Post: #601

(01-08-2018 02:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I would have liked DV's post except for the fact that he was getting personal.

But herein lies the problem. We can be quite aware of exceptional members of a racial or ethnic minority, but what does it matter in a democracy when literally between 80-90 percent of that minority votes directly or indirectly for the fall of Western civilisation.

The alt right really has no concise realistic answers to anything. Their solution to the current immigrant citizen demographic is mass deportation or paying minorities off to leave. This is not only stupid but completely impractical. It's something that only morons would think up.

The other solution i've heard proposed is making things "so bad" that minorities automatically want to leave. Yeah..and what kind of chaos will that be for the nation?

What if a minority chooses to exercise their right as a citizen and refuses to leave? Murder them?

What would they propose to do with someone like me..a non white born on U.S. soil who is legally defined as a citizen, who embraces traditional conservative values, strict immigration, and the basic principles of the U.S.?

The answer from most alt righters: LOL gtfo dood!

So yeah.. there's no real workable ideology or debate to be had. Everything is viewed in term of zero sum race struggle with most of these guys.

They would be willing to make people stateless and deprive actual citizens of rights to pursue their end goals of an ethnostate. On one hand they are arguing for preservation of culture but on the other hand they would also not hesitate to absolutely deprive someone like me of my rights as a U.S. citizen if they could.

It doesn't matter that someone like me is not a dual citizen, has no criminal record, has been a productive person my whole life, and actually contributes. That's still meaningless to them.

To me all this stuff is just hypothetical mental scenario anyways. I agree with you that alt-right and its related white supremacist/nationalist policies have a dog fart's chance in U.S. history of ever becoming a major movement.

The funny thing is even if this _were_ to become a thing I haven't actively lived in the U.S. for almost a decade now anyways despite maintaining a business there. I still pay full taxes of course.

Post: #602

(01-08-2018 02:13 AM)Kona Wrote:  The altrighters that want it gone and forgotten that white people really went out of their way to keep black people down are the ones that confuse me.
Jim Crow laws, slavery, those things are part of white American heritage. White nationalists want to forget that part of their heritage, but tear down some statues, they get pissed.
Aloha!

I don't want it forgotten, I just want it to be excluded from its current use as a push towards socialism / communism.

It's that same reasoning why Baltimore schools can spend more per student than 95% of countries in the world, yet fail spectacularly and any mention of altering their funding is met with "but slavery! you owe us!". It's nonsensical.

And even if you believe a huge debt is still owed, who are you going to blame when USA becomes latino-majority soon? Who's going to pay? Those old rich white boomers will be gone soon. If anything you'd want to preserve this guilt-ridden relationship, but immigration is wiping this out quickly.
Latinos and muslims don't share any sort of sentimentality about black Americans (see southern California). You fail to see that only some white Christian countries even pretend to create a fair system for people to live in.

Most Asian / African / central American groups openly favor their own and they don't give 2 shits whether or not you think it's 'fair'. You can't guilt them into policy like you can whites.

The alt-right is no different from any other ethnic group and their innate human nature. Whether or not it's achievable doesn't alter their core emotions on the issue.
The key difference is, other than Japan no one is demanding entry into any other ethnic group's countries / schools / communities / neighborhoods.

Noone cares if they're ethno-centric because they have nothing enviable anyways.

Post: #603

(01-08-2018 02:50 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 02:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I would have liked DV's post except for the fact that he was getting personal.

But herein lies the problem. We can be quite aware of exceptional members of a racial or ethnic minority, but what does it matter in a democracy when literally between 80-90 percent of that minority votes directly or indirectly for the fall of Western civilisation.

The alt right really has no concise realistic answers to anything. Their solution to the current immigrant citizen demographic is mass deportation or paying minorities off to leave. This is not only stupid but completely impractical. It's something that only morons would think up.

The other solution i've heard proposed is making things "so bad" that minorities automatically want to leave. Yeah..and what kind of chaos will that be for the nation?

What if a minority chooses to exercise their right as a citizen and refuses to leave? Murder them?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israe...SKBN1ES0UY

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It's not ridiculous when it is Israel.
Also Japan took in 12 refugees in the last year.

