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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
(09-10-2019 02:11 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I think you made the right call. But I am seeing a couple more red flags, at least what would be red flags for me:
- If she lost her virginity at 13, that is a red flag.
- If she has had 10 One Night Stands, that is a red flag

Yes, these were part of the horror tales that were invisible red flags until she told me. Had I known before I would have jumped the ship earlier.
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I am hopeful that more men would screen their LTR's this way, and reduce their chances of getting cucked or divorce raped on the long term. With hard work and persistence, this could be an international phenomenon within 5 years. Let all sluts know that they do not deserve quality men and their resources.
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(09-11-2019 07:50 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If a woman has pre-marital sex, how "good" can she really be? She has zero control over her lusts, just like you. When you stop fornicating, you start to train your eyes to notice a different type of girl.
(09-11-2019 12:58 AM)Tikimalore Wrote:  How do you find a girl which is over 25 with less than 10 different sex partners ? Nearly impossible.

Then it comes down to the eternal question of what is a good notch count for a woman.
3? 4?
The difference between 3 and 10 is time. Her views of sex are already screwed for life with the the first couple hookups. If a girl is not religious, she's already a slut in heart. It's one man against society. Even having parents with intact family won't help a thing anymore.

I would not settle for a non virgin with the intent to spend the rest of the life with her. That was first my foolish intent with this woman, because of her conservative appearance. I knew she was not a virgin as she is an atheist woman in 2019, but I was so stupid to think her self proclaimed "forever single" meant that she had problems finding a suitable, masculine bf from all the beta males. Maybe she's been with a couple dudes in her life, it's only maybe a 3 guys and not from bars, I thought.

Perhaps my opinions will change as years go by and the difficulty becomes a realization, or maybe they won't and I will become the old man here talking about looking unicorns. For now it's no hymen no diamond.

Who here has actually followed the advice that Roosh laid out here for any meaningful period of time?

I don't think you can live like a heathen only looking for women in the worst possible places in the west and still bitch that there aren't any unicorns to be found.

The forum is taking a turn but right now it seems like there is more theory being discussed than anything else. It's going to take some guys actually hitting the ground with these new ideas to see what's possible.

Just like the old game where you had to log a lot of approaches, this new game will require similar discipline and persistence but in a different manner.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. For guys in our position, I honestly don't know how realistic it is to set our sights immediately on finding virgins. Current state, are we the kind of men who deserve to have them? If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?

Let's be honest about the situation on the ground right now. Like it or not, right now the virgin brides are mostly going to the going to young virgin husbands, highschool sweethearts, etc. Last night my mom told me about her co-worker's daughter getting married at 18 to a guy who she had been with for years in high school.

You can't just decide one day to play the new game and expect virgins anymore than you could just decide to become a playboy and slay 10s in the old game.

One thing I committed to as my relationship with my fiance was ending was that wouldn't let the breakup poison my mind. The last thing I need is to be infected with a doomer mentality.
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(09-11-2019 12:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  She has little control over some of her lusts, just like you.

I modified your quote, so it applies to everyone... being that we are fallen and fallible.

Some thoughts about the various responses in this thread:

- I assume that the men with high expectations here are also aware of their own shortcomings and are working on being the kind of man who could create a good life with their ideal woman

- there are plenty of sins beyond lust that are just as destructive... a 28 year old female virgin clearly has pride and communication issues that make her a bigger red flag to me than an attractive younger chick with past sexual partners (if family and virginity are so important, why didn't the virgin or her parents find her a partner and have babies before she got so old???)

