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RE: Libertarian Party discussion
Staunch libertarians are hamstering that just because Johnson isn't Libertarian enough does not mean that you should vote for Trump, who is a "statist".

Let's play Devil's advocate. What are Trump's most statist policies? The one I hate the most is his support of the Patriot Act which Krispe Creme is a big fan of.

He thought TARP was a good idea, but this was much before he was running. Of course it is right that TARP as a much better fix in the short term than what would have happened without it, but it is the very fact that bailouts will happen that screw the utility/risk functions and allow for regular recessions to take place. These recessions keep the bankers solvent because of bailouts and allow them to reap higher returns through speculation in the up years.

On the pro side, he's against exiting NATO, which Ron Paul has been against since atleast the late 80's (I have watched his old speeches).

Trump wants to reform the TSA, and he wants to reform the tax code. These two points are huge in my book. The more he does on these the better.

With regard to border security and illegal immigration, there will be 4th amendment violations with the deportations. But nobody else seems to be proposing a solution! It is a doozy of a problem to solve this and adhere to the letter of the constitution. The only way would be to declare war on Mexico through congress, and deport all Mexicans as foreign agents! Then even legal immigrants would be deported. And the. What about Guatemalans and other nations? What about the Canadian border?

Ron Paul wrote an essay a few days ago about his stance, which has been consistent, that a border is a bad idea because it will eventually be used to keep people IN than out. For example if you have upset the IRS or if you are Brock Turner or if you owe child support/alimony payments. This is a scary and very real possibility. The reason I still respect Ron Paul is because he has legitimate counter arguments.

So this is a good parallel discussion to have. I think that Trump will be much more libertarian than people think, leaving most issues to the states, I certainly hope that he comes around on the Patriot Act. War must be declared on Islam and the Muslim ideology must be put on the same plane as Nazism and Communism to keep out newcomers, but the principle of freedom means that my phones should not be tapped. On the other hand, it will be no worse than what is happening right now.
Thoughts?

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(This post was last modified: 09-07-2016 11:27 AM by Slim Shady.)
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