest answers from both parties you would see this:

"The Jew took advantage of the European's desperate-situation/simple-ignorance. Were they correct to do so?"

European: "No. It's wrong to take advantage of desperate/stupid people."
Jew: "Yes. The desperate are so because of their choices to date and stupid people have to learn somehow.
Brainwashed (Jewified) European: "Yes. They didn't have to take advantage but there's no law against it and the free market must be protected at all costs. Also, why do I feel sick in my stomach?"



RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - WalterBlack - 07-19-2019 05:42 PM

(07-17-2019 12:33 AM)Kungfu Wrote:  This piece of work should be an incel, but in clown world she's the covergirl of a sex magazine.

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She's so self absorbed, she has a tattoo of herself on her forearm.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Rorogue - 07-19-2019 10:35 PM

(07-19-2019 03:55 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.

I agree.

A normal 5/10 looking guy today is looked at with disdain and disgust. I remember a time 7-10 years ago where that simply wasn't the case


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - TigerMandingo - 07-19-2019 10:38 PM

The word “loser” gets thrown around like “racist”. I don’t know that it has any meaning anymore.

Homeless dudes used to be called losers. Junkies, too. Ok, that made sense. Now it’s a guy who doesn’t know how to talk to girls. Or a Trump critic lol.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - la bodhisattva - 07-19-2019 11:03 PM

(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women. One example is the stereotypical nerdy type who has the effect of kryptonite on women. Incel violence isn't new either. Remember the serial killers of the 70's and 80's.

Seems like every serial killer except Ted Bundy has heavy incel tendencies.

I listen to a few crime podcasts and a common trait that many share is their lack of success with girls in high school, even when their murders happened decade(s) later. The hosts always highlight the killers social ineptitude and hatred of women. Armchair, woke psychology, albeit with grains of truth.

Sidenote:
Another common trait is......homosexuality! But of course the hosts make special pronouncements that although the targets of these faggots were pre-teen boys, gay men are in no way predisposed to being attracted to prepubescents. No, it's all circumstantial. And their violence is attributed to society's refusal to accept their sexual perversions.

Incel murderers are losers. Gay murderers are lashing out against an unjust, judgmental society.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Abelard Lindsey - 07-19-2019 11:17 PM

(07-19-2019 05:20 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 04:06 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 03:55 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.

Of course we had the social revolution of the 60's and 70's. Its been my impression that the social scene has been relatively constant since that time. Is this not true? Has the dating game really changed in the last 10 years? I ask because I've not been in the (U.S.) dating game since 1989.

Yeah for sure it has...(in the west)- the number of kissable girls has probably halved(mainly obesity). It is kind of standard/easy to figure out from statistics and going out etc. But no one would admit it because as people said earlier in the thread it's not "socially intelligent" to. So just work it out from logic/first principles...

So, the biggest change over the past 10 years (as compared to 1985) is the rampant obesity that seems to be so common these days. Is this correct?

I have to say that people, especially young people, are significantly fatter than they were in 1985. From the moment I stepped off the plane at LAX, I began to notice this change in the 1990's.


RE: Inside The Secret World of Incels - New BBC Documentary - Yatagan - 07-19-2019 11:36 PM

(07-19-2019 11:17 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 05:20 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 04:06 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 03:55 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  
(07-19-2019 02:46 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't think this incel problem is anything new. There have always been guys who do not score with women.

Well it depends on what you mean by "problem" and "new". Of course losers often don't get girls, the problem becomes when relatively normal guys don't.

Of course we had the social revolution of the 60's and 70's. Its been my impression that the social scene has been relatively constant since that time. Is this not true? Has the dating game really changed in the last 10 years? I ask because I've not been in the (U.S.) dating game since 1989. It gives them quite an "abundance mentality".

Yeah for sure it has...(in the west)- the number of kissable girls has probably halved(mainly obesity). It is kind of standard/easy to figure out from statistics and going out etc. But no one would admit it because as people said earlier in the thread it's not "socially intelligent" to. So just work it out from logic/first principles...

So, the biggest change over the past 10 years (as compared to 1985) is the rampant obesity that seems to be so common these days. Is this correct?

I have to say that people, especially young people, are significantly fatter than they were in 1985. From the moment I stepped off the plane at LAX, I began to notice this change in the 1990's.

The biggest difference between dating now vs the 80s is the 'net and social media, with how girls have 24/7 attention and validation as a result (on top of what they get in person).