- it's very important to have an ideal to pursue, and a theoretical checklist... for any endeavor... but at a certain point you need to interact with the chick over a period of time to see if she is capable of loving and committing (and believe it or not, plenty of non-virgins are... both men and women) based on her ongoing actions in the real world

- since the forum switch, there have been a lot of "I broke up with my gf/fiance" comments, and while I'm sure a solid portion of them were a result of a healthy wake up call, it also stands to reason that some of them were just backwards rationalizing noncommittment with some combination of our version of virtue signaling plus a touch of the old Seinfeld superficiality (eg. breaking up with someone because of how they eat peas, etc).
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(09-11-2019 07:50 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  Then it comes down to the eternal question of what is a good notch count for a woman.
3? 4?
The difference between 3 and 10 is time. Her views of sex are already screwed for life with the the first couple hookups. If a girl is not religious, she's already a slut in heart. It's one man against society. Even having parents with intact family won't help a thing anymore.

I would not settle for a non virgin with the intent to spend the rest of the life with her. That was first my foolish intent with this woman, because of her conservative appearance. I knew she was not a virgin as she is an atheist woman in 2019, but I was so stupid to think her self proclaimed "forever single" meant that she had problems finding a suitable, masculine bf from all the beta males. Maybe she's been with a couple dudes in her life, it's only maybe a 3 guys and not from bars, I thought.

If you want to meet a girl with a notch count in the single digits, you have to catch her in the final years of high school. The second she gets in college and become free.... it's game over.

It's too easy for them to have sex. All they have to do is show up and say yes. Even the girls who look so innocent, shy, and religious she is getting her back blowned out behind close doors. Trying to find an adult women with just 3 or 4 past partners is nothing but a wild goose chase.

That's why i say if you can't face this true reality, just become a monk.
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Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

Inferior Game + Inferior Genetics = Incel
Superior Game + Inferior Genetics = Incel

Inferior Game + Average Genetics = Friend zone
Superior Game + Average Genetics = Beta Bucks
Inferior Game + Superior Genetics = Alpha
Superior Game + Superior Genetics = Game of Life: now on EASY mode
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I completely judge a woman by her notch count - the nature of the hooksups - and then status of the men. You were right to break up - her past behavior is a symptom of a deeper issue - her values, how she thinks, how her parents raised her. I have not dated a hundred girls strictly on her who last bf was. If you are a 1%’er - it’s easy to be demanding and picky
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(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?
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(09-12-2019 02:13 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?

Even today many girls instinctively understand that having too high a notch-count is somehow bad.

But the thing is this - all her environment, media, entertainment, society tells her to be strong independent and that doing porn or having a sugar daddy is great.

Compare it to let's say Europe 1915 or rural USA 1930s :

+ everyone from society to media expects a woman to be virginal at marriage - it's expected
+ entire society and family is watching out for it - if she bangs a dude, then a shotgun wedding is not uncommon with him
+ if she bangs one, then the family in some instances may view her as tainted or she may be even shunned
+ all her girlfriends and sisters are virgins and talk about marriage all the time precisely because they want to bang

Thus such a society is highly different. Even if we assume that our current tech would give women more freedom, then society could have similar expactations and could even list scientific reasons for women to better stay virginal until marriage.

Currently we are just dominated by a bunch of Satanists who want to fuck up stable societies. That there are any virgins left aged 18-22 is frankly more a testimony to female instincts which tell them to wait for Mr Right.

Though as others noted - even if it's a virgin, if she starts believing in the propaganda, then she may be wondering what she missed out and may divorce a guy anyway. The odds simply are against marriage stability.

The Amish for example work because they have their entire eco-system based on that - so do Muslim societies to a great degree.
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Well ; follow your instinct .
I think we may forgive some women who had no frame / no father and made some mistakes but have awareness that it was wrong .
It s all about being aware that being a bitch/slut is wrong .
You cannot expect from a woman to be virgin and have made zero mistake in a society which puts her on a pedestal and after sexual revolution.

My advice is to not care so much about the looks ( as long as she is not very fat ) but focus on a woman who wants to marry and have kids . This is the only thing which will make the difference .

All girls have different views on what is slutty or not ; this is rather objective depending on what they have been told by their parents ( if they had both ) and which society they grew up in .

But what makes the difference between a potential serious girlfriend/wife and a not serious one is the capacity to put the kids and the husband above their career or their own spendings .
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(09-12-2019 03:39 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 02:13 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?