The solutions are not impossible or moronic, but White dominated states have not done them for decades so they appear ludicrous.

Alas - it won't matter the goal of the globalists is to wipe out all white dominated countries so that they are not a majority in any of them in this century.

Israel will be whiter than the US or Netherlands in the next decades, but I guess that is fine and their "moronic" solutions are indeed ridiculous.

And I am a guy who believes in reincarnation and loves to bang girls of almost all tribes and races. I just like some cultures and see the treason there.

The Alt-Right always had a faulty ideology and even if some of their concerns were correct, they never had a chance. They would be infiltrated, they would end on the Nazi wagon and then they would become irrelevant. There is no way you can do anything on the bottom-up level. Top-down you can do a lot and Japan and Israel are doing it. It's just terrible when a country like Poland accepts 1.5 mio. Ukrainian immigrants, but somehow does not even want 10.000 from the Middle East. Racists all of them, eh?

Post: #604

(01-08-2018 03:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israe...SKBN1ES0UY

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It's not ridiculous when it is Israel.
Also Japan took in 12 refugees in the last year.

The solutions are not impossible or moronic, but White dominated states have not done them for decades so they appear ludicrous.

From what I gather those African migrants paid to leave were recent illegal arrivals and not full Israeli citizens yet. It's quite a leap to assume that such a thing would work the same for fully legal non white U.S. citizens.

It would require a complete retroactive application and amendment to U.S. citizenship. It would also have to strip rights away from a large percentage of people. How would laws even be changed to make this possible and where would these former U.S. citizens go?

Another problem with the alt right is it views everything in racial binary terms. There's no room at all for differentiating legal with illegal. If you're non white you just got to go as they often repeat.

However I will agree that an Israel type policy might actually work for getting rid of illegals in the U.S. who have zero legal rights to stay in the country if the border security was strong. However, if we're talking now in the present day it would simply be throwing money away since they could just stroll right across again.

Post: #605

(01-08-2018 02:50 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The alt right really has no concise realistic answers to anything. Their solution to the current immigrant citizen demographic is mass deportation or paying minorities off to leave. This is not only stupid but completely impractical. It's something that only morons would think up.

The other solution i've heard proposed is making things "so bad" that minorities automatically want to leave. Yeah..and what kind of chaos will that be for the nation?

What if a minority chooses to exercise their right as a citizen and refuses to leave? Murder them?

What would they propose to do with someone like me..a non white born on U.S. soil who is legally defined as a citizen, who embraces traditional conservative values, strict immigration, and the basic principles of the U.S.?

Let's assume I was the absolute ruler of the US.

First I would simply close the borders for all immigration until the unemployment rate is at 0-2%. Then I would enact a monetary reform and usher in interest free money creation under the Silvio Gsell modell. That would take care of unemployment rate which would go down to zero very fast while creating a true boom.

Then I would recognize that the US is a nice anglo-system and I would promote the a rise in the white population via respective immigration of that sort and strong population growth of those tribes. All other tribes and races would not be hindered to live the American Dream as the other.

I would also scrap all affirmative action and ban feminism and Antifa as negative ideologies. Promotion of strong families and the pride of fatherhood would be a prime example. If I see a certain racial or tribal group highly different in basic metrics like IQ, then I would enact a long-term plan of raising those levels to a comparable level so that those groups can compete easily with the others. This can be accomplished easily enough via positive eugenics of for example giving huge financial incentives for high-IQ fathers to sire as many children as possible. Extra cash if they are married and father lives at home with his own kids. But even the absentee baby daddy with an IQ of 120 is worth then more to the mother than a multiple ex-convict who fills the bad-boy tingles. I predict that this would change the makeup of the IQ of the respective tribes fast. After a few generations you could scrap the incentives because the IQs would have leveled up fast.

All the minorities would continue to live in a more or less harmonious manner in a still White-dominated Christian-mindset country.

But let's be serious - none of that will happen. It will be One World Government and a hogwash of hostile groups being thrown together while the elite are among their own with as little diversity as possible.

Also - needless to say - I have more in common with a Red Pilled masculine South American, African or Asian RVF-guy than a white Antifa supporter. And if I had to pick a guy to live next to me, then it would be of course the Red Pill man, but that is a different story.

