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(10-06-2019 10:14 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  Sikh peer accuses BBC of 'prejudice' as he quits Radio 4 show after 35 years
Quote:A prominent British Sikh has quit his role with the BBC after 35 years in protest after the public broadcaster said some of his talks "might offend Muslims".

Lord Singh of Wimbledon will no longer deliver Thought for the Day on BBC Radio 4.

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Known by listeners as Indarjit Singh, the journalist has been accused the corporation of "prejudice and intolerance", according to The Times.

His comments came after the BBC tried to stop Lord Singh from broadcasting an item commemorating an executed Sikh guru "because it might offend Muslims".

The Sikh guru cited had opposed the forced conversion of Hindus to Islam under the Mughal emperors of India in the 17th century.

However, the script, which was broadcast in November last year, had contained no criticism of Islam.

Lord Singh told The Times: "It was like saying to a Christian that he or she should not talk about Easter for fear of giving offence to the Jews."


The BBC is understood to have allowed Lord Singh to read the script only after he threatened to leave the Radio 4 slot rather than have his religion's teachings "insulted in this way".

The 87-year-old crossbench peer subsequently filed a complaint about the way he had been treated, claiming it was not the first time he had been prevented by the BBC from addressing subjects important to the Sikh faith.

The complaint was ultimate rejected after BBC director of radio James Purnell ordered a review.

Thought for the Day has been part of Radio 4's Today programme since 1970.

The decision by Lord Singh to quit follows a row over comments made by BBC breakfast host Naga Munchetty about US president Donald Trump that prompted the corporation to initially partially uphold a complaint against its own presenter.

Lord Singh said: "The need for sensitivity in talking about religious. political or social issues has now been taken to absurd proportions with telephone insistence on trival textual changes right up to going into the studio, making it difficult to say anything worthwhile.

"The aim of Thought for the Day has changed from giving an ethical input to social and political issues to the recital of religious platitudes and the avoidance of controversy with success measured by the absence of complaints.

"I believe Guru Nanak [the founder of Sikhism] and Jesus Christ, who boldy raised social concerns while stressing tolerance and respect, would not be allowed near Thought for the Day today."


A celebrated interfaith activist, Lord Singh went on to accuse the BBC of "a misplaced sense of political correctness".

He claimed in 2011 he had told told to scrap plans to talk about the birthday of Guru Nanak and instead discuss the "forthcoming marriage of Prince William with Kate".

"I reluctantly agreed to do so, to the upset of many Sikh listeners," he said.

BBC director general Lord Hall of Birkenhead said in a statement he had every confidence in the slot and that Lord Singh might seek a solution using "the BBC's complaints process".

That is probably a lie told by the Sikh guy. Most likely the BBC stopped airing it because what he was airing made no sense. Seriously, airing something about some obscure guru from a faith that has no history in Britain is just a waste of time. If I was a British taxpayer I would be scratching my head on why its on the television. Then he compared it to not airing something about Easter which is a laughable comparison. Christianity is a major foundation in Britain and Easter is a major event in the Christian religion. There are thousands of people who have been killed for not converting to a religion. If he felt that his religious teachings were insulted it is because he is not part of religion, but a cult. Only cult members would get so mad over something so insignificant. He is just using Islam as a scapegoat in this scenario. I don't why Sikh people have this sense of feeling that their religion is superior than Islam. Sikhism is as culty as Islam.
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(10-07-2019 11:03 AM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  That is probably a lie told by the Sikh guy. Most likely the BBC stopped airing it because what he was airing made no sense. Seriously, airing something about some obscure guru from a faith that has no history in Britain is just a waste of time. If I was a British taxpayer I would be scratching my head on why its on the television. Then he compared it to not airing something about Easter which is a laughable comparison. Christianity is a major foundation in Britain and Easter is a major event in the Christian religion. There are thousands of people who have been killed for not converting to a religion. If he felt that his religious teachings were insulted it is because he is not part of religion, but a cult. Only cult members would get so mad over something so insignificant. He is just using Islam as a scapegoat in this scenario. I don't why Sikh people have this sense of feeling that their religion is superior than Islam. Sikhism is as culty as Islam.