Even today many girls instinctively understand that having too high a notch-count is somehow bad.

But the thing is this - all her environment, media, entertainment, society tells her to be strong independent and that doing porn or having a sugar daddy is great.

Compare it to let's say Europe 1915 or rural USA 1930s :

+ everyone from society to media expects a woman to be virginal at marriage - it's expected
+ entire society and family is watching out for it - if she bangs a dude, then a shotgun wedding is not uncommon with him
+ if she bangs one, then the family in some instances may view her as tainted or she may be even shunned
+ all her girlfriends and sisters are virgins and talk about marriage all the time precisely because they want to bang

Thus such a society is highly different. Even if we assume that our current tech would give women more freedom, then society could have similar expactations and could even list scientific reasons for women to better stay virginal until marriage.

Currently we are just dominated by a bunch of Satanists who want to fuck up stable societies. That there are any virgins left aged 18-22 is frankly more a testimony to female instincts which tell them to wait for Mr Right.

Though as others noted - even if it's a virgin, if she starts believing in the propaganda, then she may be wondering what she missed out and may divorce a guy anyway. The odds simply are against marriage stability.

The Amish for example work because they have their entire eco-system based on that - so do Muslim societies to a great degree.

That's the most depressing post I have read in my years.
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(09-11-2019 10:46 AM)General Mayhem Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 07:50 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 12:05 AM)Roosh Wrote:  If a woman has pre-marital sex, how "good" can she really be? She has zero control over her lusts, just like you. When you stop fornicating, you start to train your eyes to notice a different type of girl.
(09-11-2019 12:58 AM)Tikimalore Wrote:  How do you find a girl which is over 25 with less than 10 different sex partners ? Nearly impossible.

Then it comes down to the eternal question of what is a good notch count for a woman.
3? 4?
The difference between 3 and 10 is time. Her views of sex are already screwed for life with the the first couple hookups. If a girl is not religious, she's already a slut in heart. It's one man against society. Even having parents with intact family won't help a thing anymore.

I would not settle for a non virgin with the intent to spend the rest of the life with her. That was first my foolish intent with this woman, because of her conservative appearance. I knew she was not a virgin as she is an atheist woman in 2019, but I was so stupid to think her self proclaimed "forever single" meant that she had problems finding a suitable, masculine bf from all the beta males. Maybe she's been with a couple dudes in her life, it's only maybe a 3 guys and not from bars, I thought.

Perhaps my opinions will change as years go by and the difficulty becomes a realization, or maybe they won't and I will become the old man here talking about looking unicorns. For now it's no hymen no diamond.

Who here has actually followed the advice that Roosh laid out here for any meaningful period of time?

I don't think you can live like a heathen only looking for women in the worst possible places in the west and still bitch that there aren't any unicorns to be found.

The forum is taking a turn but right now it seems like there is more theory being discussed than anything else. It's going to take some guys actually hitting the ground with these new ideas to see what's possible.

Just like the old game where you had to log a lot of approaches, this new game will require similar discipline and persistence but in a different manner.

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. For guys in our position, I honestly don't know how realistic it is to set our sights immediately on finding virgins. Current state, are we the kind of men who deserve to have them? If you believe in god, do you really think he is going to deliver a virgin just because you had a change of ideology?

Let's be honest about the situation on the ground right now. Like it or not, right now the virgin brides are mostly going to the going to young virgin husbands, highschool sweethearts, etc. Last night my mom told me about her co-worker's daughter getting married at 18 to a guy who she had been with for years in high school.

You can't just decide one day to play the new game and expect virgins anymore than you could just decide to become a playboy and slay 10s in the old game.

One thing I committed to as my relationship with my fiance was ending was that wouldn't let the breakup poison my mind. The last thing I need is to be infected with a doomer mentality.