Things can be done even in a harmonious way of retaining cultures, but we are in a culture destroying system and it's not the fault of the non-White immigrants.

Post: #606

(01-08-2018 02:50 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  ...
The alt right really has no concise realistic answers to anything. Their solution to the current immigrant citizen demographic is mass deportation or paying minorities off to leave. This is not only stupid but completely impractical. It's something that only morons would think up.

The other solution i've heard proposed is making things "so bad" that minorities automatically want to leave. Yeah..and what kind of chaos will that be for the nation?

What if a minority chooses to exercise their right as a citizen and refuses to leave? Murder them?

What would they propose to do with someone like me..a non white born on U.S. soil who is legally defined as a citizen, who embraces traditional conservative values, strict immigration, and the basic principles of the U.S.?

The answer from most alt righters: LOL gtfo dood!

So yeah.. there's no real workable ideology or debate to be had. Everything is viewed in term of zero sum race struggle with most of these guys.

They would be willing to make people stateless and deprive actual citizens of rights to pursue their end goals of an ethnostate do nothing that required them getting out of their mum's basement. On one hand they are arguing for preservation of culture but on the other hand they would also not hesitate to absolutely deprive someone like me of my rights as a U.S. citizen if they could.

It doesn't matter that someone like me is not a dual citizen, has no criminal record, has been a productive person my whole life, and actually contributes. That's still meaningless to them.

To me all this stuff is just hypothetical mental scenario anyways. I agree with you that alt-right and its related white supremacist/nationalist policies have a dog fart's chance in U.S. history of ever becoming a major movement.

The funny thing is even if this _were_ to become a thing I haven't actively lived in the U.S. for almost a decade now anyways despite maintaining a business there. I still pay full taxes of course.

One dedicated "wacist" white male would do more to further his cause by starting a successful small business and quietly employing five other fellow while male "wacists" than a hundred pathetic alt-right shiposters will ever achieve.

One El Chinoto loco pulls harder in the direction of civic nationalism, even in his geographic absence, than that same hundred pathetic alt-right shitposters can pull in the direction of a white ethno-state.

I at least have some intellectual respect for white separatists that concede they could not keep all of the USA under a white ethnostate. The ones that come up with plans for keeping the whole thing while getting rid of non-whites are just complete and utter morons living in fantasy land.

And that's just fine, because they will never so much as harm a hair on the head of any minority. Most of them are autistic virgins with no combat training who would be pressed to tip the scales at 120 pounds soaking wet, excepting of course the morbidly obese ones.

Do I think Western civilisation can pull out of this death spiral? No.

Is there any point martyring myself on the cross of racial politics in the meanwhile? Also no.

Post: #607

I might also add - contrary to what some in the Alt-Right think - most of those things mentioned above can be done in a kind and gentle way.

Why did assimilation in the US work so well? In the past the Italian or German coming over was proud to be an American now. He accepted some of the customs as good while retaining his pizza and excellent beer. A lot can be achieved by simply becoming proud of being an American and recreating a positive nation ideology.

"You can be proud of your Indian heritage, Sanjit and yes - you look different than the majority here. But you are now an American, we love you even while you look different. Now go and be a good American citizen and learn it's values and culture."

A lot can be achieved by a clever system and a strong nation-ideology that people love to be a part of. The only ideology that I would be tough on is Islam, but that is a different story. There are some ideologies that probably will never assimilate, because they are built that way - coming to conquer and dominate and they need to be fought. Germans - welcome, Nazi Germans who want to recreate the 1000-year-old-Reich in Nebraska - nope. It's as simple as that.

Post: #608

(01-08-2018 03:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I at least have some intellectual respect for white separatists that concede they could not keep all of the USA under a white ethnostate. The ones that come up with plans for keeping the whole thing while getting rid of non-whites are just complete and utter morons living in fantasy land.

And that's just fine, because they will never so much as harm a hair on the head of any minority. Most of them are autistic virgins with no combat training who would be pressed to tip the scales at 120 pounds soaking wet, excepting of course the morbidly obese ones.

