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RE: Zyzz: Opinions?
(08-01-2012 01:51 AM)teh_skeeze Wrote:  
(08-01-2012 12:13 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  Please quote where I said steroids are not bad for you.

You just based your entire argument on something I have never said.

And citing info from one extreme steroid abuser does nothing to prove your argument.

"Steroids are looked down upon because society tells us they are bad, not because they actually are."

Looks like you are saying that steroids aren't bad for you. So my argument is based on something you said.

The reason I bring Steve Michalik up is because he was in the documentary "The Man Whose Arms Exploded". The key point that he makes is that once you get off the juice, you lose your gains, and your body has difficulty readjusting to making it's own testosterone again. So you start to feel down because you don't look or feel like you used to. This fuels a vicious cycle that can destroy your body and your life.

If you don't give a shit about yourself 30 years from now, go for it. If it's one thing that Zyzz proves it's that it's better to burn out than to fade away.

I've also had similar lessons passed on to me by men in their 40's and beyond. They all say the same thing: Don't use steriods, don't use growth hormones, don't fuck with your body.

Even though they all used it themselves when young.

Then they tell me horrible stories about guys who die of heart attacks, guys who have medical complications for life, and one insane story of a guy who used a HGH for years and had a heart three times the size of a normal heart.



On the other hand, I know a guy in his 70's who has testosterone injected into him every two weeks because of a deficiency. He's not jacked or anything, but he tells him that it makes him feel alive, young, and full of energy.



Clearly there must be a middle ground. One of the most famous chemists of history made the famous observation:

"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous."

In other words, "The dose makes the poison." Water kills you in a large enough dose.

But, due to the hysteria surrounding steroids, instead of genuine knowledge all we get is superstition and fear. It reminds me of the kind of shit people would execute scientists in the Middle Ages for.


I really wonder if steriods, used in the right quantities, would enhance any man's life?
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Zyzz: Opinions? - Aer - 07-31-2012, 03:20 PM
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