I'm somewhat older and have neither a player nor a LTR past, but there are some mistakes there (like F+ adultery as a heathen, being the one on the side). This year I was put on trial with a much younger unmarried Christian girl, who made some mistakes herself (like dating a non-believer) and was exploring her options. As a Christian I chose stick to my values this time and not repeat my last mistake.

Now if such a woman recognizes her mistakes and repents, whom does she deserve? A virgin Christian bachelor? And who deserves her?
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(09-12-2019 02:13 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?

Dude no disrespect... but your response is based off a Manosphere 101 script... and not reality. Off course the girl with the LTR will be potentially a better partner... but it's just that: Potential! Due to our culture now... if you want a relationship... you gotta go in the trenches with that person, and gauge how she reacts to current situation.

The point of his post was that "The Script" is dead! Women study the Manosphere like vultures now. The "Pure" chick might really be the cunning cold blooded one... while the "slut" might be a chick who loved/ love to fuck... and when/ if she wants to get serious... she'll tell it to you like it is Point Blank if she wants to continue, or will retire from her LifeStyle

Again most likely the Pure one will be the chill one... but you simply can't tell accurately anymore!
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
For a woman to be in a couple LTRs and have had sex with boyfriends in the past is far more acceptable to me than for one to have gone out and one night standed a bunch of different guys.

To be honest, if she had one ONS that taught her that it doesn't feel good to be used as a physical object, I would even be fine with that.

But to continually make the same mistake and hope that she is going to have a different result is the definition of insanity.

I think that as human beings, we can grow because of our experiences, and as men, it takes going out and sewing oats to realize that it probably isn't the answer we are looking for. But it all goes back to the theory of how easy sex is to come by being a man vs being a woman.

It takes great effort for a man to become good at this, it takes no skill whatsoever for a woman to do the same.

I think it shows that there is a lack of self control in much of society (men and women together) and a complete shunning of the fact that past choices do have consequences. For a woman to give up much of her best years to the nightclub scene, drinking, etc. is a major red flag for me. I am seeing it in a group of 19-22 year olds that I've been acquainted with. In 6 months, the most attractive girl has gained a bunch of weight and has gone from someone I would pursue to undateable in my eyes; but yet she persists.

It doesn't take 30 notches and 5 years of your life to figure it out that this lifestyle isn't fulfilling.

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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
When I talked with her about her ONS and asked why wasn't she in relationships instead she got pretty offended and said that
she is not someone who went to bars to purposefully seek *male genitals*, but in her own words:
Sometimes she met someone who she thought was a good guy but wasn't.

How do you supposedly think you are meeting a different good guy for at least 10 times, and I frankly think that 10 is generous.
It's the same talk again of not taking responsibility and being the seduced one, so no responsibility and shame has to be taken.

Hell, I think even the most hardcore sluts don't actually they are on a mission of seeking male genitals, to rationalize the shame of it a way and because they don't have to - they get laid regardless since men are the ones initiating.
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
I think OP made the right choice. Unfortunately more so for women than men, their past affects them greatly and it is much harder for women to change themselves than for men to. Most women are unable of introspection, let alone change the path caused by their past behaviors. Heck, one can say that they relish in their past mistakes, as it can be used as an excuse for their ongoing slutty behavior or inability to love and trust a man aka "muh Dark Soul", which came because of her inability to vet for the right man.

I trust OP made the right call and saw that her current behavior of not being able to trust men was not going to change. The hardest part is pulling the plug and ending the relationship. Unless your GF was a total B*tch and bad person, it's hard to do so, so I commend you for doing this. Your decision to end the relationship may even be the trigger that causes her to change someday, so in the future, she may be a better a woman for another man.

Now, as far as expecting women being good, we must do our best to create the change necessary within ourselves in order to improve our ability to seek out good women. Hone our sight & mind to better and more efficiently, find and successfully land one. Roosh has given us a great head start on this by encouraging us to take a more religious life (Christian). By living a religious life, one will find it much easier to stop the vices/bad habits that we formed as consequence of the modern world, which in turn, will clear our minds from all this pollution. Examples are quitting porn, not fapping, stop expecting fornication on the first date, heck, stop putting fornication on a pedestal, etc.