The more realistic and useful purpose for the alt right would be to act as a counterbalance against the influence of Jews in politics, culture, media, etc.. It's a rather feeble counterbalance but it's better than nothing. The Jewish elite vs the alt right is still like Mike Tyson in his prime beating the shit out of some skinny loser in a bar fight. One side possesses the full legitimacy of the state, media, legal system, as well as vast financial resources. The alt right has "gas the jew" memes and a closeted gay leader.

They could also try to go after H1B and other forms of legal immigration by pushing for more "white" quotas to be enacted to halt the demographic bleed. Trump is already trending in that direction but maybe they can push for even stricter requirements. Unless they get substantial numbers in politics I don't see any way in for these guys.

The alt right likes to take credit for Trump but the reality is that besides a few memes here and there the American moderate and the right in general were sick of Obama's shit. The political pendulum is just swinging as it tends to do. Trump also has a cult of personality that goes way beyond any normal grassroots support.

The alt right couldn't even get Roy Moore in office in deep red Alabama and now it's trying again with Paul Nehlen who is a total alt-right guy. I imagine this will be a hilarious failure just like the first time around when Nehlen got trounced by uber neocon shill Paul Ryan.

Even if they manage to score a major win by putting in a sitting senator or two they will have to contend with the entire machine from both the left and right bearing down on them after that. Right now various government agencies are probably content to let them do their thing, sell their jew oven mittens, and make their opie and anthony knockoff podcasts.

I imagine things will start getting real sketchy with various warrants being served in the middle of the night and all kinds of agencies getting involved if they start even hinting at inroads into real avenues of power.

Post: #609

Scary thought. If groomed right Oprah could be a good candidate for the DNC and she already has a huge voter base. She is also delusional by being friends with the #metoo perpetrators.

Post: #610

(01-08-2018 10:57 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Scary thought. If groomed right Oprah could be a good candidate for the DNC and she already has a huge voter base. She is also delusional by being friends with the #metoo perpetrators.

Oprah is an idiot. No man will vote for her, only wheelchair bound disabled walmart shoppers. Upside is knowing dems are completely insane and unfit to rule a romper room.

Post: #611

(01-08-2018 03:08 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It's not ridiculous when it is Israel.
Also Japan took in 12 refugees in the last year.

The solutions are not impossible or moronic, but White dominated states have not done them for decades so they appear ludicrous.

Alas - it won't matter the goal of the globalists is to wipe out all white dominated countries so that they are not a majority in any of them in this century.

Israel will be whiter than the US or Netherlands in the next decades, but I guess that is fine and their "moronic" solutions are indeed ridiculous.

And I am a guy who believes in reincarnation and loves to bang girls of almost all tribes and races. I just like some cultures and see the treason there.

Black Pigeon Speaks and others have spoken about how WW2 has become the founding mythology of the west, replacing the earlier Christian founding myth, which replaced the earlier Roman founding myth.

Without a changing of that broad cultural conception, there is no path forward. There simply aren't enough people who believe that pre-WW2 Western Civilization is worthy of continued existence and is worth dying for.

And so we need another civilization shaking cataclysm so that a new foundation myth can supersede the old, WW2 myth where white European civilization committed the original sin.

Post: #612

(01-08-2018 11:30 AM)rpg Wrote:  

(01-08-2018 10:57 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Scary thought. If groomed right Oprah could be a good candidate for the DNC and she already has a huge voter base. She is also delusional by being friends with the #metoo perpetrators.

Oprah is an idiot. No man will vote for her, only wheelchair bound disabled walmart shoppers. Upside is knowing dems are completely insane and unfit to rule a romper room.

She is a rich black woman in the US who has a legion of followers across different demographs and moves in the right circles AND the DNC need a nuclear weapon against Trump.

And plenty of men would vote for her: whipped black men and liberal white men will vote for her in droves and lets not forget >>she is black<< and thats many times more dangerous than some old ball sack white bitch called Hillary who disliked Super Predators.

Either they have her for the next election or when Trump cannot defend his Presidency. She would decimate many republican candidates and if they got hilldawg that far then you really want to see a healthy candidate with a big ego and bigger mouth go up on stage?

You shouldn't dismiss her over some personal feelings.