I have to disagree with you. Sikhism is nowhere near as cultlike as Islam - in fact most Sikh men don't even wear a turban. If a Sikh person chooses to convert to another relgion, they're not going to get killed for it.

Sikhs are also a long established community and fought in the British Army in both World Wars. They're highly respected in the UK.

The fact of the matter is that he's not allowed to say a historical fact, which is that Muslims killed Sikhs who refused to convert to Islam. The BBC are the biggest bunch of Islamic cocksuckers out there, and they won't even allow somebody to state a historical fact:

Quote:They were then brought to Sirhind in the presence of Wazir Khan, the Nawab of Sirhind.

The two sons of Guru Gobind Singh, Zorawar (9 years old) and Fateh (6 years old) were offered safe passage if they became Muslims. Both refused, and so Wazir Khan sentenced them to death. They were bricked alive.
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Looks like they're not going to vote on it today after all.

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Surprised there isn't much discussion here considering it's now six days till the election.

The polls are indicating a small Conservative majority, which is better than what we currently have. Although the new Brexit Deal is somewhat questionable (with Northern Ireland essentially being lopped off from the UK) the good news is that we would supposedly leave the EU by the end of 2020, regardless of whether a final agreement has been reached or not. No Deal would therefore still be on the table.

That said, it's slightly disappointing that the Brexit Party aren't running in historical Conservative strongholds, but at least the two parties have essentially created a brexit coalition, something which the left parties have been unable to do.

As for the other parties, it astounds me that Labour are still polling so high. I just can't see how anyone with a modicum of intelligence doesn't realise that Labour's plans would decimate the UK's economy and effectively turn the country into a Socialist state. Just take a look at some of their ideas - Seizing 10% of large firms’ equity; phasing in a four-day week, supposedly with no loss of pay; nationalising several industries etc. All of these ideas are farfetched and not grounded in reality. It would be foolish to try and implement failed 1970's policies.

As for the Liberal Democrats, or should I say Illiberal Undemocrats, their proposed economic approach is fairly reasonable - a fairly moderate increase in public spending funded by small tax increases. Yet, they're proposing to reverse Brexit unilaterally, completely going against the democratic will of 17.4 million voters. This has deservedly backfired and it's reflected in the polls.

Here's hoping to a Tory majority this time next week.
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Wikipedia Wrote:The Brexit party styles itself as being focused on the restoration of Britain's democratic sovereignty. On contesting the 2019 European Parliament election it became the largest party by number of seats. Farage offered an electoral pact to the Conservative Party for the 2019 general election, and although this was turned down, the party has decided not to stand candidates in constituencies won by Conservative candidates in the previous election.

Final predictions for the December 13th 2019 General Election

Conservatives 339
Labour Party 231
SNP 41
Lib. Democrats 15
Plaid Cymru 4
Green Party 1
Brexit Party 0
Others 19

I don't get it? What's the point of having a political party if you don't participate in elections? Or is it that they're participating, but the British public is too cucked to vote for them?

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(12-11-2019 08:13 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  I don't get it? What's the point of having a political party if you don't participate in elections? Or is it that they're participating, but the British public is too cucked to vote for them?

What's the point of having nukes if you don't fire them?

The British first-past-the-post election system punishes two similar parties splitting the vote, so the Tories have went all-in on Brexit in part to stop BXP running against them.

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Only in your case, both Tories and Labor represent hacked ICBMs that are going to detonate on British soil unless the intrepid MI6 agent (Brexit Party) stops them.

Labor gets elected, there's no Brexit and the country goes to shit. Tories get elected, there's no Brexit and the country goes to shit. If anything, that's more of a reason for the Brexit Party to participate in elections and gain some sway, not less. What am I getting wrong?

Quote:The British first-past-the-post election system punishes two similar parties splitting the vote

That doesn't seem to have stopped the SNP, Liberal Democrats and whomever these other clowns are from running and using their split vote to blackmail the big party into concessions.