I have discovered that once you start putting some of these practices into place, your mind goes through a paradigm shift and you start to see the world in a more clear manner. No longer will you go after that "HB 9-10" that looks like a plastic doll, no longer will you be seeking women who you think are "good in bed", no longer will you seek women who are emotionally unstable, making her easy to have sex with on the first night. Your mind will start looking for women with much better qualities, and seek women with no mental issues. I feel that the biggest problem Men have today is that we have glorified Sex to the point where it has completely clouded our judgement, making us choose "bad" women. Sure, you can try and shift your mind to do this without God/Religion, but as im discovering, through religion, things like Nofap/no porn etc come much much easier, as Roosh said in his talk that I went to few months back. I cant really describe why, but before my return to God, this was extremely hard for me to do, now its almost effortless.

Of course finding a good woman wont be easy, but things that are worth chasing for never comes easy.
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
It’s sadly because women get lonely and have 0 discipline...

Think about it, what do women need to be disciplined about? There are 0-5’s who are worshipped almost as muvh as 10’s. There are women with 20 kids and weigh over 200 pounds that have multiple partners. A man is always prepared to save a woman in debt. Men want to be hero’s (not all) so a woman can be the biggest victim and still find love.

So these women with their lack of discipline, learn early (unfortunately usually age 13-17) that sex feels great, cuddling is beautiful, and waking up to somebody is the best feeling. They get tainted at an early age, receiving things made special with marriage. Now they give this to guy after guy after guy after guy because they’re lonely. My last girl was like this. She had a friend who was a traditional Christian girl who only had sex once and didn’t mind being alone. Now she converted this sweet Christian girl into a potential slut who hates being alone, who NEEDs somebody.

The memes of this new generation shows this. With memes portraying Teens acting like married couples, just to break up and leave a tainted void desperately begging to be filled (phrasing)

The depressing thing is the expectation of men (in terms of quality) has risen. But the selection of women had fallen. Besides looks maybe, these women have NOTHING to offer. Most are nasty, most can’t cook, most don’t WANT kids or only want one (if you’re lucky) and hell the older you get the more single mothers you find.
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Ya know...I've known a lot of guys who think this way.

For the most part it's not working out that great for em and for those it is they didn't follow their own advice when choosing the wife.
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I was going to edit my post and add this vid, but didnt realize there was a time limit. Regardless, here is a video on courtship. Of course to follow these steps AND expect the woman to do so as well would be a very hard to find here in the U.S, but ideally, this is what society should strive for:

https://youtu.be/r1V4w38v2mI
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
(09-12-2019 08:47 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 02:13 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?

Dude no disrespect... but your response is based off a Manosphere 101 script... and not reality. Off course the girl with the LTR will be potentially a better partner... but it's just that: Potential! Due to our culture now... if you want a relationship... you gotta go in the trenches with that person, and gauge how she reacts to current situation.

The point of his post was that "The Script" is dead! Women study the Manosphere like vultures now. The "Pure" chick might really be the cunning cold blooded one... while the "slut" might be a chick who loved/ love to fuck... and when/ if she wants to get serious... she'll tell it to you like it is Point Blank if she wants to continue, or will retire from her LifeStyle

Again most likely the Pure one will be the chill one... but you simply can't tell accurately anymore!

Blue pill garbage.
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
(09-12-2019 06:35 PM)Swordfish1010 Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 08:47 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 02:13 AM)loremipsum Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 03:45 PM)velkrum Wrote:  Men need to look inwards and be honest with themselves.

If you are a low value male it helps to find a virgin who will know nothing else besides YOU and ONLY YOU.

If you are a man of high value (good looks, good health, strong sexual prowess/skill/experience, kind hearted, financially well off, makes good life choices) you can meet women who have had sex with men before you and not have to worry about being cucked or cheated on.