Post: #613

The problem with leftist entrepreneurs like Oprah / Zuckerberg / etc is their first business made them billionaires so they assume it's that easy for every other business. They feel guilty with their wealth so they promote socialism and other destructive policies. The women's vote alone would give oprah a solid chance of winning. They will be seduced by her 'humanity' (not noticing she lives in gated compounds) and that will be enough to sway them.

Post: #614

I am astounded at the ignorance of those on the right that say "oh oprah please run, she will be steamrolled!!."

A non politician on the dem ticket has the best chance at beating Trump. Oprah will be like obama 2.0 but can literally say anything and get away with it because she is, like trump, a TV personality.

Her biggest problem would be actually winning the dem primary. The dem primary will be the ultimate Marxist olympics. Anyone to the right of free healthcare, free college, 2 million migrants, 1 millions refugees, corporate taxes at 50%, those earning 150k+ at 45% and destruction of the newly constructed Trump wall will be a Nazi.

Its going to be even more difficult for the media to rig this for her. She doesn't have the deep-state connections that hilary had. If she somehow does defeat the marxist candidate then she has a good shot at beating trump.

Post: #615

(01-08-2018 09:04 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  The more realistic and useful purpose for the alt right would be to act as a counterbalance against the influence of Jews in politics, culture, media, etc.. It's a rather feeble counterbalance but it's better than nothing. The Jewish elite vs the alt right is still like Mike Tyson in his prime beating the shit out of some skinny loser in a bar fight. One side possesses the full legitimacy of the state, media, legal system, as well as vast financial resources. The alt right has "gas the jew" memes and a closeted gay leader.

They could also try to go after H1B and other forms of legal immigration by pushing for more "white" quotas to be enacted to halt the demographic bleed. Trump is already trending in that direction but maybe they can push for even stricter requirements. Unless they get substantial numbers in politics I don't see any way in for these guys.

Such a step is what I talked above as well. Don't need to throw out anyone. You could even magnanimously give the current taxpaying illegals citizenship, but then close the borders for them for a long time.

If you wanted more Blondes - then just open the borders to Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, whites needing and wanting to flee the utopian regimes of Mugabe and South African ANC.

I would also magnanimously expand a free-one-way-ticket for every hot young girl below 30 who wants to come to the US. Unsatisfied in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, India, or China? Go to the nearest US embassy or call the toll-free hotline. Our trained personnel will assess your physical and mental qualifications - if found worthy, then you will be picked up and sent to the US. We will even help you change your identity if you are in danger of being honor-killed. Of course any hot 7+ Persian, Indian or Brazilian girl will be issued instant flights to the sausage-fest of the West.

And she cannot take her family with her - unless she has hot sisters.

That must continue until there is some gender-equilibrium established like in the early 1970s - that means millions of young women for the US. Add to it the Ukrainian, Russian and Eastern European ones who might flock in, then I think that this immigration policy would be very popular - even among the black and Latino brothers who may partake in the bonanza.

After some time you could again open the borders more to other tribes and races, after the population of blondes and redheads has been sufficiently bulked up again - heh.

Ah well - I would be a fun dictator.

Post: #616

(01-08-2018 02:07 PM)8ball Wrote:  I am astounded at the ignorance of those on the right that say "oh oprah please run, she will be steamrolled!!."

A non politician on the dem ticket has the best chance at beating Trump. Oprah will be like obama 2.0 but can literally say anything and get away with it because she is, like trump, a TV personality.

Her biggest problem would be actually winning the dem primary. The dem primary will be the ultimate Marxist olympics. Anyone to the right of free healthcare, free college, 2 million migrants, 1 millions refugees, corporate taxes at 50%, those earning 150k+ at 45% and destruction of the newly constructed Trump wall will be a Nazi.

Its going to be even more difficult for the media to rig this for her. She doesn't have the deep-state connections that hilary had. If she somehow does defeat the marxist candidate then she has a good shot at beating trump.

Oprah would be a formidable opponent, if she gets permission from above. First lesbian black female president with the progressives flocking to her like crazy.

But alas - we don't know whether the globalists need Trump to fight a war with Iran. Such things are usually better done with a strong man "in charge". So they may block her candidacy and put up a weak candidate in order for Trump to win.