If running in an election is good enough for Jo Swinson, why isn't it good enough for Nigel Farage?

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(12-12-2019 02:07 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  That doesn't seem to have stopped the SNP, Liberal Democrats and whomever these other clowns are from running and using their split vote to blackmail the big party into concessions.

If running in an election is good enough for Jo Swinson, why isn't it good enough for Nigel Farage?

Because Farage has already won what he wants from Johnson. UKIP tried to win a national campaign, and got 1 seat with 13% of the national vote. (For reference, Labour got 258 for 29%). The SNP benefit from having their support concentrated together in Scotland.

Because Jo Swinson is a fuckwit opportunist, who's using remainer tantrums to steal a few seats, even if it means shooting Remain in the foot.

And yes, the LibDems are fuckwits.
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It was a real disappointment that Farage chose not to run candidates in Conservative seats. The Conservative party is a dead party with no clear direction or unifying purpose, and its existence is perpetuated by a lack of alternatives, and the frequency with which it is the least worst option.

I hope to be wrong on my earlier prediction, that this one will go to the left, but at the moment I am not confident. Nervous 12 hours or so now. Farage's choice not to run his party was, I feel, a political misstep. I actually think it would have been for the long term good of the country, even if it ended up being a short term wound to Brexit. Farage has always been about Brexit, so I respect his steadfastness in sticking to a position, but it would have been to the long term benefit of a wider Brexit-believing demographic had he grabbed a little more ruthlessly for power, influence, and the chance to strike a mortal blow to the Cons.

We are faced with the prospect that Labour/left coalition will get in any way. At that point, rather than having (for what would be the first time in a century) a real political choice to mobilise behind, we face the prospect of the same impotent Conservative party riddled with internal factions that believe wildly different things, no Brexit, and no competent opposition.
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I think the irony is that Corbyn might be more pro-Brexit than Johnson, who is more of a globalist than Corbyn, and an Israel firster to boot.

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The Brexit Party are just neoliberal Tories on steroids. Fuck them. Labour are anti white so fuck them. Tories are globalist so fuck them. Wish there was a proper third position nationalist party to get behind. But even if there was, our electoral system makes it impossible for them to win anything.

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The only benefit of proportional voting, it seems, is that it hastens to demise of the mainstream parties.

In countries where there is proportional voting like Germany and The Netherlands, the coalition partners just end up as damp squibs to the mainstream parties. They have virtually no effect.

Britain is sometimes said to be one of the worst in Europe, but on economics its the least left-wing country in The EU in Northern Europe. On social policy it's as bad as many of the other worse offenders, but Dishonest Dave was still the only cuck in Europe who largely held the fort against The Merkel Enrichment.

The benefit comes when one of the alt- parties eclipses the mainstream parties, at which point the mainstream party withers. As seen in Italy.

I think that is a fate that most if not all countries in Europe will have, if they haven't already.

In Germany The CDU/CSU is being propped up by oldies. SPD has already popped, giving way to Die Linken/Grun. Post- the next financial crash it could require The CDU/CSU, SPD, Die Linken and/or Grun in a coalition, or no government.

A similar case across European proportional representation countries, where deep debilitating is coming as the old parties kill themselves with globalism.

I didn't turn out for this and wouldn't have even for The Brexit Party.

One positive is that Boris is sailing into a recession, which the left will put squarely at his fault and not deal in serious terms on the ensuing austerity. The polling for all the other hapless contenders in the Tory leadership race were abysmal. Their second choices are slimeballs like Gove and weaklings like Stewart. Without Boris we would be heading straight for an even more hung Parliament or a second referendum.

Formerly Labour and The Illiberal Autocrats are both devoid of anything and are full of soft babies. Lib Dems have struggled terribly for leaders for some time. They've got no one line Boris, who I don't like, but he is the last man standing who can get a majority.

Of course many lefty twats will keep voting for Labour no matter what, but the party is in serious trouble, having been taken over by a lefty membership who want to cast of the softer members.