I'm not assuming anything about anyone here on the forum but women who have slept with 10 men ARE NOT damaged goods, not even close !!! Attractive people have more offers for sex, EVERYONE enjoys sex especially when you're young. As you age you begin to see the value in peoples personality and current lifestyle.

Sex is NOT wrong or evil. Sure, no man wants to think about other guys having sex with a woman he has feelings for but human beings are going to behave like human beings...WELCOME to REALITY and PLANET EARTH.

Sex with other men before you doesn't make women bad candidates for a relationship. Their health, attractiveness, character, maturity, current actions, lifestyle and personality are the factors that determine if you should be together or not.

EVERY woman is going to be someones sloppy seconds.

You honestly don't think there's a difference whether a girl has had 20 hookups from bars and not a single LTR, than 2-3 previous long lasting LTRs?
It shows very much about her values, impulsivity and pair bonding.
Not every woman wants to ride the carousel from Tinder or bars, but I guess those girls are for us beta males eh?

Dude no disrespect... but your response is based off a Manosphere 101 script... and not reality. Off course the girl with the LTR will be potentially a better partner... but it's just that: Potential! Due to our culture now... if you want a relationship... you gotta go in the trenches with that person, and gauge how she reacts to current situation.

The point of his post was that "The Script" is dead! Women study the Manosphere like vultures now. The "Pure" chick might really be the cunning cold blooded one... while the "slut" might be a chick who loved/ love to fuck... and when/ if she wants to get serious... she'll tell it to you like it is Point Blank if she wants to continue, or will retire from her LifeStyle

Again most likely the Pure one will be the chill one... but you simply can't tell accurately anymore!

Blue pill garbage.

Well call it Blue pill garbage if you want... I'll simply keep on calling it reality! I went through Red Pill Rage as well... so I don't blame you. All I'm saying is that Women are wising up big time... so on top of checking out usual Red Flags... to make sure these chicks ain't Ruthless regardless of everything else!

Here in the worst city in North American for Men aka Toronto... the "cleanup" is underway! You don't really see an increase in the # of chicks with lots of tattoos, and also not an uptick in really fat chicks. But when it comes to warmth... boy oh boy... it's at an All Time Low! There's a reason why Toronto threads pop up once in a while! These women are COLD! They'll past an awful lot of LTR and visual Red Flags... but they're Ruthless!

Now when I'm ready to retire, and I meet a Super Cool chick that told me she "had some fun" and "got popped when she was 13"...I'll be careful... but I'm not running right away... because if I'm vibing with her current version... and since I got Game... I know I won't be missing any current bad signals.

Now if she decides to bounce... hey it's fine! Now even tough she had "Red Flags"... when she divorces she might be the same chick to simply want you to pay for school books and karate classes as well! And the pure princess... well she might want to keep the lifestyle of a princess!

Now the pure chick will most likely be the cool chick as well... but I was simply stating to not discredit the chick based on her past... and to only discredit based on her current personality with you in the Now!

That's always been an area of the Manosphere that I never got down with! Slut this & tattoo that... while some of the chick being put on pedestals can barely crack a smile & are sum of the coldest chick of all!

But Hey That's Just Me!
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Even though I tend to agree that I ideally wouldn't want to have a partner that slept around a bunch, I cant still really wrap my head around this. This forum is mainly about improving yourself and changing your behaviour in different ways, do you guys just dont think women cant change for the better like the same you can or could? Or is it dependent on what red flags, that you think in some areas girls can change?

Might just be my experience, but most young girls I sleep with seem very experienced when it comes to sex. This typical wife material girl people preach on here seems like a very dying breed, I'm pretty sure even guys have way more sex nowadays compared to 40 years ago. If you look statistics on average sex partners from a few years ago the numbers are just absurdely low. Hence it would make sense to compromise on some of the qualities or requirements people have, and I still think there are far more red flags than a girl having 10 ONS in her life.