Post: #617

There is not going to be a war with Iran, this is all just talk. 10 years from now after the saudi fund is at the lowest level then you might have an all out muslim war Iran vs SA, which will make the syrian conflict look small in comparison.


The only war that might occur, is another Israeli - Hezbollah mini conflict that will likely be over in 6-12 weeks not accomplishing anything accept to test out new Isreali weapons and strategy as well as the new strength and experience of Hezbollah.

Post: #618

(01-08-2018 02:07 PM)8ball Wrote:  I am astounded at the ignorance of those on the right that say "oh oprah please run, she will be steamrolled!!."

A non politician on the dem ticket has the best chance at beating Trump. Oprah will be like obama 2.0 but can literally say anything and get away with it because she is, like trump, a TV personality.

Her biggest problem would be actually winning the dem primary. The dem primary will be the ultimate Marxist olympics. Anyone to the right of free healthcare, free college, 2 million migrants, 1 millions refugees, corporate taxes at 50%, those earning 150k+ at 45% and destruction of the newly constructed Trump wall will be a Nazi.

Its going to be even more difficult for the media to rig this for her. She doesn't have the deep-state connections that hilary had. If she somehow does defeat the marxist candidate then she has a good shot at beating trump.

Since when does the people behind hillary and Co need someone with actual political strings? Hillary was a useful patsy and was a shoe in for the first female POTUS but was only in that position through being in Washington for so long and her personal backers wanted it.

It didn't happen.

I say right now is a good time to get a candidate warmed up till Trump cannot contend. Any sooner will be rushing. I'm pretty sure those in charge will not allow the DNC morons to fuck this up again and will have someone else leading from the shadows.

Most of them are on the way out through old age so they will be easy to push aside. The DNC will have a superstar candidate one way or the other.

Post: #619

The marxist left has been emboldened and foolishly believes that Bernie would have won the election. They will be ruthless on anyone being flexible on their issues. On top of this they have actually made it easier for anyone to register as a democrat, sometimes even lowering the age in order to attract move voters. All these moves hurt the corporate stooge democrat.

I am not sure you have watched the debates for head of dnc, the term "cringe worthy" doesn't even begin to describe what went on, we need a whole new dictionary for what they were saying.

In the Dem 2019-2020 primary season, you will have candidates on stage raising their hand and pledging to bring back all of the people trump would have deported by then, destroy the wall and declare the entire country a sanctuary state. The crowd will stomp all over those that don't pledge.

Primary voters tend to be more fringe or as the msm describes them "passionate." the candidates promising no tuition, free baby sitters and more muslims will win the day.

Post: #620

Oprah being a possibility in the primaries and the election relies entirely on an interview process that's undoubtedly already happened (several times).

A deep state agent highly skilled in psychological analysis has a "conversation" with Oprah wherein he mentally catalogues virtually every word, pitch, nuance and twitch of her muscles, along with the meat of the conversation, all for the purpose of determining whether she can be "brought to heel".

If the answer to that question is "yes" then she will invariably be the next candidate, and if that happens then she has an extremely good chance of beating Trump in 2020 IF Trump fails to make serious and commonly visible gains by then.

p.s. There's no way the "Bernie Bros" are going to stand up against a black woman. They will fall in line instantly.

Post: #621

Sarah Sanders needs to do this.

Post: #622

So you are all aware, the missile warning that went out to Oahu today was completely false.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/13...eat-alert/

I'm not there, but apparently there was widespread panic.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/arti...stake.html

According to my sources they shut down the airport and scrambled the f22s. According to my grandma, who was very frightened, this is the work of "those damn haoles" but no one official has said what went wrong.

The missile warning now has zero credibility.

Aloha!

Post: #623

< What you gonna do with a real missile warning?

Even if North Korea fires 5 missiles on the US, then it's likely that they will be intercepted before they reach the mainland. And even if it does, then it will be a smoking heap of ash before the first connects with the US.

It's not as if you can run away from it anyway - might as well enjoy the sunny day at the beach.

Post: #624

(01-13-2018 02:46 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  < What you gonna do with a real missile warning?