Gridlock, calamity and haplessness are what we can look forward to.
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It's all a game to present useless options. Labour and Libs are commies and the Tories are cucks. The Brexit party are civ-nats and cucked as well. At least they refuse to stand against incumbent Tories, hopefully preventing Corbin from sweeping in. But maybe Corbin as an accelerant would be a good thing? The longer it takes the worse the demographics will be stacked against us.

No party will ever have the balls to do what is necessary. Even if we leave the EU the present demographic situation and birthrate trends make full societal breakdown all but certain within a few decades. The politicians will try to contain things by ramping up the police state but this will ultimately fail. The welfare system is going to run out of money and then the SHTF.

Current UK politics is the re-arranging of the deckchairs on the Titanic. An effective political solution has to drastically reverse demographics with mass deportations. No democratically elected politician will ever do it. The population at large is way too liberal. All my friends are liberal compared to myself and I live in a very conservative area.

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^ Yep. The normies are brainwashed with 'Raheem Sterling is as English as Harry Kane.' We're miles off our ideas being normalised.

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(12-12-2019 10:13 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  It was a real disappointment that Farage chose not to run candidates in Conservative seats. The Conservative party is a dead party with no clear direction or unifying purpose, and its existence is perpetuated by a lack of alternatives, and the frequency with which it is the least worst option.

I hope to be wrong on my earlier prediction, that this one will go to the left, but at the moment I am not confident. Nervous 12 hours or so now. Farage's choice not to run his party was, I feel, a political misstep. I actually think it would have been for the long term good of the country, even if it ended up being a short term wound to Brexit. Farage has always been about Brexit, so I respect his steadfastness in sticking to a position, but it would have been to the long term benefit of a wider Brexit-believing demographic had he grabbed a little more ruthlessly for power, influence, and the chance to strike a mortal blow to the Cons.

We are faced with the prospect that Labour/left coalition will get in any way. At that point, rather than having (for what would be the first time in a century) a real political choice to mobilise behind, we face the prospect of the same impotent Conservative party riddled with internal factions that believe wildly different things, no Brexit, and no competent opposition.


I think we can relax now, the exit poll is usually fairly accurate:

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I know this is still far from ideal in the grand scheme of things, but thank God Corbyn appears to be out of the picture now.
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Labour sub-200, largest Tory majority since 1986
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How long until the outcries for another vote, a people’s vote, keep voting until you get the outcome you want

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A sad day for conservatives. The Liberal Globalist party Tories won, and UKIP is eliminated.
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(12-12-2019 11:59 AM)Teedub Wrote:  The Brexit Party are just neoliberal Tories on steroids. Fuck them. Labour are anti white so fuck them. Tories are globalist so fuck them. Wish there was a proper third position nationalist party to get behind. But even if there was, our electoral system makes it impossible for them to win anything.

Pretty much. It's a choice between Kang and Kodos and Kodos and Kang.
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(12-12-2019 05:51 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  How long until the outcries for another vote, a people’s vote, keep voting until you get the outcome you want

The libs on Twitter are very dejected for now. There's a lot of anger at Jerry for throwing this and there's a lot of the same sort of comments from the luvies that have turned the conservative party into the labour party.

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This is a trend that I think can only accelerate. It will be interesting to see the class analysis on this result. There was a 7% shift of working class voters from labour to conservative in 2017, from 2015. We're looking at the same again.

Easy path forward to endless victory, with the only possible stumbling block being the economy, for the conservative party. You just know they won't take it. Labour have pished their middle class - working class alliance away. Something that is very hard to build, as the groups do not naturally mix. The conservatives have built that alliance largely by accident.
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We just need to divide this 'country' up into smaller polities where everyone can have somewhere where they belong and the ((establishment)) can't get their hands into every piece.

I'm not talking about separatism, just something in between the individual and the 'country'. This is the solution to all the problems facing the Left and the Right. Only the ((establishment)) will lose out.

National elections have no place in modern society, because modern Western societies are not a singular cohesive society like they once were.

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This result should finally shut up those condescending remoaners that were endlessly calling for a second referendum because the British public didn't fully understand the issues. The salt from this is going to be glorious. I bet the BBC are seething.

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