I'm not really closing to settling down myself, but thinking of this bothers me sometimes. Interested to hear other opinions.
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RE: Broke up with my gf because of her past
OP you made a decision with your best interests at heart - it was probably the right one. We could write a book on the topics others have raised above, but here are some random thoughts...

1. People do change over time. They can mature and get better, we hope. Their perspective on life can also change. They can also decide they want an LTR after having ‘fun’ for a while.
2. What is an acceptable ‘body count’ for a female, and should it be the same as what is acceptable for a male?
3. The hookup culture has destroyed dating, communication and trust. Girls “don’t wanna talk” or reply to you, because they have 200 new messages today from guys called Chad. It’s become very difficult to compete with the instant dopamine hits they are getting elsewhere.
4. There is a real danger now of ‘good’ men becoming old and staying alone, despite them working hard for many years to achieve material and spiritual success in life, only to be shunned by girls because they don’t have enough posts / followers on social media.
5. Dating 10 years ago was far easier - today, no matter how positive your mindset it has become hugely challenging to find a decent girl. What took months previously, now takes years. And we are all running out of time. Nothing is impossible, but you have to want a good girl bad enough to make the huge investment it now takes to get one.

OP, you have greatness within you. I highly recommend the book ‘Think And Grow Rich’ and also Evan Carmichael’s YouTube channels to encourage a positive mindset and get daily motivation / leadership skills. We all need positive energy daily Smile
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(09-13-2019 06:16 AM)melikey Wrote:  Even though I tend to agree that I ideally wouldn't want to have a partner that slept around a bunch, I cant still really wrap my head around this. This forum is mainly about improving yourself and changing your behaviour in different ways, do you guys just dont think women cant change for the better like the same you can or could? Or is it dependent on what red flags, that you think in some areas girls can change?

Might just be my experience, but most young girls I sleep with seem very experienced when it comes to sex. This typical wife material girl people preach on here seems like a very dying breed, I'm pretty sure even guys have way more sex nowadays compared to 40 years ago. If you look statistics on average sex partners from a few years ago the numbers are just absurdely low. Hence it would make sense to compromise on some of the qualities or requirements people have, and I still think there are far more red flags than a girl having 10 ONS in her life.

I'm not really closing to settling down myself, but thinking of this bothers me sometimes. Interested to hear other opinions.

Naturally, a woman should have more temperance than a man when it comes to sex. I know that the BC pill and other contraceptives have made it hard for women to be so, but even still, a woman having sex with a man and having him blast his seed inside her, is psychologically more significant for her than for the man. In this thread's case, OPs girl had "Ten" (aka 20 since she said 10 to not break OP completely) ONS... so 20 times of dudes blasting inside her, on her etc, she never figured out that PERHAPS sleeping with men the night they meet is a bad thing? Her conclusion after twenty dudes was "oh i cant trust them, it has nothing to do with me"... LOL

Women's feelings for sex and who they let in are MUCH stronger than a man. It's intuitive, Yet they diverge from their feelings because of the propaganda they eat up on a daily basis. Some girls have a ONS or two, and stop completely and just stick to LTR. Although that is still not ideal, it is much more preferred than the bimbo chick who sleeps around a ton, and never listened to her true emotions/gut feeling.

A girl who has learned for her mistakes ONE (or two tops) ONS is salvageable. A girl who had 20+ partners is not. It's that simple. I know, because I tried to rehabilitate a chick with 20+ partners. Long story short, during my mid 20s, after 2 years, even though she sort of wanted to change and keep the LTR going, her vagina said otherwise and she could not shake off the feeling of wanting to screw other men, so I left her before she cheated on me (at least to my knowledge)

As I alluded to my last post with the YT video, Men have to completely change how they go about courtship. No longer can we go after HB9s who look like sluts who would be easy to bed. We have to vet women DEEP within the first month or two, with no sex in that time so that nothing clouds your judgement. If she cannot close her legs for 1 month so that you two can get to know each other better, then shes not for you. that simple. Listen to the video for more information on that topic.
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