Even if North Korea fires 5 missiles on the US, then it's likely that they will be intercepted before they reach the mainland. And even if it does, then it will be a smoking heap of ash before the first connects with the US.

Somebody had to have hacked it. It was the phone amber alert style warning which triggered a few sirens. They've had the tsunami and hurricane warnings my whole life, and I remember one mistake about 20 years ago. We've had the missile warning maybe two months and already a mistake? I doubt it.

People don't realize the entire missile defense program is based in Hawaii. Either that is a failure, or its all fear mongering.

Aloha!

Post: #625

(01-08-2018 02:25 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I would have liked DV's post except for the fact that he was getting personal.

But herein lies the problem. We can be quite aware of exceptional members of a racial or ethnic minority, but what does it matter in a democracy when literally between 80-90 percent of that minority votes directly or indirectly for the fall of Western civilisation.

Go further and we can say "much of a muchness" because unchecked Republican governments would still build a police state and sell their constituents to the highest bidder, though they might do it on a longer timeframe.

You could argue that absent minorities the Overton window would shift toward the Authoritarian Right vs the Libertarian Right, but how would a Libertarian Right justify racial qualifiers for immigration or citizenship?

Not that any of it matters anyway. Heartiste nor his followers nor any of the white supremacists, seperatists or race realists are going to gain traction this side of a total collapse. Any ethnic enclave that rises in the future can only do so in the absence of the old order. There is literally no sane or believable roadmap for this to happen under the auspices of the current Federal government, at which point you are left to ask how many of these people exist, and what percentage of them are willing to fight a bloody civil war for this new territory?

The numbers, you'll find, are laughably small (and wildly scattered more to the point). The US Federal Postal service could put down an uprising of that size. White separatists are too lazy or unmotivated to even form deliberate regional enclaves and resort to semi-legal coercion to keep their districts "pure". The sad fact is that if most of them were earning mid-6-figures they would move to a rich area and immediately cease to give a fuck about their cause, because those issues no longer affected them.

Want a bigger laugh? Those people have a better chance of living in whiteville, either here or abroad, by trying to make that money rather than bitching on the internet. One of those courses has a chance. The other by definition has zero.

That's not to say that awareness of these issues is not without merit. If we undergo a collapse then we need to have an understanding of what went wrong and why so we can rebuild in a sensible way that doesn't lead us down the same path. It's for that reason that I continually advocate for something like military service to earn a right to vote (despite that meaning I would get no vote). There will always be genius shysters manipulating moronic dregs, even in a racially homogeneous nation. The long term survival of a democracy would seem to require a limited franchise large enough not to be bought outright but small enough not to include the simps.

p.s. tl/dr There is no point getting worked up about things you and your limited number of fellows cannot change. Focus on how to survive/thrive during the inevitable shitshow and build something better afterward.

Screaming at strangers on the internet achieves nothing.

This is legitimate -- but my problem isn't really with the genuine white separatists/supremacists. People like them exist in some form in every society on earth. They aren't the problem at hand here.

The problem is when Heartiste and other major alt-right platforms start expressing these views, or when people like Richard Spencer associate themselves with the alt-right.

This is bad because it puts the actual racism of these people into the same political camp as people who want stricter borders, a harder approach to radical Islam, and a strengthening of family values in the west.

The political character of the right, at this moment, includes everyone from PUA's to neo-nazis. I suggest that we strongly condemn the neo nazis and actual racists (take public stances against them, ban them from forums) while sticking to our guns regarding family values, immigration, and the gender dynamic in America.

The thing is that optics actually do matter. Like I said repeatedly earlier in the thread, there are millions of moderates or political people in the states who agree with 85% of what the alt right is saying. They don't want to cuck for refugees, they look down on SJW's, and they don't want their kids being taught perverted nonsense in school.

At the same time, these people (many of whom are non-white) will be utterly repulsed by the actual racism and regressive views of some aspects of the right. Even if that racism never gains traction, it will still hamstring the movement and prevent it from being completely dominant in American society.

Civic nationalism really is the only future possible for America. This is what our site and the alt-right should push for if they really want a better future for the country. Racism discredits the entire conservative movement and gives the left effective ammunition against us.